#indiewebcamp 2014-03-15

2014-03-15 UTC
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sparverius PuSH is pretty neat-o
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snarfed sparverius++
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Loqi sparverius has 4 karma
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pauloppenheim yeah man, i need to dig more into that
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kylewm what are you doing with it, sparverius?
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sparverius im reading it
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sparverius lol
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kylewm :D
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sparverius i have no idea what i could with it
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sparverius split complete
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snarfed if silos implemented PuSH, bridgy would be way simpler :P
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jden webhook all the things
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sparverius so i created a second facebook profile for the music events i go to with a fake name
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sparverius and then on my real account facebook just now was like "REAL NAME POLICY REMINDER"
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sparverius i swear if i get facebanned im gonna be so... something
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pauloppenheim sparverius: do you erase cookies between sessions?
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sparverius pauloppenheim: i shouldnt have to
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sparverius but now i guess i do
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pauloppenheim sparverius: depends how you feel about privacy
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sparverius a couple of renegade organizers are debating having no cell phone policies or pulled sims/batteries
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sparverius i know that much
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sparverius i dont think anyone actually LIKES facebook, hence why theyre buying user base left and right
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sparverius whatsapp doesnt count because i think that was a play into south america
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kylewm Did you see the Princeton study of Facebook as communicable disease? that predicted they'd lose 80% of their users by 2017?
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kylewm http://www.zdnet.com/reseachers-say-facebook-membership-will-drop-80-percent-by-2017-seriously-7000025463/
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kylewm I don't take it very seriously, but kind of thought-provoking
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snarfed kylewm: working on your fb bug and found a funny quirk
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snarfed fb doesn't actually need the user id, they just want a url in that format
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snarfed e.g. this works too: https://www.facebook.com/foobar/posts/10100825555067949?comment_id=8516419
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snarfed whee
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kylewm whhhaaaa
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snarfed :P
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snarfed Url Routing Iz Hard
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snarfed let's go shopping
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snarfed regardless, i have a fix that uses the real user id. deploying soon.
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kylewm cool! I looked at the API a little and understood why it's difficult... the comment doesn't have an id for its parent
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snarfed yeah, exactly
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snarfed (…for its parent's author)
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kylewm I'll be interested to see how you fix it
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snarfed it's not elegant. i pass the post user id all the way down into the bowels of the activitystreams lib
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snarfed k, deployed, and i'm off. ttyl!
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www.ashersilberman.com edited /comment (-10) (view diff)
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@BillSeitz IndieWeb folks don't like RSS? http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#Criticism (twitter.com/_/status/444658084729069569)
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aaronpk I *just* got photo posts working, then I go and post a video to instagram. now I need to get video posts working on my site
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aaronpk oh that is really weird... I just posted this reply that links to a spotify playlist, and my autolinker turns it into the spotify embed code. http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/14/2/
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aaronpk when I view the page, it shows the player playing the song my spotify app is listening to
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aaronpk crazy integration between browser and desktop app
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/444599650654248960/444673413450170370 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles-de (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/444599650654248960/444674675902119937 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles-de (webmention)
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tantek aaronpk, still appear to be getting 413 Request Entity Too Large when trying to upload images from my iPod :/
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tantek what I don't understand is that the images should only be ~1.3MB per previous uploads. So I have no idea what the error is coming from . :/
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@andrewfnewman RT @rcade: The @indiewebcamp page striving to kill off RSS and Atom entirely: http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (twitter.com/_/status/444681746596892674)
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tantek how can you kill something that's already dead?
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tantek we're just documenting the current state
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tantek funny that those tweeting about defending RSS and/or Atom have no such feeds for their tweets. ;)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (+162) "/* Photos */ add link to IG photo because wiki upload keeps 413 rejecting the actual photo :(" (view diff)
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scottjenson !tell tantek Indiewebcamp.com is looking pretty good! Love the changes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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scottjenson !tell caseorganic Indiewebcamp.com is looking pretty good! Love the changes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi tantek: scottjenson left you a message 2 hours, 9 minutes ago: Indiewebcamp.com is looking pretty good! Love the changes
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robertbrook.fastmail.fm edited /events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (+96) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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robertbrook.fastmail.fm created /User:Robertbrook.fastmail.fm (+45) "Created page with "[http://robertbrook.fastmail.fm Robert Brook]"" (view diff)
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@mrmzholland @6loss Also this #indieweb stuff is interesting (though it seems way too techie and niche for normals like me to be using it) (twitter.com/_/status/444751590713733120)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://HTACCESS.CO.IN/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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@davewiner Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444827469141794816)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @davewiner: Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444827844263542784)
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@awasim RT @davewiner: Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444829077807968256)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 3/14 at 11:02am: in answer to your question, https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/443337312085495808 is a note (not comment) because it is just linking to your own site.
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@gwfrink3 For me, RSS beats every other form of link-sharing - @davewiner Scripting News: Indieweb and #RSS. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444830067437604865)
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barnabywalters !tell tantek https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/443337312085495808 isn’t a note, it’s a POSSE copy of a note (maybe a video) with links to articles in which is obviously in no way a comment on said articles
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters heh, is it just me or is dave winer way too focused on one particular plumbing (RSS) rather than the experiences and UI focused enabled by that plumbing
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barnabywalters s/plumbing/piece of plumbing
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: heh, is it just me or is dave winer way too focused on one particular piece of plumbing (RSS) rather than the experiences and UI focused enabled by that piece of plumbing
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@scriptingfeed Indieweb and RSS: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents their philosophy, then their nam... http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444832967743897600)
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@GBDataStream Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444834861447409664)
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@Qyooh http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html Indieweb and RSS (twitter.com/_/status/444835354529787905)
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@fnkey Indieweb and RSS: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents their philosophy, then their nam... http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444836388081385473)
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@scriptingnews Indieweb and RSS: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents their philosophy, then their nam... http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444839722792136704)
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@davewiner With IndieWebCamp we've specifically chosen to encourage and embrace a diversity of approaches/implementations. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twitter.com/_/status/444841209543274496)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @davewiner: With IndieWebCamp we've specifically chosen to encourage and embrace a diversity of approaches/implementations. http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/444842004472954880)
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@sarahpressler RT @davewiner: With IndieWebCamp we've specifically chosen to encourage and embrace a diversity of approaches/implementations. http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/444845695166468096)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@io_panic RT @davewiner: Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444864240365862912)
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@ForbiddenMatrix Indieweb and RSS: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents their philosophy, then their nam... http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444865299519909888)
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@the_megabox Indieweb and RSS: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents their philosophy, then their nam... http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444865301285310464)
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kylewm morning all, I'm looking at the microformats test suite, had a question about the urls... e.g., in https://github.com/microformats/tests/blob/master/h-review.html I see <img class="u-photo" src="images/photo.gif" /> with expected output "photo": ["http://example.com/images/photo.gif"],
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kylewm where did http://example.com come from in the expected output ?
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@MailpileTeam Pretty exciting #IndieWeb development- an encrypted webmention conversation using PGP made easy via keybase.io http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/02/26/7/gpg (twitter.com/_/status/444871471316631553)
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@engnroom RT @MailpileTeam: Pretty exciting #IndieWeb development- an encrypted webmention conversation using PGP made easy via keybase.io http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/444871643886661632)
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@jafurtado Indieweb and RSS,by Dave Winer @davewiner /Scripting News http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444875438968434688)
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@DominiqueVanpee RT @jafurtado: Indieweb and RSS,by Dave Winer @davewiner /Scripting News http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444877343853928448)
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@jppastor Indieweb and RSS,by Dave Winer @davewiner /Scripting News http://t.co/zD65PJvDwk” “@jafurtado (twitter.com/_/status/444879723878158337)
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snarfed kylewm: may be a base url set somewhere?
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snarfed maybe try the #microformats channel
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Loqi caseorganic: scottjenson left you a message 12 hours, 30 minutes ago: Indiewebcamp.com is looking pretty good! Love the changes
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aaronpk wow what a tweet storm
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aaronpk and pingback storm
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@ShaneHudson RT @MailpileTeam: Pretty exciting #IndieWeb development- an encrypted webmention conversation using PGP made easy via keybase.io http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/444882327051976706)
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aaronpk maybe the /feeds page talks too much about the drawbacks of RSS vs the benefits of HTML feeds
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snarfed aaronpk: probably yes. i'm not sure how widely accepted "rss and atom are dead" is in the community
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snarfed but i'm biased since i still like them :P
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aaronpk you don't like rss and atom, you like what they enable
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snarfed true. i can rephrase as, i don't mind them, i'm not convinced they're actually problems we need to solve
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KevinMarks I liked that Dave Winer selfdogfooded RSS, and separated the different components of posting, reading and subscribing with public formats
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KevinMarks is keybase using the bitcoin keys as PKI?
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@redscraft05 @davewiner As usual, yr inclination ito "fight" indieweb, Why u think google/twitter r contributors? "Keep yr friends close & yr ..closer" (twitter.com/_/status/444883722244874240)
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aaronpk hah wat
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waterpigs.co.uk created /pgp (+918) "stubbed with indieweb usage, draft summary of ID => PGP key algorithm" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb encrypted messages: http://www.sandeep.io/177 obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1181/ (twitter.com/_/status/444884510035816448)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb encrypted messages: http://www.sandeep.io/177 obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1181/ (twitter.com/_/status/444885135553732608)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters It looks like the public key is in my keybase.io profile, so it should be discoverable from aaronparecki.com if I link to <a href="https://keybase.io/aaronpk" class="u-pgpkey">
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /pgp (+848) "/* Key Lookup Algorithm */ added initial draft of decentralised PGP key lookup steps" (view diff)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk come baaaack barnaby!
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 3 minutes ago: It looks like the public key is in my keybase.io profile, so it should be discoverable from aaronparecki.com if I link to <a href="https://keybase.io/aaronpk" class="u-pgpkey">
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bret who was that guy who made his website all indieweb enabled with reply context and uF? I dont remember his name but it was grey and green themed, and I dont think he really spend much time in IRC?
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barnabywalters bret: barryfrost.com?
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bret barnabywalters yes!
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bret ty
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that’s true — presumably the reasoning for linking to key base profile rather than your PGP key itself is usability?
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barnabywalters those edits/algorithms came out of a current IRL conversation with bnvk about keybase, key silos and key discovery
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barnabywalters I was complaining that the keybase client is strongly tied to the key base key silo when it could fairly easily be made properly decentralised, so we drafted an algorithm for doing just that
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aaronpk ah interesting
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aaronpk yes the case for linking to keybase.io rather than the key itself is usability
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aaronparecki.com edited /feed (+3) "update refs to [[h-feed]] rather than [[hAtom]]" (view diff)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I originally suggested that if keybase was open source we could send a pull request with h-card, u-key and rel-publickey in
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barnabywalters (which seems to not be the case)
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aaronpk so you could update the algorithm to something like: if you find a u-pgpkey then fetch the page. if the content type is text/plain then the whole contents of the URL is the key, if the content type is html, then parse for a p-pgpkey property
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aaronpk yeah we should try to get them to add an h-card
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, or it could be even simpler — PGP keys have a very distinct structure, you can just search the text of the page for them
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barnabywalters aaronpk: feel free to amend the algorithm
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barnabywalters it would also be nice if keybase had a field for homepage URL with rel-me
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aaronpk oh true... just look for -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- in whatever the heck is returned from the u-pgpkey url
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aaronpk yeah keybase should add a home page URL. it would have to be verified like the twitter and github ones, but that's potentially as easy as looking for a rel=me URL to your keybase profile from your home page
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aaronpk actually, just point them to app.net's domain verification since they already did exactly that
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barnabywalters aaronpk: exactly — a huge pro of using URLs (if available) for all this is that with rel-me they have verification built in
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barnabywalters aaronpk: +1 for “/feeds should talk more about the pros of HTML feeds” — also how to consume, tools, etc. I’ll work a bit on that today
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 4 hours, 7 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/443337312085495808 isn’t a note, it’s a POSSE copy of a note (maybe a video) with links to articles in which is obviously in no way a comment on said articles
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@BadBlueTech Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS http://badbluetech.bitnamiapp.com/p.php?sid=24021307&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444893887736184832)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (-175) "styling" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2013-11-03-indiewebcamp-hollywood.jpg]]""
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aaronpk tantek: fixed uploads! apparently there is a separate setting on nginx and in php
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tantek wow
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aaronpk that was a 10mb photo
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tantek maybe add that to /nginx ?
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aaronpk good idea
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tantek nginx config seems harder to figure out (less well documented?) than apache configs
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bret aaronpk tantek, I want to put together a list of distinguished indieweb sites
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tantek bret - too much of a pain to maintain
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tantek just write it up as a blog post
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bret ok
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tantek same problem as "reading list" and that "table of support"
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tantek no one has time to maintain those
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bret eg projects page ;)
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tantek projects page actually gets updates reasonably often
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tantek because it is a simple set of flat lists
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bret its also "confusing"/"overwhelming"/"doesnt present a clear picture"
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tantek there is no clear picture
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tantek welcome to being on the cutting edge
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bret (OH quotes from HWC)
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bret ill do a blogpost
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bret and paint my picture :)
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tantek good!
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tantek then you can link to it from "Posts about the indieweb"
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bret writing a response to david weiner
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tantek (on the wiki)
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tantek sure if you think that's worth your time ;)
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bret im doing my darnest
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bret darndest*
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tantek my one piece of advice on that, be kind.
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bret i am being very kind
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bret he loves opml and rss, but he also is super consistent with indieweb principals, but cant see past the rss criticisms
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bret which is a bummer, i hate when people blindly dismiss things
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@YorkSocial Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444899394962198528)
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aaronpk i liked this tweet from him: https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/444860337368883200
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@davewiner My proposal for independence: "We use what works -- for us. And that should not preclude working together." http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444860337368883200)
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aaronpk and bret yeah compiling a list of "distinguished indieweb sites" as a blog post is great, so that it captures the current state of things, rather than trying to maintain a list going forward
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aaronpk you should probably also include example screenshots of the sites in case they change or go offline later
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bret good call
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aaronparecki.com edited /nginx (+269) "add client_max_body_size" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /stream (+13) "link to [[reader]]" (view diff)
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@isofarro RT @rcade: Consuming RSS and Atom is "problematic and fragile," claims @indiewebcamp. RSS? Yes. Atom? Hell no. That spec is bulletproof. (twitter.com/_/status/444901222211153920)
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aaronpk aaaand the rss/atom wars continue
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aaronparecki.com edited /nginx (+88) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronpk I really want to remove the bottom section of /feed which seems like undue criticism of feeds in general rather than XML feeds in particular
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aaronparecki.com edited /feed (-123) "remove RSS logo. feed != rss" (view diff)
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@ShaneHudson @sh4t #indieweb! Upload to your website, them send them everywhere else if you wish (twitter.com/_/status/444902395450228736)
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bret http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html#comment-1285988383
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aaronpk who is steve?
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aaronpk you posted that to your site too, right?
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bret oh shit i mean fave
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bret dave
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bret fixed
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bret yeah I should mirror that
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bret you think dave weiner actually reads his disqus comments?
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KevinMarks yes, he normally does
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KevinMarks he also reads blog responses
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bret crap, if im going to mirror this, I have to fix all my grammar
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KevinMarks PESOS by hand
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bret like a boss
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bret he deleted my comment
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KevinMarks a great example of why POSSE matters
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KevinMarks he has me blocked on twitter
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aaronpk what!!
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bret wow really?
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aaronpk you saved your comment right?
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bret yup
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aaronpk *whew*
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aaronpk it was good
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bret http://bret.io/2014/03/15/re-dave-winer/
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aaronpk lol! https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/444874600154144768
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@davewiner Consensus is formed in the market, not on mail lists or in meetups. http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/444874600154144768)
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aaronpk and check out the reply: https://twitter.com/gcarothers/status/444901817822875649
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@gcarothers . @davewiner The consensus is clear. Use Facebook. This ISN'T about the current consensus but building a better new one. (twitter.com/_/status/444901817822875649)
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aaronpk bret: now you can post a link to your blog post as a disqus comment
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aaronparecki.com edited /feed (-488) "remove "Future" section. seems like undue criticism of feeds in general rather than XML feeds in particular. Rephrase the one useful paragraph to be constructive rather than criticizing." (view diff)
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aaronpk ok that's a little better on the /feed page now
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aaronpk would still love for barnaby to take a pass at rephrasing it
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KevinMarks I'd love Dave winer to edit it
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aaronpk indeed
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gavinc Feel kinda bad talking about IndieWeb while in the process of closing down the last sites on TextDrive and moving them to Wordpress.com
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bret when you go to his post, it doesn't show that my original post was deleted
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aaronpk bret: I still see "comment deleted"
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bret when you link to the comment #, it shows it. :) least I can prove it
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bret you think he did that because it was too long?
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aaronpk ah!
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aaronpk well just goes to show why POSSE is important, especialy for comments
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aaronpk he has every right to not show your comment on his post, it's his site after all
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bret yeah, its just a little bit "nah nah nah not listening nah nah nah" to delete a thoughtful post
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aaronpk yeah really
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aaronpk will be curious to see what he says
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bret it would be consistant with the deletion to say nothing
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bret plus, im comparativly young, what do I know right ;)
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aaronpk yeah you're one of those JSON fanbois right?
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aaronpk lol
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bret hipsterdev
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bret Dave winer: ".... Friendly" [citation needed] I feel totally dismissed :(
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aaronpk ?
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bret http://davewiner.com/
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk ok submitted keybase issue https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/261
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bret wont they want some crypto stuff on top of that?
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bret like they make people encrypt an object
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bret like: https://gist.github.com/bcomnes/9452909
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aaronpk oh yeah hm
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aaronpk well you could just make that post on your website
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bret maybe we could use the data tag?
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bret err data parameter
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aaronpk ok updated
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KevinMarks Winer on JSON: http://scripting.com/2006/12/20.html " I figured, sheez it can't be that hard to parse, so let's see what it looks like, and damn, IT'S NOT EVEN XML!… No doubt I can write a routine to parse this, but look at how deep they went to re-invent, XML itself wasn't good enough for them, for some reason (I'd love to hear the reason). Who did this travesty? Let's find a tree and string them up. Now."
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aaronpk whoa is that for real?
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aaronpk "Silicon Valley is made up of little boys pulling their puds, constantly making love to each other, pretending the world revolves around them."
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tantek aaronpk, step away, slowly ;)
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bret maybe have two links: one link, containing the public key, pointing to a page with the verification proof
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aaronpk backs up
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bret and another link to keybase based on the rel=me stuff
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bret that way, your website becomes a mirror of keybase
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bret essentially
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bret loose idea, lots of issues probably
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bret tantek winer deleted my response :(
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bret http://bret.io/2014/03/15/re-dave-winer/
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tantek bret - but it was on your own site right?
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tantek so write about what happened
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bret i PESSOd it
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tantek if so he just helped make the #ownyourdata point
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bret http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html#comment-1285988383 for the proof of deletion XD
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tantek so write about it
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KevinMarks is PESSO - Publish Elsewhere Screenshot Shown Own site
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bret did I mess that up?
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KevinMarks I should have screenshotted your comment before he nuked it
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bret i mean PESOS
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Loqi yea!
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bret KevinMarks: that link to the # shows that it was deleted
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aaronpk curious that he hasn't deleted your latest comment. maybe the reason for deleting the first was that it was too long.
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aaronpk oh there's already a thread on domain verification https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/28
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bret dkim?? uh oh
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bret keybase.txt
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aaronpk looks like they're settling on keybase.txt
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aaronpk interesting, "Multiple proofs can be concatenated in keybase.txt if multiple people claim to own a domain."
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aaronpk here's the current thinking: https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/28#issuecomment-37650313
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bret i want to represent my key on my site. having a keybase.txt would be a dry violation. Could it also be an html page to avoid this?
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npdoty bret, I use an anchor tag with the text of the full fingerprint, and then link to a copy of the full key
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npdoty I think public GPG keys might actually be the kind of thing where repeating yourself is particularly important
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bret ah ive seen that actually
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bret since keyfiles are commonly exchanged right?
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npdoty they change infrequently and it's valuable to have independent confirmation
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npdoty and as a security measure, it's useful to have multiple channels with separate copies, so that you can't as easily be impersonated and so that others have more options for finding your key
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bret gpg/pgp is still beyond me. need to learn more
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npdoty also, fwiw, I think we should be more supportive of RSS as one mechanism among others
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npdoty ... and that it's particularly valuable for the small sites that often make up the indieweb
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npdoty ... even though it's definitely worth noting all of its implementation problems
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npdoty aaronpk, I think keybase.io has looked at the possibility of verifying claims of ownership of a URL
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npdoty ... as I've seen it in screenshots/demos, even though it's not implemented right now
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KevinMarks Bitcoin: makes money as simple and straightforward as PGP
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npdoty catches up on the rest of the thread, sees that aaronpk already saw the keybase-issue thread on domain verification
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KevinMarks they didn't use /.well-known/ ? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5785
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KevinMarks maybe it isn't well-known enough
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npdoty yeah, I was just about to point them to that RFC
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss-2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-rss-2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@Morosoph RT @MailpileTeam: Pretty exciting #IndieWeb development- an encrypted webmention conversation using PGP made easy via keybase.io http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/444936247950471168)
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@RohanPinto Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444936478942978048)
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aaronpk some major refactoring going on in p3k today
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aaronpk should make it easier to make changes, and apply changes to caseorganic.com too
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aaronpk also I really want to ditch my atom template, this is one of those times generating a separate atom feed is causing me extra work
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@almereyda @IndieWebCampUK i've just found out there'll be an @indiewebcamp in EU>UK this year. any details yet? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK is still empty. (twitter.com/_/status/444963613519142912)
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@brentsimmons Indieweb and feeds: http://inessential.com/2014/03/15/indieweb_and_feeds (twitter.com/_/status/444968054846271488)
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@widefido RT @brentsimmons: Indieweb and feeds: http://inessential.com/2014/03/15/indieweb_and_feeds (twitter.com/_/status/444968683949924352)
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bret Received a responce to my response: "Please read the comment guidelines -- that's a blog post you put in my comments section, a highly opinionated one that is not responsive to my post. No problem with that, but it belongs in your space, not mine. Thanks Dave"
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@Strabd "Until then, we use what works -- for us." http:///2014/03/15/re-dave-winer/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444971018973487104)
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bret weird, why did my url get cropped out aaronpk?
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