#indiewebcamp 2014-01-11

2014-01-11 UTC
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tantek.com edited /web_hosting (+991) "added a few more Advantages vs Disadvantages to each section" (view diff)
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tantek ok folks - add yourselves to which web hosting approach you're taking in the respective "IndieWeb community members using this…" subsections: http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting (cc: aaronpk, bear, benwerd, bret, jeena, kevinmarks, snarfed, tommorris, and anyone else that wants to!)
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tantek added himself under " Shared Hosting"
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bear will after this team meeting
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snarfed wonders how mediawiki handles collisions :P
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tommorris tantek: heh, you just mentioned me about 20 seconds after I get ADSL working at my new place
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tantek is optimistic that collisions don't typically occur, probablistically ;)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek :D
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tommorris MediaWiki handles collisions fairly intelligently
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snarfed yeah, i imagine it's common for them
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tommorris.org edited /web_hosting (+80) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */ adding my hosting" (view diff)
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Jeena I can't find "Good friends root server" in the list?!
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tommorris heh
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tommorris friends are the best sysadmins except when drunk
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aaronparecki.com edited /web_hosting (+30) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */" (view diff)
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Jeena haha
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tommorris may be drunk sysadminning now
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tantek tommorris - or especially when they're registrars - ask KevinMarks about losing his domain name about that
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Jeena I got the root password but more often then not I break stuff instead of fixing it ^^
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snarfed.org edited /web_hosting (+105) "snarfed on Pair" (view diff)
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snarfed maybe add which shared host you're on, tantek?
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tantek was just on that - having seen your edit ;)
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snarfed.org edited /web_hosting (+52) "bridgy" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /web_hosting (+14) "/* Platform as Service */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /web_hosting (+49) "Empowering Media" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /web_hosting (+20) "/* Shared Hosting */ using" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /web_hosting (+83) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /web_hosting (+135) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /web_hosting (+596) (view diff)
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werd.io edited /web_hosting (+79) "/* Hosted CMS Software as Service */" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /web_hosting (+71) "/* Dedicated Server */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /web_hosting (+33) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /web_hosting (-1) "no ads is advantage from shared hosting on up" (view diff)
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KevinMarks should I write a 'how to static host on heroku' page?
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bret super interesting conversations today on project scope :)
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bret re the jekyll stuff... definately not for non technical users.... but a great place to learn about creating a website from scratch on some level. I found a strong appreciation for the web and html learning jekyll, and it also massivly provided a reason and goal to learn how to work on the command line. Iirc, xtof is making the jump from wordpress to jekyll lately. And I understand why
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bret ! The appeal of working with 'relativly' simplistic tools over monolithic projects like wordpress is what drives people to things like jekyll. Community support, popularity, lots of examples and free hosting are the other reasons that I can tell
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bret my experience with that certainly made me a whole lot more comfortable jumping into node and begin building my own software to do what I want
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@lucas3d Mon serveur web est dans les choux.. Zut, je voulais travailler sur le rapatriement de ma mailing list. #ownyourdata a ses problème aussi… (twitter.com/_/status/421882538676604928)
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@lucas3d Visiblement mon site reviendra en ligne dans deux heures d'après @SherWeb… #ownyourdata wip …. (twitter.com/_/status/421886851943628800)
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@Liberationtech Welcome to Indie Web: Own your data, publish content on your own site, & only optionally syndicate to 3rd-party silos http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/421911967943909376)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/2014/01/11/Webmentions-Jekyll/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_3 (webmention)
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pdurbin the nice thing about using Jekyll with GithHub Pages is that you don't even need to install any Ruby gems locally. All you need is git to check out your repo and an $EDITOR to make changes before you commit and push
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christopheducamp.com edited /Getting_Started-fr () "(-4367) [fr: sync with original]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com created /permashortlinks-fr (+27) "#redirect [[permalinks-fr]]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com edited /permalinks-fr (+1514) "[fr: sync with original]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com created /permashortcitations-fr (+35) "#redirect [[permashortcitation-fr]]" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/2014/01/11/Webmentions-Jekyll/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/2014/01/11/Webmentions-Jekyll/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_3 (webmention)
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@xtof_fr Happy new year #indiewebcamp Lost in #webmention ! http://indiewebify.me will help on #jekyll (http://christopheducamp.com/2014/01/11/Webmentions-Jekyll/) (twitter.com/_/status/422052592600887297)
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barnabywalters xtof: merci beaucoup!
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xtof @barnaby best wishes. wish I could translate the beginning of inidewebify.me level 1 and hopefully 2 for 2014 !
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barnabywalters xtof: the text on the website? hm, probably the best way of maintaining all of that text is going to be to give it a wiki page, then pull it in from there
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barnabywalters making indiewebify.me effectively an interactive version of the getting started page
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xtof barnabywalters : great idea, just getting started from scratch, I'd be happy to help on [Getting Started-fr] localization
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barnabywalters I need to fix incoming comment ordering on my site, then I’ll take a look at merging in the content on indiewebify.me with Getting Started
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barnabywalters and maybe making a separate orphan page for the various little errors and tips
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snarfed xtof, glad you're working on webmentions! i saw that bridgy sent you one successfully. nice work!
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xtof snarfed merci beaucoup. step by step... still trying to understand and really noob on jekyll...
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@snarfed_org @evanpro sounds like AlphaSSL will if you chat with them: http://t.co/RbPaRW7M9Z . or there are the free options: http://indiewebcamp.com/https (twitter.com/_/status/422067845573259264)
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lucas3d Hi all. Back to irc after many many years...
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barnabywalters greetings lucas3d!
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barnabywalters people who are differentiating between different sorts of mentions (mention, reply, rsvp, like, repost) — what’s your take on multiple types being combined? ever seen it? recommendations for handling it?
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barnabywalters also what’s the consensus on u-like vs u-like-of? idno seems to use u-like, bridgy uses both
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snarfed barnabywalters, good questions
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snarfed i think no consensus on like vs like-of yet, since we don't have enough different people and use cases to reach one
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barnabywalters just fixed mention ordering and looking at storing “type” so I can work on UI
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barnabywalters okay, I’ll accept both for the moment
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snarfed bridgy almost needed like-of specifically, but i think it turned out not to
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snarfed re combining, i think e.g. rsvps are always contained in a reply
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barnabywalters so it looks like when idno sees a RSVP “reply” it only gets added to the RSVP count http://werd.io/2013/indieweb-dinner
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snarfed other combos are probably fine. i doubt there's much conflicting behavior
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barnabywalters and any extra content included with the RSVP is ignored,
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snarfed good point
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snarfed maybe that's a reasonable choice. sites each get to choose how to render.
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barnabywalters p3k is similar, but includes RSVP content if any: http://aaronparecki.com/events/2013/09/22/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast
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barnabywalters http://aaronparecki.com/events/2013/09/30/1/indieweb-dinner-at-21st-amendment
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barnabywalters and *doesn’t* count those as replies
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barnabywalters so it looks like, for UI count purposes, each mention has a single type
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snarfed yeah, maybe there's a rsvp UX best practice here. displaying rsvp counts maybe should only include yeses
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snarfed ah, right
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snarfed all of these will probably turn out to have best practices, but not necessarily requirements
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neuro` Good evening.
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snarfed evening!
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barnabywalters evening neuro`
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neuro` Hi barnabywalters, snarfed
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barnabywalters Facebook splits RSVP counts into yes/no/maybe
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snarfed yeah, that's probably important when you have large enough numbers
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neuro` From the people who organize the event point of view, the maybe is the most stupid option ever.
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neuro` Shall your yes be yes and your no be no.
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barnabywalters neuro`: yeah, it’s a bit of a cop out
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barnabywalters “maybe” is just “I acknowledge that this event exists”
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neuro` On the other hand, it may also mean "I need to check with my wife and find a baby sitter"
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barnabywalters got mention type differentiation and counts working on taproot! e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4TxP8L/
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barnabywalters now for better UI
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aaronpk sweet!
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aaronpk huh I wonder if I could POSSE my SMSs
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aaronpk or rather, treat SMS as a posse destination just like Twitter, etc
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barnabywalters aaronpk: interesting idea — for private messages or public notes?
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aaronpk private messages
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aaronpk actually posse for private messages in general is interesting too
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aaronpk I've been using instagram for private messaging now that they added that
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barnabywalters starting to style different mention types differently: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4TxP8L/ http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4TvPBJ/
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aaronpk and facebook has secret groups down really well, which is a great way to do essentially private messsaging
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barnabywalters aaronpk: obligatory quote about all applications growing until they become email clients…
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aaronpk hah
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aaronpk well isn't the whole point of this to communicate with people?
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barnabywalters I’d amend that to: there are basic, fundamental methods of communication that can apply to almost any scenario, however specialised. UIs which don’t recognise this will be weeded out
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barnabywalters (“that” being the email quote)
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aaronpk i like that better
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aaronpk barnabywalters: you've done some things with carddav, yea?
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi sleep tight!
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snarfed night!
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bret Interesting PESOS implementation: http://dhariri.com/feed/
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bret hey and the first comment in HN is about indieweb! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7043295
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bret way cool
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aaronpk whoa
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bret the author of that site in response to hearing about POSSE "You just blew my mind"
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bret :D
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bret xtof: let me know if you ever have any questions on jekyll or gh-pages.
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xtof bret : thank you very much. still studying github-pages. still motivated around web mentions in jekyll. will come back soon promised ;)
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@AndySylvester99 Test tweet to see if the URL will be shortened by Social. My source for learning about the IndyWeb: #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/422115301870686208)
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christopheducamp.com edited /webmention-fr (+3280) "[fr: draft sync - to be reviewed - studying.]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com created /permashortcitation-fr (+10485) "[fr : first draft translation]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com created /Bridgy-fr (+1513) "[fr:first draft translation]" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /web_hosting (+171) "added UK and DE resources" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /web_hosting (+39) "added UK and DE resources" (view diff)
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@benwerd A quick video demo of #indieweb replies, events and RSVPs, brid.gy, and the Firefox Social API: http://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/422135899007094784)
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@bear RT @benwerd: A quick video demo of #indieweb replies, events and RSVPs, brid.gy, and the Firefox Social API: http://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/422137749454737408)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z13ojriyaqrrxtafu23utb0bjlfjft5fq/103651231634018158746 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/11/rebooting-my-weblog/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/11/rebooting-my-weblog/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)