#indiewebcamp 2014-01-29

2014-01-29 UTC
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bret Just got an email from Ifttt about downtime :)
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snarfed those servers aren't going to deploy themselves
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snarfed https://twitter.com/snarfed_org/status/426871179102527489
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tantek hey Loqi, why no Twitter quoting?
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Loqi woot!
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tantek no woot Loqi!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek sigh
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tantek Loqi, time to switch to decaf.
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snarfed :P
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snarfed let's just say, of all loqi's problems, the uncanny valley isn't one of them
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peat Hah
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tantek.com edited /federation (+1236) "definition, note exception of DNS for practical work, indieweb focus on federated feature UIs" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed - just expanded the definition of federation for indieweb with some semi-opinionated assertions - would appreciate your review
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/federation
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snarfed will do
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tantek.com edited /sync (+431) "add article of why not to use iCloud sync for apps, expand iTunes citations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /sync (+46) "/* iTunes sync */ using itunes" (view diff)
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snarfed tantek: federation edits look good. the new text doesn't seem (too) opinionated or biased to me
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snarfed clarifying/proposing the indieweb movement's goals doesn't seem opinionated to me, if that's what you meant. more like taking leadership, maybe. go for it. :P
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tantek thanks snarfed
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tantek federation is one of those terms thrown around a lot so I figured it was worth putting down some specifics, even if just from an indieweb perspective
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pdurbin can we get a link to follow for "there are ongoing efforts to figure out how to replace DNS with a peer-to-peer system"?
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tantek pdurbin - I've heard so many but don't want to (don't know enough to) bias a reference to any one of them in particular. I'd rather leave it at people searching for it.
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tantek if you have a favorite, please feel free to reference!
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tantek and I'm not sure how useful this is: https://www.google.com/search?q=replace+DNS+with+peer-to-peer
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tantek I guess the Bittorrent alternatives is the most real sounding?
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tantek s/alternatives/alternative
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I guess the Bittorrent alternative is the most real sounding?
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tantek but it's from 2010 :/ http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-based-dns-to-counter-us-domain-seizures-101130/ and the dot-p2p.org domain is not responding to me :(
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pdurbin !tell tantek ok, thanks. didn't know if you had a favorite
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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upon2020.com edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (-17) "Fixed link to map which hadn't worked for me" (view diff)
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Loqi tantek: pdurbin left you a message 2 hours, 29 minutes ago: ok, thanks. didn't know if you had a favorite
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@FhafaRuqZ #F_RuqzNews added consistency with respect to the way the other types of linkbacks are defined. ← Previous rev... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WebMention&diff=591974111&oldid=574753578&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed (twitter.com/_/status/426204289891971073)
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@FhafaRuqZ_ #F_RuqzNews added consistency with respect to the way the other types of linkbacks are defined. ← Previous rev... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WebMention&diff=591974111&oldid=574753578&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/426204276579266560)
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tantek prime example of why you shouldn't use or encourage invisible metadata: Google for "state of the union" RIGHT NOW
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tantek.com uploaded /File:2014-01-28_at_20.58.22_sotu_search.png "Screenshot of a search for SOTU that shows a problem with invisible metadata."
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KartikPrabhu tantek: how do I see this upload?
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tantek KartikPRabhu - see for yourself - do a google search for state of the union
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tantek also http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-01-28_at_20.58.22_sotu_search.png
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tantek.com uploaded /File:2014-01-28_at_21.17.50_sotu_search_bing.png "For comparison, same search on Bing."
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KartikPrabhu tantek: All of them *do* seem to be relevant to state of the union. What is the problem?
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Loqi the problem is that it looks the same but content has had a link
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tantek KartikPrabhu - the image
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KartikPrabhu I seem to be getting the correct one on my search.
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KartikPrabhu with Biden + Obama
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: you don't know anything about human politics
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KartikPrabhu tantek: Also i have BBC source instead of CNN, even on unpersonalised results. Might be some funny personalisation by language. But I get your point
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tantek Interesting that you're getting BBC instead
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tantek might depend on geo
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tantek anybody else here?
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KartikPrabhu I have place = Chicago but lang = English(UK) so that might be it
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tantek they're doing IP address based stuff
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tantek even if you have place=Chicago it won't effect it
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tantek (or will be a tertiary factor at best)
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KartikPrabhu oh i am in Chicago also... :P
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benwerd huh
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benwerd I'm also getting Biden + Obama
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KartikPrabhu maybe someone at Google fixed it?! unlikely but who knows
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benwerd http://werd.io/2014/state-of-the-union
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benwerd full size: http://werd.io/file/52e8934cbed7de7a1559f5df
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KartikPrabhu benwerd: the Biden+Obama is also the one I have but wit first article from the BBC
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Jihaisse Hello
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@SimplibApp Very excited about tonight's event by #fivebyfive. Glad to meet @chhhloe @nitot @LDBenyayer @gcrouigneau #Opendata #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/428486609223565312)
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@LuluPouss Very excited about tonight's event by #fivebyfive. Glad to meet @chhhloe @nitot @LDBenyayer @gcrouigneau #Opendata #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/428486696444104704)
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jonnybarnes is there anyone there who has indieauth set up on their site, i.e. there site returns header Link: <..>
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jonnybarnes rel="authorization_endpoint"?
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jonnybarnes or uses the html link element to same effect
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aaronpk I do
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jonnybarnes Can you log into https://jonnybarnes.net/notes/new
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aaronpk I believe I return it in both
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: I do too, trying now…
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jonnybarnes once its "working" i need to look at handling errors better
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barnabywalters nice! it works, but my site doesn’t support micropub yet, so I can’t try it out right now
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jonnybarnes but just want to check how I;m doing
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jonnybarnes i havent added the abilty to post yet
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aaronpk I just auth'd successfully!
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jonnybarnes hang on? didnt aaronpk use your site to post to his through micropub?
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jonnybarnes thanks guys
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aaronpk which means you should now have a token you can use to post to my site, heh
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: aaron posted to *his* site, but my own doesn’t support post creation via micropub
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Jihaisse jonnybarnes: I get an error on login with indieAuth
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jonnybarnes yeah, I need to look into that next
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: I came across an error, want me to send you the HTML of the stack trace?
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jonnybarnes yup
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jonnybarnes what error did you get Jihaisse
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barnabywalters it’s the Undefined index: me on AdminController line 290
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Jihaisse https://jonnybarnes.net/beginauth : error
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Jihaisse :)
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aaronpk Jihaisse: jonnybarnes: I got that too then I tried entering my site with "http"
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jonnybarnes hmm
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Jihaisse I tried both
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Jihaisse errors with both
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jonnybarnes going to /beginauth directly will currently result in an error, my routes.php only looks for post requests to /beginauth
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: I was redirected there after entring "aaronparecki.com"
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: what does Indieauth\client::getAccessToken do if it fails to get a token?
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aaronpk I believe it returns an empty array
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aaronpk or actually it returns an array with whatever the response from the token endpoint was
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aaronpk so it might have an "error" key
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neuro` Good(insert timezone here)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (+90) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes what happens if you try now?
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cweiske Good CET!
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: now it says "error determining authorization endpoint" if I just type "aaronparecki.com"
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jonnybarnes ok, having made my route respond to get requests, compare https://jonnybarnes.net/beginauth?me=aaronparcki.com and https://jonnybarnes.net/beginauth?me=http://aaronparecki.com
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jonnybarnes all im doing is dumping the me variable into client::discoverAuth...point()
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jonnybarnes is that something that should be fixed on the client end? or should i be making sure the url passed to is absolute?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: considering that the placeholder for the field just has a domain in, you should probably accept just the domain
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aaronpk ah I see, the indieauth php client is rejecting it cause it's missing the scheme
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/master/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L9
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aaronpk that should probably set the scheme to 'http' if it's not present
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aaronpk in the mean time you could also test for the scheme and set it to 'http' if not set
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: yeah, its easy to do on my end, as aaronpk has just said
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aaronpk before passing it to IndieAuth\Client
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: I think it'll work now
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aaronpk looks good!
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: shall I open an issue on github about the failing with schemeless URLs?
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aaronpk sure!
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tantek.com created /Open-Graph-protocol (+37) "r" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow, a really interesting reason to use a silo email address for things that require email sign-in or allow email password resets http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2014/01/29/lost-50000-twitter-username/
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aaronpk for example if someone were able to take control of the tantek.com domain and changed the MX records, all of a sudden they could do password resets on all services!
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aaronpk so he argues it's safer to use a gmail.com address for sign-in, because in theory it's harder to break in to a gmail account
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sparverius yeah if you're using gmail vs gapps it's probably marginally safer to use gmail
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aaronpk doesn't really have anything to do with google apps
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sparverius unless your registrar is not a piece of shit that shoots elephants for fun
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sparverius i mean, gmail vs your own domain
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sparverius functionally, they're identical, but gmail isn't really susceptable to someone hijacking the domain
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tantek aaronpk - not a silo email address, just an email address other than your personal domain
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EHLOVader wow
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EHLOVader isn't it harder to change domain details though? aren't they supposed to be locked down
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EHLOVader two factor might have helped too right?
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tantek use a *paid* email address, not a free one like gmail. this is all about customer service / responsiveness, which is MUCH better with services you pay for than "free" services.
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EHLOVader ^
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tantek EHLOVader - yes, setup 2-factor
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tantek on your email, Twitter, FB, Github etc.
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EHLOVader bought an encrypted private email at torguard this past year
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tantek ooh
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EHLOVader plan to use it for important secure communications
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EHLOVader I also bought anon proxy services, and an anon vpn
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tantek EHLOVader - can you add a short blurb about that on http://indiewebcamp.com/email-hosting ?
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EHLOVader all different usernames, but a great deal for black friday
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EHLOVader oh, how did that stub get create?
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tantek e.g. link to torguard, approximate cost, brief list of features (what you just said in IRC)
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EHLOVader created?
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EHLOVader yeah
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tantek thank you!
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EHLOVader it may be a day or two
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tantek am creating the stub
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EHLOVader but I will folow through with that
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EHLOVader and add myself to IRC lurkers
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EHLOVader afaik torguard is a reputable mail host, their proxy has been splendid and the vpn I haven't used yet, but I am sure it is good
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EHLOVader bought it with bitcoins
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EHLOVader probably didn't "wash" them enough to be anonymous anonymous, but you really only need to worry that much if you plan on committing crimes
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EHLOVader so what is the bare minimum required to indieauth
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tantek.com created /email-hosting (+318) "stub" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: the problem exists with any domain that you have registered on your own
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tantek aaronpk - not if they can't figure out the domain
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EHLOVader single html webpage with rel=me to a few authenticated sites and links back
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aaronpk security by obscurity? yeah
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EHLOVader lol
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EHLOVader recently short designer domains in countries with repressive laws has been an issue
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EHLOVader the ability to create SSL certificates through the email verification is a posible attack vector too
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tantek EHLOVader - indeed, hence we keep track of those here: http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains
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EHLOVader allowing for man in the middle
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EHLOVader nice
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EHLOVader domai.nr
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EHLOVader I will be on the wiki all weekend it seems
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tantek EHLOVader - if you know of a specific short designer domains in countries with repressive laws that have been an issue, please note specific examples!
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EHLOVader o_0
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tantek :)
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EHLOVader just ly
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EHLOVader vb.ly was a specific instance
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EHLOVader but bit.ly could have been attacked too
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EHLOVader *"attacked"
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snarfed hey aaronpk, re administrative stuff for hwc tonight…
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snarfed i assume let's meet 15-30m early to set up the video link
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EHLOVader so actually aaronpk I hae looked into lots of email hosting
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EHLOVader recently/
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aaronpk sure! I'll have a laptop with a separate camera and mic this time
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tantek.com edited /email-hosting (+94) "incorporate providers from [[email#Email_Services_by_Type]]" (view diff)
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snarfed also, SF has driven for a while now, but this might be a good opportunity for pdx to take the lead for a mtg, if you want
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snarfed (otherwise i'm happy to lead)
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EHLOVader trying to get a quick anything setup for my domain instead of dealing with posfix to get ssl
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EHLOVader my ssl was borked
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tantek re: earlier discussion about Twitter autolinking standalone ccTLDs like ttk.me - they never will.
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tantek too many false positives
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EHLOVader so I know a few, and can hunt down a few other resources.. for paid and free
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EHLOVader interesting
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tantek people type things that look like standalone ccTLDs in normal Twitter text
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tantek ALL THE TIME
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tantek that's why they chose not to link them
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tantek and only link them if they had a path
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tantek.com edited /email-hosting (+12) "see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk snarfed: happy to have you lead, I assume there will be more people in SF than pdx
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ re: ttk.me
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aaronpk snarfed: what video client should we use?
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aaronpk tantek: yeah that makes sense
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tantek aaronpk - get dietrich to setup a Vidyo room and URL
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snarfed aaronpk: if you want, sure! i like the idea of pdx leading occasionally to emphasize that it's a first class citizen, but your call
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tantek and then share that URL with snarfed
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aaronpk ah right! we can host it that way!
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tantek then he can set it up in SF the same way that you did last week in PDX
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snarfed 'works for me
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KartikPrabhu another about email security: gmail basically forgets the dots in the email address except for log in. So I use a different combination of dots to register on external sites than the actual email address
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tantek KartikPrabhu - how does that help with the password reset scenario?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: yup. also +… suffixes. neither defeats an APT like the one in the article, but they help with broader attacks like stolen password dumps
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KartikPrabhu maybe not. but if for example if my facebook is compromised somehow, it does not directly lead to my gmail
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snarfed true, at least for the common threat model: broad, indiscriminate, simple attacks using big dumps of email addresses (and maybe passwords, etc)
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snarfed it won't stop an individual spear phisher against an individual victim, like the one in the article, but fortunately that threat is rare
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dietrich tantek: aaronpk
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dietrich yo
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aaronpk hey
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dietrich tonight tonight tonight
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EHLOVader was this talk from 28c3 mentioned here? http://youtu.be/18pFTo3zVxk
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dietrich whooooaaaaoooo
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EHLOVader or was it somewhere else
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EHLOVader it was a security talk which iirc was where I heard about countries using their domain control or just attacking email to create ssl certs for domains
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EHLOVader valid ones
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tantek.com created /Twitter_Cards (+688) "stub" (view diff)
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EHLOVader I thought it was in here
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dietrich aaronpk: tantek: yeah i'll get a vidyo URL
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tantek.com edited /cards (+84) "l twitter cards" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /cards (+0) "fix main" (view diff)
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aaronpk great
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tantek.com edited /cards (+33) "/* Facebook OGP */ main" (view diff)
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aaronpk I havent had much time for indieweb stuff the last 2 weeks, I don't have much of an update for tonight unfortunately
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tantek.com edited /The_Open_Graph_Protocol (+0) "fix r" (view diff)
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snarfed np! hwc doesn't have to always be show and tell. just talking is useful too
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tantek aaronpk - um - you got Bridgy RSVPs from FB to your HWC event!
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tantek that's DEFINITELY worth talking about and showing!!
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tantek "havent had much time for indieweb stuff the last 2 weeks" - sheesh - so modest.
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aaronpk oh right haha! except I didn't have to do anything to make that work :)
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aaronpk that was all snarfed!
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tantek aaronpk - it's not the effort, it's the end user utility!
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tantek well then snarfed can talk about it in SF :)
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tantek you guys have plenty of awesomeness to talk about ;)
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aaronpk literally all I did was create the facebook syndicated copy of the event from my site, and everything worked magically :)
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tantek aaronpk - simplicity is a feature
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tantek let's not forget how hard we work to make that so
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tantek as opposed to ahem, OTHER efforts ;)
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aaronpk oh and I did walk barnaby through indieauth, and posted a note from his interface to my site!
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tantek no one ever received a Salmon slap for an RSVP ever right?
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tantek aaronpk yes!
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snarfed will do
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snarfed lol, fair enough
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tantek see, you've been busy
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aaronpk again, that was all barnaby :) I just walked him through it!
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tantek aaronpk - again, so humble.
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tantek welcome chloeweil!
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dietrich aaronpk: https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=4XVEWYmdRUqB
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dietrich public video conferencing URL. requires installation of proprietary technology plugin
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aaronpk dietrich: cool thanks. we'll be able to join that URL from a meeting room?
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snarfed thanks dietrich!
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snarfed dietrich: looking at http://www.vidyo.com/products/use/#tab=Desktop … it says there's a browser version, but that link says to d/l the desktop app. do you know which is right?
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aaronpk snarfed: I downloaded the app last time
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dietrich snarfed: huh i don't think there's a browser *only* version
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EHLOVader so did I not pop in here around black friday time to tell about the torguard deal?
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snarfed oh, yeah, browser extension.
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dietrich i think you have to install the app (which maybe installs a plug-in or something?)
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snarfed meh i'll download the app
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aaronpk i think it's just an app that gets launched via the URL
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aaronpk it's not the worst system i've used :)
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tantek haha
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EHLOVader they ran an amazing deal, and apparently always do, it was 75% off for VPN, Proxy and the encrypted email bundled.
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tantek I want my WebRTCTV!
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tantek EHLOVader - good to note on the email services page!
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EHLOVader yup
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tantek And perhaps even have a reminder this year :)
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EHLOVader I will point that out
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tantek can we tell Loqi to remind us on that date?
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Loqi woot!
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EHLOVader they may not do it every year, but they seem to have
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EHLOVader so yeah, for 1 year of VPN, unlimited bittorrent proxy, and pgp encrypted webmail it was only $40USD
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tantek.com created /2014-01-28-nixon-photo-on-sotu-result (+1210) "draft a page about the prominent invisible metadata problem that happened last night on Google News" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /antipatterns (+922) "invisible metadata" (view diff)
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sparverius indieweb at mozilla tonight right?
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aaronpk homebrew computer club yes :)
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aaronpk you in pdx? you should rsvp on the wiki!
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aaronpk homebrew *website club
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tantek sparverius at mozpdx
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tantek and at Quip in SF
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sparverius homebrew website club
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tantek yes
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4c4d.com edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (+84) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /link-preview (-40) "linky linky" (view diff)
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4c4d.com created /User:4c4d.com (+44) "Created page with "Hi, I'm Laurence! [http://4c4d.com 4c4d.com]"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014-01-28-nixon-photo-on-sotu-result (+104) "/* Posts */ add Erin O'Connor's screenshot also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (-33) "link to local invisible metadata reference" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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benwerd I added an event for the SF version, and copied aaronpk's manual POSSE to Facebook for it.
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snarfed thanks benwerd!
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snarfed mmm de-duping events… :P
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benwerd snarfed: we're not Facebook friends so I couldn't add you as the host
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snarfed YEAH I'M NOT YOUR FACEBOOK FRIEND EITHER SO THERE
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snarfed …sorry, don't know what came over me :P
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snarfed off to friend you
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tantek sparverius - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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benwerd gently takes a step back, sipping tentatively at his coffee
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tantek benwerd did you POSSE an SF HWC event to FB?
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benwerd tantek: by hand. Was going to add auto-POSSE but I ran out of time fixing other stuff last night.
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tantek manually is totally ok
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benwerd (grumps at the Foursquare API for changing.)
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snarfed oh, i see. i hadn't realized aaron's fb event was sf-specific
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aaronpk mine is pdx specific
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benwerd pdx-specific
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snarfed er, pdx. right
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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snarfed anxiously refreshes https://www.brid.gy/#facebook-36802236
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tantek refreshes werd.io
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sparverius refreshes with the cool, crisp taste of 7-Up
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snarfed heh
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/214611 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/212038 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/36802236 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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snarfed woot!
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Loqi woot
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snarfed interop is such a pain, it always amazes me when anything works
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peat hah
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kevinmarks.com edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (+86) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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benwerd snarfed, I just want to say again, bridgy is incredible
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snarfed thanks benwerd!
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snarfed idno too, you've done a great job with it. hugs all around
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aaronpk benwerd: what'd you do that makes your facebook RSVPs show up so much nicer than mine?
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benwerd I .. have no idea?
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benwerd goes to look at your rsvps
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snarfed aaronpk, i suspect you're using the whole h-entry as the text, while benwerd is only using the e-content
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snarfed bridgy optimizes UX for the latter
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aaronpk ah hm
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snarfed on a related note…just fyi benwerd, looks like your recent u-url fix didn't apply to rsvps
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benwerd oh, you're right
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benwerd that's a little funky
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snarfed oh wait no. i think bridgy rsvps don't have u-url?
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benwerd wait - it looks like there isn't a u-url to the rsvp
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benwerd indeed
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tantek so just for lols I said maybe then no
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snarfed right
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tantek to see what would happen
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snarfed heh
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benwerd I'm falling back to the source URL where u-url doesn't exist
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tantek hmm - and looks like that update didn't go through
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snarfed yeah, bridgy doesn't handle response updates or deletes yet
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tantek http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club#comments
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snarfed tantek: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/9
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tantek snarfed commented :)
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benwerd This will be the first HWC for a while where I won't have to rush off. Hoping some SF folks will be up for food / drinks afterwards. If not, I think I'll still hang somewhere nearby and hack.
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snarfed sure! i may be around for a bit
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benjaminchait aaronpk tantek - I’m not sure your wiki backend, but the FB and Calagator URLs for tonight’s HWC are not clickable. Intended?
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jonnybarnes anyone here use git? if I have branches master, feature1, ..., featureN for example, is there an easy way to see if any of those feature branches haven't been merged into master yet?
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snarfed git branch —merged/—no-merged ?
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KevinMarks benwerd: sounds good to me - also dorkbot is on tonight
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snarfed jonnybarnes: i also use git log --branches --not --remotes=origin --stat to show commits in any local branch that haven't been pushed to the remote
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benwerd excellent!
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jonnybarnes snarfed, thanks, that works
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KevinMarks tho' it's a bit of a trek from Quip
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tantek dorkbot is one of those passive events right, where you listen/watch a presentation?
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KevinMarks and sit around on sofas and chat to people, drink eat etc
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tantek KevinMarks - sounds like our after-meetings
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tantek benwerd - I for one am up for food / drinks afterwards, since I won't be back to SF in time for the HWC meetup itself
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tantek benjaminchait, aaronpk - I'm seeing the same problem with attempting to click on https links in the wiki - did something change / break recently?
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tantek benjaminchait - it's mediawiki
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aaronpk not that I know of
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tantek.com edited /event (+844) "/* POSSE */ note actual FB POSSE usage examples, problems with G+ (lack of event API)" (view diff)
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tantek ok that's odd - the https clickability problem is inconsistent for me
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aaronpk probably some weird <span> markup clobbering it or something
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tantek aaronpk - aha the https facebook URL on this page is not clickable for me: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club
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tantek because you added this around the link! <a class="u-syndication" rel="syndication">
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aaronpk it's an <a> tag around the link, but mediawiki auto-links URLs
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tantek (note the lack of href)
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tantek which then masks the clickability of the <a href> inside it!
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aaronpk HTML... HOW DOES IT WORK
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tantek hahaaha
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tantek I'd fix it, however I don't think the FB event is a syndication of the wiki page
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KevinMarks gah. Go to site, can't remember password. I do the password reset dance, and it asks me for a new password
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KevinMarks I give it one I use for such sites and it tells me I can't reuse a previous password
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tantek aaronpk, your FB event is a syndication of the event post on your site, not the wiki
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aaronpk wasn't me! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=events%2F2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club&action=historysubmit&diff=6696&oldid=6671
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KevinMarks Is there a term of art for sites you use infrequently enough that every time you go there you reset your password?
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@cdevroe .@flyosity @jaredsinclair RSS is going to come back but not as a spec. It’ll be the open web’s version of “following” http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/428617925608869888)
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tantek oh that's an interesting (re)framing
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KevinMarks nice
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (+85) "split up city specific URLs" (view diff)
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KevinMarks it also fist your original IE3 Mac feature of notifying when a site changed
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KevinMarks s/fist/fits/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: it also fits your original IE3 Mac feature of notifying when a site changed
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tantek Kevinmarks, which worked via the HTML of the page, not any sidefile
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KevinMarks which I've noticed Google Now does - it's started to give me notifications for the carton sites I read
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KevinMarks yep, requires some kind of crawl
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snarfed nicely parallels a topic i planned to propose tonight: would an indieweb reader be different (in functionality/UX, not technically) from just a feed reader with people's sites you want to follow
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snarfed (i don't care if it's rss or atom or mf2 under the covers)
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tantek snarfed - very much so. reader UI has greatly evolved beyond integration
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snarfed don't answer now! save it for tonight!
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tantek of course, the plumbing is not the opint
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tantek s/opint/point
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Loqi tantek meant to say: of course, the plumbing is not the point
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tantek snarfed, I won't be there tonight!
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tantek :(
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snarfed true! you might be there after though?
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snarfed in any case, we'll try to capture any discussion, and you can add to it on the wiki or wherever
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tantek ~20:30 with any luck
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tantek great! yes please capture stuff in IRC
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tantek is so far from coding "reader" functionality into his own website
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tantek so many other awesome things to get working first
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snarfed heh, true, but benwerd at least has made noises about working on it soon
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snarfed maybe others
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benwerd nods. got a few things to do first too. I'd love to demo it in PDX though.
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tantek oh darn, looks more like 21:30 til I'm in SF proper :/
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KevinMarks where are you, tantek?
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tantek SEA
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KevinMarks aha
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aaronpk heh you're going to be right over PDX during the meetup
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snarfed yell really loud!
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@ehafen Congrats @fhjenny and ZH PhD students of the winter school on pers med for creative business planning! Great fun! #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/428622323647008768)
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benwerd [some kind of joke about tantek being in the cloud]
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benwerd if you'll have wifi you can always join via IRC.
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aaronpk [mild laughter]
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benwerd [metadiscussion]
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tantek that might be worth paying for
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KevinMarks http://www.theguardian.com/technology/interactive/2014/jan/29/blog-turns-20-look-back-readers-response
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benwerd heh. A bunch of my friends were in the Guardian's 50 British bloggers round-up in .. I want to say the late nineties? Maybe 2000-2001? Seems so long ago.
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KartikPrabhu wait I thought Blogging died already! Come on Blogging make up your mind.
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snarfed lol
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benwerd "Posting on Facebook turns 20" doesn't sound like it'll quite have the same ring to it in 2024.
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tantek will Facebook even make it to 20?
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benwerd I bet it will, in a Yahoo kind of way
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aaronpk LOL
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benwerd checks himself, dials down the snark
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tantek heard a recent anecdote that the average age of a FB user has been rising and is up to 40
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benwerd That can't all be Snapchat
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KartikPrabhu it will be interesting to compare the flow of age groups between social networks
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snarfed i expect it's mostly due to growth, not churn
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snarfed lots of young users may be using instagram, snapchat, etc more, but i doubt a lot of them have actually deleted their fb accounts
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tantek benwerd, funny you should mention snapchat - also heard anecdote that "all the kids" are fleeing Facebook and using Snapchat instead. In France.
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benwerd (and does instagram count as facebook now?)
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jonnybarnes micropub authentication? so my app now has a token from you, probably some random encrypted string (JWT for example). How do I send that with a new note POSTing to your site? if that question makes sense
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php#making-api-requests
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jonnybarnes thanks, must have missed that
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aaronpk np. it's a long doc.
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jonnybarnes should the string 'Bearer' be there all the time?
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aaronpk yea, that's an oauth thing
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jonnybarnes cool
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KevinMarks my sons use facebook to communicate with me...
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tantek KevinMarks - I use FB Messenger for txting
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KevinMarks and vice versa, as i mainly use twitter
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KevinMarks yes FB messenger is good at texting. I used to use twitter until they banned URLs from dm's
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tantek "Blogging turns 20"[citation needed]
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KevinMarks you'll love the citation: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/11/guardian-10-year-blog-project
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tantek KevinMarks, a home page is not a historical citation (unless it's a 20 year old home page :P )
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KevinMarks looks like http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jan/29/blog-turns-twenty-conversation-internet-pioneers?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 justin hall is the cite
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KevinMarks and DW apparently
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KevinMarks looks a bit like retconning to me, given the last line in this post: http://scripting.com/davenet/1994/10/07/marccantersingsagain.html
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tommorris tantek, KevinMarks: am in the US at the moment. My UK network gives me unlimited 3G roaming but charges me through the nose to send an SMS or make a call. FB messenger and IRC are an excellent replacement
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KevinMarks Dave's 1994 'blog posts' are in fact emails on AppleLink
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KevinMarks same for me in reverse in the UK with t-mobile
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tantek KevinMarks - so, what you're saying is, they don't have permalinks.
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tommorris SMS and voice are now legacy protocols
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tommorris Just over one week and I have used 1.2Gb roaming
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tantek unlimited 3G roaming sounds pretty amazing
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benwerd tommorris: which network, and how much does unlimited 3G roaming cost, out of interest? That's an awesome deal
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benwerd T-Mobile US gives you unlimited roaming, but it's not 3G iirc
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tommorris Three UK have a £18 a month contract. Unlimited 4G data at home and in a small number of countries they have unlimited 3G but no tethering
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tommorris And calls and SMS home are included but calls/SMS locally costs loads
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benwerd That's pretty nice.
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benwerd And dramatically inexpensive compared to US contracts.
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tommorris When I last changes my phone I bought a SIM unlocked iPhone to avoid long term contract lock in and operators reneging on contract prices
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benwerd That's what appealed to me about the Nexus 5, too.
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tantek benwerd - just invited a bunch of people to your POSSE copy of the SF HWC event
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benwerd nice
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tantek let's see how that works as people RSVP
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/100003502653187 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/1586010067 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek will hopefully make for some good test data for doing event UI
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/1417740614 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek hehe
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KevinMarks t-mobile in france/uk is unlimited, but throttled at 128kbit/sec
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KevinMarks which is reasonable
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aaronpk jeez
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tantek odd - I'm not seeing updates here: http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/694491694 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/749125791 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk what the heck that's a ton of people
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aaronpk at ~150 lbs/person that is actually almost literally a ton of people
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tantek aaronpk - I'm not sure everyone in that list would like to be thought of as ~150lb. Just sayin.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/589433610 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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KevinMarks I have a spare 60lb over that to even up the average
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aaronpk s/at /at an average of /
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: at an average of ~150 lbs/person that an average of is actually almost literally a ton of people
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aaronpk something like that
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benwerd is, at least in this respect, significantly above-average
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snarfed ah, it's the invitations
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tantek is ~20lb over average
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snarfed bridgy sends webmentions for invitees
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tantek over that average anyway
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tantek snarfed - for RSVPs!
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tantek was wondering how noisy this might get
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snarfed i think i got the mf2 right for invited but not rsvped people
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tantek here we go - testing all that spam handling :)
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snarfed but yeah we can turn it off if we want
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snarfed let me check
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aaronpk oh my god
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aaronpk how many people
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tantek lulz
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benwerd tantek invited 81 people, I think.
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aaronpk it might be time to add batching and better parsing to webmention.io IRC notifications
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snarfed aaronpk: and u-url!!! :P
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snarfed yeah, click on any of them and you can see the mf2. no p-rsvp, just a mention and in-reply-to
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tantek bbiab
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tantek ;)
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benwerd :D
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benwerd goes to eat lunch
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snarfed load test!
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benwerd tantek, brianloveswords - we need to talk tasks, but let's wait til the noise dies down
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/23324623 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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snarfed sorry all
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EHLOVader do you all code too? a lot
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snarfed on the plus side, it looks like werd.io only renders actual rsvps, not invites. http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club
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EHLOVader or just a strong web presence? and maybe markup the other stuff involved with web development
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EHLOVader I understand that might be a silly question.... hm
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EHLOVader can loqi do digests? if there is a huge queue?
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Loqi who, me?
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EHLOVader that seems like it should be a thing...
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aaronpk it's part of webmention.io, not loqi
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KevinMarks loqi is going to get kickbanned soon
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benwerd loqi, shut up for a second
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EHLOVader but then it would require loqi to have a webpage itself to list these
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EHLOVader lol
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EHLOVader how is it part of the webmention.io?
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aaronpk webmention.io is receiving webmentions for indiewebcamp.com
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EHLOVader if I remember right loqi is both bot and human, not quite a remake of robocop but similar
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EHLOVader eyah
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EHLOVader but how is it piped through loqi
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aaronpk unicorns and rainbows
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EHLOVader I guess that is what I didn't remember
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snarfed we're at 70 out of 81, so it should be over soon
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/625270089 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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EHLOVader I ask about the code because I didn't know if anyone here used sublimetext, vim or emacs and has heard of floobits
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EHLOVader https://floobits.com
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benwerd I think we found the use case where email lists are better
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EHLOVader it is collaborative coding, or for the coding exhibitionists
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EHLOVader like a programming peepshow
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EHLOVader lol
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benwerd EHLOVader: I am an introverted coder who makes lots of typos and that scares me a lot. Also, "programming peepshow" sounds very unappealing.
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EHLOVader lol
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brianloveswords Loqi is filibustering
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benwerd But I can see the use in a business / startup environment!
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EHLOVader benwerd, it is nice to just watch too
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EHLOVader had someone catch issues or typos quicker because he had an audience
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EHLOVader kind of enjoyed it
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EHLOVader you can also do pair programming easier, it integrates with google hangouts
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EHLOVader would be great for a remote mentor mentee situation
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/28001615 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
benprew joined the channel
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/651196926 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/723345712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/614995769 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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sparverius wonke
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KevinMarks interesting that one of the things the Quip people said was that character level live editing makes people nervous
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KevinMarks see, this wouldn't happen with Salmon
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KevinMarks it solves the thundering herd problem by being too hard to implement
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brianloveswords haha KevinMarks
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aaronpk KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 6 karma
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sparverius brid-gy go home you're drunk
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_6a68 wat
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snarfed ok, time to stop this. brb
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aaronpk why wont it stop
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aaronpk i can restart loqi and he'll dump the buffer if there is one
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aaronpk done
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aaronpk crap! ok bridgy is still sending them then
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/507572896 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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snarfed k, i'll stop bridgy for now
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/758284313 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/2902027 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/732290136 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/694897048 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk wait i can just turn off irc notifications
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/723345712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/532577396 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk that doesn't involve code changes
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/693457120 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/693281299 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/7722201 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/667959782 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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jonnybarnes why are there so many mentions?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/666590500 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/688226679 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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benwerd jonnybarnes: tantek woz 'ere
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/660345591 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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jonnybarnes benwerd huh?
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benwerd he invited 80+ people to an event that was POSSEd to Facebook
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benwerd bridgy is doing its best to syndicate
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aaronpk ok i think it's stopped
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jonnybarnes yeah
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snarfed i stopped bridgy sending rsvp webmentions
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aaronpk mentions are still pouring in
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snarfed true, s/stopped/am stopping/
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snarfed deploy is deploying
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snarfed thanks aaronpk. defense in layers
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jonnybarnes it was like a Loqi DDOS
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Loqi who, me?
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snarfed he survived it!
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aaronpk LDOS?
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snarfed discussion on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/47
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snarfed apologies, all!
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tantek >:)
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tantek snarfed, I think it's Loqi that needs batch mention handling support since mentions could come from anywhere
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snarfed yeah, i tentatively agreed in that issue. if anyone else weighs in there, we can move conclusions to the wiki
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tantek and I didn't realize Bridgy was backfeeding invitations! How are you even conveying that in the markup?
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tantek I assumed we'd only see Bridgy mentions/backfeed when people actually RSVPs
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tantek s/RSVPs/sent RSVPs
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I assumed we'd only see Bridgy mentions/backfeed when people actually sent RSVPs
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snarfed yeah, they're webmentions with in-reply-to but no p-rsvp. discussion in that issue
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tantek well they're not RSVPs, so that's what's odd
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tantek also I noticed only a subset of the RSVPs are making it from the POSSE copy to the original
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snarfed i temporarily turned off rsvp backfeed maybe 10m ago
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snarfed loqi's notifs are also turned off right now, so i could turn them back on
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tantek definitely
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tantek e.g. 4 maybes here: https://www.facebook.com/events/200590280142030/ but only 1 (out of date) maybe here: http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club
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snarfed true, invitations aren't RSVPs. are they webmention worthy though? how should they be represented? i don't know :P
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tantek well, technically any "activity" on the POSSE copy is backfeed worthy to the original
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snarfed right
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tantek and we have comments and RSVPs figured out already for that
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snarfed k, turning back on. some rsvps may end up lost. i can try to backfill, but i may not prioritize it
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tantek but I totally forgot about 3rd party invitations
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tantek so… was that just a volume test failure then?
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snarfed got it. we'll discuss and try to capture tonight!
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snarfed volume test?
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tantek scaling test
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snarfed oh. load test?
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tantek yeah
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snarfed eh. a small unintentional load test maybe. everything passed it though. only loqi's UX arguably failed.
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tantek so it was a systems level load test then
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tantek yes, unintentional
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tantek I didn't expect the invitations to get backfed, my error
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snarfed no error!
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tantek but of course that makes sense that they would be, so the original could keep track of who has been invited (by any means)
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snarfed at least not from my perspective
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snarfed right
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snarfed we'll think about it more
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tantek now that's going to bug me - figuring out the markup of what an "invitation post" looks like
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snarfed :P
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snarfed good!
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tantek nevermind how an implementation should handle it! (e.g. when idno receives such mentions)
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tantek brain hurts.
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snarfed eh. separate concerns. one part at a time.
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tantek oh dear invitations have many moving parts
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tantek even in the minimal case
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snarfed yup
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tantek 1. Aaron posts an event
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tantek 2. Ben posts an invitation to the event, inviting Caseorganic
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tantek 3. Ben's site sends webmentions from that invitation post *both* to the event (on Aaron's site), and to Caseorganic (presumably a homepage webmention)
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snarfed yeah, nontrivial
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tantek 4. Aaron's event post handles receiving that invitation webmention, using some heuristic as to whether to allow it or not (e.g. it could check if Ben is already invited, and the event allows attendees to invite others
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tantek or it could check if Ben is a friend, and the event is open to friends and friends of friends
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tantek or some other option - e.g. just allow all invitations for now)
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snarfed we need an event/rsvp/invite variant of SWAT0
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snarfed honestly, i might encourage you/us to capture really quick initial thoughts on the wiki, but not necessarily prioritize fully solving this right now
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snarfed unless someone honestly has enough time and interest
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tantek 5. Caseorganic's site receives the webmention and adds it to the queue of site-level mentions. Upon retrieving the "source" of the webmention, it (somehow) recognizes it as invitation notification and provides Caseorganic the option to create an RSVP post in reply to the event post (and in reply to the invitation post!).
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tantek 6. Caseorganic posts an RSVP, which replies to (hyperlinks with in-reply-to) Aaron's event post, and to Ben's invitation post.
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snarfed yup, this is totally event SWAT0
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snarfed SWAT-E, if you will
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tantek 7. Aaron's event post handles the RSVP mention as per already figured out on indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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tantek 8. Ben's invitation post is updated to note that the invitation was replied to and accepted/tentative/declined (according to the p-rsvp of the RSVP post of yes/maybe/no).
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tantek and that's the *minimal* case of an invitation post AFAIK
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tantek simplification encouraged!
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snarfed wikify it!
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snarfed i'll think it over
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tantek So I think we have all this figured out already (in terms of formats and protocols) EXCEPT for the bit in step 4 and 5 where the receiver of a webmention has to figure out that the source is an invitation post. I.e. what makes a post an "invitation"?
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snarfed right. we need a p-invite to parallel p-rsvp ?
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tantek maybe. or maybe a "p-invitee h-card"
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tantek that indicates the person being invited
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tantek and if a post has any of those then it is an invitation?
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tantek snarfed - is it possible that werd.io is only showing RSVPs from people who Ben is already "friends" with on FB?
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benwerd This'd be really handy. I'd like to be able to accept and be notified of invitations pointing at my homepage.
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benwerd tantek: some of the displayed people aren't my friends
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tantek benwerd - so why is it a subset of the respondents on the FB event?
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benwerd no clue
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benwerd it accepted what it was given, from what I can see
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tantek also the comments on the FB event don't seem to be making it back to the werd.io event
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snarfed tantek: the missing rsvps were probably dropped when i temporarily disabled webmentions to stop the flooding
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snarfed i can try to backfill them eventually
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tantek snarfed - no it was a subset even before you disabled it
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snarfed ah ok then
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snarfed re comments, yeah, bridgy doesn't backfeed event comments yet
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tantek so they're getting lost somewhere else along the bridgy / webmention / idno way
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snarfed feel free to file an FR!
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benwerd tantek's right, there were always some missing. I'm not sure why. Maybe those peoples' own Facebook settings?
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tantek snarfed - odd I guess I assumed that events would be treated by bridgy as a superset of "normal" posts!
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snarfed benwerd: possible. bridgy only send webmentions when it thinks something is fully public. that's not foolproof, but it tries hard
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snarfed tantek: yeah, sadly, they're different kinds of objects, at least in FB and G+
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snarfed comments are doable, i just have to fetch them separately, explicitly
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tantek snarfed, hopefully https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/48 is an easy fix
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tantek that's what's causing the strange looking commentary on aaronpk's event
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snarfed sure, should be easy
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tantek.com edited /event (+214) "start writing about invitations as if they're something that exists and we fully understand" (view diff)
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tantek so quick sniff test - does this make sense to folks as invitee markup inside an invitation post? <a class="p-invitee h-card" href="http://caseorganic.com/">Amber Case</a>
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snarfed inside an h-event?
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aaronpk don't see why not
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tantek ok so that was the PREVIOUS (last year's) invitee markup proposal ;)
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tantek this is specifically inside a 3rd party post which itself is a reply to an event post
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tantek I think benwerd implemented (maybe by hand?) invitations on one of his events
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tantek difference: 1. invitations from the event (and thus organizer) vs.
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tantek 2. invitations from someone else (attendee of the event, friend of the event organizer, etc.)
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tantek like how you can invite other people to events you're going to (or not) on FB
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tantek even if you're not the organizer of said event
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tantek (what I just did to benwerd's event that caused all the Bridgy/Loqi chatter)
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snarfed on an unrelated note, this was bridgy's view of the webmention invite flood: http://goo.gl/JQ6CvB . entertaining
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tantek um, is that server CPU load?
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tantek (Y axis)
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snarfed heh, no, qps
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snarfed bridgy's
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tantek phew
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KevinMarks hm talking of following people, if I search for me or tantek on google I get a sidebar card that has a 'get updates about' link
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tantek KevinMarks - does Google still think I was born in 1997?
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KevinMarks where did it say that?
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tantek in their sidebar card when I searched on my given name
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tantek because there was some reference to 1997 early on in the wikipedia article that they scraped
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tantek but the Nixon thing last night took the cake
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tantek unbelievable
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KevinMarks I get different info cards for my different sites now
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tantek KevinMarks, any theories on the Nixon error?
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KevinMarks no, I can only think it was some knowledge graph cockup
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tantek big data = big cockup?
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+2) "typo" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /invitation (+3524) "stub by copying from RSVP and with brainstorm of p-invitee h-card proposal, and minimal invitation post user flow" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /responses (+97) "add invitation, link up reply types at top, add more, clarify example and origins" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /event (+98) "/* Invitations */ link to new main article" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, aaronpk, looks like last time we discussed invitations, i.e. directly from event posts, we came up with u-invitee (as evidence by benwerd's event post: http://werd.io/2013/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink )
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tantek and http://indiewebcamp.com/event#Invitations (to which I just added the class variants in addition to rel=invitee)
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tantek.com created /invitations (+24) "r" (view diff)
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KevinMarks what should I mention as thing of the week on TWiT?
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KevinMarks homebrew website club?
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snarfed computers?
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snarfed they're great. except when they're not.
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snarfed sorry, couldn't resist
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snarfed sure! see if we can overflow the office tonight :P
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pdurbin KevinMarks: you could mention http://dhtmlconf.com ;)
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tantek KevinMarks - definitely HWC
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KevinMarks also Model View Culture
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Alkhemist Indieweb on TwiG... nice job
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tantek.com edited /event (+9) "comment out link to nonexistent uf invitation page for now" (view diff)
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tantek Alkhemist really? When did TwiG happen? URL?
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Alkhemist KevinMarks is on there now. http://live.twit.tv but he's done now. Should be available for download soon
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KevinMarks just mentioned homebrew website club
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KevinMarks you can rewind the live broadcast on one of the sites
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tantek oh nice!
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KevinMarks I also mentioned your Nixon glitch
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benwerd KevinMarks: Model View Culture should be excellent. Looking forward to the launch tomorrow.
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tantek KevinMarks - thanks - what was the response like? I guess that definitely counts as This Week in *Google*