#indiewebcamp 2016-04-17

2016-04-17 UTC
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[dym_cx] slack2irc_bridge_test.sh|echo
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mblaney I mentioned yesterday that adding a token to a webmention endpoint could be used to track urls, just noticed aaronpk does exactly that with webmention.rocks update test :-)
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aaronpk !tell mblaney yeah! It uses the token to create a one-use webmention endpoint. in practice it's a CSRF prevention technique, but it's using it to make sure you're fetching the endpoint again for sending an update
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Hello, aaronpk.
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GWG Is it morning already?
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aaronpk good morning
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aaronpk yep
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GWG aaronpk: Are you awake enough for brain picking on some webmention matters?
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aaronpk i might need some coffee first
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GWG I can wait.
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GWG Unless I nod off.
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@webrocker Indiewebcamp, day two - where the magic happens… Symbolbild #nueww @indiewebcamp @tollwerk https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/721581002750091264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721581002750091264)
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[dym_cx] hey guys, wanted to share yesterday, but it was too late, so, a .SomeLongTLD for 0.88$ for 1 year: https://www.namecheap.com/promos/2016/crazy-88.aspx
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miklb just be wary of the renewal cost if you intend to keep it
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[dym_cx] considering how many projects getting abandoned in 3-6 months – it's cheaper to buy than not to :D
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@jkphl RT @webrocker Indiewebcamp, day two - where the magic happens… Symbolbild #nueww @indiewebcamp @tollwerk https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/721581002750091264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721584133420527616)
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aaronpk Some of those .88 are a good few but it's a little misleading when the renewal cost is like $60
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aaronpk s/few/deal
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: Some of those .88 are a good deal but it's a little misleading when the renewal cost is like $60
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[dym_cx] aaronpk: ofc, if you 100% sure to support a project after a year
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[dym_cx] but "opensource" is more about "getting it out there and see if it sticks" than "maintaining it till i die even if im the only one using it"a catchy TLD might help to gain a project some traction
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[dym_cx] s/a catchy TLD might help to gain a project some traction/a catchy TLD might help a project gain some traction/
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Loqi [dym_cx] meant to say: but "opensource" is more about "getting it out there and see if it sticks" than "maintaining it till i die even if im the only one using it"a catchy TLD might help a project gain some traction
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GWG aaronpk: Are you going to stream the demos?
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aaronpk GWG: yep! Did Hangouts work well yesterday?
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GWG For the opening
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GWG But I didn't see any session links. I may have missed it
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aaronpk We just had talky up after
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GWG I missed the link I guess
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KevinMarks the screen wasn't very legible- consider screensharing too
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aaronpk Today probably won't stream the hack sessions cause it's not that interesting to watch
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GWG I was thinking the demos
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aaronpk Getting the screen onto the stream is challenging because people plug in their own computers
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GWG HDMI input?
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GWG They do make video recorders that can act as a source
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GWG But yes, challenging
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GWG We always have presentation issues.
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aaronpk I have a little device that has HDMI in and out so you can put it inline before the projector
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aaronpk but it's just a recorder
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GWG aaronpk, there are ones that they use to record game play
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aaronpk does hangouts let you push a separate stream with a screen share?
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KevinMarks yes, you can add multiple people
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KevinMarks so one video and one screen would work, as long as you're careful about mics
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GWG You disable audio on the screen input
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GWG aaronpk, I'll ask later. Advise when at Peak Coffee Saturation
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aaronpk GWG: heading to venue now
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@jkphl .@indiewebcamp day 2 ahead. Brewing coffee now ... ;) #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721595277388472320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721595277388472320)
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lukasros Unfortunately I can't join you today :( Yesterday was great but I'm not well today and decided to travel home early.
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lukasros Enjoy the hacking sessions!
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@iwontsignuphere @jkphl @indiewebcamp http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lidyluftoS1qa6v7o.gif (twitter.com/_/status/721597442874032132)
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mblaney aaronpk: the webmention endpoint token probably deserves a write up once it's usefulness is more understood.
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Loqi mblaney: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: yeah! It uses the token to create a one-use webmention endpoint. in practice it's a CSRF prevention technique, but it's using it to make sure you're fetching the endpoint again for sending an update http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-16/line/1460872662731
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mblaney I was thinking it might be useful along with the referrer, but that's prone to spoofing. it will be interesting to see what else can be done with it.
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mblaney also aaronpk, if you have time at the moment, wondering what webmention.rocks is referring to with this message: "The post did not provide a URL, using source instead"
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aaronpk Yeah that could be clearer :-) it means there was no URL found in the microformats for the h-entry
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aaronpk so it can only link to the source URL instead. In the case of Bridgy it would mean people would see the Bridgy URL instead of the Twitter URL
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mblaney1 oh ok thanks, I guess I should have it in there then. It could say "canonical URL", but maybe it's not already clear to most people :-)
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mblaney1 s/not//
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Loqi mblaney1 meant to say: oh ok thanks, I guess I should have it in there then. It could say "canonical URL", but maybe it's  already clear to most people :-)
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mblaney1 thanks Loqi for making me clear to myself.
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk mblaney: most of the time people put the u-url permalink on the timestamp of a post
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@jkphl A thousand thanks to our restless party elves @webrocker & @iwontsignuphere! 💕 You're awesome! #indiewebcamp #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721608576754651136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721608576754651136)
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mblaney aaronpk: yeah I have them on a feed page but remove them on permalink pages because redundancy...
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mblaney probably not the smartest decision.
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[dym_cx] cant you use <link rel="canonical" href="permalink">?
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[dym_cx] not for reposts though
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[dym_cx] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Link_types#bookmark
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[dym_cx] link rel="bookmark" it is
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[dym_cx] hm, "Not allowed in these elements", im too out-of-touch
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@dym_cx is that magic wand ducttaped to a laser-pointer or a vibrator? either way very symbolic. /cc @webrocker @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/721612386151608320)
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[dym_cx] oh, its me xD
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voxpelli screenshot of Slacks activity heatmap with color as one dimension, as discussed in Nürnberg: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/304233/slack_heatmap.png
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@jkphl .@indiewebcamp day 2 kicking off now. 3, 2, 1 ... Hack! :) #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721613019533459456/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721613019533459456)
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miklb voxpelli I switched to your webmention end point. Should it pick up webmentions from previous webmentions via bridgy?
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voxpelli miklb: it will only pick up new ones since after you switched to it, there's no import mechanism currently :/
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miklb ok. Just wanted to make sure wasn't something on my end
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acegiak howdy, yall
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 2 minutes ago: have you tried SWAT0 with two other indieweb sites? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-16/line/1460803309538
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@dym_cx RT @EvilTantek My plan is working! Looks like the #indieweb community has gone back to the silo that it most despises: https://www.facebook.com/indiewebcamp?_rdr= (twitter.com/_/status/721622588498296832)
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@inserteffect RT @jkphl Feel free to visit the fantastic Regenzeit restaurant & have more of it https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=463843927090051 #nueww #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/egoexpress/status/721303598575947776 (twitter.com/_/status/721623607588298752)
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Jeena aaronpk, I fixed the bug, thanks for reporting
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aaronpk 👍
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aaronpk I have another one for you
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aaronpk watch this: https://jeena.net/notes/629
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Loqi [Jeena] Note #629
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aaronpk it thinks it's a blog post because it has a p-name property
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aaronpk but the name "Note #629" isn't visible on the page, so it shouldn't really be marked up like that
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Jeena hm
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aaronpk if you move the "p-name" class to the same element as "e-content" then the contents will match and it will look like a "note" instead of an "article"
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@alisa_bagrii О Silos против Открытой социальной сети (Open Social Web) [#indieweb] http://www.everycloudtech.com/silos-vs-open-social-web (twitter.com/_/status/721629148033196032)
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acegiak I need to improve my indieweb twitter ux
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acegiak I keep going back to and using the twitter client
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acegiak on my phone specifically
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aaronpk yeah that's definitely a challenge!
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@ingodibella When connecting to local people is more difficult then building a global community. #recruiting #nueww #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721330927406866433 (twitter.com/_/status/721630500369129472)
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@ingodibella Wishing all at #indiewebcamp a great hackday. Sadly can't come today. Very happy I got to meet you all! #indieweb #iwc16 #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721632325428199425)
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acegiak ugh. apparently tumblr's api doens't have a method to like a post?
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acegiak grrr
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voxpelli took a small detour and made a localstorage based indie-config page: http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ now back to SWAT0-work
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acegiak !tell @tantek realized I support salmentions but not on person-tags so I need to fix that bug
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mblaney voxpelli++ nice one! local storage is the way to go :-)
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Loqi voxpelli has 69 karma
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aaronpk wow that's amazing
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tantek GWG++ for https://make.wordpress.org/core/2016/04/15/call-for-component-maintainers/#comment-29918 (!!!) Go for it!
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Loqi GWG has 153 karma
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tantek !tell GWG congrats on becoming a WordPress Core Maintainer! https://make.wordpress.org/core/components/comments/pings-trackbacks/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@fredericmarx Testing https://fmarx.com/notes/webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/721641579040083968)
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@webrocker Coding side-by-side with @adactio , having my first service worker working on my site. STOKEDtothemax :-D @indiewebcamp #nueww @tollwerk (twitter.com/_/status/721644175045849088)
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b0ssh0g y0
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b0ssh0g are you all hackin' in Nuremberg today?
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voxpelli yeah :)
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tantek voxpelli: thanks for the Slack screenshot / PNG - I've embedded it in brainstorming here: https://indiewebcamp.com/archive_navigation#Slack_activity - feel free to upload your PNG to the wiki if you prefer!
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tantek barnabywalters: FYI: https://indiewebcamp.com/archive_navigation - feel free to braindump!
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voxpelli tantek: great!
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@bennofx RT @jkphl Feel free to visit the fantastic Regenzeit restaurant & have more of it https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=463843927090051 #nueww #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/egoexpress/status/721303598575947776 (twitter.com/_/status/721657088582238208)
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@jkphl RT @ingodibella Wishing all at #indiewebcamp a great hackday. Sadly can't come today. Very happy I got to meet you all! #indieweb #iwc16 #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721665121785933824)
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@jkphl RT @webrocker Coding side-by-side with @adactio , having my first service worker working on my site. STOKEDtothemax :-D @indiewebcamp #nueww @tollwerk (twitter.com/_/status/721665305378996224)
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@mhaseneyer Ye olde Drehleier, live at @indiewebcamp Noremberga. Thou shall have arts happening, my dears nerds! #iwc16 https://twitter.com/mhaseneyer/status/721666861050556416/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721666861050556416)
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@LyndiaKopplin RT @mhaseneyer Ye olde Drehleier, live at @indiewebcamp Noremberga. Thou shall have arts happening, my dears nerds! #iwc16 https://twitter.com/mhaseneyer/status/721666861050556416/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721667026050162689)
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@jkphl A very special @indiewebcamp moment: @BarnabyWalters playing the Hurdy Gurdy! Just epic. #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721668447407616000/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721668447407616000)
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@fredericmarx Not sure if #IndieWebCamp or Game of Thrones: @BarnabyWalters laying down some sick tunes on his Hurdy Gurdy https://twitter.com/fredericmarx/status/721671204818563072/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721671204818563072)
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@jkphl #indiemusic: @aaronpk trying the Hurdy Gurdy @indiewebcamp w/ @BarnabyWalters @t https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721671455616954369/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721671455616954369)
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Jeena barnabywalters, my brother has a project where they make a VST plugin for using pure data patches, that way you can automate the patches from within Ableton Live, etc. http://pd-pulp.net/
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barnabywalters Jeena: nice! I think I’ve seen that somewhere before, awesome that it’s your brother’s work :)
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Jeena :)
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@jkphl # Intense #indieweb hacking w/ @thebetterstory @webrocker @adactio @fredericmarx @webgefrickel @justb3a #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721678325593305088/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721678325593305088)
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@thebetterstory RT @jkphl # Intense #indieweb hacking w/ @thebetterstory @webrocker @adactio @fredericmarx @webgefrickel @justb3a #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721678325593305088/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721678759380848640)
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@adactio RT @webrocker Coding side-by-side with @adactio , having my first service worker working on my site. STOKEDtothemax :-D @indiewebcamp #nueww @tollwerk (twitter.com/_/status/721680419809267712)
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@YOGD RT @jkphl #indiemusic: @aaronpk trying the Hurdy Gurdy @indiewebcamp w/ @BarnabyWalters @t https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721671455616954369/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721681917192482817)
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@hardfire RT @webrocker Coding side-by-side with @adactio , having my first service worker working on my site. STOKEDtothemax :-D @indiewebcamp #nueww @tollwerk (twitter.com/_/status/721682584640557056)
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@jkphl RT @mhaseneyer Ye olde Drehleier, live at @indiewebcamp Noremberga. Thou shall have arts happening, my dears nerds! #iwc16 https://twitter.com/mhaseneyer/status/721666861050556416/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721684345610747905)
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@jkphl More impressions from @indiewebcamp Nuremberg including @BarnabyWalters' epic Hurdy Gurdy performance https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721696314791170048)
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KevinMarks is there a video feed?
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@jkphl Massive shout-out from @indiewebcamp to @openSUSE who made this all possible. Get well soon, @hennevogel! https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721701584145657856)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: there will be. new hangouts live URL
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aaronpk https://plus.google.com/+indiewebcamp
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@dkreuz It was quite easy to redeploy my website with the help of @getlektor. Next step of my #indieweb project finished. (twitter.com/_/status/721701987855806465)
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tantek IndieWebCamp Nuremberg demos about to start!
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jonnybarnes on the wiki, the side menu resources is called discuss but redirects striaght to irc, maybe fix the link and change discuss to irc?
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jonnybarnes i mean the first entry in resources is discuss
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GWG I don't see the video yet
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 45 minutes ago: congrats on becoming a WordPress Core Maintainer! https://make.wordpress.org/core/components/comments/pings-trackbacks/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-17/line/1460886644458
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tantek it's on!
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GWG Apparently, I was in the wrong link
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tantek new website: material.cmiscm.com
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tantek made entirely in javascript
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tantek want to have same look & feel
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tantek on his own website
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tantek wants to make a website where he can show what he can building websites and webapps
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tantek decided to make a website that also has some material design
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tantek (could someone take over minuting?)
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tantek (note-taking?)
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tantek (GWG, can you see / hear?)
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GWG (See...not so well...hear, yes)
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tantek (can anyone remote see / hear the demos?)
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tantek https://plus.google.com/+indiewebcamp
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tantek (GWG can you type what you are hearing?)
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GWG So I want to show them...check your website...te things that you should do on your website and if you need help you can contact me....
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tantek ... today I was writing a meteor app
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tantek ...
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GWG I'm a few seconds behind, you can see.
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GWG (More?)
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GWG It was only one day, I was a little bit drunk but I think I can show you something...
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GWG (Can't see screen though)
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GWG The moment you hit enter, it is automatically updated and I could enter a lot of domains...at the moment, it refreshes on the client side and it is sent to the server. Then I do some tests, but at the moment I can only show the result in the console...
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tantek ... showing this on localhost
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GWG He is parsing different validation and testing services and aggregating them....
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GWG He likes his editor and it is **** fast.
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tantek editor is "Atom" (editor)
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GWG (Trying to decide what is relevant)
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GWG He reiterates his love of his editor.
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kylewm ...Meteor app connecting to PageSpeed API
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GWG That's all.
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voxpelli tantek: the notification that I mentioned before: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/304233/ifttt-notification.jpg
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GWG (It takes me a while to get into documentation)
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aaronpk sorry the screen is hard to see on the feed
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tantek shows page speed test
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tantek with jeena.net
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@nueww RT @jkphl Massive shout-out from @indiewebcamp to @openSUSE who made this all possible. Get well soon, @hennevogel! https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721711803747667969)
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@nueww RT @jkphl More impressions from @indiewebcamp Nuremberg including @BarnabyWalters' epic Hurdy Gurdy performance https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721711838568792064)
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tantek Personal site is: Schrammit.de - My last name is Schramm and I want to call it Let's Schrammit
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tantek Next demo!
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tantek ...
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tantek Jeena
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tantek I need someone who can do likes
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tantek aaronpk: I can do likes
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@nueww RT @jkphl # Intense #indieweb hacking w/ @thebetterstory @webrocker @adactio @fredericmarx @webgefrickel @justb3a #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721678325593305088/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721712117771083777)
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GWG Jeena needs to be liked.
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KevinMarks the page aaron refred to said you were starting at 5pm
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aaronpk lol timezones. i told it 4pm
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GWG KevinMarks: That was the link I was waiting for.
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webgefrickel nice :)
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GWG It said the stream hadn't started, I had to change links.
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tantek Shows Hacker News and his own code
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tantek KevinMarks: what page?
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GWG plus.google.com/+Indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks https://plus.google.com/+indiewebcamp
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GWG Something is nice.
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tantek (GWG, can you please keep taking notes here?)
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KevinMarks I went away to get breakfast and found you had started :(
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tantek Jeena: I posted
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tantek KevinMarks, wiki page said 4pm
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GWG (I can't describe the screen. It is white)
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tantek always trust the indie page over any silo
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tantek :P
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tantek Jeena: I got showing likes realtime and notifying them working
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GWG (I'm finding it hard to describe for that reason. I hear Jeena though)
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GWG All clap.
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GWG Acer logo reappears.
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bjoern voxpelli is up next
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GWG tantek advises note taking volunteers required.
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tantek personal site: voxpelli.com
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GWG (I hope they can describe what I can't see.)
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Jeena voxpelli, showing stuff!
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tantek primarily worked on getting SWAT0 working but that was too complex, so got something else working
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GWG That's voxpelli? Good to know.
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Jeena he implemented a local storage page for indie-config which everyone can use
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kylewm ohh like SubToMe for indie-config?
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tantek hooked up "reply" webaction to Quill
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Jeena with this and an application handler you can add reply, like etc buttons on someone elses website
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tantek (kylewm yes!)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: I implemented a localstorage based indieconfig page so anyone can set up their indieconfig http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ (twitter.com/_/status/721713788853100545)
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Jeena those buttons will use youer indie-config and will open for example in a micro-pub endpoint
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bjoern http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/
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Jeena http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: when I set this up I can click a reply button on an indie site and it will post to my site (twitter.com/_/status/721713955610173440)
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bjoern everybody can use it
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tantek see /indie-config page for more!
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GWG Yes, the JS voxpelli demoed a few years back.
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Jeena <indie-action> is used
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tantek voxpelli: this is how the code works for web actions
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tantek the web action polyfill enhances the indie-action tag
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tantek which is a web component
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: if you want to add web actions to your site to use indieconfig, the markup is at http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (twitter.com/_/status/721714350185193473)
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tantek what is indie-action?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-action
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Jeena the javascript implementation which voxpelli uses is linked from the wiki page
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voxpelli tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#How_to_consume
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GWG It can easily be applied to most sites if you do the markup
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voxpelli ^ there's the scripts for how to start using other peoples indie-config
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tantek setting up next demo!
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GWG Chromebooks are pretty reliable for what they are.
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KevinMarks who's up next?
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tantek bjoern is up
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tantek personal site is anon.serie...
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tantek twitter handle is https://twitter.com/egoexpress
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tantek dayoneapp.com is a software he uses for writing his journal
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tantek he uses this not to write his diary by and but aggregate his stuff around the web
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tantek tool for this called sifter redux
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: http://dayoneapp.com is the app I use for to aggregate my stuff from around the web (twitter.com/_/status/721716016477290496)
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tantek KevinMarks++ thanks Kevin!!
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Loqi KevinMarks has 209 karma
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: the tool I use for this is sifter redux which uses IFTTT to log actions to files in a dropbox, then posts to dayone (twitter.com/_/status/721716251035312128)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: I wanted to do this with my own Known site, so I built a Ruby app to parse these logs (twitter.com/_/status/721716610675961856)
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+663) "/* action markup */ note polyfill scripts for indie-action" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: It then creates status entries using the Known api to log my youtube viewing and so on (twitter.com/_/status/721716881929990144)
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@Teckreview RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: http://dayoneapp.com is the app I use for to aggregate my stuff from around the web (twitter.com/_/status/721716901794181120)
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tantek "Known strips the HTML tags for now so it looks ugly"
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tantek domain coming up
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tantek voxpelli: please review: https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#action_markup
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bjoern domain is https://known.stierand.org
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tantek ^^^ demo that just finished
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tantek up next:
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: My Known site is at https://known.stierand.org (twitter.com/_/status/721717277993865216)
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tantek Frederick Marks
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voxpelli tantek: looks good I think
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KevinMarks hm, if he used micropub instead of known api would it not strip html?
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tantek Frederic Marx
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tantek fmarx.com
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#action_markup
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tantek https://twitter.com/fredericmarx
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bjoern KevinMarks: I thought about using MicroPub, but Known API seemed to bring faster results
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: today I added webmentions to my static site thanks to @voxpelli's service http://webmention.herokuapp.com (twitter.com/_/status/721717602901442562)
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bjoern will thing about switching to micropub
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bjoern would make it more versatile though
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: I point my webmention endpoint to his service, and then add the javascript to embed these (twitter.com/_/status/721717815787536384)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: I also implemented a very simple service worker so if I go offline and reload the page it comes from cache (twitter.com/_/status/721717929692291076)
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tantek fmarks.com/notes/webmentions/
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: http://dayoneapp.com is the app I use for to aggregate my stuff from around the web (twitter.com/_/status/721718074416582657)
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: the tool I use for this is sifter redux which uses IFTTT to log actions to files in a dropbox, then posts to dayone (twitter.com/_/status/721718127155806208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: for now it's just this article: https://fmarx.com/notes/webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/721718128506494977)
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tantek up next:
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tantek Steffen
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: I wanted to do this with my own Known site, so I built a Ruby app to parse these logs (twitter.com/_/status/721718231908548609)
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tantek tried to get Service Worker running on local system
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Jeena Steffen https://webgefrickel.de/
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tantek had to get self signed certificate for his dev environment
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tantek was difficult
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Loqi Steffen Rademacker
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tantek now his dev environment is running SSL
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tantek (Jeena twitter?)
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @egoexpress: My Known site is at https://known.stierand.org (twitter.com/_/status/721718404273442817)
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: today I added webmentions to my static site thanks to @voxpelli's service http://webmention.herokuapp.com (twitter.com/_/status/721718424167055361)
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@ak2webd3 RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: I also implemented a very simple service worker so if I go offline and reload the page it comes from cache (twitter.com/_/status/721718445209833472)
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: I implemented a localstorage based indieconfig page so anyone can set up their indieconfig http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ (twitter.com/_/status/721718673132494848)
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Jeena (no idea)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/webgefrickel
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Steffen Rademacker: I implemented a service worker, which was tricky at first as I had to get my dev environment running ssl (twitter.com/_/status/721718749229936641)
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Jeena he uses gulp for tasks
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tantek KevinMarks: @webgefrickel
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@ak2webd3 RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @fredericmarx: I point my webmention endpoint to his service, and then add the javascript to embed these (twitter.com/_/status/721718906163826690)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webgefrickel: I set up a gulp script so that when I edit the site it loads a new service worker too (twitter.com/_/status/721718998279262208)
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Jeena trying to do a update of his webworker, and it worked!
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@EoghannIrving Silos, Webmentions and the Challenge of Owning Your Own Content http://www.eoghann.com/b/afE https://twitter.com/EoghannIrving/status/721719312013103104/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721719312013103104)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webgefrickel: the hard part is getting the service worker to update its own copy of its script in its cache too (twitter.com/_/status/721719601340555264)
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Jeena tried to receive webmentions, can do that but it still is not quite there yet
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[shaners] Loqi playback
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Loqi who, me?
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Jeena he used the https://getkirby.com/ for it
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webgefrickel: I receive webmentions through https://getkirby.com/ but I think I need to update the parser version (twitter.com/_/status/721720044074450944)
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tantek next up:
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tantek Jeremy Keith
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tantek adactio.com
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tantek @adactio on Twitter
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tantek Jeremy shows his Twitter
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tantek likes that his profile calls out some information, numbers, history
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tantek likes his github.com/adactio too
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tantek visual Contributions over time
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: yesterday we had a really good discussion about homepages, and how silos show your history (twitter.com/_/status/721720325856239617)
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tantek something he likes is sparklines
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tantek e.g. thesession.org/members/1
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tantek shows activity in words an sparkline next to it
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tantek thought it would be fun to do that on his own site
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tantek shows small screen view
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: and I particularly liked github's display of your interaction over time, and I'm a fan fo sparklines (twitter.com/_/status/721720492294606849)
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tantek goes horizontal, classic sparkline view
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tantek on larger screen goes side by side
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tantek (shows source)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: if you look at the top of https://adactio.com/ you see sparklines for activity (twitter.com/_/status/721720654203109376)
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@weems RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: and I particularly liked github's display of your interaction over time, and I'm a fan fo sparklines (twitter.com/_/status/721720678160994304)
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tantek ... <svg><script>...</script></svg>
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: each sparkline is an SVG that generates the graph from a query string (twitter.com/_/status/721720772247621638)
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kylewm oh neat, he has something like that on huffduffer I think
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I show data for 100 points, so I divide time into 100 bins and pass in 75 numbers (twitter.com/_/status/721721062833201152)
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KevinMarks it looks like it is generating them too ridiculous amounts of precision
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @webgefrickel: I receive webmentions through https://getkirby.com/ but I think I need to update the parser version (twitter.com/_/status/721721269100683264)
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tantek KevinMarks: the better for you to zoom into ;)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: Initially I used google charts for sparklines, but they deprecated it, and I made one in Canvas (twitter.com/_/status/721721387757527040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: but it really should be SVG, and @sil made me a script to generate these for me (twitter.com/_/status/721721527910195200)
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KevinMarks no, my point is that if you use teh raw data in the SVG and scale the bounding box you have true precision
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KevinMarks I should look at sil's script
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Loqi agreed.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: they don't currently have the same time axis, so I should adjust that for clarity (twitter.com/_/status/721722034250772480)
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KevinMarks if you make the SVG carefully, you can make the data extractable again
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KevinMarks 'cos SVG for a line si just a series of points
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Jeena tantek doing his demo now
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Jeena http://tantek.com/ and @t on Twitter
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Loqi Tantek Çelik
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GWG Acer...Explore Beyond something
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GWG This is his home.
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@jkphl A part of @BarnabyWalters' epic Hurdy Gurdy peformance @indiewebcamp Nuremberg. Absolutely unique! #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721722764315508737/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721722764315508737)
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Jeena Changed his homepage a bit
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: my homepage is at http://tantek.com/ - and we debated about streams vs bios and taglines (twitter.com/_/status/721722867612807168)
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sknebel stream audio gone?
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sknebel nvm, it's back...
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Jeena he added icons for organisations
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I changed my page to show icons for my organisations, not just text (twitter.com/_/status/721723115974369280)
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Jeena he also added a "more ..." link after the tagline which gets you down to the longer description in a narrow window size
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Jeena since the bis is ouf of sight
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Jeena it is called "responsive content"
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tantek next up
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tantek aaronpk!
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tantek also doing a very short demo
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Jeena he intended to work on his homepage design but didn't
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: The bio is in the sidebar on a wide screen; on a narrow screen I put it under the name with a 'more info' link (twitter.com/_/status/721723577809182720)
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Jeena instead he found some bugs
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Jeena sleep data updating stopped
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Jeena but the umlaut in Nürnberg crashed it
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I fixed some bugs on my site - my sleep records weren't importing any more (twitter.com/_/status/721723871284604928)
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Jeena now it works again
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bjoern another one of these 'an American meets German umlauts' errors :)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: my homepage is at http://tantek.com/ - and we debated about streams vs bios and taglines (twitter.com/_/status/721723939949584384)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I changed my page to show icons for my organisations, not just text (twitter.com/_/status/721723942453555201)
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Jeena https://aaronparecki.com/sleep
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: the umlaut in Nürnberg was breaking the import of the sleep script. so now I lookup latlong to city on my site (twitter.com/_/status/721724042445746177)
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Jeena hacked up an indieweb reader on IRC
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: so now You can see my sleep in Germany as well https://aaronparecki.com/sleep (twitter.com/_/status/721724227439697921)
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Jeena He gets notifications in there
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I hacked up an indieweb reader in IRC (using a website that connects to my irc client) (twitter.com/_/status/721724368607424512)
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Jeena he can do !like http://example.com to post
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I made a channel on my private server that follows several people in this room so I get notified when they post (twitter.com/_/status/721724558282199040)
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Jeena it is a private IRC server
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: if I type !like in IRC, it makes a post on my site (twitter.com/_/status/721724644265455616)
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bjoern if that was a 'very small demo', what will aaronpk show on a normal one? ;)
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Jeena Barnaby Walters doing a livestream from Pure Data demo
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Jeena he tried to do a Pure Data micropub client but it didn't work, so he uses it manually for now
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KevinMarks audio dropping out
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KevinMarks back
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sknebel yeah, for me too
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aaronpk i think barnaby's streaming is taking over the bandwidth ;)
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sknebel 10-15 seconds breaks occasionally
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sknebel also during your demo
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: I tried to create a Pure Data micropub client, but it didn't work (twitter.com/_/status/721725111783567361)
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Jeena he can post a note with <audio> so people can listen live on his website
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kylewm whoa it works!
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Jeena he is singing now
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Jeena and clicking in Pure Data do change stuff I guess
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sknebel works!
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Jeena he stopped streaming
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GWG Does he take requests?
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Jeena on his server he has a new file
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: I can now post a link with <audio> so people can listen live on my site (twitter.com/_/status/721725371729768448)
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Jeena ist is a .mp3 file
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Jeena he copies the file to somewhere public
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: and it has archiving too so that it will show up afterwards as well (twitter.com/_/status/721725452755288066)
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Jeena he now replaces the src attribute of the audio tag to the path to the file on the same note
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: I see I have a new audio file on my server, so I copy that somewhere public, and change src to it (twitter.com/_/status/721725727020883969)
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Jeena he plays the file now and we can hear the Pure Data effects
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Jeena and what he was singing before
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GWG It comes out as a round with himself.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: so now we have an audio file directly linked here: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4goFfB/ (twitter.com/_/status/721725957451735040)
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Jeena he updated his profile photo
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Jeena the old posts still have his old profile photos
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: Aaron took a great photo of me, which i wanted to use as a profile photo, but it shouldn't go back in time (twitter.com/_/status/721726379541274625)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: so I made profile photos depend on post date (twitter.com/_/status/721726467902697472)
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aaronpk s/Aaron/Julie
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bjoern tantek is demoing again
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bjoern shows the tests on webmention.rocks
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KevinMarks barnaby: you could hotlink the mp3 it is recording to when live
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@jkphl .@BarnabyWalters: "I think this is best photo ever taken of me!" #indiewebcamp #nueww +@iwontsignuphere http:/photo.gne?rb=1 (twitter.com/_/status/721726991804854272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: new profile photo https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4goFYN/ taken by @iwontsignuphere (twitter.com/_/status/721727060943708160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have updated webmention support, based on https://webmention.rocks/ tests (twitter.com/_/status/721727246751383553)
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@EoghannIrving @lisajanicecohen my WordPress shortlinks seem to be broken: http://www.eoghann.com/silos-webmentions-challenge-owning-content (twitter.com/_/status/721727389739388929)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: to debug this I made a tool to show me what webmention endpoints it will send webmentions to (twitter.com/_/status/721727407686856704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the server does all the webmentions synchronously, so hopefully it completes before the browser times out (twitter.com/_/status/721727671751806977)
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KevinMarks I have a not quite demo
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KevinMarks if you go to http://m.me/indiewebcamp it refres you to the web client for the irc
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KevinMarks who's up?
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tantek Bea
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KevinMarks can't read urls on steram
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aaronpk what's the twitter for https://justonestep.de
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Loqi Bea David
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tantek what is the twitter for https://justonestep.de
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Loqi https://justonestep.de is @justb3a on Twitter
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@justb3a 50/50 Chance #indieweb https://twitter.com/justb3a/status/721728261768798210/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721728261768798210)
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kylewm paging gRegorLove, processwire demo!
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@adactioLinks IndieWebCamp Nuremberg on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157664909577964/ (twitter.com/_/status/721728299983073281)
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tantek Bea shows processwire running on her site with a plugin she started last year in IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @justb3a: I set up webmentions for my site https://justonestep.de/ using processwire (twitter.com/_/status/721728448352403456)
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tantek got it working today
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tantek got receiving webmentions working
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tantek e.g. on https://justonestep.de/
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Loqi Bea David
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GWG But I'm already Being David. (Sorry, bad joke)
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tantek e.g. on https://justonestep.de/notes/20160416-1417/
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Loqi [Bea David] whoooop
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @justb3a: I started this plugin last year at INdiewebcamp Dusseldorf, now they work, eg see https://justonestep.de/notes/20160416-1417/ (twitter.com/_/status/721728931175534593)
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tantek (shows webmentions that were received)
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tantek ...
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tantek voxpelli: is up again
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GWG Hmm...I just got proof of concept on some code working.
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tantek talking about complex webmentions
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tantek shows node-webmention-testpinger
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tantek in there there are templates
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: there are some exotic webmention types, and it an be hard to get people to send you webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/721729304367931392)
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bjoern https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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@webgefrickel RT @justb3a 50/50 Chance #indieweb https://twitter.com/justb3a/status/721728261768798210/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721729431832764417)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: I built node-webmention-testpinger to send you webmentions to test your webmention implementation (twitter.com/_/status/721729434332635138)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @voxpelli: if you can add examples of your site's markup when you send webmentions to https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger others can test (twitter.com/_/status/721729748779536384)
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KevinMarks who's up?
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@KanalNuernberg justb3a 50/50 Chance #indieweb https://twitter.com/justb3a/status/721728261768798210/photo/1 https://twitter.com/justb3a/status/721728261768798210 https://twitter.com/KanalNuernberg/status/721730273424064512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721730273424064512)
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voxpelli uses miklb's: https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb
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aaronpk this is https://miklb.com
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aaronpk what's the twitter for https://miklb.com
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Loqi https://miklb.com is @miklb on Twitter
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KevinMarks voxpelli: caould we add your webmention tool to the default template?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @miklb: I got my site https://miklb.com/ set up on jekyll using https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/721731175979556864)
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voxpelli KevinMarks: my webmention endpoint is included in that theme :)
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voxpelli behind a feature flag
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tantek erwachsenenmalbuch.de
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tantek got his site up this weekend!
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bjoern just today actually, he joined us just this morning
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tantek next up
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tantek Tom
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tantek www.webrocker.de
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tantek last year enhanced it with indie web actions
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bjoern his site runs on Wordpress
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tantek with plugins from matthias pfefferle
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tantek wanted to get his site working with offline
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tantek home page is a flow of his posts recently
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tantek since he is online now
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GWG pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 16 karma
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tantek if he deactivates the wifi
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tantek and reloads the page
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tantek it still works
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tantek goes to another page
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bjoern the images are replaced with an 'offline' placeholder
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bjoern inspired by adactio
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aaronpk what is a service worker?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "service worker" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10J7
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bjoern tantek implemented like/reply using indie-config during the demos
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bjoern had to do some changes on his site though, esp. changing the content security policy
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bjoern this only works in Firefox or Chrome right now because only these browsers have an implementation for the protocol handler
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bjoern demos are finished, as the indiewebcamp is
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GWG I'm staying home for Dusseldorf
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bjoern at least the one in Nuremberg :)
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GWG Round of Applause
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @webrocker: I updated my site https://www.webrocker.de/ with a service worker so it now works offline as well (twitter.com/_/status/721735209172004864)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: during the demo's I updated the indie-config on http://tantek.com/ - I had to change the Content Security Policy (twitter.com/_/status/721735524474613760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: thank you to Julie @iwontsignuphere for taking so many great photos of the event (twitter.com/_/status/721735710458396672)
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@egoexpress Thanks to @opensuse for sponsoring #IndieWebCamp 2016 Nuremberg again. What an awesome event! (twitter.com/_/status/721735816700149760)
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@indiewebcamp RT @jkphl Massive shout-out from @indiewebcamp to @openSUSE who made this all possible. Get well soon, @hennevogel! https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721736888122478592)
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GWG What do I do now?
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tantek GWG - rewatch the demos and write them up on the wiki!
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tantek We totally need that
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GWG I really couldn't see.
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tantek GWG but you could hear and that's more important
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GWG I was thinking of doing some more hacking
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aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBuJqm6m5mI
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GWG I did all this webmentions work I'm waiting for approval on.
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tantek can you use the IRC log from today to fill out https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Demos
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tantek GWG - seriously it would help a lot - we're all collapsing here from being tired and stuff - can you help with that?
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GWG I will try a bit. May do lunch first
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GWG Or breakfast
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GWG Haven't eaten
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tantek GWG definitely eat first!
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@webgefrickel RT @jkphl # Intense #indieweb hacking w/ @thebetterstory @webrocker @adactio @fredericmarx @webgefrickel @justb3a #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721678325593305088/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721747547790917632)
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KevinMarks let me get my notes up
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KevinMarks I missed the first few though
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tantek KevinMarks you can backfill from the YouTube and the IRC log
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GWG That was my plan.
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@webgefrickel RT @jkphl A very special @indiewebcamp moment: @BarnabyWalters playing the Hurdy Gurdy! Just epic. #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/721668447407616000/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/721749897280692228)
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tantek GWG we can be kind to the guy who was supposedly drinking and leave that out of the summary
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GWG What was his name? I didn't get it
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "his name" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10J8
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@webgefrickel @jkphl Thanks again for hosting #IndieWebCamp - had a blast the last two days. See you all @btconf in three weeks! (twitter.com/_/status/721751402020802562)
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@TimmreckSaul RT @webgefrickel @jkphl Thanks again for hosting #IndieWebCamp - had a blast the last two days. See you all @btconf in three weeks! (twitter.com/_/status/721751407607418880)
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miklb howdy
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg is a wrap! Huge thanks @jkphl and @openSUSE! #nueww Watch our demos: https://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4go4) (twitter.com/_/status/721753112223072256)
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GWG Howdy, miklb
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aaronpk voxpelli: https://quill.p3k.io/repost?url=http://example.com
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GWG I'm going to step out and see about food, but will still be around
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GWG I do still have those questions about webmentions
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voxpelli aaronpk: nice! 💃
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voxpelli miklb: your theme were featured in today's IWC demos :)
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GWG aaronpk, as someone who has built a lot of webmention type products...do you cache webmention endpoints?
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miklb voxpelli I see that. Sorry wasn't around. Last minute domestic responsibility came up.
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aaronpk GWG: I don't, because I can't guarantee that people won't change their endpoints
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miklb trying to catch up a little now. Will watch videos this evening.
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GWG Bridgy seems to for 2 hours.
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GWG There is also the question of whether or not webmention endpoints should be in the header of pages on a site that do not accept webmentions(when other site pages do)
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miklb voxpelli what brought about mentioning the theme?
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voxpelli miklb: a site was built using it :)
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miklb oh, very cool.
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aaronpk GWG: that sounds like a good thing to add to the spec. a page should probably not advertise a webmention endpoint unless it is going to accept a webmention for that target
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GWG aaronpk: Where are we keeping suggestions for the spec?
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voxpelli GWG: only pages that accept WebMentions should advertise it
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miklb voxpelli I saw KevinMarks tweet linking to my site and the theme, didn't realize someone else was using it (I switched over early this morning)
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GWG Re endpoint discover caching, I was thinking of caching for a period of 5 minutes to mitigate a flood situation.
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voxpelli miklb: you can find live notes in the irc archive on the wiki :)
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aaronpk GWG: http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention-brainstorming
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voxpelli GWG: I maybe maybe will do caching on a URL by URL basis
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@jkphl RT @indiewebcamp RT @t: #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg is a wrap! Huge thanks @jkphl and @openSUSE! #nueww Watch our demos: https://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4go4) (twitter.com/_/status/721755445552132098)
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aaronpk GWG: also check this out http://webmention.net/draft/#cross-site-request-forgery
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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aaronpk some of the tests on webmention.rocks advertise webmention endpoints that work only once
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GWG voxpelli: That was what I was thinking. Caching the endpoint discovery for a URL for 5 minutes or so.
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aaronpk as a CSRF mechanism
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aaronpk so that gets tricky if you also want to cache it and use it more than once
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voxpelli aaronpk: that CSRF is very much an edge case that really no one has run across right now, no?
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voxpelli Feels to me like something that should be left out of the spec and specified by whatever extension that requires such headers
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aaronpk Well it is potentially an issue
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aaronpk But add the desire for caching to the wiki
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GWG Is there a possibility of announcing in the header for a site that the domain has an endpoint, but the page doesn't?
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aaronpk voxpelli: take a look at my post 6 months of expiring webmention end points for some stats on how that went
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aaronpk GWG what do you mean?
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GWG If the idea is that there is one webmention endpoint per domain, but not all pages on the domain link to the endpoint...it would affect caching logic.
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voxpelli aaronpk: thinking more of the CSRF inclusion in itself, token feels like a separate thing that Salmentions might show that rather won't do
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aaronpk i would not make the assumption that the entire domain has only one endpoint
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voxpelli Me neither
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aaronpk for example I suspect some people might like to use a separate endpoint on their home page that only handles home page notifications since they are so different from comments on posts
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sknebel GWG and many people can't put headers on everything
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@webrocker My 1st 'real' @indiewebcamp was a blast, very happy to be a part of it. many thx to @jkphl for organizing + @openSUSE for sponsoring it. (twitter.com/_/status/721758175528136705)
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aaronpk I could see running a service for home page mentions that does good things with them
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sknebel aaronpk: indeed, implementing that right now as well
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sknebel (the extra endpoint thing)
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GWG aaronpk: That is a great idea. Separate endpoints. I'm writing that down.
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aaronpk like "hey check out this sweet service that has an app that will send you push notifications when people mention you" but it doesn't do anything with comments on posts, only mentions of you
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sknebel GWG: for caching, i'd say that a) you shouldn't use the absence of an endpoint as a signal not to try other pages and b) if you get an error back from a cached URL you have to run endpoint discovery again and check if it is a different one
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aaronpk that seems like a reasonable approach
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sknebel if so many people start to do temporary/per page endpoints that it becomes an issue it's going to be annoying for the senders as well, so they'll stop :P
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sknebel or get fancy with per-domain heuristics
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sknebel aaronpk: loqi uses PuSH with superfeedr, right?
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aaronpk Yeah. Is that still working?
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sknebel I just saw that Youtube supports PuSH as well, maybe we could get automatic stream announcements? https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/guides/push_notifications
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aaronpk Oh hah nice
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aaronpk good idea
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sknebel (since the stream start got a bit lost today)
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aaronpk yeah also I had to start it new like 5 times
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aaronpk stupid computer kept crashing
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sknebel oh. at least later it worked, and apart from the few short audio drops audio was really good to understand this time
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GWG sknebel, so you are opposed to multiple endpoints per domain?
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sknebel no, they should be supported
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sknebel but if e.g. bridgy says "most people we sent WMs to have only one endpoint, and we can save 50% traffic by caching them", then I can understand them using a cache
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sknebel but IMHO they should retry/rediscover as I outlined above to make sure they still deliver their WMs to sites that have multiple endpoints
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@RikMende #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg Video for those that missed it :/ (like me) #indieweb https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/721753112223072256 (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-watchvpbujqm6m5mifeatureyoutube-indiewebcampstatus721753112223072256) (twitter.com/_/status/721768463664943104)
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@RikMende Indeed...it seems i'm missing some webmentions...not sure when this started... :/ #indieweb (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/indeedit-seems-im-missing-some-webmentionsnot-sure-when-this-started) (twitter.com/_/status/721773153995739136)
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tantek !tell Jeena I'm assuming no HWC Göteborg this week per what you said earlier today, feel free to update this if I'm wrong! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what is responsive content?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "responsive content" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JA
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tantek responsive content is the application of responsive design techniques like mediaqueries to hide/show content and links depending on various web page viewing widths.
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Loqi ok
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@mschottenhammer RT @jkphl More impressions from @indiewebcamp Nuremberg including @BarnabyWalters' epic Hurdy Gurdy performance https://www.flickr.com/short_urls.gne?photoset=aHskuXKb1u #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/721775629193097216)
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@jkphl RT @webrocker My 1st 'real' @indiewebcamp was a blast, very happy to be a part of it. many thx to @jkphl for organizing + @openSUSE for sponsoring it. (twitter.com/_/status/721778941845979138)
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Jeena !tell tantek yeah, I'm in Burgpreppach this week, in two weeks again, and I will post it earlier this time and will try the tips I got during the community session yesterday
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: I'm assuming no HWC Göteborg this week per what you said earlier today, feel free to update this if I'm wrong! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-17/line/1460919254804
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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miklb voxpelli just watched the video. Would love to know what difficulties the person (didn't catch his name) had using the theme
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GWG Is there any point in extending Pingback?
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@nueww RT @indiewebcamp RT @t: #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg is a wrap! Huge thanks @jkphl and @openSUSE! #nueww Watch our demos: https://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4go4) (twitter.com/_/status/721798042614112257)
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@egoexpress Had a great weekend at @indiewebcamp Nuremberg. Was a pleasure to meet all of you. Hope to get the stuff I demoed public soon. #iwc16 (twitter.com/_/status/721808133547364352)
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@petermurrayrust #force2016 OpenAnnotation webmention through W3C webmention (twitter.com/_/status/721808951122087936)
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@webrocker I think I need to readjust my @btconf traveling plans and fit the next @indiewebcamp in there somehow (twitter.com/_/status/721821746840629248)
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@RikMende Can I actually multi-reply to many websites ? is that even a use case ? http://prnt.sc/atitr7 #indieweb @t (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/can-i-actually-multi-reply-to-many-websites-is-that-even) (twitter.com/_/status/721822476032847873)
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@jkphl @webrocker ABSOLUTELY! :) +@btconf @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/721823534809526273)
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@kylewmahan @RikMende surely! see http://indiewebcamp.com/multiple-reply for some examples (twitter.com/_/status/721836440326242304)
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kylewm yay, Loqi's back in shape!
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Loqi :D
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GWG Hi, kylewm
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kylewm !tell rMdes here's the error I get sending you a webmention: https://gist.github.com/kylewm/49e926047072fd106a13c136e01276ca
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm hey GWG
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GWG kylewm: I was going to reuse one of your old webmentions, but it no longer goes somewhere.
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GWG I may have to use it someday to test deletions.
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kylewm oops
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kylewm yeah I lost some very old redirects on the change to Known
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kylewm where "very old" is not really all that old
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miklb oops. bridgy is picking up my author img for tweets :/
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GWG I want to figure out how to test update/delete/create webmentions.
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GWG I made some changes I need to see if it broke anything.
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aaronpk GWG: i'm working on adding update tests to webmention.rocks. delete will be next.
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GWG I'm just worried about the work.
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GWG I don't fault pfefferle for being busy, but it's sort of like waiting for a grade from your teacher to see if you passed the course.
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GWG So, I keep doing 'extra credit'.
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@RikMende RT @kylewmahan @RikMende surely! see http://indiewebcamp.com/multiple-reply for some examples (twitter.com/_/status/721844007240904705)
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kylewm miklb: what is bridgy doing?
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miklb kylewm I just switched to a new new Jekyll theme and markup, and bridgy is picking up the author img and posting it with the tweet. Assuming something in markup
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kylewm miklb: ah yeah I see it, the u-photo is outside your h-card ... check out http://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2Fdogfooding&parser=html5lib
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tantek nice quote of original purpose of "WWW Project" https://svpow.com/2016/04/12/moral-dimensions-of-open-part-4-on-the-shoulders-of-giants/
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Loqi tantek: Jeena left you a message 4 hours, 21 minutes ago: yeah, I'm in Burgpreppach this week, in two weeks again, and I will post it earlier this time and will try the tips I got during the community session yesterday http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-17/line/1460920879556
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Loqi Moral dimensions of Open, part 4: “on the shoulders of giants”
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tantek "The project started with the philosophy that much academic information should be freely available to anyone."
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tantek Interesting point about annotation, almost like plumbing: https://twitter.com/mrgunn/status/721843419786510336
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@mrgunn To me, annotation is just a means to an end, so talking about promoting annotation is mistaken. Promote the end *via* annotation. #force2016 (twitter.com/_/status/721843419786510336)
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tantek what is annotation
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Loqi Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author https://indiewebcamp.com/annotation
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miklb kylewm thanks. I'll revisit that markup
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tantek what is ICS?
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Loqi ICS is a format for calendar files used by many programs such as Apple Calendar and Google Calendar, and can be used to share and subscribe to calendars across different systems https://indiewebcamp.com/ICS