#indiewebcamp 2014-03-16

2014-03-16 UTC
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/32127/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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@ForbiddenMatrix : IndieWeb: feed page. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394929028?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444992682264248321)
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@scriptingnews : Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394928989 (twitter.com/_/status/444994492408401920)
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@scriptingnews : IndieWeb: feed page. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394929028 (twitter.com/_/status/444994493758963712)
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@scriptingfeed : Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394928989?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444994498662109186)
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@scriptingfeed : Scripting News: Indieweb and RSS. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394928989?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444994498775351297)
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@scriptingfeed : IndieWeb: feed page. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394929028?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/444994499454857216)
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@fnkey : IndieWeb: feed page. http://publicnotepad.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/#a1394929028 (twitter.com/_/status/444998843633913856)
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@GeekGawk Indieweb and Feeds - http://www.geekgawk.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-feeds/ (twitter.com/_/status/445015673702338560)
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KartikPrabhu man! the dave winer article is getting a lot of traction
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kylewm it's kind of too bad
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kylewm (my impression is that) not getting bogged down in "which XML format is better?" discussions is kind of the point :)
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KartikPrabhu I don't really buy the whole "market-forces" argument mostly... It is too bad that there is no feed-reader reading mf2 but feed-readers are not that popular of a thign anyway
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@GeekGawk #geek #nerd #gamer: Indieweb and Feeds - Dave Winer: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb... http://www.geekgawk.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-feeds/ #GoogleReader (twitter.com/_/status/445025375622402048)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-3/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-3/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@GeekGawk Indieweb and Feeds - http://www.geekgawk.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-feeds-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/445032135515054080)
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@objectivec Inessential: Indieweb and Feeds: Dave Winer: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb wiki represents thei... http://inessential.com/2014/03/15/indieweb_and_feeds (twitter.com/_/status/445040927619309568)
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@LudwickWalt feed - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (twitter.com/_/status/445069293453983744)
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bret KartikPrabhu, yeah i though the market forces argument could use some more elaboration. and I also dont get why getting groups of people together to work on projects is not influential.
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bret or at least as argued
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bret i wrote a response, to which he deleted, as well as a link to a copy of it on my site
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KartikPrabhu yes. I did see your response... it was admittedly too long to be a comment, but then Dave's response was quite hostile
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bret I emailed him to hopefully get a more clear response and am tempted to post it... what is etticate on posting email exchanges to the internet
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bret post hist response*
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bret yeah it was long, but then done delete the permalink to a legitamate response! very dismissive
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KartikPrabhu I would just ask if it is ok to post the email exchange, or just post a summary of the exchange if that is not ok-ed
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bret dont*
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bret ok gtg
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KartikPrabhu cool
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@wtem IndieWeb's feeds article is weird & hostile: http://indiewebcamp.com/feed strange 4 group that is supposed to encourage open web /via @davewiner (twitter.com/_/status/445112858636873728)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-4/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-4/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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lloyddavis.co.uk edited /events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (+88) (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /aggregators (+12) "added [[reader]] to see also" (view diff)
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barnabywalters There are too many pages about readers — /reader, /feed_reader, /aggregators
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acegiak barnabywalters: agreed
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acegiak the idea was they're all slightly different things
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barnabywalters morning acegiak!
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barnabywalters acegiak: yeah that’s true. but it means a lot of information is duplicated
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barnabywalters and, reading through /feed_reader and /aggregators they seem to be talking about exactly the same thing
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acegiak yeah. idea =/= reality
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /h-feed (+1) "/* See Also */ moved feed to legacy, no longer focusing on legacy plumbing" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-5/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://scriptingecho.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/indieweb-and-rss-5/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed (+2785) "Cleaned up, focused definition on current technology, added attendees section with comprehensive examples, how to mark up and consume with relevant examples and references, tidied up past work and criticism" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed (+70) "/* IndieWebCamp Attendees publishing Feeds */ signed ugliness assertion" (view diff)
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barnabywalters okay, I tidied the feed page and added a bunch of examples+documentation, focused and deemphasised the criticism of legacy plumbing, linked to various references
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed (+252) "/* IndieWebCamp Attendees publishing Feeds */ added links to large lists of examples of people publishing microformats feeds" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed (+1) "/* Backward Compatibility */ l3 header" (view diff)
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@GBDataStream Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/445181377429127168)
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@Qyooh http://scripting.smallpict.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html Indieweb and RSS (twitter.com/_/status/445181844691386369)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed (-125) "/* Criticism */ removed duplicate link, streamlined paragraph" (view diff)
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acegiak I'm assuming that only comments that agree with Winer's point of view get published on the article's comment section?
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barnabywalters acegiak: yeah, see logs from yesterday from http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-03-15#t1394908595
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barnabywalters admittedly bret’s comment was really long, but to remove it completely and not leave a link seems overly hostile
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acegiak barnabywalters: I think I'm gonna try and do something constructive rather than read more about the winer thing because it's making me sad
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barnabywalters acegiak++
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Loqi acegiak has 2 karma
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barnabywalters better to ignore negativity and those who choose to spread it rather than making something useful
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acegiak pretty much
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acegiak barnaby: thoughts on including the h-cite in posts in your feed reader?
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /feed_reader (+837) "Merged in content from /aggregator, streamlined criticism, put focus on indieweb perspective" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /aggregators () "(-1741) merged content into feed_reader, replaced with redirect" (view diff)
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barnabywalters acegiak: as in, showing in-reply-to inline? it’s on my todo list, as replies look a bit out of context at the moment
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barnabywalters also adding the ability to filter replies out
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acegiak barnabywalters: emily says hello
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barnabywalters waves to emily
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acegiak I'm trying to work out what the best ux for my blog is for showing/hiding reblogs etc
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waterpigs.co.uk created /feed-reader (+25) "Redirected page to [[feed reader]]" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /feedreader (+25) "Redirected page to [[feed reader]]" (view diff)
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acegiak and emily is flapping her hands around excitedly now
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barnabywalters YAY
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barnabywalters got to go now, need to prepare for icelandic expedition in the afternoon. bye!
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acegiak bye!
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acegiak (emily is jealous)
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@attribyte Indieweb and RSS http://scripting.com/2014/03/15/indiewebAndRss.html (twitter.com/_/status/445211853375815680)
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bnvk aaronpk: I loved your PGP encrypted webmentions, have you been documenting that anywhere on the wiki?
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bnvk or is this page barnabywalters and I made yesterday the start http://indiewebcamp.com/pgp ?
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tantek good work barnabywalters
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tantek going to apply a few consistent cross-page headlines
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@stefanperson RT @MailpileTeam: Pretty exciting #IndieWeb development- an encrypted webmention conversation using PGP made easy via keybase.io http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/445235099429130241)
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tantek cool!
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tantek.com edited /feed (+498) "more cross-page consistent headings, group How To, add projects used to publish, add tantek.com as another indieweb example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /feed (+4) "sub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /feed (+31) "/* Past Work */ note specific history year and link to timeline subhead for more feed history" (view diff)
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unreally.com profile jack edited /idno (+44) (view diff)
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@jreschke RT @rcade: Consuming RSS and Atom is "problematic and fragile," claims @indiewebcamp. RSS? Yes. Atom? Hell no. That spec is bulletproof. (twitter.com/_/status/445248961591644160)
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@GeekGawk #geek #nerd #gamer: Indieweb and Feeds - Dave Winer: If this article about feeds on the IndieWeb... http://www.geekgawk.com/2014/03/15/indieweb-and-feeds/ #GoogleReader (twitter.com/_/status/445271897190567936)
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@kacphl @theevocater build out OpenSrc tools like gerrit that can be deployed anywhere and go #indieweb on src hosting like it used to be. (twitter.com/_/status/445282703383207936)
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basal are relative links okay for u-urls?
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KartikPrabhu basal: mf2 parsers are supposed to make them absolute anyway while parsing
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basal KartikPrabhu, coolio
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caseorga_ !tell tantek - willobl00 (at MIT media lab and Harvard Berkman Cneter made this viz of IndieWeb) http://viz.bl00cyb.org/indieweb/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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caseorga_ pfenwick: HELLO!
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