#indiewebcamp 2015-09-24

2015-09-24 UTC
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tantek hello from HWC SF @MozSF!
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tantek I may have to cut things a bit short today
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcalendar%2Ffeeds%2F00cighb6v4i5usnilnsomiro0c%2540group.calendar.google.com%2Fpublic%2Fbasic
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: the other thing I added was the etag/last-modified stuff prompted by @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/646862615352877057)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: julien has http://river.news (twitter.com/_/status/646862243557191680)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: now the TLDs is a kind of passive aggressive takedown of large corporations, so apple had to get .apple (twitter.com/_/status/646861750139232256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: at first the new TLDs were a layer violation so eg .tel was for vcards (twitter.com/_/status/646861656753106946)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I added .space for Lancey to my shortener too - I do it when someone has an indieweb site on a TLD that legitimises it (twitter.com/_/status/646861482085453824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: it has a list of all the new TLDs as of Sunday by getting them from ICANN (twitter.com/_/status/646861132364386304)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I had a flurry of activity on my site this week https://kylewm.com - I updated my tweet shortener to autolink (twitter.com/_/status/646860989737078784)
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KevinMarks loqi, did you put those on a stack instead of a list?
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek gives Loqi a second stack.
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Loqi laughs at the second stack.
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tantek from last week: http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2015-09-18.html
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tantek interesting in particular: http://indiewebcamp.com/comment_problems
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tantek and request for Bridgy to use your block list on Twitter and not send you backfeed of tweets from those you've blocked on Twitter (since it has access via the Twitter API) https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/473
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: what if twitter refused to post replies that are from people who you have blocked? (twitter.com/_/status/646866577808322560)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: we have a chain from my site to http://webmention.herokuapp.com to brid.gy to twitter to work out where to block (twitter.com/_/status/646866339521527808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: as bridgy has access to your blocklist, so could in principle remove the replies you have blocked. (twitter.com/_/status/646865904169566208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're documenting comment problems (twitter.com/_/status/646865604478128128)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so my twitter URL is not me - I don't have agency over it as anyone can scribble on it by replying (twitter.com/_/status/646865481270472704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: and also twitter doesn't filter your own page's comments for your blocks, so you don't see what others do (twitter.com/_/status/646865330489397248)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: the twitter API does not filter for blocks so you get all the noise in your feed (twitter.com/_/status/646865001656008704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: one topic last week was abuse via bridgy as twitter via XOXO (twitter.com/_/status/646864880633561088)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: indieweb updates this week: http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2015-09-18.html (twitter.com/_/status/646864641671450624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: so if I have a lot of back and forth discussion they get slow as there is one per hcard link form noterlive (twitter.com/_/status/646864179257835520)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm realising that my hovercards are pretty inefficient as they are loading lots of iframes statically (twitter.com/_/status/646863933870096384)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: you could also just statically generate your atom feed and serve that from the filesystem to get etag/last-modified (twitter.com/_/status/646863132057583616)
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KevinMarks !tell aaronpk loqi is reversing time
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek we also greatly expanded the documentation and brainstorming of http://indiewebcamp.com/publics
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aaronpk lol
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Loqi aaronpk: KevinMarks left you a message 3 minutes ago: loqi is reversing time http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-23/line/1443060099192
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aaronpk photo incoming
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/specifications
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/specifications#Specs_to_iterate_on
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20150924-021309.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aar*@*recki.com>"
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aaronpk oh com on
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this is also a place to gather things that we can make consistent enough to submit to standards bodies (twitter.com/_/status/646869839789879296)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: yes, that is the hope that we can make them consistent between implementations (twitter.com/_/status/646869687159156736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: can we specify these tightly enough that we can have examples and tests for them? (twitter.com/_/status/646869592107843584)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I started to document the specifications that we are implicitly building on at http://indiewebcamp.com/specifications (twitter.com/_/status/646869003173003264)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: bridgy is trying to tell if someone else mentions your site then it is probably not a POSSE copy (twitter.com/_/status/646868466331459585)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I've had that happen - "why is there a picture of my cat on Google plus?" (twitter.com/_/status/646867998188380160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: but someone who replies to it does not have the sense of the other publics if they just see the POSSE copy of it (twitter.com/_/status/646867762866987008)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: on the indieweb when you post you think of the public of both the post and where it is POSSEd to (twitter.com/_/status/646867657430564865)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: the twitter API does not filter for blocks so you get all the noise in your feed (twitter.com/_/status/646867541806186496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I also expanded the https://indiewebcamp.com/publics page that @kevinmarks started - understanding Publics (twitter.com/_/status/646867517139492864)
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aaronpk omg how do i make this not upside down
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aaronpk oh i think my browser was caching
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-09-23-homebrew-website-club (+53) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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tantek HWC SF: we're now looking at https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning specifically dates for an IWC SF
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tantek.com edited /2015/planning (+215) "/* Planning */ possible dates before and after Social Web WG f2f" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/planning (+19) "/* Planning */ possible one day Hack Day" (view diff)
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aaronpk ooh my vote would be to piggy back on the socialwg date and i could probably do both
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tantek aaronpk - can you +1 as a nested list item for the dates you like
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tantek ?
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tantek we also spent time last week talking about how we can help https://indiewebcamp.com/Upcoming.org be more indieweb /friendly
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tantek.com edited /plurality (+9) "/* See Also */ 🗽" (view diff)
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aaronpk the indentation on that page is confusing me
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/planning (+32) "add me, un-indent" (view diff)
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tantek we discussed how to reach out to silos to help them be more indieweb /friendly (e.g. /Medium)
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tantek I proposed perhaps taking a more positive outreach toward /monoculture projects, e.g. Diaspora: https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora#Dear_Diaspora_Lets_Federate
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: can we specify these tightly enough that we can have examples and tests for them? (twitter.com/_/status/646872105519325185)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: can we specify these tightly enough that we can have examples and tests for them? (twitter.com/_/status/646872104156200960)
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@ZibbyZ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we need to think about possible dates for indiewebcamp SF this year https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning Nov 14-15? (twitter.com/_/status/646871909435441152)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we need to think about possible dates for indiewebcamp SF this year https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning Nov 14-15? (twitter.com/_/status/646871403975852032)
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tantek extracted /plurality from a subsection of /principles and made it its own page: https://indiewebcamp.com/plurality
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tantek and thus added it to the list of principles
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tantek which means our /principles now go to 11: https://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: our indieweb principles now go to 11, as I added Plurality https://indiewebcamp.com/plurality (twitter.com/_/status/646875429966585856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're talking about how to reach out to silos and monocultures to make them indieweb friendly and solve problems for them (twitter.com/_/status/646874309370187776)
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tantek we documented https://indiewebcamp.com/tag-reply a bit more
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tantek if you support photo posts, and you support person-tags on your photo posts, and you support receiving tag-of responses to your photo posts with person-tags, AND you POSSE your photo posts to a silo where others can people-tag them
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tantek THEN it would be helpful if Bridgy supported backfeed of those person-tagging actions from the silo copy to your own original photo post
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tantek it would be EVEN BETTER if Bridgy recognized the FB userids that are being used in the person-tags and was able to translate them to indieweb URLs
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tantek so that when your site recevied the /tag-reply , the /person-tag inside it linked to their indieweb site instead of Facebook profile URL
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tantek aside - I added /photo support to my site on the 1st of the month http://tantek.com/2015/244/t1/did-entire-npsf-trackattack
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tantek and when I went to the FB POSSE copy of the photo https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101862796233213 it suggested tagging people in the photo as I hovered over them, so I thought that through
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tantek and decided if I did that, then Bridgy should backfeed those person-tags from the FB POSSE copy of the photo back to the original photo post on my site
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tantek which of course would mean I should support receiving person-tag /tag-reply webmentions sent to my photo posts
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@kevinmarks @waxpancake Homebrew Website Club is cheering you on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646881017886732288)
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@szpak RT @kevinmarks: “Slack is the product of game thinking”Š—”Šnot gamification.” - @amyjokim https://medium.com/@amyjokim/bots-mods-multiplayer-co-op-why-slack-is-game-like-not-gamified-bb1b7ac93c04 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646878724143628289)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-09-23-homebrew-website-club (+46) "/* Photos */ virtual for SF" (view diff)
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M-Kodo is this considered indie web? http://tyler.cat:4000/widget
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tantek M-Kodo: looks js;dr
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tantek wrapping up here at HWC SF
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's SF Homebrew Website Club are up on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-09-23.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646884979113259009)
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KevinMarks hm, bridgy says no post links found for https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/646884979113259009
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's SF Homebrew Website Club are up on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-09-23.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646884979113259009)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb @ Mozilla SF https://instagram.com/p/7_4shLRKNc/ (twitter.com/_/status/646888500994945024)
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Loqi [mention] someone posted "2015-09-11 Permalink In reply to: Simple &amp; straight-forward WebRTC DataChannel establishment In ..." http://me.gidzit.org that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention and https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats https://webmention.io/notification/orst4cj5uuFwIEUpXQj6rg
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Loqi [mention] David Furphy, Matt S, Nicola Lazzari, Juuso Vilmunen, Fin Wright, John “i” Despujols, and Doug Holton wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/lsRUHJBHYEyw2vXRWnUuEw
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Loqi [mention] Nicola Lazzari wrote a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/tJw4xJSj_CVbJ7vrWL4WQw
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[snarfed] KevinMarks: apologies, that UI is misleading. it means no webmention targets. (an original post backlink isn't a target.) I'll improve the UI
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[kevinmarks] Aha, so that means that it did decide it was a posse post (but was it from kevinmarks.com or <http://known.kevinmarks.com|known.kevinmarks.com>)
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: bridgy is sending mentions to original post example: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/philip-brooks-jr
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KartikPrabhu the POSSE copy got sent as a webmention
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu thanks for the report!
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: I can post this on the relevant issue
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: done https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/485#issuecomment-142803316
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[snarfed] i think it's been fixed already
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KartikPrabhu oh ok cool! I'll keep an eye out in the future and delete those if I have no more trouble
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[snarfed] issue 486 or 486 iirc
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[snarfed] er or 485
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KartikPrabhu yeah posted on 485 but also hid those mentions
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GWG Good evening
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[snarfed] evening GWG!
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[snarfed] active day, check out logs
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GWG I just got back after a long day of not eating
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[snarfed] yow. eat!
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GWG I did. After 26 hours of not. Fine now.
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GWG But I saw discussions of salmentions
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[snarfed] and a couple big bridgy launches. let me know if it sends you anything unusual
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GWG I will.
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Loqi [mention] Philip Durbin wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge https://webmention.io/notification/0ZKTohB2M4vqI6ylczsKtg
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Loqi [mention] Juuso Vilmunen wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Why https://webmention.io/notification/I_iBcrokJhn87oen8dTXCg
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Loqi [mention] Sebastian Lasse wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany https://webmention.io/notification/MsjFGVxJTLvg8XuTBDk8Nw
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Loqi [mention] Kartik Prabhu wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/sidefile-antipattern https://webmention.io/notification/rzeVr__qO_WGUomwIsWjLw
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Loqi [mention] Xavier Badosa posted "I just wrote the first version of the +IndieWebCamp intro text in Spanish and Catalanhttps://indiewe..." https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/googleplus/108786849398006459238/z12xuznrwqzbvhvuw23xstbaxnjkvv5z504 that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca and https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es https://webmention.io/notification/f_vpfuW4_m3Ioz-qTqX6iA
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Loqi [mention] Kartik Prabhu wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-02#t1430606718931 https://webmention.io/notification/pn6i-pP-kznzwsZF7NdaXA
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Loqi [mention] Joschi Kuphal wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship https://webmention.io/notification/cIhwho9y3VLGM8pGeEWWRQ
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Loqi [mention] Chris Aldrich and Oscar Bailey wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/bDz1kPBnrjHLnmTj8WZdng
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi [mention] Kartik Prabhu wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention https://webmention.io/notification/FuxwLPcvWT7JJ7G_6DpTIA
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@kevinmarks clouds, how do they work? http://noahveltman.com/internet-shape/ via @waxpancake (previously http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/02/tiered-versus-weird.html ) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646961221443260416)
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@kevinmarks Seriously...: The Pop Star and the Prophet http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p032qlt3.mp3 was the net bait? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646966244411727872)
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@kevinmarks @oldestlivingboy every other Wednesday in many cities https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club where are you based? (twitter.com/_/status/646969538588741632)
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@oldestlivingboy @kevinmarks Hey Kevin, I’m intrigued by this #indieweb you speak of. Are there meetups you’d recommend for getting started? (twitter.com/_/status/646969072060502016)
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@AAinslie RT @kevinmarks: clouds, how do they work? http://noahveltman.com/internet-shape/ via @waxpancake (previously http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/02/tiered-versus-weird.html ) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/646972706307633152)
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Loqi [bridgy] Brian Kennish replied '@kevinmarks Cool, ty. In Palo Alto / sf.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/oldestlivingboy/status/646969853413232641)
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Jeena I hope some time in the future we will get a C++ microformats parser
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voxpelli That would be nice, like a libsass
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Jeena yeah
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Zegnat It wont be such a huge win as libsass is though, I guess, as you still need a full fledged HTML parser in there and those are more likely to be the bottle neck than the actual mf parsing
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voxpelli Zegnat: the HTML-part would likely be the major part
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voxpelli (speaking of such plumbing – a streaming parser in eg Node would be kind of interesting as well)
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tbrb rhiaro: HWC Edi tonight?
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Loqi tbrb: rhiaro left you a message on 9/21 at 11:23am: scroll up to 19:23 for important messages.. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-21/line/1442859817977
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tbrb Ah ok, will make wiki page when I get in to a desk
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rhiaro tbrb thanks!
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rhiaro Want to switch to 1830 to reduce overlap with SocieTea?
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rhiaro moredhel comes at that time anyway, and me and R2ZER0 want to go to SocieTea (you can too)
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Zegnat SocieTea is an awesome name, no matter what it is
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tbrb rhiaro: Can do - I won't be arriving til around then probably myself (I'll be late at least)
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rhiaro tbrb: so want to stay in the forum today?
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tbrb Aye
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tbrb gonna swing down to that venue you mentioned on the weekend and go check it out
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rhiaro K. Let me know when you've made the wiki page, I'll email a couple of people
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rhiaro Just copypaste last week's and change the time and dates
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rhiaro There's a list of stuff to do to create a new event at /events
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harryreeder.co.uk created /events/2015-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+2022) "HWC Edi Sept 24th" (view diff)
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harryreeder.co.uk edited /next-hwc (+0) "HWC Edi" (view diff)
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tbrb rhiaro: done
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@my_heitz RT @moehlert: RT @kevinmarks: “Slack is the product of game thinking”Š—”Šnot gamification.” - @amyjokim https://medium.com/@amyjokim/bots-mods-multiplayer-co-op-why-slack-is-game-like-not-gamified-bb1b7ac93c04 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/647018373038010372)
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rhiaro Geng https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-24-homebrew-website-club
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /events/2015-09-24-homebrew-website-club (-17) "/* What */" (view diff)
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legion.ddns.info edited /events/2015-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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hamhut1066.com edited /events/2015-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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@r0setree I’m wondering, whether or not @dunkelangst already read something about the #IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/647038225844994048)
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moredhel rhiaro when is societea normally held?
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rhiaro 1730-1900
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Loqi !calc 1730-1900
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moredhel aww :/, right in the middle of my lecture
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moredhel may come find you. in the chaplency right?
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rhiaro moredhel, take offtopic to #indiechat (or compsoc)
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rhiaro !tell aaronpk any idea why this wm failed? https://indiewebcat.com/webmention/6jA85vAz It says no link, but there is one. Possibly something gets stuck on the non-existant ssl cert?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[aaronpk] Yeah if there isn't a valid cert the server can't go fetch the URL to verify the wm
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Loqi [aaronpk]: rhiaro left you a message 1 minute ago: any idea why this wm failed? https://indiewebcat.com/webmention/6jA85vAz It says no link, but there is one. Possibly something gets stuck on the non-existant ssl cert? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-24/line/1443102689616
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rhiaro okay! I'll deal with that
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[aaronpk] I suppose I could return that error specifically instead of "no link found"
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rhiaro Wouldn't hurt
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rhiaro I'm just doing an experiment..
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[aaronpk] An experiment? Fun
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@chim0 Oh man... I've wanted the ability to do this for _years_ : http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/647063028870049792)
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Loqi [mention] someone posted "2015-09-11 Permalink In reply to: Simple &amp; straight-forward WebRTC DataChannel establishment In ..." http://me.gidzit.org/#2015-08-30 that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention and https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats https://webmention.io/notification/_iBr5L3xUCHjMlFLphCWhg
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tantek.com edited /photo (+384) "/* POSSE */ note Bridgy Publish support, feature request for Flickr, person-tag thinking, unsure if Bridgy Publish supports person-tags to POSSE copies (if so how)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /photo (+1000) "/* POSSE */ backfeed person tags" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /photo (+55) "/* backfeed person tags */ IRC citation when first asked" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /photo (+19) "/* backfeed person tags */ bridgy backfeed person-tag feature request" (view diff)
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tantek just documented this brainstorm: https://indiewebcamp.com/photo#backfeed_person_tags - not sure anyone is doing it yet, but some thoughts on why and perhaps how to do it - been thinking about how I'd build it since I started supporting my own photo posts 2015-09-01 and Bridgy Publish POSSEing to FB.
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aaronparecki.com edited /comments (-2) "fix double redirect" (view diff)
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tantek huh - did I not finish that split?
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aaronpk huh? i dunno, /comments was a redirect to /comment which was a redirect to /reply
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tantek yeah - that was suppose to be different things for comment vs reply
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aaronpk oh huh
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tantek more clean up to do on that later
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tantek is *still* catching up with processing everything he braindumped into http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-01
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ShaneHudson My webmentions are defintely broken. Nothing since 19 Sept 2014... I thought it was just that no one was replying to me haha
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ShaneHudson I shall have to fix that.
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snarfed ShaneHudson: aww sad. can you recover the lost ones from logs?
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ShaneHudson snarfed: I hadn't thought of that. Will take a look :)
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cweiske I doubt that POST content will be logged
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cweiske s/be/have been/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: I doubt that POST content will have been logged
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ShaneHudson I'm trying to test it with indiewebify.me but it isn't giving me any feedback. Should I presume that if the page refreshed, sending the webmention worked? Definitely not recieved it
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snarfed indiewebify.me's webmention sender has pretty much always been broken for me
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snarfed try https://checkmention.appspot.com/ instead
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ShaneHudson Ah cheers
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voxpelli ShaneHudson: you can also try https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger if you have a local copy of your site
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ShaneHudson Right, so I've fixed sending webmention now to try to fix recieving
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tbrb hwc edi 24/09 begins, rhiaro, Geng and myself present, moredhel doing a food run and Kongaloosh & R2ZER0_ en route
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rhiaro hwc edi also has Paolo. KitB arrived and left again with moredhel. camerongray, R2ZER0 and Kongaloosh where are you? Trying to reach critical mass for photo
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camerongray rhiaro: I'm on my way in, stopping to grab food
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rhiaro camerongray++
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Loqi camerongray has 4 karma
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kylewm we talked about jams a bit last night at HWC, so I screwed around with adding them as a recongized post type in woodwind ... https://reader.kylewm.com/?jam will show you jams from everybody you follow
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aaronpk oh neat
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camerongray rhiaro: let me in please
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camerongray Also more del, tbrb, Geng, R2ZER0. Etc
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Geng e
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rhiaro HWC Edi quotes: R2ZER0: "I found a harddrive actually. Oh no wait. It was just a packet of soup."
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tbrb one of the most R2ZER0 things I've heard in a long while
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tbrb Kongaloosh: ping
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rhiaro tbrb is teaching moredhel the mediawiki whispering voodoo
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tbrb mediawiki--
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Loqi mediawiki has -3 karma
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moredhel I prefered my text
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ShaneHudson Boom. Webmentions fixed.
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ShaneHudson Or perhaps not. Only seems to work from curl hah
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ShaneHudson Could someone try sending me a webmention from their site please? Think it is all sorted now
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snarfed ShaneHudson: done, on https://shanehudson.net/2015/08/13/1718. i don't see it there yet.
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ShaneHudson Ah thanks, yeah I don't see it either :(
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KevinMarks sent one to https://shanehudson.net/2015/07/19/flexbox-with-fantasai
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/2015-09-24_shane-hudson-dot-net
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/flex-box-notes-by-shane-20150719flexbox-with-fantasai
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ShaneHudson Thanks both of you, will try to figure out what went wrong. Presumably parsing the hentry or something
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ShaneHudson Oh I didn't change the HTTP meta
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ShaneHudson That should work now. Are you able to resend them please?
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snarfed done!
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ShaneHudson Hmm I need to improve it a bit (ie, add your name) but that worked
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ShaneHudson Cheers!
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snarfed congrats!
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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gRegorLove snarfed: Would a return character at the end of a u-syndication URL cause bridgy not to match the syndicated tweet correctly? I got my own POSSE tweet sent to the original: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/gRegorLove/646402982515310592
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gRegorLove I've corrected the return character; only thing I could think of.
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KevinMarks ShaneHudson: I tried using the 'send' button on http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/flex-box-notes-by-shane-20150719flexbox-with-fantasai
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ShaneHudson Ah yeah, not changed the action url. Will do that now
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ShaneHudson Btw, what is the correct way to get the author name and url? In $hentry[properties]?
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ShaneHudson KevinMarks: Fixed the send button
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gRegorLove ShaneHudson: It can be a bit more complex. See /authorship
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ben_thatmustbeme i was about to say, i thought there was a page for that
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ShaneHudson what is authorship
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Loqi authorship is a claim about who the author(s) of a post are https://indiewebcamp.com/authorship
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ShaneHudson Ah. This is probably why I haven't done it yet
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ShaneHudson hah
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gRegorLove h-entry[author] is a good start, though.
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ShaneHudson Ok, will do that for now then :)
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gRegorLove Thankfully I do think it's a bit easier than the text makes it seems. It looks daunting, but once I understood it better, not too bad.
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gRegorLove You could fall back to the hostname for the author if no h-entry[author], then iterate.
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KevinMarks ah, that worked when I refreshed the page, sorry
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KevinMarks hm, my mention is really big
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snarfed gRegorLove: yeah probably due to yesterday's launch of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 + https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/456
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snarfed already fixed
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snarfed details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/485
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snarfed sorry for the trouble!
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gRegorLove No worries, just checking.
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ShaneHudson Think I will look into authorship once my redesign is live. That's probably more important (hopefully will help getting some new clients heh)
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gRegorLove So is Bridgy searching all tweets for our URLs now?
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snarfed gRegorLove: yup! details in issue #456. adding to the docs soon
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snarfed (and all G+ posts)
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gRegorLove Wowww. Awesome!
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gRegorLove snarfed++
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gRegorLove bridgy++
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gRegorLove Wut.
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Kongaloosh sorry rhiaro... I ended up getting ramen
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@kevinmarks “…until we commit to the cause of ever-improving user experiences, advertisers and media will be at risk.” http://adage.com/article/digitalnext/ad-blocking-unnecessary-internet-apocalypse/300470/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/647159605785526272)
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@benwerd Websites are hugely important for sharing. #indieweb #podcasts #wavelist https://twitter.com/kimfox/status/647158890308603904 (twitter.com/_/status/647159033133056000)
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rhiaro Kongaloosh, we got ramen AND had hwc. Amateur.
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Kongaloosh oh no. I Feel bad.
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Kongaloosh I also got fro-yo though.
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gRegorLove Mmm, Homebrew Ramen Club
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KevinMarks hm https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/automated-publishing
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KevinMarks note the required markup is a mix of standard elements and classes prefixed with op-
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KevinMarks https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/reference
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KevinMarks https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/reference/article
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aaronpk whoa op-prefixed class names?
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KevinMarks but for specified elements
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KevinMarks eg https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/reference/caption
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KevinMarks it's mostly POSH
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KevinMarks but also GeoJSON https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/reference/map
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aaronpk whoa
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KevinMarks and it is wrapped in RSS2
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snarfed hey KevinMarks, on an unrelated note, have you looked at your facebook-atom feed today?
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snarfed mine feels a lot less spammy and dupe-filled since i pushed out fixes for https://github.com/snarfed/facebook-atom/issues/11 and https://github.com/snarfed/facebook-atom/issues/9 this morning
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KevinMarks it is looking better, yes
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gRegorLove What's POSH?
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KevinMarks what is POSH
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "POSH" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103U
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KevinMarks POSH is Plain Old Semantic HTML - see http://microformats.org/wiki/posh
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loqi.me created /POSH (+98) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-24/line/1443133062410 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed glad to hear it!
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snarfed huh. milestone, of a sort: porn on bridgy. https://www.brid.gy/twitter/DodgerWA
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KevinMarks though with HTML5 there are more elements to use
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KevinMarks I got some on svgur.com
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snarfed we've arrived!
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