#indiewebcamp 2013-08-16

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@rgaidot Meet the Hackers Who Want to Jailbreak the Internet http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368160514968260610)
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shaners for those that missed it, tantek was interviewed about #indieweb stuff by Google Developers Live on YouTube back in June
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shaners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0AA6gVRSI
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tantek thanks shaners!
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shaners :thumbsup:
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tantek makes me wonder, do we have a media / video or interviews page on the wiki for this kind of thing?
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twoshot_ saw this place on flipboard
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tantek In case people want to watch videos about the indieweb?
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twoshot_ sounds really cool
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shaners to the wiki!
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tantek welcome twoshot!
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twoshot_ thank you :)
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shaners hello twoshot_ ! welcome.
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twoshot_ thanks shanerr
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twoshot_ shaners*
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tantek we have a bunch of cool screencasts / animated gifs too from aaronpk, barnabywalters, and benwerd showing indieweb awesomeness
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twoshot_ cool, where can i find those
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tantek twoshot - exactly the problem we're trying to solve :)
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twoshot_ oh haha
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tantek well let's see we have a page on Posts about the indie web
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tantek so ...
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shaners twoshot_: let's start at the beginning. what's your personal URL?
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twoshot_ i don't have one
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twoshot_ fresh out of college
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tantek what brought you here?
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twoshot_ flipboard
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shaners twoshot_ you saw the wired article?
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twoshot_ i stayed away from web for a very long time, sticking to desktop applications. i'm driven by utility, and i didn't have any use for the web. now i'm very interested in learning web better
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twoshot_ i guess the wired article was linked to on flipboard shaners
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shaners ok. that's your #indieweb step one. get a domain.
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tantek do you use the web to communicate with friends?
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twoshot_ yeah, fb and gtalk and whatnot
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twoshot_ shaners, i'll work on it
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shaners the indieweb is about publishing your content on your own site first.
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tantek twoshot - why and how do you use FB?
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shaners for example: blog posts, photos, videos, events, bookmarks, etc
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twoshot_ i don't use it much. i get on and like a few posts every once in a while. mostly i just chat with people
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twoshot_ shaners, and then what
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shaners and then: you can *syndicate* copies off elsewhere (if you wanted to), like Facebook, twitter, etc
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shaners you can also, comment or reply to other #indieweb sites directly from yours, instead of replying on twitter/facebook
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shaners you can start to use your URL as your identity. either as just a short way to say "here, find me online at [your domain].com" and also to login to things (like the indiewebcamp wiki)
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twoshot_ good stuff
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shaners then from there, it's whatever you want. you get to decide how to live your life. :D
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twoshot_ haha that's good
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josephg woohoo - I just (finally) got ssl certificates for josephg.com
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josephg ... more out of principle than anything
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josephg (https://josephg.com is up, and using ECDHE)
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josephg should put a redirect from the http site
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tantek josephg - wow - congrats!
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josephg heh - baby steps.
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tantek SSL is a huge step
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tantek.com edited /posts (+57) "add video as a prospective post type" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+32) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /video (+587) "stub a page about video" (view diff)
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shaners josephg: rad! site-wide https is on my list for my site too.
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josephg I got a free SSL cert from startssl and I'm running stud in front of my varnish instance (which is on port 80)
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josephg the hard parts were figuring out how to make the right .pem file for stud (turns out I just needed to cat together all the certificate files I had)
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josephg ... and the ubuntu stud package is horribly out of date and the configuration is terrible
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josephg ... so I just built it from source
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tantek.com created /User:Onebigfluke.com (+76) "stub with an h-card" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /videos_about_the_indieweb (+596) "stub with a couple of videos" (view diff)
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tantek twoshot - re: "where can I find those" - we have a page now : http://indiewebcamp.com/videos_about_the_indieweb :)
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tantek just added two there to start with (benwerd, me, brett slatkin)
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twoshot_ thanks tantek
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tantek !tell aaronpk, barnabywalters please add your demo/screenshot videos to the new videos about the indieweb page! http://indiewebcamp.com/videos_about_the_indieweb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Evangenieur RT @rgaidot: Meet the Hackers Who Want to Jailbreak the Internet http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368193940325142528)
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twoshot_ yep that's the article i saw. flipboard linked to it
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tantek twoshot - cool. if that kind of thing interests you - about the indieweb in general, where did it come from - more of that in the video interview I did with Brett Slatkin:
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tantek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0AA6gVRSI
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tantek aaronpk, tommorris - finally captured what I think you guys were talking about yesterday (or was it the day before?) on private posts: http://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts (please edit/add/update as necessary)
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tantek.com edited /SharingWithCircles (+132) "out of date - see private posts" (view diff)
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fu9ar congrats on the wired press, you fabulous freaks!
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tantek thanks fu9ar and welcome!
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twoshot_ awesome tantek. i'll check it out
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fu9ar i've been idling for a while, since osbridge, but haven't made any time past our chat there, yet.
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fu9ar congrats again, and i'll try to get caught up to speed.
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tantek fu9ar - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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fu9ar i'll get on that when i get back to my full terminal. i'm on my phone at the moment and the edit link doesn't seem to show up :)
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aaronpk wont' show up until you're logged in :)
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 21 minutes ago: barnabywalters please add your demo/screenshot videos to the new videos about the indieweb page! http://indiewebcamp.com/videos_about_the_indieweb
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tantek aaronpk, nudge: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/#Login_from_any_page :)
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aaronpk it's at the bottom of every page!
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+8) "/* Projects */ linky linky" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - too unobvious - hence that request is to put a link in the top right corner of every page - as the home does
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aaronpk hmm
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tantek looks for a UI pattern references that shows that login links go in the top left (like EVERY site has pretty much ;) ) and can't find any such UI pattern reference because web search still sucks
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tantek er, top right
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tantek and with that time to step away from the keyboard :)
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fu9ar aaronpk: oooohhhhh :)
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@ecovenice Meet the hackers who want to jailbreak the internet, eliminating vendor lock-in #indieweb #openid #camlistore http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/?utm_content=buffer5faac&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer (twitter.com/_/status/368219098347761664)
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rknLA howdy
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rknLA is there a [semi]standard api design/app for posting tweet-length messages to personal sites for syndication?
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rknLA i.e. tweetbot convenience that posts to an endpoint that i own?
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cweiske so you tweet on twitter, the bot posts that on your homepage?
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rknLA cweiske: other way around. you post to your homepage through xApp and your server does its syndication thing.
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cweiske many people here do that
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rknLA cweiske: right, but from what app?
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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rknLA shaners showed me the trick where you can change the API endpoint for Twitter's iOS app, but is that the API "standard" that folks are using?
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cweiske so you want to a) use an existing twitter client to post to your homepage
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cweiske and then b) copy that tweet to twitter
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rknLA effectively, yes. i don't really care whether it's a twitter client or a client for some other app, but that's the gist.
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rknLA i am particularly interested in using an existing app so that i don't have to write my own or write my own webapp
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cweiske then the most easy way would probably be using a self-hosted identi.ca instance
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cweiske it's like open-source twitter, and it probably is supported by some clients
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cweiske err, status.net it's called nowadays: http://status.net/
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cweiske IIRC, it has a twitter bridge
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rknLA cool. looking into that now. thanks!!
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shaners !tell tantek: i feel like login links are always top right, not top left.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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rknLA shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 3 karma
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rknLA also hello.
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shaners rknLA: hey! nice to see you in here. welcome.
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rknLA thanks!
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shaners rknLA: what brought you here?
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rknLA actually, tantek somehow wound up accidentally mentioning something in #thisismyjam,
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rknLA so i started poking around #microformats, and found my way over here.
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rknLA s/poking/lurking
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Loqi rknLA meant to say: so i started lurking around #microformats, and found my way over here.
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shaners ah. grool.
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rknLA asked this while you were out. sorry for everyone who already saw it, >> is there a [semi]standard api design/app for posting tweet-length messages to personal sites for syndication?
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rknLA cweiske pointed me at status.net
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rknLA do you have any other thoughts?
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shaners rknLA: your domain is great because it's also a short URL
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rknLA :)
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shaners well, you've already got rel-me on your GH link on your homepage. which means you're able to login to http://indiewebcamp.com using your url.
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rknLA yeah, i started poking around with that after yxyy
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shaners you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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Loqi yea!
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shaners oh Loqi. you minx.
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rknLA i should probably file an issue or submit a pull request, but i ran into an indieauth issue when the domain was a redirect to rknla.github.io
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rknLA i was surprised to see loqi here and in #microformats,
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Loqi fo sho
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rknLA though i guess not too surprised,
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rknLA loqi and i know each other from #geoloqi
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Loqi yeah!
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shaners rknLA: you should def file an issue against aaronpk/indieauth
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shaners i think aaronpk is aware of that issue already though. we talked about this when i was in pdx.
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shaners but can't hurt to file it.
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Loqi tantek: shaners left you a message 8 minutes ago: i feel like login links are always top right, not top left.
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rknLA shaners: gotcha
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tantek shaners - yes of course. that's why I decided it was time for me to step back. :)
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shaners ah
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tantek hence the "er, top right"
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shaners ah jeez. i glazed right over that. :/
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shaners maybe *I* need to back away from the keyboard. :D
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shaners rknLA: next moves for your site: you can add an h-card to your homepage. you already have the right content there. just need some classes on some things.
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rknLA i need to read up on hcards,
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rknLA and also actually make a homepage.. that template/content is so old
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shaners http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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rknLA shaners: do you just scan this by viewing source, or do you have tooling?
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shaners it'll just take you a few minutes to add the hcardy bits. you don't have to you do the Grand Rewrite™ to add it. ;)
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shaners both
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shaners view source > <command> F > "card" : 0 found
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shaners see also: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frkn.la
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rkn.la edited /IRC_People (+48) "add rknLA" (view diff)
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shaners boom
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rknLA ooh neat.
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rknLA is pin13 just a set of random tools that aaronpk made?
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shaners yep
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rknLA oldschool webring
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shaners are you a ruby dev, php, … ?
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rknLA py/django at work.
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rknLA former ruby/rails, funtimes in node now.
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rknLA (also obj-c at work and for fun)
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shaners http://microformat2-node.jit.su
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rknLA nice.
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rknLA rkn.la is static atm
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shaners https://github.com/G5/microformats2 : rubygem
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shaners bret is building bret.io all on GH pages so far
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shaners static doesn't preclude one from doing an #indieweb site. ;)
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cweiske tantek, http://tantek.com/relmeauth/ doesn't like my rel=me link to https://github.com/cweiske/ - "None of your providers are supported"
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rknLA indeed. i just copied the files that github compiled over to my own server to get around that redirect issue.
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shaners cweiske: what's your domain?
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rknLA bret.io looks pretty thorough
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cweiske cweiske.de
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cweiske maybe it's the slash at the end
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rknLA i have mine in an <a
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rknLA does it work in a <link ?
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shaners i think tantek's relmeauth site is a little out of date. link[rel-me] was a recent decision.
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shaners indieauth.com might be supporting it.
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cweiske I don't want to have an <a> link to github on my homepage
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cweiske this is why I chose <link> in the head
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rknLA seems like a reasonable choice!
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cweiske indieauth.com does not support <link>
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cweiske only <a>
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cweiske there's an unfixed issue open
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shaners i think link support is coming. it's a very recent decision.
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tantek cweiske, shaners, sorrym my relmeauth test deployment is still broken since Twitter's OAuth/API update :(
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cweiske I only wondered why it doesn't like my github link
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cweiske that shouldn't have to do with twitter
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shaners cweiske: if it's just an appearance thing, you can temporarily use an a[rel-me] with a style="display:none"
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shaners which will hide it to human eyes, but not google crawlers
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tantek cweiske - yeah, I think folks are leaning towards supporting <link rel=me>
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cweiske tantek, I changed the github link and removed the /, but it still doesn't like it
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cweiske None of your providers are supported. Tried https://github.com/cweiske.
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tantek cweiske - I don't know of any <link rel=me> support *yet*
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cweiske tantek, but your relmeauth demo apparently finds the github link
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cweiske ah. it does not like the https
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cweiske with http, I get further:
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cweiske Was expecting a 200 and instead got a 301 Was expecting a 200 and instead got a 301 None of your providers are supported. Tried http://github.com/cweiske
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rknLA oh shit, G5/microformats2 is you gys
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rknLA *guys,
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tantek sorry - cweiske - yeah it needs some updates :(
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rknLA slash gals
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tantek hey rknLA - welcome!
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rknLA tantek: thanks!
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rknLA (slash mostly jlsuttles)
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tantek rknLA - nice clean home page design
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tantek would be great with some h-card!
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rknLA tantek: -stole- borrowed it from github!
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rknLA yeah, shaners mentioned that.
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tantek yeah? if the one you got it from on github is also about a person, we could submit pull requests to add h-card upstream
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shaners rknLA: yes. the G5 mf2 gem, i started and then jlsuttles really built the most of it.
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rknLA tantek: it's a template they provide automatically for gh-pages..
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rknLA https://github.com/orderedlist/minimal
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rknLA looks like the parts i'm using for h-card style things are not explicitly for those things?
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rknLA https://github.com/orderedlist/minimal/
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rknLA err... https://github.com/orderedlist/minimal/blob/master/index.html#L17-L26
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cweiske did the indieauth supports here ever thought about the issue that all implementations always need to support all the services that are currently hip? when github dies tomorrow, applications become broken when shipping their own indieauth implementation.
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Loqi SUPPORT ALL THE SERVICES http://loqi.me/7o8
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rknLA cweiske: i have been wondering similar things related to verification vs. validation.
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rknLA i'm assuming indieauth does validation based on cookies, otherwise there's only verification?
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cweiske there is no continuity. when I use openid, I can be sure that if I have my openid provider still running in 20 years, I can log in to my legacy app that uses openid log
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cweiske in
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tantek cweiske - indeed it is a challenge for relmeauth providers
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cweiske with indieauth, it may be that I can't log in because the supported providers have long gone
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tantek cweiske - no - it is the same (worse problem) with openid
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cweiske tantek, explain
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tantek supported provided can go away in *either* case
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tantek whether oauth provider, or openid provider
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tantek same difference
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cweiske tantek, no
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tantek EXCEPT
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cweiske I can host my own openid provider
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cweiske all openid providers speak the same protocol
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tantek relmeauth - it is MUCH easier to setup multiple providers
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tantek and change any time you want
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tantek whereas with an openid provider - too hard to setup fallback
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tantek multiple providers, XRDS nonsense
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cweiske my webapp only supports a handful of providers. so if they go down, and I can't get updates to my webapp to support new providers, i'm lost
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tantek cweiske - yes we need to add self-hosted OAuth discovery to relmeauth - that's for sure
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tantek so you can be your own OAuth provider
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tantek also - indieauth takes this a step further
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tantek and let's you *pick* which indieauth provider you want to use
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tantek so as long as webapps support distributed indieauth - it will work fine - all you have to do is switch your indieauth provider
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cweiske tantek, still - every app that brings its own indieauth implementation is limited to a number of providers
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cweiske tantek, it's not "indie" if you have to rely on indieauth.com
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tantek cweiske that's right. the indieauth protocol fixes that bottleneck
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tantek http://spec.indieauth.com/
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tantek (that's fairly new - just written up last week)
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@dellasm RT @james_minter: RT @K8_Halina Write. Rewrite. When not writing or rewriting, read. I know of no shortcuts. #FavQuotes #Writing #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/368264942656700417)
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cweiske so I can say which indieauth server I want to login with?
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rknLA huh. i have my contact info split across a couple of elements on my site.. double h-card?
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tantek rknLA - make the whole page one h-card
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tantek <body class="h-card">
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rknLA that thought crossed my mind...
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rknLA seemed like a bit of a hack..
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tantek because after all - the page does represent you
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tantek so it makes sense to mark it up as such from the body down
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tantek not a hack at all
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rknLA http://mediaonmars.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/head.jpg
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tantek heh
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tantek goodnight all. time for sleeps.
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Loqi ciao
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rknLA g'night!
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neuro` Hello
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shaners i'm out too. Goodnight, Loqi! I'll miss you the most.
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@rknLA baby #indieweb steps: i added an h-card to rkn.la http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frkn.la (twitter.com/_/status/368269072527421440)
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rknLA i guess i should've expected that..
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xrchz trying to log in to indiewbcamp.com, it seems to be taking forever saying 'Finding rel="me" links on http://xrchz.net'
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cweiske try` https
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neuro` It may have a hard time either accessing the site (no problem from me) or parsing the rather simple html.
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xrchz i did try putting in https and that was stripped off
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cweiske haha
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cweiske maybe endless loop
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cweiske http -> https redirect -> strip off s -> http -> redirect
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cweiske :)
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xrchz yeah that seems likely
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xrchz so it seems indiewebcamp redirected to indieauth.com to do the login
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xrchz what is broken here? the implementation on indieauth.com, or the protocol?
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cweiske indieauth.com implementation
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cweiske please file an issue on github
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rknLA xrchz: in my experience, indie auth has a bug with redirects, and curling your domain responds with a 301 Moved Permanently
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rknLA cweiske xrchz: i already filed this a little bit ago. https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/25
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xrchz rknLA: cheers
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rknLA oh, yeah. derp. i didn't read the redirect url.
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rknLA probably worth noting that in the same issue or a new one.. not sure if they're caused by the same thing, but they sound related.
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cweiske the stripping-s-from-https issue sounds differently
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cweiske s/ly//
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: the stripping-s-from-https issue sounds different
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rknLA stripping the s sounds different, not adding it back in sounds similar.
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rknLA ;)
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rknLA anyways, i'm also tired and going to knock out. goodnight
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Loqi sweet dreams
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mapkyca morning folk :)
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neuro` Hi mapkyca
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neuro` Just implemented in reply to context on Publify \o/ http://t37.net/st/30809-keltounet-il-n-envoie-que-le-lien-vers-l-article-la-je-recois-un-mobi-du-jour-av
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barnabywalters neuro`++
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@0vigia G+: http://indiewebcamp.com/ http://camlistore.org/ https://plus.google.com/104707914502304652469/posts/TmHAX66TA3K (twitter.com/_/status/368327325621825536)
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barnabywalters good grief, 72 members?!
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xrchz barnabywalters: there was a message to freedombox mailing list recently mentioning indieweb
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neuro` barnabywalters: there was also the Wired article that made the top of HN yesterday
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pfefferle :)
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jontyw Yeah, the wired article reminded me of indieweb last night, then I discovered the UK meet is happening after dConstruct
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tommorris HN comments mostly missed the point.
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jontyw I didn't bother to read them
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barnabywalters hasn’t looked at the HN comments — are they worth it?
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tommorris No
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tommorris Comments bad. Hacker News comments doubleplusbad
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barnabywalters okay, ignoring
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barnabywalters on the plus side, I went to a mozilla meeting yesterday and one of the guys there had heard of IWC from their work mailing list recently (he works at a free software foundation type organisation)
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barnabywalters and was interested in indieauth and attending
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tommorris nice
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aral Just a heads up: 4PM-6PM on the first day of Indie Web Camp UK, we’re going to be screening Terms & Conditions May Apply — a new documentary that could help regular people understand the issues. (Got the rights to publicly display it so will probably be one of the first, if not he first, public screening in the UK) — http://tacma.org
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tommorris awesome, aral
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tommorris wish I could be there
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aral Actually, scratch that URL, it’s http://tacma.net
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barnabywalters oh great
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aral Tell your non”geeky friends too (we have capacity for 30). As I’d like non”über”geeks to be able to sign up, I’ll put the sign-up on Tito or something over the weekend or on Monday.
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aral Wish you could be there too, Tom :)
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neuro` barnabywalters: HN comments are to discussion what KFC is to food.
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vbmithr Hop
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@INVISPIDE #usermedia - How to set up web sign-in on your own domain - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368382475313381376)
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@domenicoperri RT @INTERSCOOBS: RT @INVISPIDE: #usermedia - How to set up web sign-in on your own domain - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368382826150133761)
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@EMETECHLONDON RT @INVISPIDE: #usermedia - How to set up web sign-in on your own domain - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368383438136811520)
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jihaisse hello
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neuro` Hi jihaisse, tantek
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jihaisse neuro`: great article about feed burner ;)
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neuro` jihaisse: thank you. It's an extended version of what I documented at http://indiewebcamp.com/FeedBurner#Leaving_Feedburner
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jihaisse ok
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jihaisse is somebody can explain me what pump.io is for ?
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jihaisse I've read the doc, but ...
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@_manZzup_ i dont need a about me page seriosly it makes sense i need my own page #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/368390800205295616)
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@_manZzup_ @aaronpk heyyy im interested in the #indieweb but juz saw it so for starters is it alryt to use a subdomain to login using indieauth? (twitter.com/_/status/368391687741001728)
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tantek neuro` - well done with reply-context!
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tantek add a link and screenshot to the end of this section: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek having another multi-reply challenge
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tantek sigh
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tantek welcome aral!
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tantek and gjones!
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aral Hey Tantek :)
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aral Looking forward to seeing you soon in Brighton.
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aaronpk rknLA: hey I think the redirect issue you are talking about is fixed now
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gjones hi tantek, working on what I hope will be some interest stuff around data ownership - should be read to show at the brighton event
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@eyepopeyepop Belle initiative. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/368398406060089344)
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@brixen IndieWebCamp gets a write-up in Wired http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/368418438290481152)
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@janukevic RT @brixen: IndieWebCamp gets a write-up in Wired http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/368418877057015808)
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rknLA aaronpk: cool, know offhand around when that happened? i ran into the issue shortly after yxyy, but have since changed my DNS from redirecting
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aaronpk a couple weeks ago
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benwerd aaronpk: was at a talk last night where a very familiar geolocation-over-four-years slide turned up
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aaronpk orly?
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aaronpk who was it?
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tantek photo?
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aaronpk or wait, do you mean they used my image?
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benwerd they used your image. these folks: http://meshu.io/
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aaronpk oh! yeah cool, i've talked to them a bit
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benwerd took a (not great) photo, will upload now
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benwerd actually, the photo didn't come out at all.
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benwerd was fun to see though.
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neuro` tantek: thank you. Finally made it storing the whole tweet so we can reuse the leftover information someday.
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benwerd (also, nice idea they have.)
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aaronpk hm this is a good use case for storing all my tweets as emails so I can quickly find my twitter conversation with them
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tantek aaronpk - why not just search on your own site?
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neuro` Now finishing the RT integration, Microformats on default theme, and I'll start implementing Web mentions
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aaronpk cause search is hard :(
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aaronpk also i don't remember if it was a public convo or DMs
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conzeit Hello all....you're talking way over my head
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tantek neuro` are you implementing POSSE of RT? i.e. http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Reposts_of_Tweets
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conzeit anybody got time to give a little advice to a newb?
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tantek benwerd - did you ask them if they do non-Mercator projections? ;)
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benwerd tantek - I did not, but now I wish I had ;)
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benwerd actually, that combination makes me wonder about personal map projections - distort the world according to your past experiences
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neuro` tantek: native RT on Twitter + display of the original tweet the way I display reply to context on my own site.
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tantek welcome conzeit!
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benwerd maybe a little too far along on the narcissism scale, to actually distort the world
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tantek how did you find us?
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aaronpk benwerd: I've been wanting to make a "personal projection" map for a long time
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neuro` tantek: waiting for my co maintainers for some insigths of the best way to implement the indie web site to indie web site on our existing code
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tantek benwerd - I'd ask for a globe extrusion.
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tantek no projection necessary
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aaronpk benwerd: no, not narcissistic, that's how people actually think about the world, in terms of their own experience
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benwerd aaronpk: you are absolutely right. I was being flippant (again) - I'd really love to see that
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benwerd similarly, for a long time I've wanted an atlas designed to be written all over, like a notebook
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tantek conzeit - feel free to ask away - one of us will hopefully answer :)
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shaners mumble the map is not the territory mumble
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tantek aaronpk - yes, search is hard - which is why I'm still using Google as my search provider on my site.
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tantek shaners - it's not a map, it's using coordinates. math, geometry, no big :)
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tantek neuro` I'm not sure what you mean by " display of the original tweet the way I display reply to context on my own site" for something that is a retweet. sounds confusing.
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tantek I think the way sandeepshetty displays reposts is quite clear.
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tantek more here: http://indiewebcamp.com/reposts
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neuro` tantek: I think I have 2 ways doing it:
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tantek more experimentation welcome of course
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neuro` 1. use the old style RT on my site + push a RT on Twitter
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tantek as indie reposts/retweets are still a very new area
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tantek I like sandeep's blockquotes.
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neuro` 2. display the original post like it appears on my Twitter timeline on my site + push a RT on Twitter
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tantek both sound like interesting approaches
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tantek perhaps post some mockups?
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tantek (i.e. to the brainstorming section on the repost page on the wiki)
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neuro` OK, let me code something, I'll be back in a few hours :)
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neuro` Oh, mockups, yeah, will be faster indeed
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tantek I mean, feel free to whatever is faster for you :)
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tantek but if you're looking for visual feedback, mockups welcome :)
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@TiqChapa108 http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (twitter.com/_/status/368430745959669760)
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neuro` tantek: option 1 : classic RT, I'm quoting the tweet. http://t37.net/files/resource/1239/Capture_d__cran_2013-08-16___20.07.43.png Option 2 : original message in a blockquote http://t37.net/files/resource/1240/Capture_d__cran_2013-08-16___20.07.33.png
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neuro` This to display a RT on my site after Pushing it to Twitter
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neuro` Maybe I'll use the second one and display quotes of an indie web site post the same way
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conzeit alright sorry I wasnt expecting any response so I ilded
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conzeit ok, I've got some experience with linux and whatnot, but I'm an artist and I've never really set up a server or anything.....is it necesary for me to set up a server to have an indeweb ident?
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tantek conzeit - there are plenty of non-server-setup options.
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tantek take a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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tantek neuro` - looking ...
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tantek the 2nd one looks much more like a quote/retweet of someone else's content rather than your own - so I think it more accurately shows what is going on
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tantek http://t37.net/files/resource/1240/Capture_d__cran_2013-08-16___20.07.33.png
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tantek pretty slick
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tantek I like the way you incorporated both the date-time of the original post and the date-time of your retweet
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tantek (except I'd use ISO 8601 dates of course ;) )
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conzeit it seems the best way short of having an actual server is paying for a hosting service, right?
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tantek yes - that's what most of us do
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tantek a simple shared virtual host is sufficient - that's what I personally have for example.
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conzeit what is that, something like lamp?
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Loqi that is quite the teaser
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tantek conzeit - typical hosting setups provide a LAMP stack yes.
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tantek the key is Apache (or similar)
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tantek for the web server
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conzeit ok
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tantek the "MP" part of LAMP is not so essential
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conzeit I think you're talking over my head again :p
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conzeit you're suggesting requirements for the hosting service right?
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conzeit I've done some looking into this sort of option since watching eben moglen speeches, and I found about LAMP. I thought it was just a simple service to run a host on your own computer
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conzeit desktop, usually non server computer
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barnabywalters conzeit: LAMP refers to a “stack” of related bits of software working together to serve a web app
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barnabywalters most of the time it refers to Linux (the operating system), Apache (the web server), MySQL or any other database/storage system for putting data in, and PHP or Python (programming languages in which you write web apps) and
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conzeit I see
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neuro` tantek: I'll go that way yes. Will reuse this schema for every citation related content http://t37.net/files/resource/1240/Capture_d__cran_2013-08-16___20.07.33.png
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neuro` And Publify lets you chose how you want to display the date ')
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neuro` ;)
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conzeit Ok, I'm mostly confused about this. is a"a simple shared virtual host" something you run on your desktop pc, or something you put in a hosting service? that is, is tantek having a pc run 24/7 in his house or is he paying someone to do that?
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barnabywalters conzeit: a shared virtual host is when you pay a company to host your files, application and data on their machines
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barnabywalters typically they handle server setup and such things
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conzeit ha, ok I feel silly now =)
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barnabywalters conzeit: no problem :)
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barnabywalters conzeit: maybe talk to benwerd about hosted indieweb software? I believe he’s wanting beta testers for hosted idno.co
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conzeit Iidno.co is a hosting service?
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benwerd conzeit: not as such, but I've been giving people hosting who want to try it out but don't have the server to install it themselves
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benwerd I'm also talking to hosting providers for a more permanent solution
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conzeit or...a protocol or what? :p
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benwerd oh, it's a platform
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benwerd it's what I run at http://werd.io
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conzeit that looks cool
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benwerd thank you!
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conzeit hoooly shit do you really drink that much coffe? I'm colombian and I'm horrified XD
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barnabywalters is anyone actively using camlistore or go for indiewebby things/any other personal projects?
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neuro` benwerd: like the way you display short posts, looks really clean
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benwerd conzeit: I was also horrified when it turned up, if it makes you feel any better ;) that was La Boulange in Novato this morning
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conzeit ha, ok
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aaronpk i had a latte in that bowl a few weeks ago
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barnabywalters conzeit: another indieweb piece of software which I believe can be fairly easily installed is http://storytlr.org/
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benwerd neuro`: thank you! I'm actually particularly proud of how they look on mobile. want to experiment more with the card layout (cc KevinMarks2)
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conzeit cool, do these federate to twitter and whatnot?
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barnabywalters conzeit: pretty sure storytlr can go both ways
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barnabywalters with a variety of silos
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benwerd idno POSSEs to twitter, facebook, flickr & foursquare
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benwerd storytlr does go both ways with a bunch (direction depending on the silo)
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barnabywalters e.g. eschnou (who wrote storytlr) pulls content in from flickr and youtube
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barnabywalters see: https://eschnou.com/
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conzeit cool. I was in diaspora and I was apalled to see how little compatibility it actually had....then I went to friendica and that didnt seem to do that much either...only from friendica out to silos anyways
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tantek benwerd - nice La Boulange shot indeed
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tantek amazing how similar each location is
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tantek it's almost as if they were chain, perhaps even owned by a larger chain ;)
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barnabywalters conzeit: you and me both :) I used diaspora for ages but got frustrated with it — I ended up writing my own software, and recently imported all my content in from D*
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conzeit it's frustrating when you go to those networks how you lose everybody on the silos
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benwerd tantek - ;) I wish they'd go ahead and import the food across into Starbucks already.
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benwerd conzeit: I've actually, weirdly, had more interactions on Facebook since I started POSSEing to it (I'm about to implement a selective copy button, finally, because I worry that I'm bombarding people - I know other people have disabled the Facebook plugin)
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tantek benwerd - they have into some downtown starbucks
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conzeit cool
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tantek e.g. Starbucks at Howard & Spear (nearest to @MozSF)
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conzeit so POSSE is two way. it's not just getting updates from fb/witter
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benwerd tantek - good to know
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barnabywalters benwerd: selective copy? as in only some posts or only parts of posts?
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tantek conzeit - nope. POSSE is one-way updates -> TO FB/Twitter
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conzeit oh ok
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barnabywalters PESOS is silos -> your site
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benwerd barnabywalters: only some posts. right now I'm not being selective at all (although I disable facebook as a whole sometimes, when I know I'm going to be high volume)
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barnabywalters see also http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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tantek benwerd, next time you're by MozSF we can check it out
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benwerd barnabywalters: ... which is, as has been noted, not a million miles away from spamming
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benwerd tantek: sounds good
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conzeit yeah I'm reading =) just a little slow :p
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barnabywalters benwerd: I got tired of the API being so slow and now only POSSE some posts, manuallu
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barnabywalters *y
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barnabywalters to fb
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benwerd yeah, the photo API in particular is hellishly slow
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benwerd actually, the video API is worse, but I'm not touching that for idno
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barnabywalters also back when I first implemented it they were changing the way long lived tokens worked and I couldn’t figure out how to get one which lasted more than a few hours
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barnabywalters so I had to re-sign in every time
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benwerd that's been sorted out, thankfully. did have the same problem back in the day.
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tantek benwerd - speaking of video API, I stubbed this page - please feel free to add any thoughts on indie video (or POSSEing) going through your head: http://indiewebcamp.com/video
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benwerd so many
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benwerd rolls up sleeves
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tantek exactly, start braindumping to lighten your load :)
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benwerd :)
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tantek loves braindumping to the wiki as a way of paging stuff out of local RAM.
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barnabywalters so tantek is dumbledore now?
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tantek ?
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conzeit =) it's great to know there's a network of smart people actually doing things right now
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barnabywalters removing thoughts from brain to external storage to lighten the load and make room for new ones
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tantek wait, dumbledore does that? citation?
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conzeit I think he fishes thoughts out of his head with a wand doesnt he?
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barnabywalters http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore%27s_Pensieve
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barnabywalters hm, maybe it was more specifically for *memories*, although exactly how that’s different to a thought I have no idea
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tantek whoa cool
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conzeit the hp series wasnt altogether bad ;p
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conzeit SO
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conzeit what hosting service+ registar do you guys reccomend?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/hosting
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conzeit I have a wordpress with like 2 postsright now, I suppose I'd port that :p
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bret barnabywalters: ozten was talking about eventually doing something with it
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conzeit dropbox? wasnt the cloud like pure evil or smth? or is that just for crazy freedombox folks? :p
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bret barnabywalters: camlistor that is
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bret the cloud isn't evil if they aren't doing evil things, and you own your data
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bret however you should be aware of the power structure of your relationship with 'the cloud'
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bret like, could your cloud provider that you are using suddenly be a jerk and you can't get any of your data back?
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neuro` conzeit: Cloud is OK if they don't make you give up your data ownership and actually provide a way for you to get them
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conzeit ok
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neuro` conzeit: but most API are actually only business lures, not openness
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barnabywalters all in all Dropbox is one of the better ones
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barnabywalters especially as the canonical copy of your data is the copy on your hard drive
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neuro` conzeit: you'll mostly hear them called "silos" here
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barnabywalters neuro`: hm, I contest whether or not Dropbox even fits the definition of a silo
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barnabywalters you can always see your data and remove it, it’s accessible via a well documented API and (if public) via plain old HTTP
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neuro` barnabywalters: I'm not talking about dropbox, but about services that won't let you own your data
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barnabywalters oh cool
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bret I'm starting to dabble in puump.io
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conzeit also, are you guys aware of the Lima kickstarter? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices
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bret i like it, but its definitely larger than I will ever fully understand
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conzeit it's like the propietary solution to privacy, supposedly PRISM proof
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conzeit doubt it does hosting though, just stores your files across pcs
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conzeit I mentioned it in the freedombox list and they said just being propietary ruins it
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bret propietary… PRISM proof?
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neuro` conzeit: something like freenet?
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conzeit not really
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conzeit if you install it in your pc it overrides your file system and put is it all in the box they give you, the "lima"
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neuro` irk
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conzeit but now you can access it from any device that has "lima" installed
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conzeit it's weird
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aaronpk "We replace the memories of your devices by Lima, so all your devices can have exactly the same contents at all times."
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conzeit but it's way overfunded olready...I think people might gravitate to that
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aaronpk "There's no dedicated folder where you have to move your files into. All your files are on Lima, from the files on your Desktop to the files in your Movies folder."
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conzeit yep.....
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ozten bret, barnabywalters: ya, I've got camlistore NodeJS wrappers, but the backend of my app is still using text files
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neuro` And who own your files?
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conzeit I can see the difference, but most folks might not :p
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aaronpk i'm curious how they handle negotiating all the connections between devices without running a service somewhere
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Loqi NEGOTIAT ALL THE CONNECTIONS http://loqi.me/7oS
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conzeit XD
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aaronpk neuro`: the files are all on a USB drive you plug in to their device
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neuro` OH
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ozten https://github.com/ozten/innercircle/tree/master/lib/cms_backends
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bret ozten: way cool!
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barnabywalters ozten: nice
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aaronpk also it seems like this would require a solid internet connection at home and from any device at all times
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conzeit I think it would....
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aaronpk ah they have an ipad app for viewing
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aaronpk so that also means you're locked in to their app update cycle
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conzeit they only said anything about opensourcing if their company crashed and burned
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bret I like the concept, I don't think I would start using it myself
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aaronpk cool, it's neat to see someone trying this approach
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conzeit What happens if CGC dies ?
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conzeit What’s good with Lima is that it’s entirely private and decentralized. So Lima can work independently from any servers, and continue managing your data even if our startup dies (disclosure: we don’t plan anything like that).
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conzeit The only thing we manage on our side of the equations are updates of our app and the web interface of Lima. In case of company crash, we’ll do our best to open source at least the most critical parts of our code, so the community continues improving the solution every night.
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aaronpk holy crap they raised 900k
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barnabywalters benwerd: RE our previous discussion about queuing, I think I might have found a nice solution which Symfony HttpKernel provides. After the response is sent, it triggers an event
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barnabywalters so I’m going to try just attaching a callback which in turn triggers the post-note-post events which take time
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conzeit alright thanks for the info guys
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conzeit are you guys usually here at this hour?
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conzeit or...is there a forum or something where I can reach you again
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aaronpk the channel is pretty active at most times at this point, since we're spread across many many timezones http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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barnabywalters conzeit: this is certainly the best place to talk indieweb
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barnabywalters and someone’s usually here
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barnabywalters especially now we’re up to consistently 60-70+ members
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conzeit Ok, awesome =) I look forward to setting an indeweb ID and hopefully eventually contribute something to you guys, atleast some notoriety among artists I hope =)
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conzeit later guys =)
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barnabywalters bye
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aaronpk wow 73 today
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benwerd barnabywalters: interested to see how you get on with that. worth a post maybe?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: 74 with conzeit :)
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barnabywalters benwerd: sure, if I get it working. currently rebuilding PHP :(
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benwerd barnabywalters: that is always the most fun you can have
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barnabywalters seriously, setting up environments and dependencies and crap just makes me want to learn go properly
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barnabywalters compiling to a single executable which runs anywhere… ahhh
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aaronpk anywhere that has the proper environment
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barnabywalters well, yeah
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk you can't escape!
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barnabywalters NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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barnabywalters tries compiling a simple go program and running it on his server
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benwerd that wiki page has reminded me how much I hate the state of video. not just on the web, but everywhere.
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aaronpk aw
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benwerd also, video compression in the browser is a problem that needs to be solved.
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aaronpk just make animated gifs of all video
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bret mkv ftw
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bret loljk
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benwerd aaronpk: I've been trying to convince my team to do that!
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aaronpk lol
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benwerd still no animated GIF support. *le sigh*
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bret all this video compression shit? nah! Use this new thing called a *Jiff*
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aaronpk animated gifs are a staple around here
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benwerd and then you get into the pro space and everyone has their own proprietary codec *weep*
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benwerd also, gif
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benwerd I will not bow to the soft G
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bret benwerd: what do you think of Daala? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/daala/demo1.shtml
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@DobbsRob Interesting idea: https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/368455040870014976)
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benwerd bret: I've been keeping my eye on it, let's put it that way ;)
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rknLA benwerd: did we meet last night? just reading through logs and looks like we were both at the gaffta thing
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benwerd rknLA: we didn't meet, but I guess we were!
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benwerd next time I'll know to look out for you!
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rknLA likewise
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benwerd thanks
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benwerd it's definitely picked up a little more steam than I expected. I'm in the process of setting things up so I can spend more time on it.
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tantek I've been to a few gafta things too.
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benwerd I sort of know Mat, who's their Director of Programs. Doing really interesting things.
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tantek benwerd - you say "to truly support HTML5 web video…" and then make a bunch of assertions
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tantek me thinks you raise the bar higher than necessary
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/video#Indieweb_support
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benwerd I'm in there now
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benwerd I can soften it a bit
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tantek for indieweb purposes, all we need to do is be as good as the silo you're using to post your video right now
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tantek wherever that is, for each of us
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tantek "truly support HTML5 web video" is nice but not really the indieweb tipping point
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tantek e.g. I post videos now to Instagram and Vine (and sometimes Flickr)
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benwerd *nod*
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tantek if I had an Indiegram client that could record videos and post them similarly to http://instagram.com/p/dAKPdWg9WI/ - that might be enough for me to switch
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rknLA nice. tantek, you are in SF as well?
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tantek indeed
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rknLA neat
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tantek or vine: https://vine.co/v/h76LdH5hzLv
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tantek I think web video has in general been plagued by making it seem too hard to do anything
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tantek and silos/apps are coming in and showing that even with crappy/minimal web video support, people still find them useful/compelling
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barnabywalters tantek: what are your personal requirements/desires for a video posting UI?
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tantek so let's admit to that, and let that be the bar for indie-video
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tantek barnabywalters - the mobile use-case is a big one
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benwerd definitely agree with that - the trick is actually getting them off the device
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barnabywalters tantek: interestingly I had assumed that implicitly
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benwerd a web uploader could work with vine-length videos
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tantek input type=file doesn't give you camera / photo / video library access?
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barnabywalters tantek: on mob. safari, yes
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tantek benwerd right
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tantek so that's my point - the pieces are in place
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tantek mobile safari yes, Firefox on android yes.
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tantek what's the minimum viable indie video?
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benwerd (chrome on android yes also)
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benwerd right, so a video that's of a length that you can feasibly upload
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tantek so perhaps that's worth noting
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tantek as a use-case / scenario etc.
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benwerd dives back in
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barnabywalters is audio the only differentiator between these short (e.g. 6 second) videos and gifs?
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tantek benwerd - would be nice to focus on minimum possible / useful use-case and design rather than a reference on the sad state of web video?
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benwerd tantek - heh, sorry, I may have unloaded too much baggage ;)
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tantek barnabywalters - know anyway to "capture" an animated gif?
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benwerd rejigging
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tantek benwerd baggage is fine - but more for a latter reference section :)
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neuro` barnabywalters: sound and real time capture to upload
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barnabywalters tantek: there was some js I saw to do that…
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barnabywalters not sure how well it would perform on mobile devices
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barnabywalters http://jnordberg.github.io/gif.js/tests/video.html
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tantek cool - worth adding to the page once benwerd is done rejigging it :)
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tantek (I knew he'd have good / thorough opinions on this stuff ) )
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neuro` barnabywalters: building an animated gif takes time. I want the cat video I've just taken to be on the interwebs NOW
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Loqi gives neuro` the cat video I
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barnabywalters Loqi: well, that dealt with that
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neuro` Loqi: I don't take videos. Not even cat ones.
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Loqi dude
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barnabywalters typically when I want to post a moving image I don’t want sound too
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tantek LOL
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tantek barnabywalters - screencasts with voiceovers?
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barnabywalters tantek: that’s a different thing to a moving image
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barnabywalters in my mind at least
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tantek just thinking of more recent real world use-cases of stuff "we" (as a community) have posted recently
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barnabywalters e.g. this is a moving image: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RRNfk/
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tantek barnabywalters - speaking of which - add your screencasts/agifs here: http://indiewebcamp.com/videos_about_the_indieweb
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barnabywalters as is this: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4REFKL/
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barnabywalters and I would count the rainbow vine you posted earlier as one too
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tantek yeah, like that first one!
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barnabywalters as opposed to a “video” with sound/voiceover
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barnabywalters which I do occasionally but much more rarely
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tantek barnabywalters - would love to see a write-up about how you post your screencasts
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tantek create/post
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barnabywalters tantek: specifically which, the short ones or longer? or both?
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tantek both
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tantek but those are clearly "video" posts IMO
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barnabywalters that’s a good weekend task
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barnabywalters tantek: the short ones? really?
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tantek I consider moving-images as a subset of "video"
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tantek yes
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tantek from a post type classification perspective absolutely
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barnabywalters when watching the two different types, I want completely different UIs and behaviours
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neuro` barnabywalters: i definitely love that way of building a screencast... need to do it for Publify actions
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barnabywalters e.g. moving pictures don’t have sounds, typically loop
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barnabywalters don’t need controls
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barnabywalters emphasis on actions to be taken on the content
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barnabywalters whereas video needs controls, no autoplay, fullscreen
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barnabywalters who wants to see a gif fullscreen?
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neuro` well, lolcats make good screensavers
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tantek barnabywalters - I'd like to be able to pause / frame-by-frame your agifs
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rknLA barnabywalters: http://procatinator.com/?cat=112
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barnabywalters rknLA: no flash :(
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@devseo http://benwerd.com/2013/07/09/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem/ - The IndieWeb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem (twitter.com/_/status/368477682532495360)
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rknLA :\
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barnabywalters tantek: they are quite fast
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tantek exactly
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tantek anyone know video upload limits for Facebook or Youtube?
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barnabywalters something like hover/click to toggle playing, or actual scrubbers?
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barnabywalters youtube varies
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barnabywalters at first limited to 10 mins, then upped to 15, then unlimited IIRC
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neuro` tantek: youtube is limited to 10 hours iirc
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tantek barnabywalters, neuro` - can you note that here? http://indiewebcamp.com/video#Silo_Support
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tantek really the browser should provide a default UI for agifs at least - like even right-click pause/play etc.
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barnabywalters neuro`: then how do you explain… *this* http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4REFKL/
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tantek or space-bar pause/play if you happen to be at the .gif URL
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barnabywalters I’d love to build something like that but I doubt there’s an API for controlling gif playback
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tantek so because barnabywalters is hosting these agifs at his own domain, I'm going to call them examples of indieweb video posts
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tantek thoughts?
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barnabywalters woot — even thought I somewhat disagree that they’re video ;)
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Loqi yay!
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barnabywalters this guy faked gif controls, but it requires a bunch of server side stuff and you can’t frame-by-frame or even pause properly: http://quickleft.com/blog/embeddable-animated-gifs-with-controls-just-in-time-for-christmas
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barnabywalters good grief, this one works as a bookmarklet! http://slbkbs.org/jsgif/
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barnabywalters tantek: that might be a temporary solution for you, as it should work on mobile devices too
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barnabywalters and I’ll have a look at the code and see if I can build it into my website
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shaners barnabywalters tantek: i have video posts on my site as well. http://sbb.me/v videos, proper (no direspect, barnabywalters)
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shaners i'm with barnabywalters. i think they're different post types.
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barnabywalters shaners: oh yeah I remember we discussed this — you’re self hosting them properly right?
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barnabywalters in multiple formats?
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shaners yes
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shaners just mp4
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shaners h.264
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benwerd (alright, screw it. I'm going to implement video posts too.)
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shaners :D
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barnabywalters benwerd: judging by previous performance it’ll be done in about 10 minutes
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barnabywalters how do you set a Loqi timer again?
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benwerd barnabywalters: I'm at work right now (believe it or not) so it'll be a while. But it'll actually just be an addition to the photo plugin.
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shaners my current batch of videos is manually PESOSed in from vine and youtube (in time, vimeo, flickr and instagram too)
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shaners benwerd: are you gonna use h-media markups for videos?
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tantek shaners - is h-media useful?
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neuro` Time to sleep. Brainstorm well.
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tantek sleep well neuro`
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shaners is it NOT useful? ;)
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tantek how is it useful?
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shaners i figure, i'll use it. if other people / tools want to discover my media that way, they can.
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neuro` tantek: thank you, will try, or I'll be tempted to implement webmention before the sun rises.
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shaners it's sensible enough classes. so i just through it in there. at the very least, it won't hurt.
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barnabywalters this is quite neat, the posting flow would be tricky though: http://www.sublimetext.com/~jps/animated_gifs_the_hard_way.html
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aaronpk barnabywalters: "2 hours until stuff"
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tantek 10 minutes until benwerd is done with implementing video posts according to barnabywalters.
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 8/16 2:29pm (#5240)
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aaronpk lol
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benwerd wait what
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benwerd I'm eating a burrito
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shaners barnabywalters: i also plan on implementing oembed for my photos, videos and audios
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shaners benwerd: tick tock. TICK TOCK!
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barnabywalters benwerd: mmmmmm
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barnabywalters Loqi: what is the longest timer you can remember?
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aaronpk probably the end of unixtime, not sure
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barnabywalters Loqi: do you understand years in timers?
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aaronpk 50 years until remember me?
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Loqi brain fart
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barnabywalters LOL
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benwerd aw, Loqi is just like people
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tantek shaners what's the use-case for supporting Oembed?
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aaronpk tantek: I post "videos" to my site as well, in the form of a note with a link to a .gif or .mp4 http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/10/2/indieweb and http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/04/25/1/original-post-discovery
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shaners tools can auto discover your embed code to add your media on another site
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aaronpk it's not really a video type, it's just a note with a link, and my rendered HTML puts a player inline
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tantek aaronpk - the animated gif is self-hosted so that counts
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aaronpk so is the mp4
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barnabywalters 504 hours until indiewebcamp uk tomorrow!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 9/6 2:26pm (#5241)
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tantek ah, indeed it does
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aaronpk which is embedded with the <video> tag
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tantek nice
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shaners tantek: see => http://oembed.com
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tantek shaners - I have - it's horribly out of date
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shaners sure. but still works.
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tantek "works"? where?
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rknLA we still use oembed for our twitter cards at rdio
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barnabywalters oembed was never likely to be really viable for indieweb sites as most people who implemented it whitelist the providers
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shaners yes, pownce is in their example. but the story is the same.
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aaronpk I unfortunately implemented an oembed consumer for soundcloud in order to embed players in my site
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Loqi benwerd is done with implementing video posts according to barnabywalters.
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benwerd is done with his burrito
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rknLA burrito, implementing video posts... same thing, right?
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benwerd I marked it up with the h-delicious tag
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aaronpk benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 7 karma
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barnabywalters h-review, surely ;)
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benwerd the burrito itself was not a review
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benwerd that would be disgusting :P
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benwerd ooh, though, reviews
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tantek aaronpk - this is cool: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/10/2/indieweb
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benwerd aaronpk, that is rockin'
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aaronpk yeah! i'm pretty happy with it!
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rknLA that's rad
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tantek aaronpk - send that to mixedpuppy!
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aaronpk what is mixedpuppy!
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tantek mixedpuppy is Shane Caraveo of Mozilla and Social API
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk what is mixedpuppy?
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Loqi mixedpuppy is Shane Caraveo of Mozilla and Social API
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aaronpk perfect
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tantek so who had the earliest "video" post? aaronpk? barnabywalters? permalinks?
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tantek (including animated gifs - hosted on your domain of course)
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barnabywalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/707/
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barnabywalters december 2012
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aaronpk ooh that probably beats me
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aaronpk i don't even think i had my new site up then
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barnabywalters ALTHOUGH — it’s actually hosted on dropbox so doesn’t count :(
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shaners just checked my github repo. i added videos on 2013-07-07
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barnabywalters goes through all gifs he’s posted and self-hosts them
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barnabywalters while I’m at it I’ll self-host all the photos from my D* content too
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tantek barnabywalters - using dropbox for storage is like using AWS
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barnabywalters diasp.org will die eventually
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tantek you could abstract it with video.waterpigs.co.uk
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aaronpk i think 2013-04-25 is my earliest
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barnabywalters aaand it’s self hosted — better late than never
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tantek feel free to fix the wiki barnabywalters - perhaps leave in a note stating that it was hosted on dropbox when originally posted
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barnabywalters sure
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tantek (good to keep little bits like that, helps others feel less intimidated should they choose a similar path)
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tantek done editing wiki for a bit - have at it :)
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shaners Loqi, how many people are in the channel now?
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Loqi :)
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shaners Loqi that's a strange answer
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rknLA TIL that :) is a number.
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shaners Loqi sudo how many people are in the channel now?
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rknLA lol
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aaronpk hm, just got a request to follow an RSS feed of news.indiewebcamp.com
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barnabywalters aaronpk: sandeep made an h-entry -> atom converter right?
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aaronpk ah yes
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barnabywalters if it’s public just direct them to that
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aaronpk i forget where that is
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barnabywalters me too
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aaronpk http://h-reader.aws.af.cm/feed/atom?url=http://www.sandeep.io/
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aaronpk h-reader.com
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aaronpk hm it doesn't work with indienews. I think it expects an actual h-feed, not just a list of h-entries
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barnabywalters hm
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barnabywalters I’m off. goodnight all
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Loqi gute nacht!
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@BarnabyWalters This evening’s #indieweb activity was moving a load of the photos in the posts I exported from Diaspora onto my o… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RZN9V/ (twitter.com/_/status/368494752208928768)
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@BarnabyWalters Testing posting #indieweb videos via email and the iOS camera app: (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RZNP2/) (twitter.com/_/status/368498164409450496)
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@AusteninBoston RT @JenniferPetkus: The Men Who Stare at Goats have nothing on me, The Woman Who Stares at Kindle Sales Report. Change, damn it! #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/368502863301197825)
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benwerd I don't understand why they're not using #indieauthors as a hashtag
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aaronpk they are, but the RT causes it to overflow by 3 characters
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aaronpk and then the search API indexes it as indieauth
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benwerd got it
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Loqi [mention] http://legionjesterblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/opensource-et-hacking-combat-pour-la-liberte/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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josephg is google.com down for anyone else?
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josephg holy crap - it is too.
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rknLA yeah, gmail died for me for a number of moments.
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rknLA same for some other folks at work
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josephg I've seen gmail go down, but I haven't seen search go down in years
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josephg like, I can't remember the last time that happened
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josephg ... aaaand its back
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rknLA gmail died again for me,
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bret my chat got disconnected, didn't see it down though
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tantek shaners - what's your tool called again?
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tantek Homesteading?
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shaners yes
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tantek links to it to see if it exists :)
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shaners yep
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shaners http://indiewebcamp.com/Homesteading
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shaners i'm currently corralling in all of my "bookmarks" from other sites. the instapaper export is fucking terrible.
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shaners either csv or "html"
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shaners neither has timestamps
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shaners the html is the super old netscape bookmarks file format
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shaners ie, <OL> <LI><A HREF>text</A>
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shaners but no closing LI :(
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shaners i've tweeted at them asking to added timestamps
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shaners https://twitter.com/veganstraightedge/status/368516141888446464
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@veganstraightedge @instapaper Preferably, ISO 8601. YYYY-MM-DD.
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tantek nice
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shaners they show "dates" on their site. but they're terrible too.
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shaners and not <time> tags
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shaners so, all of those bookmarks will be timestamped as "now" for now
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tantek alrighty, finally got Homesteading listed in the main projects page
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tantek get you some more exposure :)
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@webtechman @ellenfeaheny My pleasure Ellen! Thx4 @appfusions' #osfw3c event! #socbiz #ff (twitter.com/_/status/368520365225439233)
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bret I'm going to try and hack in some uF2 to a test pump.io instance
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bret see what Evan thinks