#indiewebcamp 2016-05-18

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techlifeweb
snarfed: thanks. Just thinking of ways I can be more lazy...errr efficient :) assuming I want to always posse to twitter
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GWG
Did someone say...I'm using WordPress?
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techlifeweb
GWG: I did
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GWG
techlifeweb: Anything I can help with?
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GWG
I spend a lot of time on that issue
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techlifeweb
GWG: not at the moment. I rebuilt my site recently and had a few issues to figure out but I think it's working now
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GWG
techlifeweb: How can we make it easier?
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techlifeweb
GWG: Well, that's something Im thinking about. At the moment, turning from template issues and moving to thinking about posse/pesos ease of use
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@MusicTechPolicy
RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb
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@seanmaynard
RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
@krynsky @smurthas @temas @jeremie @lockerproject @Medium I'm leaning towards a redundant array of inexpensive cloud services #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Indieweb Post Kinds" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/#post-77573
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@WordPressTTT
New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415668 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"
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Loqi
[indieweb] "David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415668
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boffosocko.com
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Congratulations! If you're not using the SemPress theme, you might also enjoy https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2 which will do some of the mf2 material (as best it can)" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/congratulations-if-youre-not-using-the-sempress-theme-you-might
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Welcome to the #IndieWeb! There are lots of other goodies and help to be found at http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/welcome-to-the-indieweb-there-are-lots-of-other-goodies
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boffosocko.com
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG
Good evening, tantek
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tantek
GWG, I'm running into person-tagging scaling challenges
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tantek
from a UI perspective
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GWG
Oh?
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GWG
I thought you used text based his.
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tantek
Yes I do. But it is so cumbersome for me to manually tag more than a few people that I gave up on person-tagging a photo with ~50 people
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tantek
It would probably take me more than an hour. So I reached a practical limitation in my current approach, and must design+write more code to improve the situation
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GWG
Does anyone have an interface that can tag so many easily?
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tantek
silos do
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GWG
So, document their interface and use elements that work for you
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tantek
exactly
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GWG
In my case, I rarely person tag.
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tantek
this is the example photo where I gave up on the thought of manual person-tagging via text markup: http://tantek.com/2016/138/t1/bay-to-breakers-nov-project-rainbow
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Bay To Breakers 2016, @nov_project rainbow. #latergram #nofilter
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tantek
hmm - that alt text makes me wonder if (photo) would be better than "a jpg"
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GWG
I will think on it, but not sure if I might be able to help.
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tantek
I appreciate the conversation
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tantek
I wonder if there are "face-like" recognition libraries
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[kevinmarks]
yes there are; I think google has a cloud one
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aaronpk
"jpg" feels like protocol level information. I care whether something is a photo or a screenshot, not which algorithm it's encoded with.
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tantek
aaronpk that is good feedback
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tantek
the problem is that the auto_link function is providing this fallback and I'm not sure it has anyway of inferring anything other than filetype
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[kevinmarks]
I had a js one that sued canvas at one point
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kylewm
Glowing Bear shows #b2b105 as an ugly puce color
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Loqi
kylewm: KevinMarks left you a message 15 hours, 56 minutes ago: is mapping BEM markup to microformats2 a good idea, or a dodgy hack? https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/blob/909fe5dc811f32e4e591922ce10c2dd8d3c9a743/mf2py/backcompat.py#L90 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463493676676
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kylewm
kevnmarks: I really liked tom's suggestion to make back compat extensible/configurable
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KevinMarks
yes, I think that makes sense, especially fi you can key by domain
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KevinMarks
as it already adds quite a bit of overhead, you don't want all the magic words in every parse
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kylewm
yepyep. as long as we don't accidentally implement a DSL in JSON :P
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kylewm
JSLT?
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KevinMarks
thing is the page had Schema markup in, but looking at the BEM classes they used was much easier
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KevinMarks
did you see my display too?
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KevinMarks
also, the output is clean h-recipe too
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kylewm
ha no i didn't, that's awesome
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Loqi
[indieweb] "likes Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me!" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/13885-2/
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KevinMarks
so the next trick would be to use micropub and silo.pub to make it easy fro people to reblog their favorite recipes
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KevinMarks
I can feed the indiecard for the recipe inot the parser and it's the same
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks
!tell tantek there is a js face recogntion library that works in canvas in the browser https://github.com/liuliu/ccv
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+399) "/* person tags */ want to tag lots of people, possibly with auto-suggest UI"
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tantek
need to figure out how to do area-tags for those though I think
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Loqi
tantek: KevinMarks left you a message 4 minutes ago: there is a js face recogntion library that works in canvas in the browser https://github.com/liuliu/ccv http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463551920928
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Loqi
[indieweb] "johnjohnston on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by johnjohnston https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415982
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KevinMarks
I have vague memories of us talking about that in microformats a decade ago
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tantek
yes we did but never solved it
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tantek
we gave Greg the tools to research and document it but I don't think he followed through
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tantek
I wonder if the annotation folks or IIIF folks have made any progress
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Loqi
photo-note-examples
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tantek
yes we did make some progress
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tantek
more recently we almost made img / map / area work, except it didn't map (so to speak) well to micropub (ben_thatmustbeme discovered this)
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tantek
I'd still like to see tag-replies working
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KevinMarks
what are tag-replies?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "tag-replies" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LZ
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tantek
tag-replies are /tag-reply
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loqi.me
created /tag-replies (+22) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463552668021 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
can't remember if he bridgy backfeed feature requested them
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KevinMarks
that was something I found with h-recipe: 'ingredient' vs 'instructions'
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tantek
'instructions' is kind of like a singular of "process"
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tantek
it's not really a plural in the normal sense
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tantek
not in "plain" english usage anyway. maybe in "processor instruction(s)" context
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KevinMarks
right, but we suggest e-instructions, but actually marking them up as a list is better
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KevinMarks
when I used e-instructions I got a lot of cruft from the source
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tantek
interesting
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sknebel
KevinMarks: re recipe parsing, you might find this interesting (I don't know if h-recipe can express that level of detail)
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tantek
still possible to introduce p-instruction as an update, and then fallback to the plural
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tantek.com
edited /tag-reply (+656) "/* Silo Examples */ backfeed, Bridgy Feature request"
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@IndieWebCampDE
Noch 1 Woche bis zu Deutschlands erstem Homebrew Website Club: Am 25.5. bei @tollwerk in Nürnberg — wer ist dabei? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-25-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg
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@jkphl
Excited to host Germany's 1. Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday. Who wants to join in? :) #indieweb https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampDE/status/732829334130556929
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KevinMarks
we did spend a bit of time looking into units, but the amount of markup needed seemed prohibitive
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@egoexpress
RT @IndieWebCampDE Noch 1 Woche bis zu Deutschlands erstem Homebrew Website Club: Am 25.5. bei @tollwerk in Nürnberg — wer ist dabei? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-25-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg
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KevinMarks
sknebel: h-recipe could be extended if this kind of data was published
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KevinMarks
I alos noticed that the BBC had prep time and cook time, not just duration
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tantek.com
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@TeraEuro
RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb
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@hugo4de
RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb
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RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb
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j4y_funabashi
morning all
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tommorris
!tell tantek alpha django/python implementation of meta http-equiv status: https://github.com/tommorris/django-httpequiv-status
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tommorris.org
edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+111) "adding Python implementation"
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Jeena
now I just also need the rsvps from meetup.com on my website; wonder when this will be added to bridgy ^^
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Loqi
tantek: tommorris left you a message 2 hours, 34 minutes ago: alpha django/python implementation of meta http-equiv status: https://github.com/tommorris/django-httpequiv-status http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463577030120
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Loqi
tommorris has 95 karma
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@hs0ucy
@suttonkoeser Cool! And how do you push to twitter? With webmention.io too?
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tommorris
tantek: np. was a nice little "get back into writing Python" invitation
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tommorris
sometimes, when in the middle of a large, fiddly mess, building a very small, simple thing and getting it out there is a win
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tantek
indeed. and your implementation has helped inform me about how I can further improve the spec
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tommorris
tantek: it's kind of a proof of concept - if you are using Django, there's not really much of a need to be able to set status codes with a http-equiv. but one implementation is better than zero.
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tantek
kylewm implemented it as part of Redwind's Webmention receiving processing
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tantek
but I think yours is the first library
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tommorris
eventually, shouldn't be too hard for someone to build, say, an nginx or apache plugin which is a more useful place to put such code for a static site
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petermolnar
Long web?
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snarfed1
longnow++
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Loqi
longnow has 1 karma
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PFMurph
wow
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PFMurph
that is cool!
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aaronpk
this site actually has great examples of different card-style previews of posts https://hi.co/
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
should "410" and "410 Gone" be treated the same?
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tantek
yes, only the numerical code part of the HTTP status matters AFAIK
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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hs0ucy
help
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hs0ucy
oups sorry about that :P
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tommorris
tantek: I think you misunderstand. the Django middleware isn't a consumer implementation. it's a proof-of-concept server implementation.
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tommorris
It checks all responses and rewrites the status code to match the http-equiv if it is there
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tommorris
tantek: the only thing I'm slightly worried about is if it got widely adopted, it's something that would have to be scrubbed from any user input. if someone were to submit a 410 meta http-equiv, then Google were to index it...
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tommorris
as in, it were in the body. then the server picks that HTML up and starts serving that page as 410 Gone. SEO funtimes!
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aaronpk
seems like it might be best to only look for the meta tag in the html head?
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tommorris
there's also some issues with how to handle streaming. will need to find or write a streaming HTML parser. if someone is sending a very large document, would need to handle that. (though if you are serving a 401, it probably ought to not be huge.)
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KevinMarks
the meta should be in the first few packets though
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@uranther
Sneak preview of my personal website done in #PhoenixFramework and skeleton-scss. Gonna be #indieweb! https://twitter.com/uranther/status/732976185802641409/photo/1
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KevinMarks
wasn't there some limit on how close to the top meta should be? I suppose someone could have made a facebook meta clump wiht a data url for the photo, but that would be daft
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tantek
aaronpk - correct, the spec says only in the head
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aaronpk
oh my. 2 weeks until indieweb summit.
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@MarCarring
RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.indieauthoranswers.com Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 42
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@ReadersGazette
BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.indieauthoranswers.com Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 42
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@Weifarer
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@ReadersGazette
BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.indieauthoranswers.com Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 76
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KevinMarks
indieauth, or answers?
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tantek
tommorris: I guess I didn't understand the default behavior aspect of the django implementation you made
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tantek
e.g. does HttpEquivStatusMiddleware get automatically instantiated and process_response gets called?
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tommorris
tantek: yep, by Django/WSGI. You could use it to serve HTML files. (In practice, you generally don't serve static files from Django.)
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tommorris
Django Middleware is used specifically for doing stuff like parsing responses and changing them. I've got some Django middleware to make it so that when you go to a .json URL (or send an Accept header asking for JSON), it parses the HTML with mf2py and returns the JSON
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tantek.com
edited /meta_http-equiv_status (-56) "/* Implementations */ fix django implementation description, subsections for Server Requirements, Consuming Application Requirements"
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tommorris
tantek: thanks. ;-)
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tantek
sigh, google code archive bug reports are dead: https://code.google.com/archive/p/google-buzz-api/issues/115
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tantek
I'm just going to hypothesize that this is because the *database* behind those bug reports was yet another piece to archive (and thus fail)
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aaronpk
what's wrong with the url?
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tantek
I'll give you a hint: "There was an error obtaining the issue: {} " was not the content of the bug report :P
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bear
code.google.com was deprecated and most projects moved to github
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tantek
error obtaining the issue [from the database server that went offline]
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tantek
bear, this was a bug filed against a project which was deprecated *before* code.google.com was deprecated
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tantek
lol ok it's a js;dr problem
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tantek
ok nevermind, database were not the problem
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tantek
so that's actually kind of neat. google code goes down, but this issue is still somewhat readable.
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tantek
new itch: really want automatic id attributes on my hN (h1, h2, h3, ... h6) tags when they lack them, kind of like automatic slug generation
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aaronpk
totally. mediawiki does this well.
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tantek
sorta
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KevinMarks
fragmentions, dude
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tantek
it doesn't drop punctuation well enough and escapes into ugly things
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tantek
kevinmarks I often use a list at the top of my document to summarize and then have headings with the same text, so fragmentions would fail at that
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tantek
where I want to link to the latter heading, not the first instance of the heading text
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KevinMarks
ah, yes that is an issue with the wiki too
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Loqi
[indieweb] "UX/UI enhancement: Blank syndication links being syndicated · Issue #23 · dshanske/syndication-links
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gRegorLove
That [woodwind] confused me for a second. Thought Loqi was doing something crazy with Push from Woodwind, heh
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Loqi
yeah!
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tantek
yeah what was that?
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Loqi
That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply http://indiewebcamp.com/that
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gRegorLove
Just Markdown in the original post
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tantek
markdown--
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Loqi
markdown has -2 karma
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gRegorLove
Syndicated to Github, so I guess it makes sense
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tantek
for yet another example of being in contradiction of its primary principle of being readable (not confusing) plain text
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@sirmlivesey
@Citizen751908 It really shouldn't be beyond the realms to adopt an indieweb hcard type thing. Enter all your social accounts and
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Indieweb and tea in the morning Syndicated to:" http://boffosocko.com/2016/05/18/55672680/
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Jeena
Todays HWC GOT at a new venue was nice, but I need a bigger battery for my laptop, basically no venue we had yet had access to electricy for us.
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tantek
generator?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Indieweb and tea in the morning
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tantek
Loqi, why so many blank lines/
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Loqi
woot!
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gRegorLove
My mind translated that "HWC Game of Thrones"
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gRegorLove
And I don't even watch the show, hah
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aaronpk
probably implied p-name
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tantek
pretty sure we decided that whitepsace processing for p-* properties can compress/collapse all that
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tantek
s/whitepsace/whitespace
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: pretty sure we decided that whitespace processing for p-* properties can compress/collapse all that
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aaronpk
oh it's hentry backcompat
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tantek
darnit
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tantek
that we've definitely resolved on
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aaronpk
is there an open issue on php-mf2 for it?
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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tantek
"Imply properties only on explicit h-x class name root microformat element (no backcompat roots) "
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tantek
that should fix a ton of this noise
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Jeena
I have now a list of three people who don't have facebook nor use feeds but want to get notified when the next hwc is
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aaronpk
i don't understand that
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aaronpk
Jeena: they can sign up for /this-week email newsletter :)
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tantek
true!
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tantek
aaronpk: "hentry" is a backcompat root, per http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat draft standards suitable for embedding data in ...
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aaronpk
in this case there's no mf2 on that page. it's just a matter of getting the mf1 hentry to be parsed into something reasonable.
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tantek
aaronpk: right, the implied p-name does not apply to mf1
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tantek
so parsers should not be generating it
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tantek
but as for "something reasonable" that's a harder problem :P:
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tantek
viewing source on the wordpress.com example, there's an entry-summary which should be back compat parsed
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tantek
and that should be "reasonable" for Loqi
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GWG
Afternoon
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tantek
that is, given no / empty p-name, Loqi could use / truncate the p-summary
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aaronpk
i don't actually understand where the … came from
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GWG
I always run to my phone when I hear WordPress
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tantek
gotta fix this overimplying of properties for compat roots
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tantek
that's clearly the root (so to speak) of so many problems
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aaronpk
good thing we have loqi being a canary for these things then
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gRegorLove
php-mf2 currently just converts legacy mf1 to mf2, then runs the mf2 parsing. Shouldn't be too difficult to keep track of the mf1 state. I'll need to read up on backcompat
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tantek
gRegorLove: the mf2 parsing algorithm requires keeping track of whether a root (or property) class was from a backcompat conversion or not
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gRegorLove
Understood
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GWG
I appreciate how Chris Aldrich and his enthusiasm keeps moving the needle
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tantek
aaronpk, gRegorLove looks like microformatsnode correctly does NOT imply the p-name, yet strangely includes some JS in the "summary" http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrisaldrich.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F05%2F18%2F55672680%2F&callback=&dateformat=auto
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gRegorLove
Is a GH issue being opened? I can, if not.
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tantek
taking a wild guess that Brighton didn't happen (I think adactio is in Boston for AEA)
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miklb
an event apart
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tantek.com
edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (-178) "Brighton canceled, organizer in Boston. DC hasn't found a new venue yet."
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aaronpk
speaking of adactio, the video from his talk in germany is online now! https://adactio.com/links/10634
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Jeremy Keith on Vimeo
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Jeena
hm 514km accuracy for geolocation from my Firefox ...
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tantek
what is Tilt?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Tilt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10L_
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KevinMarks
hm, I may have broken twitter by chaining >150 tweets into one reply
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aaronpk
ooh does noterlive do that now?
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KevinMarks
yes, changed it this week based on suggetsion by kyle
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aaronpk
awesome
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KevinMarks
wondering if I should do it for each speaker, or have a way to break the chain
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KevinMarks
(well I can break it by relaoding the page
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aaronpk
per session makes sense, like how you'd end up posting it on a blog
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KevinMarks
right, a 2 hour keynote is a special case
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KevinMarks
I'll look at their collections api
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KevinMarks
also, I need to add micropub so I don't have to make the posts by hand and be late fro lunch
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KevinMarks
(not having micropub on my own site makes that 2 itches)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Scott Kingery" by Scott Kingery http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30592
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KevinMarks
hah, because of the local caching by Peter Wilson, refreshing the page just flushes the previous tweet id, not anything else
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KevinMarks
so I can create a section break that way
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uranther
what's the opinion about Google's Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP)? Is this something that will disappear in a couple of years?
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KevinMarks
that's a tricky one - as it's open sourced, they can't sunset ti completely, but if they stopped favouring them in search then the point goes away
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KevinMarks
I'm hoping they will take some of the criticisms of replacing native elements unnecessarily on board
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KevinMarks
and it will then be more like POSH
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sknebel
doesn't it right now rely on their CDN to load components?
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sknebel
that's another weakpoint, depending on how strict implementations are with that
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uranther
So it may be worthwhile to implement on my website, then?
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uranther
I just don't hear much about it - so it seems like the wider web community is not caring about it. But maybe I'm not listening in the right places.
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edited /checkin (+263) "PESOS checkin with OwnYourCheckin"
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miklb
interesting
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aaronpk
wow i should start using that
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gRegorLove
uranther: I think larger publishers will definitely be adopting AMP if they haven't already. Hosted Wordpress.com supports it as well, I believe.
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gRegorLove
uranther: For me, it's not worth implementing on my site, but maybe it is for you.
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gRegorLove
What is Accelerated Mobile Pages?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Accelerated Mobile Pages" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10La
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gRegorLove
What is AMP?
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Loqi
AMP is Accelerated Mobile Pages, a Google-led project that speeds up a subset of HTML through caching and dependencies on google: http://indiewebcamp.com/AMP
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uranther
gRegorLove: I agree, it seems mostly helpful for content-heavy websites like NYTimes. I was thinking it would be a fun exercise to see how fast I can get my (content-light) website to load.
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gRegorLove
Yeah, it's definitely a (kind of odd) response to JS-heavy, add-heavy sites.
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gRegorLove
s/add-heavy/ad-heavy/
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Loqi
gRegorLove meant to say: Yeah, it's definitely a (kind of odd) response to JS-heavy, ad-heavy sites.
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[kevinmarks]
Known generates AMP pages by default
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aaronpk
there's a conversation about linkedin happening in another chat room i'm in, (can I call Slack channels a chat room? is that allowed?) and I am wondering if there's some part of the appeal of linkedin that we could bring to indieweb resumes
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snarfed
still doesn't have a linkedin account
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aaronpk
one of the benefits for me of having my resume on linkedin is that they've gone to the trouble of figuring out how to lay things out and where to put things, so I just fill in the details
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snarfed
isn't proud
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aaronpk
when i'm staring at a blank HTML page, there's a lot more cognitive stress about what to write first, that it makes it harder to actually put my resume info on my site
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aaronpk
so I wonder if there was some sort of resume template I could copy, if that would make it easier to do that on my site
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[kevinmarks]
We did have h-resume that was based on LinkedIn among others
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aaronpk
right but that's not the same as UI/display guidelines
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[kevinmarks]
True that. Playing with h-review and indiecards was interesting there.
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tantek
aaronpk that analysis about cognitive stress is spot on
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tantek
and it's true for resumes, for 'contact' (aboutme style) sites, etc.
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aaronpk
i guess that's why people like the little js widgets you can drop into a page too
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tantek
sure, that's the flip side of it
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aaronpk
last.fm listening stats came to mind
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tantek
but also why squarespace templates are appealing
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tantek
reads logs
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tantek
sees Jeena's query re: meetup
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tantek
what is meetup
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb
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tantek
what is meetup.com
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup.com" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lc
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tantek
!tell Jeena It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
aaronpk, speaking of having others provide templates to re-use, works for prose too :D
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tantek
what is WSGI?
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tantek
apparently LA is canceled tonight
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tantek.com
edited /wsgi (+178) "stub, dfn, see also"
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@calum_ryan
Geolocation added tonight on https://t.co/ODxfofS0xn, next up displaying current weather status for posts (coz I'm British) #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/733064309715111937)
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tantek
ok I'm starting to get annoyed at the FB practice of people "tagging you" in a post with a location masquerading as a checkin which FB then notifies you as "So and so said they were with you at location"
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aaronpk
heh oops. foursquare fixed that already too.
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tantek
oh right they did
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tantek
well FB has that distinction too - you can mention people in the prose of the checkin, instead of "tagging" them in it
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aaronpk
hm so something about their interface encourages people to use the tagging feature "inappropriately"?
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tantek
it's just that people (or their reaction to the UI? maybe mobile UI? mobile app UI?) seem to actively choose to use "tag someone in this post" as a FBism FYI
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tantek
one of the few situations that compel me to "untag"
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tantek
uh oh
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tantek
what is untag
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "untag" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Le
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tantek
what is remove tag
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "remove tag" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lf
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tantek
Hmm, maybe I can blow that off until *someone* actually expresses interest in publishing/consuming "tag-of" /tag-reply posts first
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aaronpk
nerdsniped yourself?
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tantek
then we can talk about "untag-of" :P
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tantek
I'm interesting in supporting publishing "tag-of" /tag-reply posts
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tantek
if anyone is interested in supporting receiving/consuming them!
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tantek
what is a page?
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Loqi
page is short for webpage on the IndieWeb, and can by default be marked up with h-entry (like body class=h-entry) for link-preview purposes unless the page serves a more specific purpose like a homepage or an event https://indiewebcamp.com/page
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tantek
what is a Facebook Page?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Page" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lg
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tantek
A Facebook Page is a form of identity on Facebook that has its own profile like other identities, and a set of administrators who can take action on Facebook as the identity of that Facebook Page.
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loqi.me
created /Facebook_Page (+221) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463612622568 and dfn added by tantek"
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GWG
I seem to be stuck here for a bit.
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GWG
Anyone have any thoughts to occupy me?
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edited /Facebook_Page (+1226) "examples, features, pages feed with UI screenshot, see also"
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tantek
GWG what kinds of response posts do you find you post the most often?
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GWG
Bookmark.
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GWG
Although I classify anything I have a shareable reaction to as a bookmark,which I have in the past struggled with
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GWG
And now with reacji I am doubly confused
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tantek.com
edited /Facebook_Page (+171) "/* Pages Feed */ empty pages feed"
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (+48) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ LA on hold til 2016-07-13"
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rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2016/Leaders (+13) "/* RSVP */"
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (+16) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ No Brighton or DC today"
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rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2016/Leaders (+0) "pshht alphabet schmalphabet"
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-56) "no Brighton, LA, DC today"
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gRegorLove
tantek: I disabled the ability for people to tag me in FB checkin posts for that reason
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edited /Events (-95) "Göteborg, Portland, SF tonight. archive last week's HWC"
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tantek
gRegorLove: still about 80-90% legit uses for me
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gRegorLove
I actually don't recall if that means they can't tag me in checkins at all, or if I have to approve it before it appears publicly. Might be the latter.
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gRegorLove
Will the paid registrations show up on http://2016.indieweb.org/, or just on the wiki?
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove
Looks like there have been 13 paid registrations