#indiewebcamp 2015-02-25

2015-02-25 UTC
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@kidehen @kevinmarks @davewiner @benwerd @t : we should all be able to demonstrate interoperable solutions re., #Web de-silo-fication. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/570376071645958144)
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tantek I've observed a change in "like" posting behavior since the Bridgy Publish -> FB got deactivated for likes
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tantek I'm not liking FB things as much
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tantek either using my own site, or directly liking public posts on FB
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tantek since I know it won't be something I can (semi)automatically POSSE
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@kidehen @kevinmarks @davewiner @benwerd @t : Good use of "Link:" relations re. #HTTP response metadata. #IndieWeb #NoSilo https://twitter.com/kidehen/status/570376938335936512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/570376938335936512)
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tantek huh, a photo of code
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acegiak benwerd: known doesn't seem to like comments from me? http://acegiak.net/2015/02/25/ben-werdmuller-i-love-my-pebble-watch-the-next-iteration-looks-incredible-httpswww-kickstarter-comprojects597507018pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises-2/
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acegiak oh wait no, I see now
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acegiak it's not organised chronologically
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acegiak sorry
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GWG There's a new Pebble?
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GWG Going to have to check that out.
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snarfed tantek: re like behavior, i commiserate. i actually saw the opposite when i switched from posse (via bridgy publish) to pesos; i like more now
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tantek snarfed, makes sense
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tantek there's already (more) convenient liking UI for PESOSing likes
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tantek there might be insurmountable advantages in that way, to using PESOS for likes instead of POSSE.
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@acegiak For what it's worth @benwerd @tantek @davewiner RSS is an important part of my indieweb setup. Whisperfollow is - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/25/8981/ (twitter.com/_/status/570385285923545089)
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tantek I can see consuming RSS from a reader perspective being more practical / (perhaps even necessary) than publishing it.
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tantek since not all sites have some form of easily semantically consumable HTML
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tantek it might help with bootstrapping a reader
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acegiak I consider RSS important legacy support
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tantek your reader development/usage is far ahead of any of my own, so I'll take your word for it.
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acegiak hahaha, my usage is... prolific?
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tantek I'm still against making publishers do extra work
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tantek perhaps this is a postel's law kind of thing
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tantek acegiak: which version of RSS (number / spec URL) do you consider important legacy support?
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tantek or versions
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tantek we should at least capture specifics like that
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Loqi definitely
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acegiak tantek: I'm literally using wordpresses built in parser so I have no idea?
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tantek wow - wonder why wp has an RSS parser
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GWG tantek: There are reasons
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acegiak tantek: as far as I can tell: the wordpress news display on the dashboard :/
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tantek acegiak - are there people you follow that *only* publish RSS?
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tantek s/follow/subscribe to or read
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Loqi tantek meant to say: acegiak - are there people you subscribe to or read that *only* publish RSS?
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tantek did Known Pro somehow ship and we didn't hear big news about it?
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tantek not yet I'm assuming based on https://withknown.com/pro/ ?
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@kevinmarks @kylewm2 @limedaring it depends so much on the culture of a particular irc channel. Some can be hostile. #indiewebcamp isn't (twitter.com/_/status/570389059664629760)
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dariusdunlap IndieAuth.com seems to not handle http -> https very well.
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dariusdunlap I have to explicitly tell it “https://darius.dunlaps.net to get things to work.
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dariusdunlap If I just tell it “darius.dunlaps.net”, it fails.
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kylewm dariusdunlap: but you don't redirect http:// to https:// on your site
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dariusdunlap hmmm. musta broke it. :-)
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dariusdunlap hmmm., does for me.
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kylewm try in a private browser window?
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dariusdunlap hmmm. ok, it’s not forwarding for firefox.
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dariusdunlap I’ll have to check my nginx config. I probably screwed something up. Left out a ; or something. Ha ha
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@veganstraightedge Thinking about #indieweb + HATEOAS. I think if the site root has <link> tag to all the right things, it still works. (twitter.com/_/status/570390721401729024)
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acegiak tantek: most of the the people I'm following are tumblr accounts
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@veganstraightedge #indieweb + HATEOAS: link[rel=webmention] link[rel=indieauth] link[rel=micropub] link[rel=alternate] (rss/atom) (twitter.com/_/status/570391196570222593)
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acegiak kylewm: re:women & newbies on irc. I'm having troubel following hte discussion. Is the problem one of the culture, the structure or the interfaces?
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GWG Maybe Loqi can help
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Loqi yeah!
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GWG Could Loqi welcome newbies?
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acegiak GWG: depends what the problem is
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@kevinmarks Yes: Going to Homebrew Website Club in SF tomorrow night #indieweb http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/yes-going-to-homebrew-website-club-in-sf-tomorrow-night (twitter.com/_/status/570392131795202048)
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kylewm acegiak: it starts here https://twitter.com/limedaring/status/567829946220945408
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@limedaring Do new developers (who have learned how to program in the last year or two) use and feel comfortable with IRC? Especially women? (twitter.com/_/status/567829946220945408)
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tantek fascinatingly different treatment of emojis in Twitter vs. FB
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/570391550007451648
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@t This morning: legs too tired to sprint, did a deck instead. 33 cards of ♣ leglift ♦ sideplank ♥ pushup ♠ ... http://tantek.com/2015/055/t6/morning-legs-tired-did-deck-instead (twitter.com/_/status/570391550007451648)
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tantek vs. https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10101521065873593
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kylewm acegiak: I think both culture (or expected culture, based on previous experiences or hearing horror storeis) and interface (lots of people saying it was too hard to get started)
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acegiak kylewm: I feel like this is an extension of the "at some point online chat just got really shitty" conversation we were having
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kylewm acegiak: good point, definitely
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tantek is it possible to build online chat UIs that don't "get really shitty" ?
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kylewm i think i need to try Slack, people seem to like it q.v. /Slack
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ben_thatmustbeme Slack is nice
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tantek have heard many nice things
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tantek a few friends/colleagues work there
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ben_thatmustbeme i have it set up so this bot does deployments for me from a few commands
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ben_thatmustbeme hubot won't ever replace you though Loqi
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kylewm is it nice because it's new and hasn't gotten a chance to get really shitty yet?
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KevinMarks_ slack is nice. It's IRC with UI designed by good people
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tantek kylewm: that's a good q
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tantek I mean, same thing was true of Twitter originally
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KevinMarks_ this post by Amelia Greenhall is relevant to the IRC private messages: http://blog.ameliagreenhall.com/post/the-hand-on-the-knee-a-guide-to-twitter-dm-etiquette-for-men
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KevinMarks_ well, it's not globally connected like twitter
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KevinMarks_ it's a (good) silo implementation of the IRC+bots pattern we use
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KevinMarks_ there's a #joiito Slack
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kylewm also i have SFBayArea goggles where I can't tell if something is actually popular or just popular here :)
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tantek heh
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kylewm IRC seems to have wide global acceptance, maybe even skewing european
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acegiak I think that IRC actually just needs a really good interface
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KevinMarks_ like aaronpk's one?
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kylewm or maybe IRCCloud
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GWG kylewm: I've been trying IRCCloud. Isn't perfect.
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GWG It is the only thing that goes past some firewalls
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acegiak IRCCloud looks interesting
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GWG acegiak: I was trying to find a self-hosted version of that.
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acegiak GWG: yeah
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GWG There are some options
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GWG Weechat and Glowing Bear
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acegiak I use irssi on my server continually open in a screen and then ssh into it
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GWG I have ZNC
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GWG But haven't found a good web interface into it
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acegiak using irssinotifier to get notifications of highlights
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dariusdunlap Yay! Fixed my screwd up https redirect…
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Loqi :D
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dariusdunlap Now IndieAuth works right
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dariusdunlap Thanks for the quick checkback, kylewm
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kylewm yay!
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Loqi woot
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millette GWG, nothing you can't fix (web irc) with http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ and https://github.com/joewalnes/websocketd ;-)
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millette ii turns stdin/out into irc client, whereas websocketd does the same for websockets - voilá, instant chat
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ben_thatmustbeme ugh, bridgy again
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ben_thatmustbeme i swear i break it so often :P
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ben_thatmustbeme https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1424827809&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUgsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiK2h0dHBzOi8vYmVuLnRoYXRtdXN0YmUubWUvbm90ZS8yMDE1LzIvMjUvMS8MCxIHUHVibGlzaBiAgICAgICACgw
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GWG millette: I still need something that works on my phone
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millette no websocket on your phone browser?
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tantek I wonder if I should add code to "auto-style" suit-hearts and suit-diamonds as red
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tantek since the plain unicode characters for those emoji are black (which makes sense): http://tantek.com/2015/055/t6/morning-legs-tired-did-deck-instead
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tantek is there a canonical color for suit-hearts or suit-diamonds?
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GWG millette: I was hoping someone had come up with a web interface that was good already.
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KevinMarks_ I thought there were coloured suit emoji as well
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KevinMarks_ ♦️ hm
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KevinMarks_ ♦︎♦️
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tantek KevinMarks right - they're colored when embedded as images or a special webfont from Twitter or FB
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KevinMarks_ this is showing red in charater picker on macOS
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KevinMarks_ though it shows the smae code point
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, try out Quassel, I'm very much liking the set up
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KevinMarks_ U+2665 U+FE0F
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ben_thatmustbeme has a nice phone interface
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tantek puts aside the colorizing of unicode characters for now
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GWG I've read on it.
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tantek uh oh just realizing I didn't see the FB invitation for tomorrow night's even so I spaced on inviting people
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tantek oops
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tantek HWC
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tantek SF
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tantek kylewm: want to share adminning of https://www.facebook.com/events/1579077165643006 ?
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kylewm tantek: yes...trying to figure out how...
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kylewm oh there
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tantek happy that Bridgy Publish still POSSEs RSVPs to FB
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kylewm snarfed: hey getting weird u-like-of urls from Bridgy backfeed, e.g. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/12802152/10101222294987969/434717353347341
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kylewm piles on the bridgy error reporting
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tantek ok sent a bunch of FB invitations as well
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tantek < 24hr notice but hopefully some will still work
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: did you check your app authorization with bridgy for twitter?
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kylewm 24.5 hours if you don't count quiet writing hour :)
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tantek true
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tantek Kevinmarksweb: can you invite the folks that you were helping with their WordPress setup?
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tantek e.g. on the FB event
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tantek https://www.facebook.com/events/326058450926960/
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tantek kylewm: what do you think of helping co-host the next one (2015-03-11) at The Creamery as you have when I've been away?
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tantek (rather than Mozilla)
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kylewm sgtm
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tantek thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, I last updated the auth less than a month ago
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ben_thatmustbeme both systems are saying it should be fine
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: well it's not the same problem as last time; it's shortening the text correctly
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pdurbin kylewm: I was just playing with my IRC "connectors" data and added you: http://irc.greptilian.com :)
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KevinMarks I invited Tracy to HWC
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bret irc cloud is basically slack, but connects to irc
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pdurbin KevinMarks: true! https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/570389059664629760
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@kevinmarks @kylewm2 @limedaring it depends so much on the culture of a particular irc channel. Some can be hostile. #indiewebcamp isn't (twitter.com/_/status/570389059664629760)
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kylewm pdurbin: whoa awesome!
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pdurbin heh
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Loqi [mention] darius posted 'My new server at Digital Ocean is up and running. Ubuntu 14.04, with Nginx (LEMP stack). Why Move? It had been a while since I had bothe...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (https://darius.dunlaps.net/2015/02/25/new-servers-update/)
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pdurbin kylewm: I'm picking up what you're putting down in that Twitter thread
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Loqi [mention] darius posted 'My new server at Digital Ocean is up and running. Ubuntu 14.04, with Nginx (LEMP stack). Why Move? It had been a while since I had bothe...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting (https://darius.dunlaps.net/2015/02/25/new-servers-update/)
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kylewm KevinMarks++ good thought inviting her to HWC!
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Loqi KevinMarks has 85 karma
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KevinMarks Tracy is great - I met her by sitting next to her on the plane to SXSW years ago
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kylewm getting generally great warm fuzzies from the python community, i saw that thread because pdurbin @-ed OssAnna16 who had reached out to a IRL friend of mine learning python
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kylewm small world
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bret a great post by moxie http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/ about why gnupg isnt what we need
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bret "Eventually I realized that when I receive a GPG encrypted email, it simply means that the email was written by someone who would voluntarily use GPG. I don’t mean someone who cares about privacy, because I think we all care about privacy. There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it’s a realistic path to
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bret introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers."
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bret thanks tjgillies for the link
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tjgillies bows
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kylewm that's a serious example of "why UX matters"
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kylewm if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it
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tantek kylewm: so true
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tantek also means that by focusing on better UX in the indieweb, we should be able to get folks adopting it over lesser UX options (no matter how much they pitch their plumbing)
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tjgillies tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 156 karma
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tjgillies bret: my new indiewebsite: http://blog.tylergillies.club
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bret nice tjgillies !
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bret ipfs even
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tjgillies we all own my website man
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tjgillies the people's republic of internet
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bret tjgillies: wanna come to hwc again?
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tjgillies sure
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bret http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc rsvp if you want. i wanna hear how ipfs hosting works
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tjgillies theres even an xml feed: http://shell.tylergillies.club:8080/ipfs/QmfRwiEqDEFaTzmaVbuFUxBZC28QJjihNuvou1R4FvHcwN/atom.xml
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tjgillies although thats pretty useless because the filename changes everytime the content changes heh
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bret ha
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bret really?
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tjgillies yeah
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bret oh I guess so
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tjgillies ipfs is content addressable
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bret someone needs to write a url proxy
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tjgillies you don't want a proxy though
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tjgillies the hash is a feature
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tjgillies that means that links don't break
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bret proxy to the correct ash
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bret hash*
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tjgillies what is "correct"
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bret usually the latest, but your right, an opinion is being expressed
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tjgillies i have blog.tylergillies.club point at the latest hash
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tjgillies i could have feed.tylergillies.club point at the latest rss hash
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bret hosting staic content is super easy already... i'm interested in the hard stuff to host. movies, music, lots of photos
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tjgillies those are all static....
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bret sorry, static html text files
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tjgillies its the same thing
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bret semi-static
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bret tjgillies: storage costs
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bret or having to deal with youtube
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tjgillies bret: http://shell.tylergillies.club:8080/ipfs/QmSJZHS1U9bSFUAHY5zNBE7DDbbXP9fgdbu2ePMQTqPfhy/woah.html
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tjgillies heh
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bret haha
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tjgillies that was at 5am this morning
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tjgillies when i couldn't sleep
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bret you dont have to worry about if its taking to much on your server with limited and costly storage
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tjgillies it works essentially like bit torrent
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bret right! where every client is also a potential http gateway
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tjgillies you only storage as much as you view
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tjgillies unless you're a public gateway
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tjgillies in the future people will essentially go to localhost/foo/bar instead of a gateway
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tjgillies only store*
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tjgillies I think a web model where people serve files locally which are retrieved via a mesh background is inevitable
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bret i was thinking, writing a js lib that lets you set html attributes to ipfs hashes, and it links those up with a public gateway
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tjgillies Would be fun to make a web browser that had that baked in
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bret right this would be a polyfill
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tjgillies interesting
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tjgillies woah hwc is tomorrow
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tjgillies that went quick
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bret suuuper qucik
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tylergillies.club created /Template:tjgillies (+161) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">{{sparkline|http://kodumulo.withknown.com/file/d7110fd8687b9d1e615ad6267639194c/thumb.png}} [[User:tjgillies|Tyler Gillies]]</span>"" (view diff)
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/webinaneyeblink.html
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KevinMarks so indieweb
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tylergillies.club created /User:Tjgillies (+205) "Created page with "I am hax0r many thing. * http://blog.tylergillies.club * http://tylergillies.club * http://kodumulo.tylergillies.club tjgillies in #pdxtech on freenode I like ruby and javasc..."" (view diff)
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tjgillies "I am an accidental historian. I graduated from High School with a 1.7 GPA —that's hard to do without shooting up school"
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tjgillies 1.7?
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tjgillies wow
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tjgillies "before San Francisco was a tech-bro soup that solved the problem of bro's driving each other everywhere, it was the web"
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tjgillies jason is so hilarious
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kylewm any pythonistas have suggestions for porting aaronpk's redis->websockets proxy to python? http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments#websocket-server
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kylewm getting deep into Tornado and weird async Redis libraries
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kylewm and feeling like "this can't be right"
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tjgillies kinda pisses me off that w3schools.com is the first link on "html5"
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kylewm w3schools--
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Loqi w3schools has -1 karma
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Loqi [mention] https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/02/24/1/indieweb-ux posted '“if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it”' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24/line/1424837008272
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Loqi [mention] https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/02/24/1/indieweb-ux posted '“if you have bad UX, you only get the type of people who are willing to put up with it”' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24/line/1424837008272
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aaronpk oh haha
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 9 minutes ago: do you have a way of showing all your replies to a particular URL or parent path? e.g. like this reply https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/02/22/23/w3c
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aaronpk still not sure why i'm sending double webmentions
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aaronpk !tell tantek heh no, my site is blissfully unaware of URL hierarchy
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk !tell tantek I try to use tags for things I think people will care about exploring from given a URL
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm just realized I can use redis-cli to send messages to people using Woodwind
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aaronpk bha
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aaronpk fail
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aaronpk bahaha
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aaronpk <3 redis
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aaronpk should go to bed
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kylewm publish woodwind_notify '{"user": 1, "entries": ["farts"] }'
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kylewm just did that to test :)
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aaronpk didn't realize you were using redis
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kylewm aaronpk: for the first cut at realtime updates, i literally copy/pasted your redis pubsub to nodejs to websockets code snippet, worked beautifully
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kylewm trying to do it in pure python3 now
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aaronpk haha awesome
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aaronpk i was pleased at how well that worked actually. it was a short path to get from my PHP backend code to realtime browser updates without twisting PHP into a giant knot
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tjgillies http://lamatriz.org/
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tjgillies I found an esperanto themed gnu social site
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tjgillies How do I find this crap
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tjgillies I just realised that I've been using federated social web for about as I've been using non federated social web
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tjgillies as long as*
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kylewm_ convos.by is looking like a pretty nice IRC web app, H/T acegiak
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tjgillies_ woo
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tjgillies_ not bad
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tjgillies_ is testing convos
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tjgillies_ kylewm_++
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Loqi kylewm has 126 karma
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kylewm_ acegiak++ found/recommended it!
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Loqi acegiak has 14 karma
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tjgillies like an open source version of irccloud
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tjgillies interesting
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jjuran Is there a Homebrew Website Club meetup tomorrow?
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kylewm what is next-hwc?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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jjuran Ah, I've been checking https://indiewebcamp.com/events/
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kylewm weaksauce Loqi. jjuran yes there is, at mozilla
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Loqi who, me?
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kylewm ah, good call on /events, that needs updating
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@badosa The @indiewebcamp now in 6 langs RT @adactio: @badosa Thank you for the @indiewebcamp translations—much appreciated. https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570483259756441601/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/570483259756441601)
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@VSChawathe "indieWeb- The First to Matter" by @VSChawathe on @LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/indieweb-first-matter-vipul-chawathe (twitter.com/_/status/570515934873407488)
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pfefferle good morning
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pdurbin pfefferle: mornin'
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GWG Good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme felt like joining the chorus of good mornings
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pfefferle :)
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gRegor` Good morning^5
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kylewm oh my gosh, , my FB "See Original" links are being changed by the API
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kylewm it changes /2015/ to some random id
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kylewm "link": "https://kylewm.com/10101343067483791/02/can-t-believe-i-ve-never-seen-this-before-carl-sagan"
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kylewm lol, yeah that is the app-scoped user id for the facebook user with id=2015
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barnabywalters kylewm: WOW that’s messed up
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gRegor` ugh, facebook
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gRegor` facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -9 karma
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kylewm aaronpk's shortlinks still work, e.g. "link": "http://aaron.pk/n4_p1"
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barnabywalters any idea what this behaviour is trying to achieve?
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gRegor` really bad regex? :)
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barnabywalters it would not be surprising
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kylewm i think it's literally that
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gRegor` I'd be pretty surprised it made it into production honestly
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gRegor` But I guess it did. ::shrug::
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kylewm the other actions are like facebook.com/user-id/something
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gRegor` When will facebook give us a "close account and permanently redirect my profile" option?
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kylewm "see original" is not official api by any means :p
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ben_thatmustbeme having a pretty interesting discussion on #social with rhiaro. I feel like it could be in here, #microformats, or #social :)
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme here is fine too, but I fear I might get shouted down for vaguely speculating about things without implementation back ups ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, fair enough
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dariusdunlap Good Morning!
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@gRegorLove I want a Facebook option to close my account *and* permanently redirect my profile to another URL. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/570621839573012480)
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ben_thatmustbeme good mroning again all
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ben_thatmustbeme now that its afternoon here ;P
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aaronpk kylewm: lol that's hilarious
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gRegor` Meant to ask yesterday: What is HATEOAS? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-24#t1424826720700
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aaronpk http://meme.loqi.me/4_rfn0JQ.jpg
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Loqi woot!
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HATEOAS
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snarfed aaronpk: this reminded me of you: http://99percentinvisible.prx.org/2015/02/24/154-pdx-carpet/
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kylewm https://twitter.com/fraying/status/570405152743497728
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@fraying I actually lose respect for designers when they talk about how great the PDX carpet is. Ugly is ugly, people. http://99percentinvisible.prx.org/2015/02/24/154-pdx-carpet/ (twitter.com/_/status/570405152743497728)
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aaronpk haha there's a 99% invisible episode about that?!
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tantek lol
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 59 minutes ago: heh no, my site is blissfully unaware of URL hierarchy
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tantek and HATEOAS is a horrible abbreviation :(
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 58 minutes ago: I try to use tags for things I think people will care about exploring from given a URL
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tantek aaronpk - you had that URL search for posts that link to (URL)
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tantek wondering if that includes links to that (URL) or deeper paths
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aaronpk ah, no just that URL specifically
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tantek aaronpk - I thought e.g. a search for a domain showed all links to any path in that domain
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aaronpk oh yeah http://aaronparecki.com/links-to
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tantek so that was my question. does the "any URL that starts with" aspect of that work only for domains? or any URL?
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aaronpk just for the domain
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tantek because it would be cool if it was for any URL - use-case, you could see all your votes that link to the User Stories page
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tantek regardless of frag
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kylewm description of HATEOAS reads like utopian self-documenting API that never actually works, is it not that?
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gRegor` Hah
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gRegor` I really don't know. My eyes started to glaze over, so I went back to poking around /Slack
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gRegor` I'm really liking it so far.
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aaronpk yeah they got a lot of things right!
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tantek how does one start a Slack? do we want to experiment with one for IndieWeb?
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gRegor` Seems to have decent export options, too. JSON files per-channel, per-day
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gRegor` tantek: You sign up at slack.com using your email and "Company Name", then after you get the confirmation email you select the subdomain on slack.com
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gRegor` You can then enable auto-signups based on email domain. Otherwise I think you have to manually invite people, which would be the case for indieweb.
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aaronpk or...
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gRegor` I don't know if there's a "public" option
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tantek no IndieAuth option? ;)
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aaronpk schemes a clever email/indieauth hack
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gRegor` Hah, @indieauth.com aliases? :)
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tantek oh yes! domain.name@indieauth.com
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aaronpk aaronparecki.com@indiewebcamp.com after signing up on the irc-people page
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tantek jinx :D
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tantek aaronpk's is better :)
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aaronpk just registered on Slack
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tantek sweet
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aaronpk so if you go to https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/signup it prompts you to enter your @indiewebcamp.com email address
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aaronpk presumably you'll get an email with a link to create your account
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michielbdejong aaronpk: which email address wil that go to?
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aaronpk i'm thinking
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gRegor` Wait, so I have gregorlove.com@indiewebcamp.com? Where does that email go/how?
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aaronpk if I make a separate signup page on indiewebcamp.com, you'd log in with indieauth and then you could enter a forwarding email
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gRegor` Gotcha
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gRegor` I thought for a second you meant this was working now.
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michielbdejong aha ok
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aaronpk alternately I could create an "inbox" you'd see after logging in, but I don't really wanat to store emails for everyone
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gRegor` I was going to be super impressed with your hacking skillz
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michielbdejong forward to a rel=me?
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gRegor` The email field on http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Preferences ?
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aaronpk yeah I could lok for a rel-me mailto link for starters
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aaronpk ugh i'd rather not make people poke around mediawiki settings, this is supposed to make it easier for people remember?
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gRegor` rel-me with fallback to MediaWiki account's email maybe
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gRegor` Sure, but rather than building a separate form for it. I don't plan to publish my email on my site.
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aaronpk i need to make a special page or at least a special login page in order to trigger creating the forwrading rule anyway
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gRegor` Slack could be cool for the user-friendliness of it, but it also means conversation split up between here and there.
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aaronpk yeah I don't want to require ppl publish their emails for sure
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aaronpk the vast majority of wiki accounts do not have an email address set
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gRegor` Oh, I'm sure
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gRegor` Separate form makes sense, given the forwarding rule setup
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aaronpk heh I could pipe all freenode conversation into the Slack room
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aaronpk and vice versa actually
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gRegor` There's settings for Slackbot to do simple responses to prompts, like Loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+379) "/* See Original */ add warning about links that start with a number being changed to an app-scoped ID" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay, so... I can bridge freenode and slack so people can join either one and be part of the same conversation
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kylewm aaronpk: you can invite people even if they dont have a @indiewebcamp.com email right?
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aaronpk signing up for the Slack room would involve logging in with indieauth
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aaronpk or they'd have to be added by an admin
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah I can send invites to people at any email address, but there is no way in the Slack UI for people to request access
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gRegor` Oh nice, didn't realize there were IRC and XMPP gateways.
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aaronpk lol yeah you can connect with an IRC client too, just to make things weird
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kylewm I wonder if Loqi would still work via the IRC gateway
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aaronpk i have an attempt at making Loqi join Slack, but there are some hiccups
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kylewm has anybody joined the wp.org slack? https://make.wordpress.org/chat/#join
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kylewm it has login to the site as a first step
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aaronpk lol "you have not logged in since 2011 when we reset everyone's passwords"
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aaronpk wow they replaced IRC with slack!
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kylewm pwcc mentioned it the other day http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-23/line/1424752082752
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Loqi [aaronpk] Hello from Slack!
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kylewm wat
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aaronpk i told you!
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gRegor` aaronpk++ for hacker skillz
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Loqi aaronpk has 716 karma
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gRegor` Slack + Loqi = Sloqi?
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aaronpk let's see if this works
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tantek so Loqi is the proxy from Slack? interesting
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aaronpk and Loqi is trying to get IRC messages into slack now too
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aaronpk test
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tantek hey Loqi, could you send this to Slack for me?
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Loqi :)
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Loqi [slackbot] test
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aaronpk oops haha
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aaronpk oh this is gonna be good
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tantek what is slackbot?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "slackbot" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=slackbot&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424890210706
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aaronpk hello
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aaronpk waves to Slack
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aaronpk yup
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Loqi [aaronpk] that works surprisingly well
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aaronpk I need some way to indicate the message is from Slack besides []
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tantek does Slack have URLs to channels itself?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek does it have URLs to people in its channels?
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aaronpk it looks like yes
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aaronpk they are long though
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/messages/general/team/aaronpk/
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tantek perhaps we need a slack shortenr :P
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aaronpk okay this should work both ways now
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] freenode people look like bots in Slack, but it works
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] Loqi stop echoing back into Slack
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aaronpk ooookay that is pretty fun
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aaronpk alright who wants to try this first
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aaronpk really?
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ben_thatmustbeme what are you doing now?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you doing now" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+doing+now&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424892242684
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aaronpk http://slack.indiewebcamp.com/
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aaronpk it's ugly but works
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] wow, that was very impressive onboarding, aaronpk!!
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] awesome!
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] I can make it a little prettier later!
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] is that a one-time email forwarding rule?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] it's permanent :confused:
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aaronpk ha! I typed :/
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tantek heh
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] it works though
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] omg i'm amazed that irc users have their avatar in slack
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] :smile: Thanks to the /irc-people page
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tantek aside: an example of an email to blog PESOS that I just happened upon (via Wikipedia no less) on my site: http://tantek.com/log/2004/06.html#d29t1850
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GWG We're doing Slack now?
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] its just a test case, but its an interesting one certainly
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] Greetings, humans.
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] greetings
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] anyone not used slack before?
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] :slack: slack has lots of nice styling :simple_smile:
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] and actually rooms can subscribe to rss
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] wonders how this looks in irc
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] Hai guys
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] well it looks like everyone figured out the signup flow pretty well!
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] indeed
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GWG I haven't yet
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, woah, just realized this is in the IRC too
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ben_thatmustbeme huh
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aaronpk yup that's the whole point! so we don't split the conversation between two places!
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aaronpk I think Loqi will still show wiki edits in Slack too
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Loqi grins profusely
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] umm... i think i broke it
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GWG How do I get indiewebcamp.com emails?
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aaronpk GWG: http://slack.indiewebcamp.com
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] <@U03QU365N>: what'd you do?
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aaronpk oh crap
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ben_thatmustbeme nevermind
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ben_thatmustbeme changed rooms
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Loqi lolz
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] aaronpk++ for Slack integration
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] Loqi: hi
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] hmm slackbot is asking me for personal information
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] hellos
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] oh yeah slackbot does that after a while
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] slackbot: a/s/l?
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] lol, it now thinks my full name is "Kyle o_O"
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ben_thatmustbeme \/feed help
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] I typed "go" to skip the Skype prompt, but it's supposed to be "no" Haha
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] Didn't find my photo :confused:
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ben_thatmustbeme http://barkpost-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/sleep.gif
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kylewm /feed help
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] good, commands aren't relayed over
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] from within slack you can subscribe a room to a rss feed
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] which may not be wanted in here
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] what is HATEOAS? <http://meme.loqi.me/4_rfn0JQ.jpg>
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] aaronpk, can is turn that off? the /feed stuff that is
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] what is tanteking
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GWG Still nothing
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ben_thatmustbeme what is tanteking
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] oh hm all the Loqi commands won't match from Slack because of the prefix they get in IRC
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] yeah, i figured as much
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tantek and because Loqi doesn't respond to Loqi right?
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] aaronpk: is it possible to programmatically send people an invitation to their email address? instead of having to set up forwarding for @indiewebcamp.com?
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ben_thatmustbeme this also makes the IRC look really messy
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] I tried a Loqi query and wondered why it didn't show up in IRC. Then realized I was in my work's Slack tab. :simple_smile:
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aaronpk Loqi only sometimes responds to Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme need to teach https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today to behave too
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] <http://www.bestgifever.com/data/images/2012/12/a67862e6266762240045be52eb3c918350056921-m.gif>
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Loqi [slack/caseorganic] Gif playback is SLOW
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tantek wonders how this looks in our logs.
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] kylewm: what do you mean send an invitation?
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] GIF seems normal here
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aaronpk if everyone uses the same nick as in IRC, I can pretty up the logs
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] I thought you said as an admin you could add people without them necessarily having the same email domain?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] kylewm: oh yeah but I'd rather not be a bottleneck for people joining
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] aaronpk: I mean, 1. they log in via indieauth, 2. it prompts for an email address, 3. programmatically send an invitation to that email address (instead of giving a link to signup via <mailto:domain@indiewebcamp.com|domain@indiewebcamp.com>)
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] dislikes the look of this all
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] I don't think there's an API method to send invites
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tantek hmm looks like logs could show <imageURL> inline
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GWG Aaronpk, it doesn't want to send me an email
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] ahh ok, wondering how <http://wordpress.org|wordpress.org> does it
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aaronpk GWG: check your spam folder?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] I didn't go through the wordpress signup because I never got my <http://wordpress.org|wordpress.org> password reset email
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GWG I have
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tantek alright let's see how much JS Slack needs
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aaronpk all of it
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tantek nah it doesn't need google-analytics :P
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tantek what the heck is # general?
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gRegor` The default room Slack sets up
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] it's the main channel slack auto-creates for new accounts
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] i can rename it to #indiewebcamp or something
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gRegor` They can be renamed
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GWG Oh well
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gRegor` jinx
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tantek why does the bot use the webhook logo?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] what bot?
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tantek check the top of the scrollback in slack
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tantek e.g. right after you said test
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] oh because that was my test messages using the webhook integration!
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Loqi [slack/tantek] oh neat!
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Loqi [slack/tantek] generic icon on slack by default?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] yeah
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Loqi [slack/tantek] did everyone re-upload their logo jpgs?
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] oh wow, <http://Wordpress.org|Wordpress.org> does the same thing sets up a forwarding email from <mailto:kylewm@chat.wordpress.org|kylewm@chat.wordpress.org> to my email address
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] I had to upload mine, tantek
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] kylewm: lol well then!
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] good guess on your part :simple_smile:
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tantek what is Slack?
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Loqi Slack is a closed-source team communication tool similar to IRC https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk - perhaps capture a sentence or two about setup there?
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gregorlove.com edited /Slack (+59) "slackbot" (view diff)
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] ooh IRC color codes look ugly in Slack
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gregorlove.com created /slackbot (+28) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor` actions show "ACTION" too
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gRegor` Er, I thought they did.
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Loqi [slack/tantek] What happens when I sign in via iOS app?
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Transparent it seems. No idea where I'm typing / sending from
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gRegor` Maybe only Loqi's actions, then.
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Loqi [slack/tantek] And no need for a second nickname
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Unlike irc
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bret yup
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bret or irc cloud
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Limitation of irc protocols likely
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] so... this is super nice right?
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tantek hmm - photo from Twitter took a while - seemed busted for a bit
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Loqi [slack/tantek] and now all my icons changed from the default to the new photo
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Loqi [slack/tantek] so it doesn't keep old icons then
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] tried to log in to slack via irc settings
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Loqi [slack/ben.thatmustbe.me] i can't get in because of the '.' in my name
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] Slack is super nice, yes. Not sure about the [slack/username] in the IRC room
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Seems fine both ways
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] i'm guessing there are no public logs?
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Web slack client is slower than irc client, eg especially scrolling
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] Mostly because I'm used to seeing the person's name first, so now I'm seeing all these Loqi messages.
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Scrollback. Not sure what all their JS is doing.
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Gregor I agree. Perhaps our logs can make it prettier.
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] hehe, just logged in to slack server via IRC anyway :P
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] Logs, probably. Chatzilla, probably not.
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] this should confuse things, now i get a notification of a message when i speak in either room
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ben_thatmustbeme oh god
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ben_thatmustbeme this is messy
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] waves to snarfed
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ben_thatmustbeme closes slack
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] waves back
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Loqi [slack/tantek] Hey snarfed!
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jonnybarnes theres now a slack channel?
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ben_thatmustbeme johnnybarnes yes... its... weird
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gRegor` So what's the use-case for Slack for IWC? For those who want a nicer UI?
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jonnybarnes i would guess so
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tantek gRegor`: perhaps broadening reach to those who have been put-off by IRC or IRC-isms or IRC default behaviors?
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Loqi [slack/gregorlove] jonybarnes: Indeed there is! <http://slack.indiewebcamp.com>
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jonnybarnes it mostly seems to be used for gifs as best I can tell :P
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ben_thatmustbeme except this makes IRC worse for those of us that do use it
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tantek it's not that bad
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] ooh. preferences =&gt; advanced options =&gt; "When typing code with ```, ENTER should not send the message."
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] hmm, did this stop working?
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aaronpk lol at html escaping oops
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] its cleaner for me to use IRC -&gt; slack servers than to talk in the regular #indiewebcamp now though
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gRegor` tantek: Agreed. I wonder if Slack is part of the discussion @limedaring is having about IRC, that kylewm commented on yesterday.
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ben_thatmustbeme don't get me wrong, i use slack for work
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ben_thatmustbeme and love it
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ben_thatmustbeme so what does slack get us over just web chat?
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tantek inline gifs :P
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ben_thatmustbeme considering you have to be able to use indieauth to get in to slack?
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] woah I didn't know slack could sync this seemlessly with irc
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ben_thatmustbeme web chat can be made to do that
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tantek until aaronpk adds auto-embedding of .gif .jpg .png URLs
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tantek in our web logs
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] ben_thatmustbeme: it's not called IRC
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] that's what it has over web chat
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tantek aside: the cassis auto_link function can do that auto-embedding for you
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tantek including youtube videos
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gRegor` Heh, yep.
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ben_thatmustbeme but you are saying it will persuade more people to join chat?
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gRegor` Even "web chat" might have some connotations to people, from ye olden days
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] yes because of the negative connotations of IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme but they have to already have indieauth set up
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gRegor` "Oh, people making dumb jokes in an AOL room"
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aaronpk btw I can change the [slack/aaronpk] thing in IRC i just need some parsable prefix so those messages don't get sent back to slack :P
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] oh god, how do I turn off Firefox’s web notifications?
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme you can do it just for slack
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ben_thatmustbeme in your settings
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ben_thatmustbeme within slack
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tantek ok dang that slack iOS notification is loud.
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gRegor` Preferences from the bototm left.
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tantek off it goes.
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aaronpk the wordpress.org page had some good tips for configuring slack to not be super noisy
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] excellent, thanks guys
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] just noticed in slack, all the irc account are bots
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] this is probably the best way for me
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] I assume its all just one bot
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] ignore freenode/irc and join slack via IRC
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] i cannot see who is in the room anymore though
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tantek lol red unread count on top of slack icon
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Loqi [slack/ben_thatmustbeme] as most people are in irc
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tantek off that goes as well as the sounds
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Neat, the flow got me straight into the slack app
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] so, resetting the password isn't too hard
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Wish slack would sync my photo across instances
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tantek or let me use a URL for a photo
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gRegor` Haha. Ben pinged me and it came as a DM on Slack
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] So irc people get faces and Slack ones don't. Indieweb wins again
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gRegor` I think someone said their photo auto populated in Slack. Mine didn't though
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gRegor` The slack I set up for work did use my gravatar by default.
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tantek we need to make consumption of indieweb icons more obvious
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tantek e.g. that should be a "How to" on /icon
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tantek hmm - iconship or icon discovery?
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ben_thatmustbeme just leaves slack room via IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme so i can join other room in slack
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tantek I suppose the question could be phrased in different ways
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tantek e.g. given a domain name, what icon should be displayed for it?
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tantek or given a URL, what icon should be displayed for it?
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tantek or more specifically, given a URL (or just domain name), what icon should be displayed for its author?
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ben_thatmustbeme missed part of that conversation
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] right, IWC set up in my slack app
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ben_thatmustbeme frowns
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tantek there there ben_thatmustbeme, it's in the logs :)
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ben_thatmustbeme not what i was frowning to exactly
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tantek the goal here is to attempt to frame the (icon) question in such a way that sites like Slack feel motivated to implement it
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tantek preferably instead of gravatar
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ben_thatmustbeme needs to figure out getting his IRC client to convert <Loqi> [slack/<nick>] to <nick>
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tantek but *before* gravatar would be ok too
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Loqi woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme don't know that it would be too easy
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ben_thatmustbeme slack already uses gravatar i believe
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ben_thatmustbeme by email
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KartikPrabhu so many slackers here ;)
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Medium is now gaming twitter by sending photos of highlighted text <https://medium.com/the-story/text-shots-3f82f2536cc>
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rhiaro I was talked into joining slack recently, I only did so on the condition I could connect with my IRC client. I guess if messages are being cross posted here, it would be silly of me to join the indieweb slack channel too..
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro, its actually really annoying to join both. if you do, every message you type in slack will highlight your name here
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rhiaro right, I'll steer clear of that then!
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ben_thatmustbeme i realized that immediately
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rhiaro Slack does *look* nice and my only problem with IRC is that I can't connect to my IRC server with a web client. But a couple of my friends are working on one, so I'm holding out
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] There is a Chrome app I use that connects to multiple irc servers
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] huh. in slack, if you hover over a user in the user list, there's an X button
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] wonder what that does
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] just hides them i guess
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gRegor` Who here is likely to continue using Slack for IWC, either directly or connecting via IRC?
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, it does, thats just direct messages
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tantek I noticed that the Slack web UI has a way to "star" individual utterances
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Looks like I can't change my avatar in the slack android client
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gRegor` tantek: Yep, and you can access your stars via the three dot menu at the top right.
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] There's not a lot of reason to connect to this slack room via IRC
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gRegor` I'm trying that out as a todo list with my work Slack
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tantek but are they public?
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gRegor` No
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Loqi [slack/snarfed] parallels indie liking an irc log line
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gRegor` aaronpk: Other than avoiding the "Loqi: [slack/username]" like ben_thatmustbeme mentioned
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tantek perhaps a good reason to put a little (heart) icon in our logs inside <indie-action do="like"> ?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think we are better off building something outside of another closed system
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] It's a star, not a heart - implies "save" more than "like"
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gRegor` I think tantek is referring to /irc/logs
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] ben_thatmustbeme: agree that we're better off buidling outside of a silo, but it's good to check out the competish
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] the oembed thing it did with the article Kevinmarks posted above is super nice, would be really nice to have a similar thing for links to h-entry
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KevinMarks_ It's a good example of /link-preview
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Can we get wiki links to work in slack?
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tantek oh like have the proxying convert /like to https://indiewebcamp.com/like ?
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tantek when it goes from IRC to Slack?
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aaronpk that's doable
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Cool
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Slack has slash commands like irc
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] I assume Slack is using oembed to show the preview?
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KevinMarks_ I think they have custom preview code, not sure it's just oembed
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tantek again, how should we write-up /link-preview such that a consuming application / site like Slack is motivated to support it?
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gRegor` Slack is caching images from those previews, too.
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tantek theoretically it should be *easier* / less work than consuming / displaying oembed
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tantek and frankly work on far more sites
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tantek far more URLs have h-entry / hentry than oembed
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gRegor` What is oembed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "oembed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=oembed&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424898670061
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tantek wat
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tantek oembed is /OEmbed
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loqi.me created /oembed (+19) "prompted by gRegor` https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-25/line/1424898670061 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegor` What is oembed?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/oembed
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gRegor` Heh
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gRegor` What is OEmbed?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/oembed
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tantek could've sworn we had a page on this
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tantek including some back/forth debate
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tantek e.g. I think maybe cweiske was an oembed fan?
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tantek can't seem to find it by searching
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gRegor` /link-preview links to oembed.com
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KevinMarks_ Building the preview service described in /link-preview may be the way
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] I love that slack has a good mobile app
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] Never found a decent mobile irc app
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aaronpk testing converstion of wiki pages like /link-preview
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Loqi [slack/jonnybarnes] so thats a link in slack, but not irc
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aaronpk yeah I couldn't do it in IRC unless I could modify the IRC server
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aaronpk which sounds like a potentially fun project
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aaronpk but not very practical
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rascul or client
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rascul irssi plugin or something
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aaronpk that'd only work for people who had the plugins, assuming you're using a client that even has plugins
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rascul yeah
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rascul better option than modifying the server though i think, at least in this specific context
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rascul since it wouldn't be able to link up to freenode, and that might not be beneficial to the longevity of this channel
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rascul not sure how much being on freenode helps this specific channel though
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aaronpk I am pretty pleased that I was able to get people's profile photos from IRC into Slack
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tantek rascul all the ident services and channel admin etc. is tied to Freenode AFAIK
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dariusdunlap Hey, are any of you SF folks into the band ALO?
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tantek aaronpk++ that is pretty awesome
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Loqi aaronpk has 717 karma
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tantek points dariusdunlap towards #indiechat ;)
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rascul tantek indeed, but irc services are not freenode specific
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rascul i meant as far as popularity though
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tantek for sure, Freenode has a lot of momentum in open source
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tantek and open standards
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tantek it's pretty much the default
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tantek when someone names an IRC channel the expectation is "on Freenode"
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gRegor` aaronpk: My profile photo didn't come through to slack automatically.
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tantek gRegor`: you didn't use the same nick
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aaronpk gRegor`: look at slack. yes it did :)
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gRegor` Oh, different nick
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tantek wat
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gRegor` I uploaded mine
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aaronpk no I mean the IRC messages in Slack have your photo without you doing anything
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gRegor` No they didn't. I uploaded that.
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gRegor` It's because I chose a idfferent nick than on irc-people
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aaronpk no... literally the things you're typing now have your photo that it got from /irc-people
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gRegor` Ohh
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tantek yeah that's cool
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Loqi [slack/tantek] hah - auto-linking of /irc-people in Slack already implemented by aaronpk!
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] yay not ugly wiki edit lines now
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tantek what is email?
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport https://indiewebcamp.com/email
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] Slightly ironic for Dan to post this on medium <https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-microsoft-78af12071bd>
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tantek and it's not POSSE?
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Loqi [slack/kevinmarks] It's a paid piece
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dariusdunlap Very cool Slack integration, aaronpk!
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] thanks!
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tantek aaronpk, this appears to only show one of your votes on User Stories: http://aaronparecki.com/links-to/www.w3.org
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tantek as compared to http://aaronparecki.com/tag/socialwg
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aaronpk huh
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tantek kylewm: did you ever get the questions about consuming PuSH vs. using Superfeedr resolved? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-21#t1424546517415
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tantek topic for tonight HWC?
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tantek what is next-hwc?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+105) "/* Notes */ compared to Superfeedr, IRC link" (view diff)
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tantek aside, wow to https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/16606180015_3e33a7be7c_b.jpg
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jjuran Nice.
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ben_thatmustbeme ew, okay yeah, definitely need to log back in to slack now
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ben_thatmustbeme and turn off it e-mailing me on mentions
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Loqi [slack/peterwilsoncc] nice work on slack <@U03QR2B3P>
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Loqi [slack/peterwilsoncc] Oops, wrong version of the username.
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ben_thatmustbeme wow that comes out ugly on IRC
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] Tantek: yes I did make a decision about Superfeedr and got help from Julien to get my feed working. I definitely want to talk about it tonight
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ben_thatmustbeme <@U03QR2B3P>
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek what is <@U03QR2B3P>?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "<@U03QR2B3P>" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=%3C%40U03QR2B3P%3E&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424905845330
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aaronpk <@U03QR2B3P> is Slack's user ID for {{aaronpk}}
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk oh, <> not valid in page names
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aaronpk Slack calls /link-preview "unfurling" https://api.slack.com/docs/unfurling
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tantek what is unfurling
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unfurling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=unfurling&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424906740865
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tantek unfurling is what /Slack calls /link-preview
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Loqi ok
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tantek huh, those / refs didn't turn in to [[ ]]
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aaronpk oh ha
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] these mockups look a hell of a lot like that Twitter/Facebook convergence graphic <https://medium.com/inside/blogging-on-medium-95f1546bcd7d>
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] e.g., <https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*-WhHEIYNclJIXl4qk0M9IA.png>
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] lol yes they do
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colintedford snarfed, you have a separate page (or pages) for replies & other "noisy" content that you post, right?
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aaronpk yes, and I do too
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colintedford What are you calling that? (doing something similar & haven't found a good page name)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you calling that" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+calling+that&summary=prompted+by+colintedford+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-02-25%2Fline%2F1424907658284
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colintedford Thank, Loqi :P
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Loqi grins profusely
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acegiak anyone done a comparison between slack and convos?
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aaronpk I have multiple separate pages
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acegiak I think I'm probably unlikely to switch from irssi but I want to know what to recommend to people that I'm trying to lure in
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colintedford aaronpk, OK, I see, looking at your page. "Replies" is what I was curious about. Thanks!
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colintedford snarfed doesn't link to his; I know it's come up before but can't find it.
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] acegiak: I tried out convos last night, it was a nice ui, slow to switch between tabs and still essentially has all the complexity of IRC
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] colintedford: it's the archives page on <http://snarfed.org|snarfed.org>, the icon looks like a little calendar
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snarfed colintedford: yup, https://snarfed.org/responses
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snarfed yup what kylewm said
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acegiak kylewm: how does slack reduce that complexity?
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Loqi [slack/aaronpk] acegiak: you should try it!
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colintedford thanks, snarfed
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acegiak aaronpk: maybe. signing up for those sorts of services feels a bit icky to me?
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aaronpk http://slack.indiewebcamp.com <-- I made it pretty easy :)
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snarfed colintedford: the umbrella term has been debated btw responses and interactions for a while. http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions#Alternatives
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] acegiak: slack has no /msg NickServ identify &lt;password&gt;, for one... :simple_smile:
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] acegiak: you also get a lot of the features of having an IRC bouncer (logs, seamless transition between desktop and mobile) without setting up ZNC
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Loqi [slack/kylewm] (or weechat or quassel or irssi)
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aaronpk hmm, would "kylewm@slack" look better?
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aaronpk I could drop the brackets that way too
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aaronpk kylewm@slack: even
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colintedford snarfed: Oh, yeah, I remember that. I'm using "discussion" to cover my comments on other sites plus things like the occasional github issue.
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colintedford But the name's kinda long. (also, planned to include incoming comments eventually but prolly want to have separate pages for that, too)
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colintedford Gotta ponder more, I guess.
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Loqi [slack/pwcc] aaronpk yeah, a little bit easier to read too.
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kylewm ha, :simple_smile:
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Loqi aaronpk@slack: k let's see how that looks
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@HongPong are you guys doing #indiewebcamp at MIT in March? I think i will go to that thing @withknown @benwerd @erinjo (twitter.com/_/status/570734525338284032)
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Loqi kevinmarks@slack: Slack uses irc/name so slack/name could work
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Loqi aaronpk@slack: that's what it was (with brackets)
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Loqi aaronpk@slack: I can also change the name that shows up here to be kylewm/irc instead of irc/kylewm