#indiewebcamp 2015-10-21

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@kevinmarks
@NellieBowles you made step 1 of joining the #indieweb, great! Next steps http://indiewebify.me
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-16) "next IWC MIT"
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aaronpk
I still see "can't go" as an option on FB events
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tantek.com
edited /2015/MIT (+213) "h-event"
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kevinmarks
aaronpk: I think they're split-testing
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kevinmarks
or maybe they split at event creation time
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ben_thatmustbeme
I see "interested" "going" and "remove from my events"
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: re: adding yourself to Examples sections on the wiki, could you take a look at the "types" of posts here: https://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Kinds_of_Posts - click on each on and if you support it on your site, add yourself to its "IndieWeb Examples" section? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19/line/1445291654655
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: and if by doing so, you increase the number of indieweb examples in any of those pages to 3+, could you request in https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery#Feedback to add such "types" to that spec? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19/line/1445291685080
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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petermolnar
I guess that came up due to the hubzilla news earlier
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tantek
what was the hubzilla news?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "hubzilla news" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105S
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tantek
what is Hubzilla?
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tantek
Loqi?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Hubzilla" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105T
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Loqi
dude
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petermolnar
don't poke the Loqi
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tantek
gives Loqi a poke
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Loqi
grabs the poke
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@devnewsbot
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@tm_interesting
IT news: Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@mindamedia
http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions … http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon
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@linnflux
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #webdesign
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@developerhcnews
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@jordan_web
What is the IndieWeb? http://indiewebify.me/ #indieweb #facebook #twitter #linkedin #googleplus #medium #aboutme #myspace
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@iamkevin
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #startups
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@periscoperepub
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@gtcfeederteam
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@DubaiGeek
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@ruby_engineer
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #hacker #geek #startup
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@neuropuff
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@_hnyc
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@Un1v3rs0Z3r0
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@GandhiKathit
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@BornCor
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@Peta_Eaton
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@mindamedia
Click Share in minute info-technews monoculture - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture popping linksexploaded und… https://www.facebook.com/eddybalifreezy
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@mindamedia
Click Share in minute info-technews Webmention - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions popping linksexploaded unde… https://www.facebook.com/eddybalifreezy
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@WebStartupGroup
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #news
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petermolnar
that's a shitload of twitter bots crawling hacker news o.O
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@bartezzini
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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@altongene16
Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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voxpelli
I wonder if the IndieWeb will ever get such bots :P
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voxpelli
probably, and hopefully, not
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pfefferle
good morning
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@jordan_web
@kevinmarks Well, I thought that maybe anybody following the silo's # would think what's this #Indieweb thing and have a read :-)
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Morning! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-20/line/1445365662469 might be of interest to you :)
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pfefferle
voxpelli oh nice... sounds good
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aaronpk
wow we were on the front page of hackernews this morning
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tantek.com
edited /Cloudfront (+53) "see also"
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tantek.com
edited /CloudFlare (+53) "linky linky, see also"
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tantek.com
edited /cloud (+98) "Cloud things"
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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calumryan
Any Brightonians active tonight? (Not able to make it in person myself but around)
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tantek
topics for HWC today / tonight:
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tantek
* Twitter changed their t.co shortener to always use https = 23 chars for all auto-linked URLs in tweets! cassis.js updated accordingly
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tantek
(so update your Twitter POSSE code accordingly: cc: Bridgy Publish)
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adactio
calumryan: So far it's just me and Charlotte, so a quiet evening. :-) (unsurprising, given the weather)
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tantek
what is weather?
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Loqi
Weather is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc https://indiewebcamp.com/weather
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snarfed
(they've actually had max 23 chars for a while, and even have an API endpoint that you can ask for the current max link...but i expect most twitter API users don't actually use it. bridgy/granary certainly don't. :P)
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tantek
yeah - I argued that one publicly with them
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tantek
they used to have 22/23 though
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tantek
and now it is always 3
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tantek
s/3/23
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Loqi
!calc s/3/23
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: and now it is always 23
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tantek
wow I'm getting LOTS of secure connection failures to Eventbrite
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tantek
I wonder what they're doing wrong
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tantek
seems like HTTPS makes so many websites less reliable
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tantek
benwerd: why not reference indiewebcamp.com/webmention instead? I think the converspace repo is out of date at this point
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tantek
Eventbrite - have to reload like 3-10 times
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benwerd
tantek: I actually referenced webmention.org and that's what it expands to - assumed it was canonical as a result
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tantek
yup - sandeep still has the domain
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tantek
but at this point, we shouldn't be referencing anything as a spec that's in a personal repo - it should either be on indiewebcamp.com or in the indieweb group on github
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tantek
none of us should be a bottleneck in that way
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tantek
so the community can move a spec forward regardless if someone disappears (or has to) for a while
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benwerd
We should probably see about repointing that domain
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Loqi
[bridgy] চুপচাপ চার্লি ⌒.⌒ replied '@benwerd @TwitterDev #Helloworld Edit button and Chat button' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (https://twitter.com/Ranask35/status/656889988991180801)
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Loqi
agreed.
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tantek
also - one-off domains appear to be having these problems
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tantek
similar bottleneck with indiewebify
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tantek
HWC topic:
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tantek
* How should we move forward with fixing the one-off domain bottleneck problem? E.g. webmention.org indiewebify.me not being updated
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tantek
heck, H2VX.com (I'm not immune to this problem either)
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snarfed
hey aaronpk, just fyi the slack bridge might be unhappy. slack is receiving messages, but didn't forward a couple that i sent
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snarfed
fwding manually: "tantek: ssl error messages in browsers are often symptoms of non-ssl problems, e.g. connection failures. not always, but often"
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snarfed
tantek: i like aaronpk's proposal of indieauth adds you to the github org automatically via api, and then we set up projects with push-to-deploy
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snarfed
could be a good iwc sf project
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tantek
that would be a quite clever community unbottlenecking hack!
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tantek
then we just need whoever owns a domain to setup whatever github deploy automation is needed *once* then anyone can deploy / revert right?
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aaronpk
Darn. A couple of my servers were rebooted yesterday for maintenance, so that must not have come back online
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tantek
what that?
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tantek
oh the bridge
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Jeena
Hehe HWC in GOT is a bit of a mess, I'm not really good in promoting things like this so more often than not there are only my workcolegues there and some of them have own websites and the interest to work on them, but we more often than not end up just drinking beer and talking about non (indie) web stuff
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Jeena
Twitter asks for forgiveness but it's too late for me https://jeena.net/notes/491
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tantek
was that in response to a particular tweet but just not linked in the POSSE copy?
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@jack
Developers on Twitter: please tweet your ideas and requests using hashtag #helloworld. We're listening!
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@mjackson
@jack Stop hiring executives who don't use Twitter. Everything else will sort itself out. #helloworld
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tantek
also this deliberate silo non-interop reminder: https://twitter.com/bluechoochoo/status/656882450644123648
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@bluechoochoo
As requested by @jack during #TwitterFlight keynote: I'd like social graph restored to: - @Tumblr - @Instagram - @AppMeerkat #HelloWorld
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tantek
(thread is worth skimming)
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@RikMende
will it be enough to restore @twitter in the heart of developers? not sure, things are changing #indieweb https://twitter.com/politwoops/status/656885274039971840
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bear
that second link is failing for me
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@schnarfed
@jack thanks for asking! I wish I could get a tweet's favorites from the API. I hate having to scrape them from HTML. #helloworld #indieweb
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tantek
oh dear ^^^ hope that doesn't result in that scraping being shut down ;)
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bear
I would love just to have all of the people I follow show up in my timeline consistently - I still don't have @shnarfed's post showing
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tantek
bear probably because you don't follow @jack
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tantek
that's been Twitter's @-reply filtering for a while
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bear
oh poo - I forgot about that
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bear
which explains why it popped into view when I fav'd it
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@schnarfed
@jack I'd also kill to get a tweet's *replies* from the API. I crawl them myself right now, but I'd rather not. #helloworld #indieweb
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bear
hmm, I should submit a PR to https://github.com/converspace/webmention to add the python webmention library
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aaronpk
benwerd: webmention.net points to the wiki
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tantek
bear - or add the python library to /webmention and then submit that PR to just redirect to /webmention
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bear
/webmention on the wiki?
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tantek
yup - see logs - those get autolinked there :)
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tantek
or /Webmention if you want to make it all formal like
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bear
it already is in /webmention
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aaronpk
hm I have commit access to converspace/webmention
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bear
oops - gotta run an errand before this next interview call ... /me relurks
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kevinmarks
hm, re http://microformats.org/wiki/jf2#webmention.herokuapp.com the html mf2 version isn't marking up the type and targets
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kevinmarks
is the empty alt making the name empty too?
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voxpelli
please file issues at https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions if you find improvements possibilities :)
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voxpelli
(not really been able to follow the discussion tonight)
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kevinmarks
we've been talking about simplified json syntax for mf2
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kevinmarks
and I realised that you are already shipping one
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aaronpk
kevinmarks: that's what started this whole discussion yesterday ;)
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aaronpk
I realized that webmention.io, webmention.herokuapp and php-comments all did this already
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Loqi
[mention] Evgenij Pfafenrot commented 'Funktionstest der in-reply-to-Funktion | #IndieWeb | https://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to (http://epfafenrot.de/2015/funktionstest-der-in-reply-to-funktion-indieweb-in-reply-to)
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snarfed
any mf2 and/or php-mf2 experts around, i'd love help debugging something when you have a minute
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snarfed
summary: some of the FB likes that bridgy has backfed recently are showing up with the author's name as "Bridgy Response" (the contents of <title>) instead of the user's name...but only some, and we can't figure out why
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snarfed
diff between "good" and "bad" source html shows nothing notable
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aaronpk
well that is odd
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snarfed
yup. i'm clearly missing something.
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aaronpk
and this started happening on a bunch of different receving code?
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snarfed
aaronpk: so far only two sightings in the wild, both on wordpress
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gRegorLove
Seems like a Semantic Linkbacks issue?
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snarfed
yeah, good guess, but it only started recently, and neither of us upgraded plugins recently
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snarfed
but i definitely have been hacking on bridgy FB backfeed recently
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aaronpk
i'm guessing the plugin would fall back to the title tag if it couldn't find microformats data?
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snarfed
probably
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aaronpk
is it possible there's a utf-8 issue on some FB data that causes parsing to fail?
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gRegorLove
Looks like the php-mf2 hasn't been updated in Semantic Linkbacks for 3 months. https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/handler/Mf2/Parser.php
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snarfed
aaronpk: maybe! but i fetched the source html and diffed it (near bottom of that issue) and it looks fine
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aaronpk
oh what about rate limiting? maybe bridgy is failing to get the FB data sometimes and then returns an empty page?
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snarfed
good thought, but FB doesn't really rate limit, at least not at bridgy's volume, and in that case bridgy would return an error, not empty page
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aaronpk
what would happen if facebook returned empty data instead of an error?
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snarfed
interesting. maybe! i can look.
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aaronpk
i haven't looked at the wordpress plugin code, but maybe if the "name" value is fals-ey it would fall back to the page title?
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snarfed
gRegorLove: true! doesn't look like php-mf2 itself has changed meaningfully in that time either though.
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gRegorLove
Right, just eliminating possibilities
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snarfed
oh i'm sure that's what happened, i just don't understand how bridgy served that kind of empty page
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gRegorLove
I'm looking at the plugin code
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snarfed
thanks for looking, all
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snarfed
btw any luck with the slack bridge, aaronpk?
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aaronpk
ah forgot. was at the dentist.
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snarfed
sheesh man, priorities
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gRegorLove
Nothing jumps out at me in the plugin code.
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snarfed
(kidding!)
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gRegorLove
I don't see any fallback to the <title> element
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tantek
nevermind the "View in Browser" link on that second page ;)
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Loqi
yeah!
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aaronpk
ha, some loqi guts are spilling out
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aaronpk
some of the way Loqi works is by sending commands to himself
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[shaners]
HIMself?
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aaronpk
Loqi: he or she?
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[shaners]
Loqi: he or she?
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Loqi
well...
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Loqi
i think he
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[shaners]
Loqi: he or she?
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aaronpk
oh good the slack bridge is back
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[shaners]
Loqi: day or night?
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[shaners]
Loqi: night or day?
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[shaners]
You confound me, Loqi.
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tantek
slackbridge++
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Loqi
slackbridge has 1 karma
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tantek
who's going to IWC MIT in a couple of weeks? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT/Guest_List
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[shaners]
It’s gonna be brrrr there then.
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@sikkdays
[3/3] See #indieweb or https://t.co/Jn1LJWzaBj. $$ making services can be built upon protocols that are open, like email. That's the future
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