#indiewebcamp 2014-10-22

2014-10-22 UTC
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tantek hmm - Twitter real-time interaction display is flakey - showed on favorite, then nothing more
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tantek reloaded, saw +1 retweet and +5 favorites
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tantek greetings - anyone here at HTML5DevConf?
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Loqi [mention] http://caitlingannon.com/2014/what-the-indie-web-is-all-about-and-how-to linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://caitlingannon.com/bookmark/9effa2c387920682757ce92ed0c651d1/http-indiewebcampcom- linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /real-time_interactions (+179) "note unreliability of Twitter's implementation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /real-time_comments (+1023) "expand stub, dfn, indieweb examples, silo examples" (view diff)
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tantek and looks like we're back from the netsplit
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tantek anyone here @HTML5DevConf?
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@techlifeweb Still can't get my @withknown install to talk to Facebook. #indieweb http://known.techlifeweb.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/524719817119379456)
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@SDITSystems RT @techlifeweb: Still can't get my @withknown install to talk to Facebook. #indieweb http://known.techlifeweb.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/524720319383494656)
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tantek !tell adactio,snarfed perhaps the answer to the PWC/PSL dilemma/confusion is simple. Always post more content on the original on your own site, always link to the original since there is always more content there.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@widianto RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524721911784165377)
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kylewm tantek++ that made me :)
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Loqi tantek has 105 karma
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tantek thanks kylewm. I'm actually half serious.
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kylewm that's why it made me happy! reminds me a little of https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/335177497287217152
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@BarnabyWalters @t @wavis my wish list is “no more need for POSSE” ;) #indieweb (https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1424/) (twitter.com/_/status/335177497287217152)
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tantek "If you're reading me on Twitter, you're only getting half the message." #indieweb
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tantek "Tired of shallow tweets? Host your own thoughtful notes." #indieweb
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ShaneHudson Barnaby's reply context confused me then, thought the note was from you tantek because your name was first and has a box around it
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tantek ShaneHudson: indeed!
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mko tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 106 karma
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kylewm aaronpk and ben_thatmustbeme have set a high bar for displaying reply contexts in an obvious way
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kylewm where it's clear who is saying what
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tantek.com edited /multiple-reply (+175) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ add another multi-reply with a slightly different variant" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm indeed
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tantek kylewm - it strikes me that "middling" http://werd.io/view/51f01e17bed7de2b1d060400 is another way of expressing this - always post more content on your own site.
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snarfed tantek: heh, funny idea. i like the spirit! …i'm not sure it works in practice though. plenty of note posts are a single, small, atomic idea that shouldn't be either abbreviated or bloated
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 33 minutes ago: perhaps the answer to the PWC/PSL dilemma/confusion is simple. Always post more content on the original on your own site, always link to the original since there is always more content there.
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snarfed pure photo posts (ie without caption) even more so
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tantek I think I meant http://werd.io/2014/middling-doesnt-need-a-name---but-im-glad-to
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snarfed example: https://snarfed.org/2014-07-11_10070
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tantek snarfed - is that not an example of the aforementioned shallow tweet? as the comment from Rajesh illustrates?
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snarfed tantek: heh. maybe. and yes, maybe we all should promote some of our notes to articles…but not all, right?
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snarfed again, pure photo posts would be another example
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tantek snarfed - is it even worth POSSEing a pure photo post to Twitter?
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snarfed it's unusual, sure. i think i have before though. regardless, we each get to choose for ourselves, right?
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tantek of course!
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tantek hence thinking this out loud
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snarfed we'd definitely posse pure photo posts to instagram, right?
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@davidmead So @adactio just posted a fantastic round up of #indieweb building blocks - https://t.co/wpGoWDAihu. "Go and do likewise" (twitter.com/_/status/524732351268397057)
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snarfed or at least, with short captions
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tantek snarfed - I suppose it's a non-issue until we *can* POSSE to IG
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tantek ;)
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snarfed oh no, it's not about posseing specifically
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snarfed forgot the acronym, but ownyourgram is the same thing
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snarfed we probably wouldn't expect people to write paragraphs about each instagram picture they post
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+233) "adactio building blocks, benwerd webmention introduction" (view diff)
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KevinMarks Ideally twitter would make cards from our photo posts so we don't have to upload to them too
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@kevinmarks “a common shared purpose, with many… different, most likely opposing strategies to achieve that purpose.” http://nilofermerchant.com/2014/10/18/how-to-invent-the-future/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/524736535804260352)
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tantek snarfed - ownyourgram is PESOS from IG->yoursite
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tantek snarfed, the difference is that on Flickr (rather than IG, for the purpose of practical example), it is reasonable to leave comment like: Originally posted at: (permalink)
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tantek or put it as part of the "description" on the photo
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tantek similar to the experience on FB POSSE copies
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@davidmead .@benwerd webmention from http://davidmead.withknown.com to https://adactio.com/journal/7698#comment8423 pulling through code. Odd. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/524740337911095296)
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snarfed tantek: ok. so the proposal to always post more content on your own site is twitter-specific?
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snarfed it wouldn't work for me personally - i definitely post tweet-length notes and photos with tweet-length captions that i wouldn't want to invent filler for - but that's just me. it could work for others!
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snarfed any known users online?
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kylewm I... have used Known, can I help?
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snarfed in known, you indie reply/like/rsvp to the current page with a…bookmarklet? browser extension?
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snarfed i'm writing a post and wondering if there's a canonical link to docs for it
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kylewm lemme see what it's called
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kylewm there's a Firefox Service
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kylewm and a more general Bookmarklet
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snarfed ok
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snarfed you find them in an admin area of your known?
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snarfed i'm looking for a public link to them, or similar, but maybe there isn't one
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snarfed found commits like https://github.com/idno/idno/commit/ea861e072996d61da2dcba7bfb76d25183a6e0f1
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snarfed maybe i'll just skip the link
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kylewm hmm, I know I have seen a posta bout it on ben's site
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snarfed ahh
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kylewm you enable it under Site configuration > Site Features, and then the extension itself is under Settings > Firefox
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snarfed thanks
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kylewm a ha http://werd.io/2013/replying-via-the-firefox-social-api-integration
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kylewm Does anybody have an example of a reply context where someone is replying to an article?
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snarfed nice! also http://werd.io/2014/my-indieweb-life-how-my-site-gives-me-an-awesome##reply+to+my+friends
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kylewm theeeere you go, much more in line with how it looks now
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kylewm (looking for styling help, showing the context of an article without reproducing the whole thing)
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snarfed kylewm: totally! GWG was thinking about that too. afaik no one yet has a clear alg for auto extracting snippets for reply context
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snarfed fwiw, it's a very broad problem, there's been a ton more work on it outside indieweb
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snarfed one hack could be to reply to a fragmention, and then extract the n sentences starting with that one, or similar
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kylewm ha, that's an interesting idea
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kylewm anything would be better than currently solution https://kylewm.com/2014/10/replying-this-way-is-so-amazingly-seamless-like-magic
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snarfed heh yeah
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snarfed if you figure out something good, you'd be the first!
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snarfed (here at least)
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kylewm I think barnaby does a nice job
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snarfed oh yeah?
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kylewm here's a reply to a very long note https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4YfB3y/
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snarfed yeah that's decent
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snarfed btw, any more thoughts on updating syndication links?
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kylewm just removing that check would probably work ok
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snarfed yeah?
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snarfed i guess we can write a test and try it :P
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kylewm looking...
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snarfed sorry, didn't mean to nerd snipe you. that's a good lead, i'm happy to write the test and see
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kylewm ok no actually we'd want to add some logic to skip re-discovered relationships that already exist
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kylewm because right now it's assuming it's only visiting posts that have never had a syndication url before
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kylewm haha that's ok :)
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snarfed so kylewm, i have yet another snipe to push on top of your stack :P
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snarfed not at all urgent…but when you get a chance, could you try using the known reply bookmarklet and see what the path and query params are for the in-reply-to URL and title?
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snarfed ie this: http://werd.io/2014/my-indieweb-life-how-my-site-gives-me-an-awesome##bookmarklet
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kylewm snarfed: like this? http://kylewm.withknown.com/share?share_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsnarfed.org%2F2014-09-30_10770&via=ff_social&share_type=reply
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snarfed kylewm: ah perfect, thanks!
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kylewm sure! heading to bed shortly. looking forward to seeing this mysterious blog post
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kylewm g'night!
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snarfed heh thanks. night!
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snarfed kylewm: https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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snarfed bear: just saw that you're another of brett slatkin's draft book reviewers. small world!
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snarfed https://twitter.com/EffectivePython/status/524783701188542464
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@EffectivePython The second draft is done! Thanks to @brettsky, @tavisrudd, and @bear for their technical guidance. Now: one last polish for the final draft. (twitter.com/_/status/524783701188542464)
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kylewm i am pre-ordering the heck out of that
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cweiske I finally got per-paragraph linking working on my blog; http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webactions.htm#iframe-li2
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cweiske s/linking/anchors/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: I finally got per-paragraph anchors working on my blog; http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webactions.htm#iframe-li2
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cweiske id generation code at http://p.cweiske.de/144
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tantek cweiske - excellent!
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tantek and snarfed - great post on streamlining interactions on Android - that's quite a slick way of doing it!
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GWG Good morning
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tantek Good night
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Loqi ciao
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tantek buonanotte!
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GWG tantek, heading off or just playing with Loqi?
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@msdq RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524819716448481280)
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@mrjoe Breakfast and reading about Indieweb basics https://adactio.com/journal/7698?utm_content=bufferba25b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer from @adactio (twitter.com/_/status/524823524016680961)
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@border_none .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524828920567562240)
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@jkphl RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:… (twitter.com/_/status/524829002528477184)
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@adactio @susanjrobertson You can, but webmention gets tricky—right now JavaScript is the only way. https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (twitter.com/_/status/524829206522630144)
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@faulancr RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:… (twitter.com/_/status/524829368422785024)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/17766956 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/17766956 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@javascriptd RT @adactio: @susanjrobertson You can, but webmention gets tricky—right now JavaScript is the only way. https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/524839325301608448)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524839325301608448 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524839325301608448 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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@optimumtech1 RT @adactio: @susanjrobertson You can, but webmention gets tricky—right now JavaScript is the only way. https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/524847776232787969)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524847776232787969 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524847776232787969 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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@loicmathaud RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:… (twitter.com/_/status/524848660744794112)
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@schnarfed @kevinmarks true! (for context: https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android ) (twitter.com/_/status/524850673863495680)
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@voxpelli @susanjrobertson I use Jekyll and created https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to enable WebMentions on it, feel free to try it /cc @adactio (twitter.com/_/status/524851066790510592)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524851066790510592 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524851066790510592 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524858885963010048 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524858885963010048 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/14452237 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/14452237 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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cweiske.de edited /stapibas (+54) "/* Features */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Atom (+100) "/* IndieWeb implementations */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /stapibas (+46) "/* Source code */" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/bretolius/524602626952794112/524853588351541248 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch (webmention)
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@dudleystorey I was IndieWeb before indieweb was cool. But I still need to integrate @adactio's excellent suggestions here: https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524867829825564672)
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@the_Zieger RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:… (twitter.com/_/status/524873049343266816)
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tommorris Just a bit of a design change on https://tommorris.org/ :)
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csarven tommorris I dig the colours + layout, but the text size is too small for my mid 30s eyes ;P
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tommorris yep, may plonk that up a bit shortly.
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tommorris the main thing is that there was some footer text that was confusing to people so I wanted to change it, and I figured I should deploy the other stuff I had queued up.
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@xtof_fr Les briques de construction #indieweb par @adactio https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (Tout comme jeremy, prêt á partager .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/les-briques-de-construction-indieweb-par-adactio-journal7698-tout-comme (twitter.com/_/status/524882356822212608)
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@hpk42 RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:… (twitter.com/_/status/524883170672795648)
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@froginthevalley Indie web building blocks: "small pieces loosely stacked". great write-up of current #indieweb options. https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524903190429323265)
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@franatique The #indieweb is a silent revolution: http://www.frankleue.de/indieweb/ #indiedata cc: @bastianallgeier @aral @jkphl @cznweb (twitter.com/_/status/524905700431265792)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.eidenschink.eu/2014/10/indie-web-building-blocks.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@adrianshort Some people seem to have forgotten that Facebook is not the web and the web is not Facebook: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/22/facebook-removing-childbirth-female-images#comment-42581661 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/524923075109093376)
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@HalukSBalkan RT @SwiftLDN: Aral Balkan calls Greg Casamento about #Phoenix, live at #Swift London @aral @bheron @indie | #swiftlang #indieweb http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/524923897511444480)
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@adrianshort RSS feeds + open source RSS readers: aggregate your own content without worrying about someone's stupid business plan. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/524926140713299968)
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gRegor` Morning, indiewebcamp
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cuibonobo good morning gRegor`
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gRegor` Hey, cuibonobo. Haven't seen you around in a while. How's your project going?
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cuibonobo it's going very well! though I took a break from it for a little while because Eve, the RESTful framework i'm using as a base, had a few bugs i needed to fix
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hmans cuibonobo, tell me more about Eve.
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cuibonobo hmans: it's a RESTful framework that uses Flask to build the application itself and MongoDB as storage (though the storage is extensible and people have got it working with SQL dbs)
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@cznweb RT @franatique: The #indieweb is a silent revolution: http://www.frankleue.de/indieweb/ #indiedata cc: @bastianallgeier @aral @jkphl @cznweb (twitter.com/_/status/524936296180236288)
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hmans cuibonobo, remind me... Flask was Python, right?
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cuibonobo mhm. a Python mini-framework for web apps
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hmans cuibonobo, I'm mostly a Ruby person, but used to do a bit of Python way back, currently looking into Elixir and Lua
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ben_thatmustbeme morning all
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cuibonobo i wouldn't be programming at all if it weren't for Python. UX is important, even for programming languages :D
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hmans Python is great.
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ben_thatmustbeme avoids python v ruby
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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hmans I love all programming languages.
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hmans Which is a lie.
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ben_thatmustbeme i was going to say "lolcode?"
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ben_thatmustbeme anyway, what are you all working on?
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hmans Still #pants. Always #pants.
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hmans I posted a big old 4-month retrospective yesterday, going into some technical detail. http://hmans.io/zgb163
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reedstrm hehe: watched a presentation showing how easy it was to add any given language to PostgreSQL as a PL (procedural language). He chose lolcode as his example. (there, let's cross the streams - DBs _and_ language! :-) )
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cuibonobo ducks
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cuibonobo hmans: just read your post. very interesting! there were a few things that we ended up doing similarly, which gives me some peace of mind: open-source from the start, choosing a framework you're very familiar with, and server-side HTML rendering
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cuibonobo i ended up using a document database though, mostly because i didn't know how my schema would end up
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hmans cuibonobo, what is your project, anyway?
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cuibonobo hmans: an Evernote replacement that allows for faceted search of posts and per-post permissions. i've got it up here: https://github.com/jenmontes/piss
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hmans piss \o/
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cuibonobo haha
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Mark87 haha great name
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hmans piss & pants, what's wrong with us.
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cuibonobo haha!
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Mark87 although your reasoning behind it is great
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reedstrm well, yeah, not really. Fun at first, but ... limits the possibility to really take off. I certainly can't suggest it as a replacement for my evernote using colleagues at work ... (sorry to be the old man)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524940311718424577 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524940357675409408 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524940357675409408 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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cuibonobo reedstrm: exactly! i don't *want* you to recommend it. it's not ready for anyone to install and it's still missing a bunch of features. right now it only works for me, which is what i was going for. if for any reason i want to open it up to more people in the future, i'd likely rebrand
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cweiske cuibonobo, related to your project: grauphel, a tomboy note sync server. http://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?action=content&content=166654
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524940445302812672 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524940445302812672 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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cweiske it's my evernote replacement I can use today, because there are clients for linux, windows, osx, android and maemo
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gRegor` Accent one of the letters in PISS and then it's fancy
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reedstrm o.k. that's actaully pretty wel lthought out, Rebranding's a pain, though :-)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524859039604563968 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/524859039604563968 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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reedstrm gRegor`: or deathmetal
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gRegor` Haha
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cuibonobo reedstrm: haha, it *is* a pain to rebrand, but the smaller i keep the existing user-base, the easier it will be :D
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cuibonobo cweiske: this looks like a very cool project. does it need owncloud to work, or can it stand alone?
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cweiske it needs owncloud, since I made it an owncloud app
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cweiske but there is a standalone server called rainy
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cweiske http://dynalon.github.io/Rainy/#!index.md
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reedstrm agreed - I had the experience of making up a cool project name once, when testing someone's plugin-manager site, w/ the understanding that the db would be cleared when it went live. The author liked my name and description so much he left it live. Which lead to people contacting me about how that project was going.
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reedstrm Which I'd never written code for. Even had an offer to give a talk!
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ben_thatmustbeme hey tgbrun
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tgbrun ben_thatmustbeme: hey
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ben_thatmustbeme has anyone else implemented a contact entry page? I'm going to be testing some ideas i have for pulling them in to a central page
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cuibonobo cweiske: hmm. unfortunately i can't get the tomboy app to run on mavericks.
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ben_thatmustbeme just want as many examples as possible
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aaronpk contact entry?
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@EThompson_22 We will rock this ACT benchmark! PLAN Prep! #griffinpride #actprep #futureboss #ownyourdata @rockECHSprin @RCS_NC https://twitter.com/EThompson_22/status/524947036719022080/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524947036719022080)
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kylewm mine's not very exciting, ben_thatmustbeme https://kylewm.com/new_contact
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, its a good start though
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ben_thatmustbeme what are you getting "Nicks" from? just twitter/facebook username?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, like ben.thatmustbe.me/contact
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm going to be making my own personal contact list that is available once I sign in. rather than managing it all via my homescreen icons, I'm going to try an make it look and feel like that, but in a web-page, so that it unifies design for example
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aaronpk mine is super not fancy http://aaronparecki.com/contact
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ben_thatmustbeme don't have it as an h-card? *gasp*
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, thats okay, i want a variety, so i can code for worst case scenarios.
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Loqi gives ben_thatmustbeme a variety
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ben_thatmustbeme possibly just create some recommended markup to make things simpler
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aaronpk yeah I need to update mine
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aaronpk I also have a bunch of links on my home page
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ben_thatmustbeme o_O thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme i have mine worked out to whitelisted people who login get the full set of contacts
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ben_thatmustbeme s/contacts/contact info
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i have mine worked out to whitelisted people who login get the full set of contact info
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aaronpk so fancy
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aaronpk i should do that soon
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Loqi agreed.
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ben_thatmustbeme is tempted to just pull /contact and a few others from everyone in irc-people and see who has it there
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aaronpk fancy new permalinks on my site! http://aaronparecki.com/2014/10
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Mark87 oooh!
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cuibonobo nice!
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cuibonobo i'm seeing a few broken image links though
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aaronpk yeah I think I forgot the plane icon
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cuibonobo ah!
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aaronpk oh right cause I was on the plane when I did this and did not have acces sto the nounproject.com :)
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ShaneHudson aaronpk: Hah that looks good :)
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aaronpk thanks!
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kylewm reminds me a little of the edit history at the bottom of fedwiki pages\
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aaronpk ok added plane icon!
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joskar ben_thatmustbeme: I'm not sure what you mean by 'implemented a contact entry page', but I have my email and skype info on my front page. Does that count?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'm going to parse those too if you don't have a page that has any more info
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ben_thatmustbeme joskar, i have a page that lists my phone number, email address, etc but only after someone logs in
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joskar ben_thatmustbeme: So you want to test pages that require logging in?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, just pages in general
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ben_thatmustbeme the login bit will come later
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ben_thatmustbeme i have a good list going now though
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joskar oh, ok
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ben_thatmustbeme but you make a good point about them not having a contact page, just using their homepage
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joskar I haven't found the need yet to have a separate contact page, so I guess I can't help with that :)
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@schnarfed @kyle_wm @kevinmarks yup, in your CMS. :/ here’s how I did it: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this/commit/2f1a3f0ead0b0df9303a066303b429036cf7b128 also supports other similar formats. (twitter.com/_/status/524957190054895616)
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: 28 people have a /contact, really?? i think that's more than h-feed
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, doesn't mean they are all marked up in any way shape or form
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ben_thatmustbeme only 13 of those use h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme actually 29/14 as i didn't count myself
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ben_thatmustbeme had one return a gzip, which was slighly annoying
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aaronpk mko: related to personal metrics, this might interest you :) http://aaronparecki.com/2014/10
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mko I just saw it (was reading the logs) and was about to comment to you. lol
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aaronpk :)
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mko aaronpk++ Love it.
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Loqi aaronpk has 591 karma
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aaronpk I actually really like being able to see at a glance what city(ies) I was in each day in the calendar view!
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kylewm I like being able to see how many martinis you had before smart car
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mko lol
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk I was wondering how long it'd take before someone picked up on that
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aaronpk now the missing piece is my foursquare checkins, then it'll be a pretty complete picture
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aaronpk still don't have a solution i'm happy with for storing venues on my site. I think I'm just going to be doing incrementing numbers as files in my "venues" folder
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aaronpk how are others doing that?
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aaronpk interesting, kylewm it looks like you don't actually associate checkins with a venue?
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aaronpk same with benwerd
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marginalventures aaronpk : how do you map yourself?
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aaronpk marginalventures: I have a GPS tracker app running 24/7 on my phone, sending data to my server
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aaronpk any time I make a post on my site, it grabs the location from the server and reverse geocodes it to find the city name
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aaronpk that's why all my posts have geo data, even if they were created from an app that doesn't have support for that
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marginalventures awesome. which app? if you don't mind me asking
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aaronpk I wrote it https://github.com/esripdx/Offline-Logger-iOS
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marginalventures woah
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marginalventures thanks
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aaronpk it's a really simple app
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aaronpk and quite ugly
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Guest44641 What is venue?
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Loqi A venue is a higher level abstraction of a location or address/geo that typically has a name, and is used for checkins http://indiewebcamp.com/venue
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marginalventures did you write it yourself because no others can post to your server?
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aaronpk yeah, and because I am very particular about collecting that data
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gRegor` Ah, that feels better.
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aaronpk and I wanted to also include the walking/running/driving motion data that the iPhone 5S provides
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aaronpk i gotta finish my updated blog post about how I'm storing all this data
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gRegor` could change my nick to gRegor44641 to get karma to work
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rascul don't do it
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gRegor` But then people would think I'm from Louisville, OH
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tantek what is 44641?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "44641" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=44641
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bear !tell snarfed yes, i've been enjoying the book tech review for his book
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` refuses to add postal codes to the wiki
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aaronpk not a lot of people publishing venues
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aaronpk is barnaby really the only one?
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gRegor` I think mko has them?
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mko I'm publishing them.
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mko https://mowens.com/entries/at/choose-energy
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aaronpk mko: can you add your example here? http://indiewebcamp.com/venue#Indieweb_Examples
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aaronpk mko: oh nice, that's what I wanted to do
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@xoxco @jamesaddison Very doable. Another thought is to use something like Micropub http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (twitter.com/_/status/524967747328180225)
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mko And I have a "non-venue" option as well: https://mowens.com/entries/at/the-internet
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aaronpk mko: wow you have both "likes" and "favorites"?!
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mko Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how to duplicate any Twitter faves and Facebook likes that I make, so I needed them to exist.
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aaronpk what is the difference?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "the difference" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+difference
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aaronpk lol oops
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mko For me, "Like" is more transient and long-term will not have advanced viewing methods. It's typically used for short-term shows of appreciation. "Favorites" on the other hand are a type of Bookmark for me that will turn into a curated list of links.
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mko Likes are also not as strong of a statement as Favorites.
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aaronpk do you also publish "bookmarks" then?
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mko Not yet. Haven't decided how I'd want to publish those.
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aaronpk ok so it looks like your venues are uniquely identified by a slug
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mko But basically, I see Favorites as a long-term browsable historical reference of strong positive sentiment bookmarks while Likes are a short-term browsable reference of moderately positive sentiment bookmarks.
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aaronpk brb coffee
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mko aaronpk: Yep. Right now, that's how I have been IDing them.
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Mark87 mko, Likes might also be usable in the future for indie machine learning ;)
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mko Mark87: I *like* the way you think. ;)
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mko Literally: https://mowens.com/likes/2014/10/22/1/michael-liked-httpindiewebcampcomirc2014-1
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mko I really need to fix my permalink slugging process.
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mko Should have shared the short url instead of the canonical url.
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Mark87 haha, that's pretty cool
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk mko: how do you create/generate the slug?
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aaronpk and what is your plan for things like starbucks?
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mko Right now, I'm fine with different venues with the same name being duplicated for the primary slug, actually.
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk hadn't even considered that, lol
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mko All I do right now is just URLify the name with a basic slug.
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aaronpk i'm planning on doing proper venue pages though, with venue info, a map, etc, plus the list of checkins below, so I need to have unique slugs per venue
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mko There's a secondary qualifier with the location hash that I'm tracking for the full address of the venue appended to the venue slug for when I need to separate them.
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mko No you don't.
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GWG Good day all
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aaronpk location hash? like geohash of the lat/lng?
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mko I've got a hash of the street addres + locality (city) + region (state) + zipcode.
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GWG I've been following the talkings in here
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aaronpk oh, like sha hash or something?
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mko Yeah. It's a checksum basically.
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mko I'm looking into compressing it to a base60 hash.
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aaronpk newbase60++
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Loqi newbase60 has 1 karma
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mko Yep
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mko I've already implemented newbase60 as a Node package, so it would be easy to implement the conversion back and forth for an arbitrary object hash.
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aaronpk wow you have a very complete h-card on your pages
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aaronpk except your "significant-other" and "pet" properties should be h-cards too ;) that way you can link to their websites
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aaronpk i'm assuming your cat has a website
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aaronpk my cat will certainly have a website. once I get a cat.
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ShaneHudson I need to sort out my microformats, not got around to putting them back
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aaronpk speaking of encoding formats, just found this interesting set of characters for base36 encoding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash-36
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aaronpk 23456789bBCdDFgGhHjJKlLMnNPqQrRtTVWX "Characters are chosen to avoid vowels, vowel-like numbers, character confusion, and to use lowercase characters which are generally distinct from their uppercase equivalents in standard typefaces."
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cuibonobo avoiding untended English words in a hash seems like an odd thing to want
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cuibonobo *unintended
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aaronpk why?
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cuibonobo i just feel like it's an odd thing to care about
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cuibonobo like, why does it matter that a hash might look like a word?
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GWG Who was talking about venues?
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aaronpk don't know about you but I don't really want words like "sex" in my URLs
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aaronpk (among other other words)
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aaronpk GWG: I'm trying to figure out how to add checkins and venues to my site as the last missing piece of my metrics feed
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cuibonobo is that really it? the removal of potentially objectionable words?
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@theanxy A great write up on IndieAuth, webmention, micropub and POSSE by @adactio: https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524978933566308352)
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aaronpk for something like a hash of a location, where the characters themselves don't have any human-parseable meaning, I don't want to introduce accidental meaning by spelling a word
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GWG aaronpk: I was giving that some thought. What have you considered so far?
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cuibonobo that's fine. i think i'm coming the idea that i know these characters have no human-parseable meaning, so finding accidental words might actually be a bonus. like finding shapes in the clouds.
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aaronpk GWG: right now I'm leaning towards a slug, and for duplicate slugs like "starbucks", making them unique by adding a hyphen and the geohash of the location
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aaronpk like starbucks-8HWgbDr
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tantek what is a geohash?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "geohash" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=geohash
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GWG aaronpk: I've been thinking about it, and trying to decide the level I need. I don't report location as much as you do
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tantek and what geohash is THAT one?
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GWG Although, in fairness, I think few people report to the level you do
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aaronpk that's actually a geo36 hash
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aaronpk http://geo36.org/8HWgbDr
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aaronpk now i'm wondering what it would take to make a newbase60 geohash
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aaronpk cause they'd be shorter I think
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tantek aaronpk - I'm way ahead of you
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cuibonobo i'm interested in how the decimals are converted. do you just multiply by the accuracy?
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tantek from about 5-6 years ago
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aaronpk oh?
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aaronpk cuibonobo: there's a walkthrough of encoding and decoding here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash
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tantek yeah - there's an easter egg on my wiki for a geohash
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tantek see if you can find it ;)
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aaronpk wat
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tantek (not that difficult)
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aaronpk unfortunately geohash.org is down
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tantek aaronpk - it is yet another thing that I have copious development notes but never got around to implementing. even a domain name.
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tantek and wait til you find my 3-d geohash
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tantek can't code fast enough for all the ideas :/
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GWG I think you two are too far ahead of me.
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tantek GWG start with ISO Ordinal dates if you want to live in the future.
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tantek mko: could you expand upon your thinking/motivations for this statement? "Should have shared the short url instead of the canonical url." I'm very interested the use-cases / considerations people have for that
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cuibonobo aaronpk: each bit halves the range of possibilities. fascinating!!
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aaronpk tantek: no results found searching your wiki for "geohash"
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cuibonobo http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/25818823/OctalGeo
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tantek aaronpk: please. if you could do a simple "search" like that would it really be an easter egg?
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aaronpk here's a good visual http://www.bigdatamodeling.org/2013/01/intuitive-geohash.html
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tantek cuibonobo++ wins the hunt! :)
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Loqi cuibonobo has 14 karma
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GWG tantek: I think I need to fix timezones first
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk tantek: without an example there I can't tell... does it have the same property of geohash where you can remove characters at the end of the string to make it less accurate?
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aaronpk or are the lat/lng still encoded separately?
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tantek aaronpk, in the summary at the top of page
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tantek "each octal latitude and longitude digit into a single base 64 character"
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aaronpk squints
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tantek math implied ;)
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aaronpk what math?
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tantek two base 8 digits = a single base 64 digit/character
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aaronpk oh crazy
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tantek note singular use of "digit" in that summary
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tantek everything is built out of math. (cue Pi soundtrack)
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mko tantek: I prefer the short url (the Whistler URL) of most of my entries over the canonical URL because it's just easier to read and doesn't have the ridiculous slug converted from the name at the end of the URL.
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tantek mko - could you add that somehow to this list? http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains#Why_personal_short_URLs
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tantek (also interested in your thoughts on existing entries on that list)
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+18) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add URL for benwerd checkin" (view diff)
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mko Sure thing. I'm about to head into a meeting (I actually have a job now that takes up my time).
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tantek huh - looks like I never documented my 3d geohash
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tantek on my wiki at least
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tantek mko - I hear you - wanted to at least capture your reasoning - thanks for adding that to IRC at least
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pauloppenheim are people building alt geohashes now?
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pauloppenheim is that what's going on here?
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aaronpk there are a ton of alt geohashes already
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aaronpk also geohash.org is broken
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pauloppenheim right
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tantek pauloppenheim: maximally optimal data compression for global coordinates
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GWG I'm wrapping my head around venues still
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tantek GWG: sounds painful.
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pauloppenheim tantek: so long as we learned from google annd use hilbert curves, i'm for it
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aaronpk why is that important?
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GWG tantek: As you know, I try to think of things in WordPress terms, as the platform I'm implementing in.
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pauloppenheim aaronpk: search
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aaronpk but I'm not *storing* the location as a geohash
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tantek aaronpk - how are you storing it?
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aaronpk so it doesn't need to be searchable by the geohash
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aaronpk i'm still gonna store the decimal lat/lng like I do for all my other content
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tantek aaronpk - decimal lat/long is opaque to me already, thus I may just store octalgeos
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aaronpk I can recognize decimal lat/lng somewhat, so it is actually kinda readable for me
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pauloppenheim aaronpk: are you just leaving it up to geoalchemy / something else that turns lat/lon into something indexable?
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tantek I like the general concept of data syntaxes that work as-is in a URL path
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aaronpk pauloppenheim: right now nothing on my site is searchable by location
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tantek aaronpk - that doesn't surprise me that you can read lat/long
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tantek probably a good nav/nerd skill :)
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aaronpk tantek: within Portland, I can give you a street intersection +- 10 blocks usually
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tantek amazing
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aaronpk i might be a little out of practice, I should brush up on that :)
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tantek now if you could make sense of them closer to the poles (where things are far less square/rect-like) then I'd be really impressed ;)
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pauloppenheim aaronpk: i'm looking for the google paper, i'll give you a ref in a min
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tantek pauloppenheim: octalgeo is a more usable (IMO) alternative to hilbert curves
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pauloppenheim close, no cigar: https://code.google.com/p/uzaygezen/
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tantek I have notes on it from watching a session on hilbert curves at one of those where/location conferences held by O'Reilly in Santa Clara - somewhere.
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pauloppenheim tantek: it's not about usability, it's about locality and precision levels
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aaronpk that only matters if you need to index that for search
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pauloppenheim not only
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@PentimentoFilm https://pentimentofilm.squarespace.com/about/ Pentimento is a story of #immigration and #rebirth #indiefilm #indieweb @seedandspark #immigrationreform #struggle (twitter.com/_/status/524986192253952000)
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tantek pauloppenheim: indeed, and OctalGeo is better for those too
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tantek I thought that part was obvious
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tantek it's the usability aspect that tends to be less obvious
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tantek also, simpler processing model
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pauloppenheim closer, not it https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1807158
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aaronpk how do you get from two octal characters to a single newbase64 char?
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aaronpk x*y?
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tantek in OctalGeo, each part of each digit "means" the same thing in terms of directions (NS/EW). whereas in a hilbert curve compression, each "digit" rotates its meaning depending on the value of the previous digit. this is illustrated by this diagram: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Figure2_Hilbert.gif
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tantek aaronpk, I'll give you a clue - how do you get from two 3-bit numbers to a 6-bit number?
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tantek how do you get from two 8-bit numbers to a 16-bit number?
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aaronpk concat?
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tantek bingo
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pauloppenheim aha, this one: https://code.google.com/p/s2-geometry-library/
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pauloppenheim hmm, that's the library that implements the research, but i can't find the research
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aaronpk I feel like there are a lot of implied steps here :) http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/25818823/OctalGeo
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tantek like OctalGeo itself, the prose description is quite precisely compressed ;)
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aaronpk oh my
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aaronpk question... why not use the full range of 512 for both lat/lng? why limit to 128 and 256?
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aaronpk you're already scaling [-90, 90], why not scale that to [-512, 512]? seems like you could get more accurate locations with fewer digits that way
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tantek aaronpk, because squares
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aaronpk are squares important?
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tantek I think it makes the data format more robust if there are fewer special rules
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aaronpk even so, wouldn't latitude to 256 and longitude to 512 still be squares?
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aaronpk ( also there are no squares on the globe ;) )
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tantek aaronpk - no you're forgetting the bit that making them signed consumes
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aaronpk ah yeah
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tantek also note the *key* difference between: [-128.0,128.0] and [-256.0,256.0)
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tantek here, let me take away the numbers for you
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aaronpk oh right
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tantek [,] and [,)
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tantek I'm using all the bits :)
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tantek like I said, maximal compression ;)
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aaronpk you've still got unused bits for latitude tho, unless you use the full [-256.0,256.0] range for that right?
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tantek you don't, you need that bit for full [-128.0,128.0] range
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squeakytoy What do you do with an epileptic lettuce? Make a seizure salad. -- http://imgur.com/gallery/DFcVn
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tantek squeakytoy: did you mean to post that in #indiewebcamp? that's both offtopic, and appears to be mocking epileptics (not cool)
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aaronpk ok I can see you have thought this through
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gRegor` !tell KartikPrabhu I forgot to email Marcy to confirm the venue this week; they apparently have the venue rented tonight, so we'll need to meet elsewhere.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek squeakytoy: you there? serious question.
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squeakytoy tantek, how is that mocking epileptics?
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tantek it's a (bad) attempt at humor, given the phrasing, with the subject of an epileptic
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squeakytoy thats opinion-based, but okay. I apologies. Those Walking Dead jokes might not be funny for you.
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squeakytoy but seriously tho, how can you say that joke is mocking people with epileptics?
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ShaneHudson "What do you do with an epileptic lettuce? Make a seizure salad" yeah that is pretty bad taste really.
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tantek by the general rule that humor about a subject in general mocks that subject
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squeakytoy its a play on words
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tantek irrelevant to its mocking nature
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squeakytoy okay okay
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squeakytoy obviously, this was the wrong crowd
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tantek squeakytoy: mocking anyone based on a medical condition is just not cool in general.
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squeakytoy tantek, please stop.
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squeakytoy it wasnt mocking people who has seizures. The joke didn't even involve any human beings.
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squeakytoy That was far fetched
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tantek squeakytoy: that kind of verbal nitpicking is otherwise referred to as "lawyering" in a community context (e.g. see Wikipedia), and is also not a particularly positive behavior. your joke mentioned "epileptic" and thus was unacceptable.
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squeakytoy and given that the top comment was "Seizure salad got me." with 1345 votes, second place is "The Walking Dad" with 506, I believe most people would find it funny because it was a play on words and not aimed at mocking people.
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davidpeach hello
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reedstrm squeakytoy: gotta stand up for tantek here: that joke was in poor taste at best. And off topic. Your further comments demonstrate a lack of understanding of how humor operates.
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squeakytoy You are making this more dramatic than it needs to be.
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gRegor` Hello, davidpeach
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tantek squeakytoy - "most people would find it funny" is not an acceptable defense of such things.
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tantek squeakytoy: this is not drama, this is clarifying what behavior is and is not acceptable in this community.
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squeakytoy Okay.
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tantek squeakytoy: there is no "stop" to this. it is bad jokes like this that must stup. this is something you have to understand and accept while participating in this community. I'm saying this as a founder/admin and will just say that your apology is accepted (thank you) and suggest you read http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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reedstrm Nope, we're just standing up for community standards here.
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tantek s/stup/stop
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Loqi tantek meant to say: squeakytoy: there is no "stop" to this. it is bad jokes like this that must stop. this is something you have to understand and accept while participating in this community. I'm saying this as a founder/admin and will just say that your apology is accepted (thank you) and suggest you read http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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squeakytoy Okay.
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tantek thanks much squeakytoy. now let's get back to what are all the cool things you're working on building!
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reedstrm tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 108 karma
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reedstrm wonders if squeakytoy may feel a little ... chewed on :-)
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gRegor` hands reedstrm sunglasses
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reedstrm So, anyone have a good tech for html/web annotation?
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squeakytoy Different people have different sensitivity.
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tantek reedstrm: what's the specific use-case you have in mind?
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davidpeach i wonder if anyone could help with sharing to twitter? Ive got it working with SNAP plugin, but am wondering how to best link it back to my site? I am using bridgy to pull in faves etc.
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reedstrm Well, we're building textbooks, and need to do teachers editions. The TEs are basically just annotated versions of the SE.
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tantek GWG ^^^ re: davidpeach
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tantek reedstrm: check out KartikPrabhu's work on fragmention marginalia
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tantek what is marginalia?
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Loqi Marginalia are interactions or responses to arbitrary parts of a post, in contrast to a traditional comment which refers to the entire post http://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia
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JonathanNeal it’s awesome
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GWG davidpeach: When you say linkback, do you mean the link in the tweet or not?
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reedstrm ages ago we implemented annotea, and I think we may have been about the only ones to do the server half :-( But that's all water under a very old bridge.
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tantek reedstrm there we go - take a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia and especially https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
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davidpeach Sorry, yes. in bridgy it says "No post links found". but I read that linking back when the content is the same is bad practice - not offering reader any more that the note on twitter
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reedstrm tantek thanks
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reedstrm reading it already :-)
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GWG davidpeach: What you need then is rel-syndication links
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tantek awesome :)
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tantek excuse me while I create a few redirects
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tantek what is html/web annotation?
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tantek where is Loqi?
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GWG davidpeach: Allowing for post discovery
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davidpeach ahh okay
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tantek what is html web annotation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "html web annotation" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=html+web+annotation
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ben_thatmustbeme so need to figure out exactly how one should h-card annotate contact methods like skype username and such
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GWG davidpeach, can I suggest two possible plugins?
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davidpeach definitely GWG
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davidpeach thanks. and btw all people i have spoken to here have been super friendly.
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tantek what is an html web annotation?
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Loqi Annotations are comments, highlights or any other data added to a (part of a) post typically by individuals other than the author http://indiewebcamp.com/html_web_annotation
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tantek what is annotation?
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Loqi Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author http://indiewebcamp.com/annotation
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GWG davidpeach: There are two rel-syndication plugins for WordPress
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tantek ben_thatmustbe: re: "how one should h-card annotate contact methods like skype username and such" u-url
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GWG davidpeach: One is called Syndication Links, and I prefer it. But that is because I wrote the thing. The other is called Wordpress Syndication. It is more automated than mine at the moment, but less plans for customization.
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davidpeach "rel-syndication for wordpress" is first one I found.
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, seems silly for things like mailto: or sms: etc
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GWG davidpeach: rel-syndication is the old version of Wordpress Syndication.
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ben_thatmustbeme makes sense for profile pages i guess though
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davidpeach Ill give yours a go
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GWG davidpeach: There is a newer version that will automatically put in the links if you use SNAP
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GWG davidpeach: Mine requires you manually use it
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GWG davidpeach: https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links
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ben_thatmustbeme also, I was doing more research on the subject, there is a method for urls for android using href="intent://..." that will load the app you specify in the play store if it doesn't support the custom URL scheme
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GWG davidpeach: I have some plans for automatically pulling in the data, but I always build manual entry and then add in automatic entry.
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gRegor` Hi/bye benwerd
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ben_thatmustbeme unfortunately that means more custom for android bits, that I want to get away from. And I did more checking in to aim and fb-messenger, They took out the ability to call anything from the web in those apps. There is a manifest value "BROWSABLE" that has to be set, and they don't have it anywhere
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ben_thatmustbeme :(
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GWG davidpeach: Also, all of the display functions for my plugins are being rewritten to make them more flexible and work with multiple themes. I coded them a bit too quick and dirty the first time.
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davidpeach okay cool. I do use snap so think ill go with automated one. Is that the one called "Wordpress Syndication"
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GWG davidpeach: Yes.
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GWG davidpeach: I'll advise you if I ever add the automatic import functionality.
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davidpeach definitely thanks. I searched for it and closest is called Syndicate Press. do have a link please?
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tantek ben_thatmustbe: (re: skype u-url etc.) see http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info for a lot more (worded in classic hCard terms but still applies to h-card)
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GWG davidpeach: https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication
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GWG davidpeach: The major difference is that WordPress syndication stores the links as a block of HTML. I only store the URLs and build the links when displaying.
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GWG davidpeach: So, what is still missing on your end?
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davidpeach rel-syndication links are showing now, thanks. I think the only thing is to have site pull in the faves, replies etc from bridgy.
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GWG davidpeach: Well, regrettably, Bridgy doesn't have a retry function.
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davidpeach oki. just posted another test with syndication in place
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davidpeach I just posted another test and still says "No post links found" in bridgy. Should it still pick up replies with syndication link in place or am i missing something obvious?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek. So i'll just push any recognition of the type of url to the client that is polling these pages.
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ben_thatmustbeme mainly for displaying the correct Icon etc
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GWG davidpeach: If the links to the POSSEd posts are there when it looks...
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davidpeach ahh okay
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: not sure of what you mean absent a specific scenario. I mean yes, you can use CSS based on what the href attribute starts with to style something with a background-image in its padding
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tantek a[href^="skype:"] etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a good point, i could do it that way. Originally i was thinking to parse it when I curl the page, that way I can contacts wide just hide all AIM links if I don't have it installed, but I can do that with CSS too. and really it just becomes a list of URLs for each person then.
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ben_thatmustbeme It will be most interesting to try to simulate the drag and drop for all contact icons in the screen. And thus organize contacts on the fly just like the homescreen
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tantek whoa - a homescreen web app. someone must have built that already. at least something that mimics iOS.
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butter Win95 had that iirc
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Loqi butter: tantek left you a message on 10/20 at 10:55pm: welcome back. go ahead and add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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gRegor` davidpeach: Link to your test? Bridgy looks at the homepage for rel-syndication links, or follows a rel=feed link to look for the syndication links there.
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gRegor` davemenninger: Bridgy also only refreshes the rel-syndication check every ~2 hours, I believe.
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davidpeach http://davidpeach.co.uk/third-syndicate-test/
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GWG gRegor`: Does it refresh?
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gRegor` Yeah.
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gRegor` I've had replies to twetes not come through, bugged snarfed, but by that point they'd already come through because Bridgy had an older version of my notes feed.
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gRegor` I presume we're talking about backfeeding replies/favorites from Twitter, right davidpeach?
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gRegor` twetes, heh. Sounds Swedish
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, it should be just a grided layout with drag options on every icon, the biggest trick would be creating folders on the fly
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ben_thatmustbeme would take some work, but it would be really cool, and untether your contact list from any one device
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gRegor` davidpeach: I think you need the rel=feed from here http://indiewebcamp.com/ppd#Algorithm
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gRegor` My notes stream is not on my homepage, so I have <link rel="feed" href="http://gregorlove.com/notes/" type="text/html" /> in the <head>
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ben_thatmustbeme This is what I have been wanting to get to the point of working on ever since i saw that first post of yours on comms
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davidpeach ahhh. okay i get it. thanks! Back in sec
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ben_thatmustbeme actually i really like the idea of the folders though, I can use the folders as the group for a person and that becomes method for whitelist to certain values on my contact sheet. 'Only the people I have listed in my "Friends" folder have access to my actual phone number'
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gRegor` davidpeach: It then might take up to 2 hours, but those bridgy wm should come through eventually. :)
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gRegor` Including my favorite. Yay, Community!
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Loqi woot
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davidpeach okay great
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ShaneHudson My phone number used to be in the footer of my website, but people still used to ask for it over email so I removed it
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson, hah, people didn't know exactly where it would be
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mko The most annoying part of my phone number being public is recruiters calling me.
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ShaneHudson ben_thatmustbeme: Yeah true
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mko Otherwise, I regret nothing about putting my phone number public.
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ShaneHudson mko: I didn't get more spam than normal. But I do a reverse search of phone numbers anyway so tend to know who are real and who aren';t
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mko Yeah. I typically don't answer my phone unless I know to be expecting a phone.
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aaronpk yeah me too
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mko s/phone./phone call.
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Loqi mko meant to say: Yeah. I typically don't answer my phone call.unless I know to be expecting a phone call.
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mko lol
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aaronpk regex lol
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tantek lol
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mko Didn't realize it was a pure regex.
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mko Assumed it was regex-like.
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mko Should have assumed the reverse. >.<
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ben_thatmustbeme mko, yes there are fun things you can do with it
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ben_thatmustbeme s/[a-zA-Z]/💩
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: 💩💩💩, 💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩 💩💩💩💩 💩💩
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Jeena haha
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ben_thatmustbeme does loqi do back substitution?
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Loqi who, me?
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ben_thatmustbeme s/l\(^ +\)/L\1
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ben_thatmustbeme oops, proper regex, sorry loqi
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Working on contacts I saw?
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ben_thatmustbeme s/l\([^ ]+\)/L\1
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG yes
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gRegor` Does the photo for Devil's Tower load on this page? Second photo down: http://gregorlove.com/2014/10/1189/
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: It has given me thought
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cuibonobo gRegor`: yep
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` yes
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gRegor` Very strange... it's hotlnked from Flickr and I'm logged in there, but it's showing broken in Chrome.
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gRegor` Network hiccup I guess. Refreshing worked
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG: Oh? do share
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kylewm gRegor`: Do not assume malice for that which can be explained by dropped packets
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` kylewm's razor
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GWG Well, it dovetails into something I'm working on
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GWG And if I combine the two, I could come up with something interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme reviews GWGs user page for some hint
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I really need to update that
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG so what are you working on?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I was starting to think about improved contexts...such as reply-contexts. This would mean more data on the people I'm replying to. For example, you post something, and I reply to your post...I load up your profile picture and such...
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I started thinking about creating a user profile for the people I am replying to.
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GWG Which would mean me keeping an address book.
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, auto organize contacts by people you reply to most, haha
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Also allows for whitelisting.
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed, i'm already whitelisting
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: But, can I get people to log into my site, I wonder.
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snarfed ben_thatmust: re your android intent msgs, you might be interested in https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.snarfed.android.openinapp
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snarfed i'll happily accept PRs that add more apps!
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, aaronpk worked this out before, the idea is that if you control your auth endpoint, you can generate a key to send to them
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Loqi snarfed: bear left you a message 3 hours, 20 minutes ago: yes, i've been enjoying the book tech review for his book
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ben_thatmustbeme then its all done automatically in the poll
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snarfed davidpeach: re retrying bridgy responses, you can do it manually: https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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GWG snarfed: It isn't as friendly as it could be.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I don't have an auth endpoint. Well...yet.
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snarfed GWG: of course! you beat me to this msg: "we've also been thinking about adding the real feature. feel free to weigh in or even send a PR! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/183 "
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Loqi [mention] http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/10/22/3/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@gRegorLove Note: Homebrew Website Club is moved to Native Foods Cafe tonight: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club @kartik_prabhu @pitchdesign @dentonjacobs (twitter.com/_/status/525018549060792320)
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snarfed also, android users, check out https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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snarfed (reposting since more people are online now)
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GWG snarfed: I read the Android one.
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gRegor` Ooh, I will check that out tonight, snarfed
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ben_thatmustbeme we need an indie-config app, that would be lovely
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Once you consider storing profiles of the people your common replies...it leads to contacts, address books, indie messaging...
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ben_thatmustbeme but it would have to be a plugin for the browser i'd imagine
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, exactly, i figure its the next level
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ben_thatmustbeme after indie-messaging we get to file sharing securely, chat rooms
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I started with wanting to add automatic context import options to my reply-contexts....How did I get to chat rooms?
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gRegor` Nice touch on Native Foods individual location pages: shows the current weather. https://www.nativefoods.com/locations/locations/wicker-park
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ben_thatmustbeme isn't that the same, its just the recursive reply-context
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reedstrm That's a shortform for you "Chat is just extended recursive reply-context - ben_thatmustbeme in #indiewebcamp"
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ben_thatmustbeme if you all reply to all people in the "room" it could work
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Recursive reply-context? Is that a thing?
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GWG kylewm: Glad you liked the photo, by the way
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ben_thatmustbeme gwg https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/12/1/_
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reedstrm and like most recursion, in practice it's mostly tail-recursion :-)
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ben_thatmustbeme reedstrm, absolutely
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ben_thatmustbeme although its multi-tail recursion so its not as easy to just do a loop
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ben_thatmustbeme but entirely possible
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KartikPrabhu_ yo!
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GWG Hi, KartikPrabhu_
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Loqi KartikPrabhu_: gRegor` left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: I forgot to email Marcy to confirm the venue this week; they apparently have the venue rented tonight, so we'll need to meet elsewhere.
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KartikPrabhu_ hi
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gRegor` yo
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GWG I really need to improve the workflow on that
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GWG I've been posting photos. It takes too many steps
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snarfed GWG: do you use the wp app?
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GWG snarfed: It doesn't work for me for a few reasons
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snarfed ok
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu_: Get Ubuntu going?
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GWG 1. It doesn't support settings for publish. I have to switch the settings for SNAP from Note to Photo configuration. The only way for me to solve this is to switch Publish solutions or to not POSSE till later.
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reedstrm what is SNAP
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SNAP" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SNAP
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GWG reedstrm: Are you tanteking?
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reedstrm Was wondering what it was, so, no :-)
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KartikPrabhu_ gregor`: yup. now have to remember all the uncommitted changes I made to code everywhere
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GWG SNAP stands for Social Network Auto Poster. It is a WordPress plugin that is popular, but horribly written codewise. It is very confusing to look at
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gRegor` D'oh
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gRegor` Couldn't rescue/transfer the HD?
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reedstrm scripting loops over git status: never fun
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reedstrm Ah, worse: _lost_ changes. I'm so sorry.
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KartikPrabhu_ gregor`: they are git committed thankfully, I don't remember them though :P
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gRegor` If you want to avoid tanteking, you can start with "What's" and Loqi won't prompt.
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GWG gRegor`: I just find it hilarious that it's become a verb
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GWG What is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it http://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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reedstrm I figured if loqi knew, it'd save you answering. Isn't tanteking ... hehe I think of it as doing it when you already know the answer. :-)
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GWG I was just about to write it
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gRegor` :)
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gRegor` Feel free to. I only redirected it
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GWG But that might not work
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GWG What is SNAP?
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Loqi WordPress is an open source blog software as well as a blog hosting service http://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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GWG See?
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reedstrm wants to make it /Wordpress##SNAP ...
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davidpeach Do people general put replies to other tweets into notes? Or just keep notes for own thoughts?
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aaronpk mine are split, Known splits them
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GWG What is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster http://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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GWG davidpeach: That does actually make me think of a question you could answer about the Taxonomy plugin, if you are up for it
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davidpeach always
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GWG davidpeach: I showed you the kind/reply archive option. Would an option for archiving posts without a selection? Such as Kind=None?
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davidpeach strangely enough i was thinking of that the other day. Once clicked one, cant unclick them
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GWG davidpeach: You have two choices. You can disable the radio selection and go back to the multi-picker, or you can wait...because I want to solve that problem.
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GWG davidpeach: But this is about a custom taxonomy archive for when nothing is selected.
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davidpeach oh okay
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GWG davidpeach: I'll try to fix that problem. I borrowed the radio selection code.
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GWG snarfed1: Still not finding the post links.
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snarfed1 GWG: right, we haven't fixed the bug yet :P
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gRegor` Is there much/any value for the lang="en-US" attribute on the <html> element?
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joskar gRegor`: For me there is (trying to be bilingual here)
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gRegor` Presuming the site is US-centric
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gRegor` joskar: That makes sense
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snarfed GWG: or did you mean with a new post?
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GWG snarfed: Several new posts
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snarfed GWG: ok. my first guess is, they have the FB syndication urls (ie ids) that don't collect the responses (as discussed yesterday). looking now
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snarfed and apologies again!
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snarfed GWG: yeah. for example, https://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/10/22/dublin/ 's syndication link points to https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=729521797136364&id=100002356503167 , which is a synthetic collection, not the individual picture
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GWG snarfed: I was trying to give you a bigger sample size.
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snarfed GWG: thanks!
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GWG snarfed: That is what SNAP returned for it
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GWG snarfed: This just keeps moving Bridgy Publish support higher up on my list.
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GWG snarfed: How is photo posting support again?
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snarfed GWG: it works :P
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/about#picture
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snarfed GWG: continuing on that example, if you use either https://www.facebook.com/100002356503167/posts/729521777136366 or https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729521777136366 as the syndication url (note photo.php instead of permalink.php), those will work
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snarfed just not the one that's there now, since it points to a collection, not the single post/picture
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GWG snarfed: This is making me more annoyed at SNAP
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snarfed GWG: nah, be annoyed at FB for having multiple ids for the same post, and automatically collecting multiple picture together without you asking for it
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GWG snarfed: But if I change the URL to try to fix it...
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snarfed GWG: yeah, it won't work now if you change it since we haven't implemented that, as discussed before
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snarfed you can send them manually though (not easy i know)
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GWG Yes, but it won't work manually unless it can find the target link
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snarfed i think it skips that. trying…
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GWG Not the one on my site
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GWG snarfed: If I switch to Bridgy Publish, you think I'll be less annoyed?
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snarfed GWG: heh, i couldn't say
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snarfed the devil you know :P
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GWG snarfed: I know SNAP and it still drives me nutsx
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joskar gRegor`: For me it would be nice to know (programmatically) the language of the site. In case I reply to it, then my response could automatically be placed in the English section of my own website.
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snarfed no harm in trying bridgy then!
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gRegor` joskar: Good point
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GWG snarfed: How about automatically composing the links for the webmentions on the page?
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snarfed GWG: sorry, i don't follow
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joskar gRegor`: I wouldn't care much about the '-US' part of the language string though...
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gRegor` I'm updating a WordPress header template so it can be used on non-WordPress pages, too, so I was wondering if I should just remove it. I've hardcoded lang="en" for now.
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GWG snarfed: It shows how to compose a webmention on the help page.
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aaronpk joskar: whoa you wrote a microformats parser in C?
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snarfed GWG: ahhh i see. sure! i wouldn't prioritize that myself, but i'd happily accept a PR
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joskar aaronpk: Yup...it's pretty much a generic microformats2 parser. No backwards compatibility though :(
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aaronpk amazing
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joskar I wouldn't call it 'amazing', the gumbo-parser did all of the nasty HTML5 parsing stuff :)
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joskar aaronpk: Are there any special parsing rules about p-* and nested h-* that I'm unaware of? The p-in-reply-to wont resolve to a URL when it's parsed (at least not the examples in /reply-context)
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joskar But thanks for answering :)
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aaronpk you might find something liek class="p-in-reply-to h-cite" which makes the "in-reply-to" property a nested object
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aaronpk example: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Freplies%2F2014%2F10%2F22%2F1%2Foctalgeo
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joskar Huh. That rule was not clear at all from the microformats wiki...That explains my confusion.
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joskar I thought they (the 'in-reply-to' and 'cite') would become siblings when parsed, not parent-child.
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aaronpk I am not at all an expert on the details of parsing. tantek and other authors of parsing libraries are much more qualified to speak about that :)
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joskar tantek just fled :(
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gRegor` I think they'd only become siblings if they were both h-*
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gRegor` I guess not. Just did a quick test and <div class="h-cite h-entry"> renders the 'type' as an array of both types
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aaronpk crap, still haven't picked a place for HWC PDX tonight
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joskar gRegor`: I would classify that as a sibling, it is just that they happen to share the same data?
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joskar A conjoined sibling, perhaps
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aaronpk tempted to just meet at a bar tonight. not sure who is around since I didn't make it to the last couple
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gRegor` joskar: I suppose so. There is only one 'properties' key parses for both of them.
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gRegor` s/parses/parsed/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: joskar: I suppose so. There is only one 'properties' key parsed for both of them.
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ShaneHudson I presume nobody here is going to be in Cardiff next week for The Web Is?
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GWG ShaneHudson: Not I.
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gRegor` So I might use it to check if the 'type' of an in-reply-to is h-cite or h-something, and if true, extract data from the 'properties' key of an in-reply-to
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@jkphl Regained A+ rating after upgrading my SSL cert to SHA2 https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=jkphl.is / https://shaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/check/jkphl.is You should do so too! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/525045871940235264)
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@pwcc @Japh turns out your iOS project is called called micropub & it has a spec http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/525048453227745280)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/22/2/micropub linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/pwcc/525048453227745280/14447132 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/pwcc/525048453227745280/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/pwcc/525048453227745280/525049072814522368 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (webmention)
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tantek catching up on logs (even from this morning)
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tantek re: rebranding - I don't think it's that bad at all. I think cuibonobo has the right idea.
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tantek real world experience example: idno -> Known
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tantek benwerd started with naming his project simply, maybe somewhat geeky, but it was just for himself to start with and that was totally fine.
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tantek As he scratched his itches and made it easier to setup / maintain, keeping it all open source, helping others set it up, he and collaborator erinjo decided to rebrand it and did so. I think it's worked beautifully.
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tantek ben_thatmust, aaronpk, kylewm: re: contact entry page - I think anything to do with "contacts" is heavily overloaded by lots of different expectations (e.g different expected use-cases etc.) hence I separated the "contact me" discussion into /comms.
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tantek joskar++ for a C microformats parser!
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tantek wat
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/pwcc/525048453227745280/771712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/524829206522630144/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ wait, we're cool now? https://twitter.com/dudleystorey/status/524867829825564672
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@dudleystorey I was IndieWeb before indieweb was cool. But I still need to integrate @adactio's excellent suggestions here: https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524867829825564672)
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tantek KevinMarks: in as much as we support permalinks, we've been cool for quite a long time per http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
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@ShaneHudson "I don’t really care about being part of any kind of “movement.” I care about my website." https://adactio.com/journal/7698 Totally agree! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/525056104670453760)
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ShaneHudson Hmm my webmention sending is still buggy, thought I fixed that
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joskar There. Now my parser puts h-* as a child of any other property from the same tag. Thanks aaronpk++ for pointing me in the right direction :)
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joskar aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 592 karma
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aaronpk sweet!
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joskar (Loqi didn't parse it in the text as I thought it would)
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tantek ShaneHudson: Jeremy Keith as the John Lennon of the IndieWeb.
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ShaneHudson Haha Jeremy is one of my most favourite people, have had a man crush on him for years haha
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ShaneHudson I doubt I would have found IndieWeb without him, glad I did :)
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aaronpk omg it is ridiculously grey and cloudy in pdx tonight
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finchd aaronpk: you mean it is Portland-y in Portland? The horror!
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aaronpk we had a pretty good run
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finchd very. Do you know where we are on snowpack?
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aaronpk no idea
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KevinMarks_ ben_thatmustbeme does kevinmarks.com count as a contact page for your purposes?
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finchd 'snow YTD: 0" ' :(
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KevinMarks_ has vestigial mf1 hCards there from when I last tried testing this model in 2007 or so
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tantek try them in uf2 parsers to see how backward compat they are!
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@adactio @susanjrobertson Nice! Did you try testing out IndieAuth by logging into https://indiewebcamp.com/ with your domain? (twitter.com/_/status/525061637481320450)
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KevinMarks_ is reading scrollback, please excuse much-lagged responses
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KevinMarks_ finding words in hashes: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/424810034229297152
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@kevinmarks @sarahjeong you got a wallet with a pony in? wow. such hash collision (twitter.com/_/status/424810034229297152)
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KevinMarks_ also having B and 8 in your has is a character confusion: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-22/line/1413999339626
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aaronpk they have "l" in there too which I don't like
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tantek.com created /contact (+22) "redirect to plural because it is far more often used, for now, until someone wants to come up with a distinct meaning for contact like a verb or something [[comms]] related" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks: B and 8 look quite different in my view of the logs. And I'd say in typical fonts too.
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tantek what font are you seeing confusion between 8 and B
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tantek ?
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tantek aaronpk agreed re: "I" and that's why I use "1" instead
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tantek the reason for avoiding (some?) english words in URLs is URL based filter-proxies.
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tantek that do blocking of URLs based on a keyword blacklist
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KevinMarks_ OCR, handwriting
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aaronpk ha good point
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tantek the *reasoning* that is. I don't actually agree with the conclusion.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/525061637481320450/525062891083272193 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek KevinMark, which font with which OCR software? I'm calling hypothetical here.
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@adactio @melaniersumner Security concern or spam concern? (Webmention *could* also potentially have spam issues, but not aware of security issues) (twitter.com/_/status/525063601904574465)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/525061637481320450/525062911052361729 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/525061637481320450/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ venues are hard. They need constant maintenance, and yet youwant historic ones for logs too. Foursquare has the best one I've seen. SimpleGeo open sourced theirs on shutdown, but not sure it was maintained.
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+20) "/* Respect */ medical conditions - calling out explicitly even though it could (sometimes is) interpreted as subset of / related to disability" (view diff)
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aaronpk maintenance of indie venues is interesting
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aaronpk I may want to indicate a venue is closed for example
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aaronpk venues also sometimes move, in which case I'm not sure if I would want to have the old and new location show up as separate venues or what
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ShaneHudson tommorris, tantek and I were speaking about that at dConstruct. OSM try to show just the current information. But for most of our cases you wouldn't want the data to be overwritten (ie. Starbucks becomes a strip club).
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/525061637481320450/525064971026063360 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/525061637481320450/525063601904574465 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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ShaneHudson A venue database seems very simple at first, but it really isn't
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KevinMarks_ when simplegeo shut down, mg talked about setting up a trust for venue data, but couldn't get enough bites
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KevinMarks_ one of foursquare's more impressive achievements is the UX and persuasion around maintaining their venue data
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525065529904877568 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525065662277120000 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@adactio @melaniersumner Bear in mind that webmention is not pingback. It doesn’t use XML-RPC so any exploits targeting that won’t work. (twitter.com/_/status/525066356816093184)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@adactio @melaniersumner Related: here’s the latest thinking on combatting potential webmention spam: http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch (twitter.com/_/status/525066663880695808)
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KevinMarks_ !tell ben_thatmustbeme Android apps can claim http URL fragmentt as intents, so an app can take over, say, https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/ or anything from twitter.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@melaniersumner @adactio the front page of the webmention.io website. (twitter.com/_/status/525067086532321280)
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@adactio @melaniersumner Ah, right. That’s a fallback that converts pingback to webmention. But going straight to webmention is better. (twitter.com/_/status/525067326308098048)
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@aaronpk @melaniersumner @adactio webmention.io is a hosted service that you can use to accept webmentions for... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/22/3/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/525067361179549698)
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@adactio @melaniersumner Here’s the best starting point for webmention: http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/525067506218971136)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/what-cards-mean-for-the-future-of-social-web-content linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/525018549060792320/525064501734166528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ wishes he was going to hwc to chat to benwerd tonight
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benwerd_ KevinMarks_: I wish that too. Rented a car (mine died) for the whole week of IIW next week - do you think there's scope for meeting in SJ at some point?