#indiewebcamp 2016-04-23

2016-04-23 UTC
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KevinMarks I worked out how to do it in gmail: http://www.kevinmarks.com/instantbcc.html
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Loqi Instant BCC 2016-04-22
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aaronpk you could also make a filter that deletes/archives messages sent to your +bcc address
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KevinMarks right, that would work too
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KevinMarks heh, also that facebook one does forward to my gmail
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KevinMarks I thought ti was blackholed, but coming from a known address makes it work.
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kylewm KevinMarks: today in Dates are Hard https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/dates-are-hard.png
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KevinMarks it was worse than that, I got the month worng on the HWC notes so they said 'a month ago'
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KevinMarks you could show the summary in woodwind
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kylewm huh, I sure could!
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KevinMarks aaronpk: reply with that suggestion and webmention it
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[kevinmarks] Yay, summarys
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kylewm oh phew, they took a long time to show up, i guess the task queue was backed up
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kylewm KevinMarks++ thanks for pointing out that I could grab the summarys
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Loqi KevinMarks has 210 karma
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tantek kylewm is that worthy of capturing in /reader#Brainstorming as a best practice?
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tantek or was this for a reply-context?
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[kevinmarks] You're using feedparser for atom/rss, right?
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kylewm hmm, well it's really subjective; whether you want title + (summary or content) or title + (content or summary), but I'd be happy to document what woodwind shows
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kylewm [kevinmarks]: yes
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tantek kylewm: exactly! that's what brainstorming is for - to document personal best practices as we find them, for others to try re-using, document, and perhaps see if a pattern emerges
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[kevinmarks] There can be ambiguity with rss, as atom has summary and content, but rss just has description, though some feeds do content too
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kylewm.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:woodwind-presentation-2016-04-22.png]]""
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kylewm.com edited /reader (+758) "/* Post Presentation */" (view diff)
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kylewm ha, I just learned something. if i set the application's OAuth callback URI to https://silo.pub/, then I can pass any path under that domain to it in callback_uri
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kylewm I thought these services were just being jerks not letting me specify more than one endpoint!
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kylewm this simplifies some things :P
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kylewm aaronpk: big refactor of silo.pub, plz tell me if you see any issues
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aaronpk kylewm: cool
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aaronpk also that redirect URI thing you found totallly depends on the specific service
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aaronpk because standards
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emmahodge.org edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+287) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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miklb cool, Aaron Gustafson made some minor updates to his jekyll webmention.io plugin
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rrix heh, bridgy is really neat, find new fun stuff with it all the time.
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rrix Just RSVP'd to the HWC SF indieevent, bridgy found the rel=syndication URL to the facebook event and RSVP'd to it there
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rrix bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 39 karma
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rrix Now that I am done with my travels and no longer drowning in work/anxiety/work-induced-anxiety I am going to get back in to the HWC habit
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@rrrrrrrix I am going to make every effort to go to the next #indieweb HWC 💟 (http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1461395640.0-note.html) (twitter.com/_/status/723777975297044480)
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rrix Hi Loqi
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rrix oh it's my side that is quadruplicating messages... why do I even try to computer
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@dkreuz Meine Hashtags beim #bchn16: #Projektmanagement #didaktik #elixir #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723789730089963521)
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@pmosupportde RT @dkreuz Meine Hashtags beim #bchn16: #Projektmanagement #didaktik #elixir #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723791503361998848)
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@rusEaste Любовь - как ветер в моих руках. Так легко почувствовать, но так сложно поймать. http://webmention.ru/madina-ru-ooo/ (twitter.com/_/status/723907609326137344)
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@neterKesin За углом музыкальной школы всех быстрее докуривает трубач. http://webmention.ru/madina-ru-ooo/ (twitter.com/_/status/723907576195362816)
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@bplacetm Кто #очень сильно любит, тот долго не замечает, что он-то уже нелюбим. Ф. Ларошфуко http://webmention.ru/madina-ru-ooo/ (twitter.com/_/status/723907541768515585)
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@kevinmarks Great article on the bug mistake that is js;dr web design by @fox https://medium.com/@fox/the-web-isn-t-uniform-fd67eb631501#.cmcjmejn8 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723906717256286209)
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kylewm step 7 of authorship implemented, aaronpk's h-card successfully acquired! https://kylewm.com/2016/04/they-call-him-the-juggler
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] They call him the juggler
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aaronpk kylewm++ woo!
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Loqi kylewm has 320 karma
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dym_cx i propose to block webmention.ru from appearing since it looks like a YELP-alike, customer feedback local russian companies
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@fakebaldur RT @kevinmarks Great article on the bug mistake that is js;dr web design by @fox https://medium.com/@fox/the-web-isn-t-uniform-fd67eb631501#.cmcjmejn8 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723913462175424513)
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aaronpk well that's bizarre. i wonder why they called it "webmention"
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dym_cx coz you mention those on the web?
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dym_cx ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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dym_cx xD the "place ADs on our site" sidebar-link (webmention.ru/ads) was not pre-allocated and leads to one of local companies
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dym_cx it was a period there facebook.com/profile.php was just a users custom url
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dym_cx s/it/there/
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Loqi dym_cx meant to say: there was a period there facebook.com/profile.php was just a users custom url
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dym_cx @aaronpk https://indiewebcat.com/images/aaronpk-256.jpg is 404
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aaronpk heh thx
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aaronpk i haven't made a way to upload a profile photo in new p3k yet :P
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jeena.net edited /events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club (-15) "/* Where */ Göteborg" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club (+58) "/* Göteborg */" (view diff)
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kylewm regorLove: your change to the innerText parsing of php-mf2; it didn't collapse whitespace did it?
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kylewm gregorlove^
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Jeena Trying to do what I learned at the IWC in Nuernberg and already released the next HWC event in GOT https://jeena.net/events/17 more than one week before, I also will print a couple of posters to get them to the university
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 4/20 at 12:47pm: when did you post your first indie RSVP? was this your first? https://jeena.net/comments/627 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461181638779
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 day, 18 hours ago: Can you confirm HWC Göteborg 2016-05-04? Update location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-21/line/1461287144076
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Göteborg
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tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm possible overescaping in Bridgy Publish here? see the \. instead of . in https://twitter.com/t/status/723878601829941249 compared to original
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm also in the Bridgy Publish to FB POSSE copy, same \. instead of . https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102251548191173&set=a.10102018644676683.1073741831.214611&type=3&theater
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed tantek: will look, thx for the report
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 14 minutes ago: possible overescaping in Bridgy Publish here? see the \. instead of . in https://twitter.com/t/status/723878601829941249 compared to original http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-23/line/1461439999529
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tantek thanks snarfed! checking Flickr copy now too...
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tantek confirmed, there too https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/26568466916
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed btw you're always welcome to edit and fix bugs like that in your silo posts
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snarfed i definitely appreciate the sentiment of leaving them to help debug, but we always have enough logs and data
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snarfed filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/656
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snarfed wow, so weird. the minimal content that triggers the escaping bug is '<span /> 2016. #'
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snarfed drop either the leading <span> or trailing #, and it doesn't happen
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tantek that's pretty amazing! yay for finding weird edge cases
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Loqi giggles
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snarfed :( evidently it's an html2text bug
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snarfed or feature
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tantek what the what?
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tantek does it convert it JSON and back or something and forget to unescape that \. ?
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snarfed i doubt it
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snarfed my first guess is, it emits markdown, and 1. (or any number) is markdown's ordered list syntax, so it has to escape the period to prevent that
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aaronpk ahh that makes sense
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aaronpk ouch
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tantek markdown--
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Loqi markdown has -2 karma
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tantek so don't end sentences with numbers?
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snarfed but it also needs the <span> and #
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snarfed who knows
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bear well, in markdown's defense, that pattern should only be at the start of a line for it to say "hey! a numbered list"
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kylewm Yeah the span makes it think 2016. is the beginning of a new section, that makes some sense
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: possible overescaping in Bridgy Publish here? see the \. instead of . in https://twitter.com/t/status/723878601829941249 compared to original http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-23/line/1461439999529
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 10 minutes ago: also in the Bridgy Publish to FB POSSE copy, same \. instead of . https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102251548191173&set=a.10102018644676683.1073741831.214611&type=3&theater http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-23/line/1461440840015
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snarfed studies https://github.com/Alir3z4/html2text/blob/master/docs/usage.md#available-options
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snarfed moves on to the source
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snarfed sobs quietly
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tantek really didn't intend to make snarfed cry.
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snarfed heh
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aaronpk is RE_MD_DOT_MATCHER not that thing?
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snarfed ooh maybe
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snarfed nontrivial to actually set though, sigh
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snarfed hrm. i need a regex that never matches anything.
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snarfed (but has two groups)
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bear would a hack of "convert <span> to ' '" work
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snarfed in other news, programming is the best! :P
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snarfed bear: sadly i don't think this is specific to <span>
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bear wait, so they are doing a md regex against the entire line and not anchoring it to the start of line?
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snarfed bear: i haven't bothered to try to understand it that deeply
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snarfed the code is https://github.com/Alir3z4/html2text/blob/master/html2text/utils.py#L233-246
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bear I never used html2text and just depend on bs4 to do it:
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bear for node in bs4.BeautifulSoup(html):
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bear print u''.join(node.findAll(text=True)).encode('utf-8')
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snarfed bear: sadly i actually need to interpret and translate the html, eg whitespace and newlines, not just discard it
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bear sends snarfed hugs and ponies for he soon will be driven over the cliff of despair because regex and html are evil
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snarfed misses block devices and RPCs
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aaronpk oh gosh
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snarfed and i present to you the fix: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/commit/44197be3f72b5852b0493ded296bfce138c64d0f
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bear oh my
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bear snarfed++ for diving into that pile of poo and emerging with a fix
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Loqi snarfed has 214 karma
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snarfed "fix" is generous
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snarfed but thanks
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bear (which I will promptly steal)
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snarfed lol
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kylewm snarfed: do you think the markdown converter has been generally desirable? like do people want blockquotes converted to > blockquotes?
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kylewm i ask bc there's a pretty small function https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/Mf2/Parser.php#L394 that strips whitespace and preserves <br>'s
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kylewm it doesn't look hard to make it preserve <p>'s too
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kylewm sorry, strips tags, not whitespace
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snarfed kylewm: oh no, i don't think people want markdown at all, at least not for bridgy publish
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snarfed preserving is ok, but we actually need them translated, to newlines etc
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kylewm that's what i mean, not preserves, converts them
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kylewm to newlines
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snarfed cool
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snarfed html2text also handles lists and other stuff
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snarfed the markdown part is silly, but otherwise it's pretty comprehensive. not sure it's worth trying to replace
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kylewm gotcha, ok cool
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kylewm markdown++
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Loqi markdown has -1 karma
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kylewm github++ while I'm at it
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Loqi github has 17 karma
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kylewm commandline++
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kylewm hehe, thought those were negative
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[kevinmarks] Does html2text use the old sgml parser?
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snarfed1 got me
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[kevinmarks] Looks like it uses htmlparse
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tantek is refraining from what-ising
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snarfed aka it's saturday!
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tantek Saturday++
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bear commandline++
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