#indieweb 2024-03-19

2024-03-19 UTC
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gRegor
I read it as a temporary demotivating factor, that they didn't have a "brand name" they were sure they wouldn't want to change, but they did find one eventually
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gRegor
Under "3. Uncertain identity"
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jacky
^ yeah
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[tantek]
I mean we openly acknowledge that with the challenges of picking a domain name right?
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[tantek]
that feels like more of a challenge to being on the indieweb than against a more general "cool URLs don't change"
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jacky
ah fair yeah
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Displaying Webmentions Extension for Datenstrom Yellow" https://lifeofpablo.com/blog/displaying-webmentions-extension-for-datenstrom-yellow
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[lcs]
I just realised I’ve been using the wrong post format for sharing links. Repost is apparently something entirely different!
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[lcs]
What would be the correct post format for sharing links with a partial quote + commentary?
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[lcs]
Reply doesn’t feel quite right
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[lcs]
Repost stood out as the correct one to me, because it has echoes of old Twitter “RT: ” before the official retweet function was implemented. Sometimes people would just do “RT: Tweet content” and sometimes prepend a comment like so “Awesome! RT: Tweet content”
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[lcs]
A reply is just a reply a reply. Doesn’t really convey the notion that sharing is the main objective
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[lcs]
But I realise you’ve probably already had all of these discussions, so want to understand what you all decided 😄
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[contact898]
↩️ i use like, but bookmark might be more appropriate
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[qubyte]
↩️ That sounds like a bookmark to me too. I keep both links and bookmarks together in a “links” feed.
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[qubyte]
↩️ Sorry, by link I mean repost, so reposts and bookmarks are together in a feed.
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bacardi55[m]
[lcs]: I asked that myself not long ago because i was a bit confused between likes/reposts/bookmarks.. Ended using bookmarks but not sure if it was the best... But works ^^
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[tantek]
Much of these questions are answered in the /quote page
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[Murray]
what is a quote
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Loqi
“ A quotation is a type of response post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/quote
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[Murray]
Interesting, I've somehow not come across quote posts before. I also use bookmarks, but this makes me think that a quote would likely be the better option. There's no mention of posts that contain multiple quotes (from a single source) though? Are there any examples of that? Happy to go to #indieweb-dev to continue implementation stuff
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[lcs]
Thanks! I ended up looking at quotation. Doesn’t look like it’s supported out of the box with the Indieblocks plugin, which is what I’m using to generate the post types.
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[lcs]
Maybe I’ll just go with the bookmark, since it seems to be what other people are using for this purpose (even though it feels “wrong” because what I’m doing here doesn’t align with my interpretation of a bookmark, at all)
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[lcs]
↩️ Thanks guys!
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[lcs]
↩️ [qubyte] so “bookmark” if you’re partially quoting and/or adding commentary, and “repost” if you’re republishing the full post you’ve linked to?
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[Murray]
Out of interest, what is that definition of a bookmark?
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[lcs]
My personal interpretation of the term is just saving something to be able to reference it later.
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[lcs]
It’s distinctly asocial!
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[lcs]
Which is why I get confused
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[Murray]
Yeah, that's fair, I think I'd agree that it's less _social_ than a "like" or "comment" 😄 I quite like them, though, as it feels like more of an honour (in some ways) that someone not only read something you wrote, but also wanted to record it permanently :blsuh
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[lcs]
I don’t disagree at all. But to me, there’s an inward directionality implied by the term “bookmark” that is at odds with what I want to do when I’m sharing a link. Even if you share the bookmark, you’re just letting someone peer into your bookmarks. What I’m doing with links is the opposite — I’m noting the link and writing a comment to share! It has outward directionality.
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[lcs]
If that makes sense at all.
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[lcs]
But these are just my personal interpretations!
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[Murray]
Absolutely, yes! I would also distinguish a "share" from a "bookmark", hadn't really considered that. I use bookmarks on my site as a long-term information store. There's a feed if anyone was interested in following it, but it's definitely a "by me, for me" section. A "share" would have a completely different structure to it. Interesting!
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[lcs]
Yeah that’s exactly it! A bookmark is stored information. A share is “this is so great you just have to look at it!”
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[Murray]
Agree, was just thinking that the primary focus of a "share" to me is less about information capture, and more about amplifying something that I think more people would enjoy. Effectively boosting the discovery potential of a piece of content.
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[lcs]
💯
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[lcs]
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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[lcs]
I tried, but I couldn’t 😂
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[lcs]
What I’m trying to understand is which indieweb post type is the right for the latter action. “Boosting the discovery potential of a piece of content” (that perfectly encapsulates my intention!)
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[Murray]
There doesn't really seem to be one. I was just reading through the /share page and... that's a _loaded_ page, not touching that 😄
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[Murray]
Given that the action is really boosting *discovery* of content, I wondered if there was a /discover, but that just redirects to /discovery, not quite the same thing. Can't really find anything else
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[lcs]
Alrighty, that’s comforting in a way, because I also couldn’t find anything ideally suited for the purpose.
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[lcs]
And I feel it also vindicates me for thinking that “repost” was the correct option on a cursory glance a good while back
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[Murray]
I can totally see that line of logic, yeah
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[Murray]
I guess another way to think about it is that microformats are inherently outwardly facing. They exist to allow other tools outside of your site to understand the content within it. In that context, any microformat should be considered "social", with the intent that other people see/understand/consume it. So perhaps "bookmark" isn't a particularly clear term, but within that context – that it *is* outwardly facing, simple because it's a
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[Murray]
microformat – it works for what you want? I mean, what else would an outwardly-facing bookmark _be_, if not a pseudonym for a "share"?
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[Murray]
(is that gonna trigger Loqi? 😬)
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[lcs]
Yeah, yeah, I’m not interested in starting a revolution here. Like I mentioned earlier, I’m sure these discussions have already been had, so I just want to understand, given my intent, what the correct action (or post type, in this context) is. It seems the consensus _is_ that bookmark is the way to go, so I’m just gonna go with that!
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[lcs]
Your explanation is fine, and one I can parrot when I tell other people why we’re doing it this way 😉
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[lcs]
And it looks like you avoided the bothammer!
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[Murray]
Or Loqi is sleeping :shushing_face:
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[Murray]
I'd be interested to hear some other takes on it. Could be worth exploring more. Just though it might be a useful framing. Definitely an interesting look at the topic 🙂
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[lcs]
Yup let’s see if anyone else has an opinion on the matter. But for now, thanks for helping me figure it out
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[lcs]
Love the colours on your site btw!
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[Murray]
Thanks, I'm hoping to find some time this year to focus on a redesign in some ways, but the colours will certainly be sticking around!
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[lcs]
Yeah I just read that. I definitely think you should keep them 😄
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[qubyte]
↩️ Yes for the bookmark, no for the repost. A repost is little more than a link. Example: https://qubyte.codes/links/1564517844324
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Loqi
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[qubyte]
↩️ It’s like a boost in mastodon or a retweet.
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[qubyte]
↩️ I rarely use them now though, because I prefer to add the reason _why_ I’m posting the link, so bookmarks are a better fit.
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[qubyte]
↩️ Disclaimer: I could be misusing or misunderstanding the intended use of these microformats.
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[lcs]
↩️ Thanks! I think that’s closer to the “officially recommended” use case for “repost” than my interpretation of it, at least 😂
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[lcs]
↩️ ref recent discussion in the main channel
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[Scout]
[Murray] cools stuff? (un)related content? me likes? recommendations? maybe recroll?
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[lcs]
Recroll! That’s gotta be the one. Comes with an unspoken implication that you may be pranked by clicking any given link in there, too.
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[Murray]
"Me likes" is great too 😄
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[Murray]
I can't help but here Cookie Monster's voice when I read it either 😄
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capjamesg
Cookie!!!