#indiewebcamp 2015-10-10

2015-10-10 UTC
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kevinmarks hm http://books.simonandschuster.com/The-Silo-Effect/Gillian-Tett/9781451644739
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kevinmarks "How Facebook Crushed the Silo Financial Times senior editor Gillian Tett, author of 'The Silo Effect', explains how Facebook uses innovative tactics to break down silos within it's own company. - See more at: http://books.simonandschuster.com/The-Silo-Effect/Gillian-Tett/9781451644739#video-4430395714001
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kevinmarks I don't think she uses silo the same way as we do
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kevinmarks also: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-08/facebook-is-big-but-big-networks-can-fall
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good evening, tantek.
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kevinmarks hi tantek
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GWG Good evening, kevinmarks
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kevinmarks hello GWG
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GWG kevinmarks: I was listening to your AMP discussion earlier
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kevinmarks how did it come across? Jeff was super keen on it
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GWG I was thinking of the alternative. Namely, stuff we already have.
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GWG I have a site I maintain for someone, which I was checking today due some errors. It has 48 scripts running. I'm depressed by that.
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kevinmarks it was interesting timing my site with and without js
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kevinmarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/load-times-from-chromemine-81-req-26-mb-content-433ms
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kevinmarks hm, AMP's required fixed with on the audio/video are annoying
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GWG I just wonder if anyone will come up with something that reproduces the same sort of idea that is being advocated without these restrictions.
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kevinmarks s/with/width/
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Loqi kevinmarks meant to say: hm, AMP's required fixed width on the audio/video are annoying
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kevinmarks Well, we're also trying to get them to be less restrictive. Their goal is to avoid page relayouts
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kevinmarks eg https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/545
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GWG I'm not sure I like the whole amp-img thing though.
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kevinmarks yes, we need to push back on that as well. They shoudl use http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/semantics.html#the-picture-element
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kevinmarks did ios ship that yet though?
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kevinmarks hm, not in safari yet http://caniuse.com/#search=picture
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GWG I just feel there is more to do inside HTML without coming up with this.
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kevinmarks well, it is inside html; I have some sympathy for what they are doing
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todrobbins Safari still doesn’t support WebRTC, right?
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todrobbins ps: hi all!
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kevinmarks nope http://caniuse.com/#search=webrtc
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todrobbins oh wow, and Edge. I thought they had addressed that
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todrobbins huh
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GWG Hello, todrobbins
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todrobbins hi GWG
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kevinmarks facebooks html subset is weirder http://caniuse.com/#search=webrtc
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kevinmarks er https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/reference
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todrobbins kevinmarks: I saw one of those FB instant articles last night on my iOS app. It was fast, I guess, but weird.
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todrobbins is FB utilizing web components for all those custom elements?
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todrobbins ah, just noticed http://caniuse.com/#search=summary
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kevinmarks yeah, come on mozilla and microsoft
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todrobbins what is the user style for those? in Chrome, for instance?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "user style for those" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104W
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kevinmarks how do you mean?
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kevinmarks they show up as disclosure triangles by default
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kevinmarks like this: http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.twit.tv%2Ftwig_video_hd.xml
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kevinmarks hm, I need a maxwidth on the videos
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kevinmarks there, fixed
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todrobbins ah, I see
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todrobbins and yes, that’s what I was asking :D
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kevinmarks you can style them, there was a neat demo tantek showed us for image caption
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todrobbins oh neat, where could I find that?
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tantek what's the problem you're trying to solve todrobbins?
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todrobbins no problem, just curious to see some of these new elements in the wild, the current styling, etc.
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kevinmarks http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/details/
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todrobbins kevinmarks: very cool. sorry to narrow in on <details>, I was just behind the curve on their existence. tantek thanks for reaching out
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kevinmarks we all were (except tantek maybe)
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kevinmarks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-27/line/1425079272756
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todrobbins kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 172 karma
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tommorris I look forward to answers to this question: https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/652821697909903360
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@tommorris OpenID Connect question: is there any website I can actually log into using OpenID Connect? If not, what's the fucking point in it? (twitter.com/_/status/652821697909903360)
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@getsetbro RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: AMP, Facebook Instant Articles and Apple News are like 3 new browsers that only support a subset of … (twitter.com/_/status/652834847187202048)
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kodfabrik.se edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+54) "Updating the HWC Malmö plan with ambitions" (view diff)
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@bitemewebseries Thanks for the love @TLContessa <3 <3 <3 #bitemewebseries @Indiegogo #webseries #indieweb #womeninfilm https://twitter.com/TLContessa/status/652616838392774656 (twitter.com/_/status/652860622657425408)
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@benborges_ good news! @withknown 0.8.4 fixed iframe/embed/js/ inserts into post or pages. #indieweb rocks ! https://1-m.cc/s/1HJxc (twitter.com/_/status/652879964908462080)
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@RikMende thanks @withknown for fixing embed issues in the git dev version of Knwon #indieweb http://www.rmendes.net/2015/thanks-withknown-for-fixing-embed-issues-in-the-git-dev (twitter.com/_/status/652880578929274880)
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@benwerd Something fun we're working on: using Known as the interface to the personal web at BYU. http://bavatuesdays.com/initial-notes-on-an-api-driven-community-site-for-byu/ #indieweb #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/652883414891171840)
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@SinisterSoft Gideros HTML5 export of one of my games... http://apps.giderosmobile.com/martians/ Want more? Support the Gideros HTML5 Kickstarter! #indieweb #html5game (twitter.com/_/status/652912777842028544)
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tantek_ good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek_ tommorris I wonder how we would answer your OpenID question for IndieAuth? That is, do we have a list of supporting sites that you can log into with IndieAuth? (besides IndieWebCamp.com of course ;) )
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aaronpk OpenID Connect != OpenID
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aaronpk OpenID Connect is more like OAuth 2
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aaronpk pretty sure Google implemented it, not sure who else
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tantek_ that's the point aaronpk - not apparent who supports it at all, especially cross-site
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tantek_ and yes I mean OpenID Connect in particular
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[aaronpk] Yeah. IndieWebCamp.com doesn't support OpenID Connect tho
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tommorris tantek_: was more interested as an implementer of whether to bother adding support to ferocity v2
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tommorris If I can't use it anywhere it is a waste of engineering effort.
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tantek_ that wasn't the alternate question I posed
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tantek_ huh, there's plenty of tangential stuff on the IndieAuth page, could use some clean-up / moving to subpages
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tantek_ what's a good heading for "Infrequently Asked Questions" ? Or "Edge Cases Brought Up By One Person"?
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tantek_ I'm at the point where I'd rather keep FAQs focused on *frequently* asked questions
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tantek_ rather than the odds / ends that are often nitpicked by the more theoretical than practical
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tantek_ I'm going to go with "Edge Cases" unless someone suggests something better
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tantek.com edited /rel-me (+1278) "move RDFa problem here instead of IndieAuth page since not specific to IndieAuth" (view diff)
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[aaronpk] I like edge cases. A neutral term for it.
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tantek_ yeah it feels objective and neutral
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tantek_ and accurate
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth () "(-639) move RDFa problem to rel=me page instead of IndieAuth page since not specific to IndieAuth" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+253) "start a Supporting Sites section with just indiewebcamp.com for now until folks add more" (view diff)
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tantek_ !tell aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme pretty sure your personal sites also support anyone logging into them with IndieAuth - but I don't remember exactly what is supported once someone is logged in! Can you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Supporting_Sites ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[aaronpk] On mobile right now but you can see private posts if you log in to my site
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Loqi [aaronpk]: tantek_ left you a message 41 seconds ago: pretty sure your personal sites also support anyone logging into them with IndieAuth - but I don't remember exactly what is supported once someone is logged in! Can you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Supporting_Sites ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-10/line/1444511435311
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[aaronpk] Posts shared directly with you, that is
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ben_thatmustbeme i was working on support for that, but i use mp-config with it
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek_ left you a message 3 minutes ago: pretty sure your personal sites also support anyone logging into them with IndieAuth - but I don't remember exactly what is supported once someone is logged in! Can you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Supporting_Sites ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-10/line/1444511435311
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+230) "/* Supporting Sites */ monocle, aaronparecki.com" (view diff)
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tantek_ ben_thatmustbeme - I vaguely remember you supported IndieAuth login on your contact page to see more contact methods? or was that only in combination with a whitelist?
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+37) "/* Supporting Sites */ easier to read descriptions" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme that was the case at the time, i've since removed that
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ben_thatmustbeme the contact page is just public now
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@t @tommorris don’t know anyone supporting #OpenIDConnect login. Some sites have #IndieAuth login https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Supporting_Sites (ttk.me t4dd1) (twitter.com/_/status/652976843583156224)
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tantek hmm - looks like my web host's PHP update/upgrade broke my automatic webmention sending for RSVPs
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tantek but using Bridgy still works?
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tantek (publish that is)
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tantek n.m. just took a second to show up I guess on the indie event. still have a bunch of warnings and a script time-out to look into
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tantek and FB invitations sent out for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club ! Prepare for Bridgy flood...
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Loqi [mention] someone posted http://johnjohnston.info/blog/wordpress-to-medium/ that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/, http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Outreach_Club, and http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE https://webmention.io/notification/YSDPGAERR0AePhdC1n5dyg
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Loqi [mention] Tantek Çelik RSVPd yes to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/A5XoP8Tl80ZuQV0MkzqMPQ
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