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# 17:29 aaronpk !tell barnabywalters whoa nice work with indieweb/rel-me! # 17:29 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next icco joined the channel
# 17:42 jonnybarnes is an IRC bouncer how people seem to be able to stay online forever? # 17:43 aaronpk the bouncer remains connected and you point your IRC client to the bouncer # 17:43 aaronpk bouncers can also re-play logs so you can catch up with things you missed when you were away icco joined the channel
# 17:50 aaronpk hm I should port barnaby's rel-me to Ruby, then use it in indieauth.com! # 18:04 bear aaronpk - I was thinking of doing the same but to python icco and barnabywalters joined the channel
# 18:09 Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 39 minutes ago: whoa nice work with indieweb/rel-me! # 18:10 barnabywalters we should have a look at getting some sort of cross-platform test suite working # 18:11 barnabywalters there’s the beginnings of one in the repo, as well as the usual phpunit tests icco joined the channel
# 18:34 aaronpk yeah was thinking about that again (cross-platform test suite) # 18:34 aaronpk I don't want to port it to Ruby until we get something like that set up bnvk joined the channel
# 18:35 bear is the redirect issue critical when establishing rel-me chain? or is it ok if they both end up at the same final url? # 18:35 bear sorry - reading the relme php code and trying to map it to what I have in my python indieweb tool # 18:36 bnvk bear: you have some IndieWeb python code? # 18:36 aaronpk omg barnabywalters you wrote the test suite in microformats?! # 18:36 bear bnvk - I have code that i'm using to implement my static site - yes # 18:37 bear it's starting to - I am adding each piece as I need it icco joined the channel
# 18:37 bear all of it so far - it's in flux mostly because as I learn and use, refactoring happens # 18:38 bnvk I wanna add IndieWeb contact updating to Mailpile # 18:40 bear I'm also very open to adding people to the repo so it can improve by being worked on by others # 18:41 bnvk I'm not quite good enough at python to give feedback on others code, but will try to get some help on integrating some of it maybe :) # 18:43 bear if you use it and find yourself asking questions… that is feedback and very helpful # 18:44 bear even a conversation that is only "hey, why did you do *this*" is very useful as it can either go into a FAQ or it can lead to better docs # 18:45 bnvk bear: so looks like there is no methods specifically for getting hCards, right? # 18:49 bear right - it's very new, I haven't needed that so haven't added it brianloveswords joined the channel
# 18:56 bear bnvk - the one question that has been open in my mind is to find any mf2 parsers in python and see if they can work and be assimilated or if I need to shave that yak # 18:57 bnvk bear: yeaaaah... that is ideal, I feel like someone mentioned a partially developed one at some point- i'll ask Barnaby as I think he told me about it # 18:57 bear would love to hear your thoughts on that for sure # 18:57 bear i would rather help an existing open source project than create yet another one # 18:58 bnvk KartikPrabhu: yah, that's the one I was thinking of # 19:00 bear if it solves the issue and then we can help… :) # 19:00 bear nothing wrong with a small collection of distint tools # 19:01 bnvk tommorris: are you in London most of the work weeks? KartikPrabhu and Acidnerd joined the channel
# 19:04 bnvk Speaking of Barnaby, I probably should go back sure he's not standing on my street corner in the freezing cold dvirsky and bnvk joined the channel
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# 20:10 bear ok, i'm chewing on rel=me and I have read the rel=me microformats page but I have a question about verification - is it verified if a silo's rel=me url is contained within what the person's identity page has listed? # 20:10 bear my question is how do I know that the profile identity page is canonical for the user (or is that out of scope) # 20:11 aaronpk e.g. if I enter "aaronparecki.com", you can assume it is canonical # 20:11 bear that is what I was thinking - this function just answers the question of "are the two rel-me's linked" and not the question of if you should trust it # 20:13 bear (well perfect in that it's a great test to add to the list) # 20:13 aaronpk yes it's a great example of why you have to trust the user-entered URL rather than trying to be "smart" about it # 20:14 bear as an ops guy with security tendancies, I tend to worry/think about MITM # 20:14 bear so verifying the redirect chain was bothering me # 20:14 aaronpk yeah, I'd like to get your take on the issue around http -> https and https -> http redirects # 20:15 bear yea, I have been tending to normalize and ignore the http/https difference # 20:16 bear but I really would like to safely ignore it by knowing that http -> https was a true redirect from the same server # 20:16 bear I would also like to treat https -> http as an inferior redirect and grade it some how # 20:17 bear but to know for sure we would start having to verify the cert chain for a server that is behind https # 20:17 bear which also then deals with DNS trust issues # 20:18 bear yea, DNSSEC and DANE and all that … *nightmares* pasevin, LauraJ, schalkneethling, netweb, snarfed, icco, KartikPrabhu, squeakytoy, AmyMac and lukebrooker joined the channel
# 23:18 snarfed bear, just fyi i'm doing indieweb stuff in python too, e.g. the bridgy codebase # 23:18 snarfed haven't done mf2 parsing yet, but plenty of generating it, sending webmentions, etc # 23:20 bear ah - what i've done so far is kinda what you have with webmention-tools # 23:20 snarfed that's vrypan's, i've just been sending pull requests # 23:21 bear I have a small lib that has webmention helpers, relme helpers and some examples that are standalone to hand inbound and outbound mentions # 23:21 bear very cool to see another implementation's code icco, lukebrooker, tilgovi, fmarier and smus joined the channel
@zencrayon Working on setting up IndieAuth today. This is cool stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/422168001106804738)
@BarnabyWalters First #indieweb package derived from indiewebify.me code: indieweb/rel-me for consuming the rel-me… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U2GNT/ (twitter.com/_/status/422403210499080192)
waterpigs.co.uk edited /rel-me (+407) "added implementations section with indieweb/rel-me and relparser.rb" (view diff)
jonnybarnes it looks very good
aaronpk unrelated: al3x put together a very nice package of open source apps that can be installed to mostly replace any reliance on google! https://github.com/al3x/sovereign
@stefek99 Looking @unhosted #offlinefirst personal wiki... Ideally with Dropbox integration. Research phase now. Any hints? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/422430095794397184)
barnabywalters thanks aaronpk
@jontangerine Catching up, talking #indieweb (@ The Pipe & Slippers) http:///login?continue=%2Fjontangerine%2Fcheckin%2F52d2e45f498e2252be89bbcb (twitter.com/_/status/422440906558820352)
KartikPrabhu bear, bnvk: there is one by tommorris http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py
