#indiewebcamp 2016-04-22

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aaronpk https://github.com/joshbuchea/HEAD/pull/21
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kylewm I am bookmarking this repository for the next time someone says github stars "roughly equate" to anything
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kylewm to do that avatar with silo-icon-overlay trick, is that css making the overlay? or are the images munged together into a new bitmap?
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aaronpk i did it with css overlay
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aaronpk woohoo! https://github.com/joshbuchea/HEAD/pull/21
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[kevinmarks] Now indieauth and micropub?
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[kevinmarks] You should have linked it to one that works, like webmention.io
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk heh i was thinking about that
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aaronpk not sure i want to collect webmentions from random sites that copypasta it
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aaronpk tho that would have been an interesting stat
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aaronpk I could register a webmention.io "account" called "example"
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aaronpk https://webmention.io/example/webmention
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tantek or even github-head-example
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aaronpk hah
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tantek you might want to use w3c-tr-example for the spec examples ;)
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aaronpk last I checked I'm not allowed to use real URLs in the spec ;)
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tantek still with example.com as the domain
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tantek leave it as an easter egg
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gRegorLove There's issues on that repo for webmention and micropub
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gRegorLove and indieauth. but looks like a PR will get accepted more quickly.
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tantek yep
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aaronpk that is usually true
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aaronpk webmention was already accepted tho :)
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tantek that reminds me I think I have uncommitted improvements in cassis from IWC Nuremberg
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gRegorLove tantek: Speaking of merges, can you merge https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/47 ?
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tantek looks reasonable
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gRegorLove Thanks! I'm eager to get better php-mf2 test coverage
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snarfed gRegorLove: feel free to steal *.mf2.html and *.mf2.json from https://github.com/snarfed/granary/tree/master/granary/test/testdata
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snarfed (and even some of the narrower tests in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/test/test_microformats2.py )
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gRegorLove I'll take a look, but I think the idea is to use microformats/test as the main test repo. I think mf2py uses it as well
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tantek hmm - April has been a busy/productive month for CASSIS compared to previous months
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snarfed gRegorLove: oh sure, i just meant you're welcome to copy any of those that you don't already have
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club (+162) "/* Notes */ add some notes / tweets" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club (+168) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club (+102) "/* Photos */ add Diane's photo she tweeted" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks RT @tbiz Much web was had at last night's #indiewebcamp #indieweb #homebrew @t @kevinmarks https://twitter.com/tbiz/status/723296749910020100/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/723315807078338560)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club (+349) "header image, RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Brighton 2016-05-04? Update location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gRegorLove Much web. Such HTML. Wow.
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tantek !tell Jeena Can you confirm HWC Göteborg 2016-05-04? Update location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk Can you confirm HWC PDX 2016-05-04? Update location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell jgarber Can you confirm HWC DC 2016-05-04? Update location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk heh that's the night before my flight to Düsseldorf
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tantek nice!
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tantek it's also May The Fourth :D
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tantek in case anyone wants to think of Star Wars themed indieweb hacks or site customizations :)
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tantek also: https://twitter.com/gabrielgironda/status/721115498474270721
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@gabrielgironda DEAR #FRONTEND DEVELOPERS: PLEASE STOP MAKING SITES WITH LINKS I CAN'T COMMAND-CLICK TO OPEN IN A NEW TAB. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU (twitter.com/_/status/721115498474270721)
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tantek.com edited /JavaScript (+274) "Breaks Browser User Features" (view diff)
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rrix Should p-name go inside of e-content, generally?
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tantek no argument either way
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@jinankordab RT @tbiz Much web was had at last night's #indiewebcamp #indieweb #homebrew @t @kevinmarks https://twitter.com/tbiz/status/723296749910020100/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/723319346051842048)
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[kevinmarks] Depends. For a note, they're the same. For an article separating them makes more sense.
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[kevinmarks] Ditto for p-summary
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[kevinmarks] Might be a bit of the content, might be separate
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rrix *nod*
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aaronpk for articles i prefer to keep it outside the content because otherwise the content has a duplicate of the name
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tantek oh no - aaronpk did you know about this? when geo-IP mapping goes wrong: http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ - in case any of you were going to do that for your posts
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aaronpk but sometimes that makes sense, like if the name of the post is teaser text of the article
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rrix So, if I publish a note, and syndicate it using brid.gy, the e-content pulls the p-name, but bridgy also sends the page <title> (for example https://www.facebook.com/10153834879468856/posts/10154194384458856 ))
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rrix (at least I *think* line 1 is the <title>?)
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aaronpk tantek: is that the story that was on npr recently? i think i heard about that
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tantek wonders what the address is of the geographical center of SF
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tantek.com edited /location (+428) "Beware of IP Mapping" (view diff)
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rrix Actually, if I move the p-name and dt-published out of e-content that post will probably look just fine, I guess that line one is the value of p-name
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rrix plays with it instead of speculating
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miklb wonders if a mf2 linter would ever be feasible
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KartikPrabhu what is linter?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "linter" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JY
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KartikPrabhu miklb: ^
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rrix Yeah, there we go
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rrix That was the trick
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miklb KartikPrabhu basically a tool that checks for conformance to a standard or method of writing a particular language
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tantek conformance to a standard is more of a validator
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rrix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lint_%28software%29
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rrix basically simple static code analysis for (mostly) interpreted langauages like Python and Javascript
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miklb I was just thinking out loud of having something for an editor to check as you write.
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rrix nods
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tantek what do y'all think of the header image here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-04-homebrew-website-club
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KartikPrabhu that one is missing a participant right?
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tantek well one early vs one later
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tantek compare photos on the 2016-04-20 page if you want to see the diff
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KartikPrabhu aah, it would be best to use one with all if such exists else it is fine
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tantek nope
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tantek so of the two I used the one with more horizontal layout of people
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[kevinmarks] Aaron there was one on reply all about the only house with wifi in a neighbourhood
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[kevinmarks] But this one was even odder.
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rrix That image isn't rendering for me in Firefox, oddly enough
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tantek rrix - that is odd because I'm using FF!
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rrix Yeah
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KartikPrabhu same here
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rrix debugging/investigating
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tantek version?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: same here doesn't help when we're both having diff results :)
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rrix It might be some cross-origin http/https thing since I've got all the paranoia-plugins turned on
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KartikPrabhu as in I am using FF too
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gRegorLove image loads for me in Firefox
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rrix Ok, sounds like one of my paranoia-plugins, I'll figure out which one
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tantek uh oh I'm not finding kylewm's webmention endpoints
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tantek debugs
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rrix Also, https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:kylewm&action=edit links to a 404 image, kylewm
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rrix Ah, weird
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tantek and I'm not handling 301 apparently :(
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rrix The resource at "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgmqjoiU4AAlWdL.jpg" was blocked because tracking protection is enabled.[Learn More]
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rrix Interesting..
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tantek aaronpk: do we have any 301 tests for endpoints?
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rrix I wonder why twimg is flagged as needing tracking protection
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tantek pretty sure Twitter supports tracking protectin
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tantek hmm - going to file this as something to fix later and just use kylewm's latest URLs in my post
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kylewm what's happening?
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tantek my code wasn't following the 301 from the previous indie event link on your post
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kylewm ohh
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tantek to find the webmention endpoint
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tantek probably something I turned off in CURL because PHP was complaining something cryptic
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rrix I wonder if I should disable `privacy.trackingprotection.enabled' ...
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tantek rrix is this native FF behavior or something with an add-on?
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tantek as a user, you shouldn't have to muck with such prefs, usually indicates something FF can do a better job at
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rrix tantek: it's https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Tracking_protection
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rrix there was a big hubbub about turning it on by default late last year, I turned it on and apparently forgot about it (:
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rrix http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/24/firefox-tracking-protection-decreases-page-load-times-by-44/ I guess it was closer to may when this started going around
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Loqi [Martin Brinkmann] Firefox Tracking Protection decreases page load times by 44%
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tantek nice
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rrix annnnyways, the twimg image loads once I disable that, and it appears to come from https://github.com/mozilla-services/shavar-prod-lists/blob/master/disconnect-blacklist.json
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KartikPrabhu rrix: yeah I enabled tracking protection and the image does not load
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rrix I guess twitter could technically track users using pbs.twimg.com ...? *shrug*
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KartikPrabhu all the avatars on comments that come from Twitter are also gone on mysite
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rrix It's interesting that this is the first time I've noticed it fighting me
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rrix Since I've probably had it turned on since May '15
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tantek rrix, it's possible Twitter did a website update where they messed up their tracking protection settings
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rrix Oh hey
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rrix I work with Jesus, I think
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rrix haha
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rrix Now that the image loads...
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tantek if only there were a tracking protection validator
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rrix Okay, that yak is shaved, back to redesigning my sites..
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rrix Such yak.
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KartikPrabhu much hair
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aaronpk tantek: i couldn't figure out how to make a test for that
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aaronpk oh i could use the one-time codes maybe
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tantek yes
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tantek as the redirect destination
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aaronpk it's going to be harder than the rest tho
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aaronpk for the person testing
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tantek agreed, postpone til Update remove link and Delete tests are done
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aaronpk it'll be tricky to explain it
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tantek it'll be like explaining the existing Update test which was non-trivial
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk k, i'll finish update and delete first
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aaronpk pretty sure there's only one delete test
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tantek agreed
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tantek I'll try to stay on top of testing them as you're making them
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tantek would be good to get those wrapped up by Tuesday's telcon for sure
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aaronpk yes good call
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aaronpk interesting follow-up to that IP address story: http://fusion.net/story/290772/ip-mapping-maxmind-new-us-default-location/
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aaronpk "This is the new digital center of the United States" the image is an arrow pointing to the middle of a lake
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tantek nah, they really should just open an FBI office there
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tantek would make for an excellent honeypot
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aaronpk ha
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tantek I mean seriously, why is that not obvious
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aaronpk well it's someone's house, so that isn't quite practical
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tantek imminent domain
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tantek this is more of a lesson of why artificial precision is bad than anything else
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aaronpk :/
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tantek heck FB could probably buy the person's house and then use all the data it gets to make more ad $
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tantek anyway I captured the IP Mapping issue
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rrix Is it bad that I want to put a css "filter: blur(1px);" on my site, like, 1% of page loads?
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rrix There was a rogue wifi at my hackerspace in Arizona that did that to http pages, it was great
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aaronpk that's hilarious
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aaronpk fun++
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Loqi fun has 2 karma
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rrix Bah, I want to use this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/backdrop-filter but it doesn't even work in Chrome yet
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rrix it's just a draft
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aaronpk kylewm: does woodwind send an accept header when querying for syndicate-to?
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aaronpk nvm i'm dropping the other version
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aaronpk i think it worked with the new syndicate-to format!
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tantek is kylewm implementing the full CDURU of Micropub?
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aaronpk we just sorted out syndication this morning
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rrix http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1461286860.0-note.html http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/ I think it needs a better background-image but it's a start...
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Loqi [Ryan Rix] Now that the base of Arcology is working, time to work on design
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[kevinmarks] CTHULU?
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[kevinmarks] Now I need to reverse engineer that acronym.
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[kevinmarks] Create, Tombstone, Hide, Unhide, List, Update
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KevinMarks 'cos delete isn't always enough
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KevinMarks Old data lies dreaming
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GWG I have returned
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[kevinmarks] From R'lyeh?
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GWG From Awayness.
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GWG I have contemplated my journey.
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kylewm aaronpk: yes it does send an accept header
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@rrrrrrrix @BerlinWalrus @Torwegia it's coming from Arcology my #indieweb blog-engine built in ... (http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1461309540.0-note.html) (twitter.com/_/status/723413423959089152)
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[kevinmarks] Anyone awake and good at jekyll?
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@adinda4work Webmention Rocks! $762.HK http://sk-web-staging.devapp.smartkarma.com/insights/webmention-rocks (twitter.com/_/status/723415814301319168)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/723409850714091520
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@SaraSoueidan Oh great. @jekyllrb is randomly refusing to build new posts. How am I supposed to publish then? :/ #lazyweb (twitter.com/_/status/723409850714091520)
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: I'm awake, but at a phone for at least the next 30-40 mins
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: Oh, I'm at the same place at she (RenderConf, Oxford)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/723416256095784961)
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Loqi [indieweb] "How aaronparecki.com looks on nexus 6 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/how-aaronpareckicom-looks-on-nexus-6-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club SF: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-04-20.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-last-nights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-04-20html-indieweb
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[kevinmarks] Voxpelli: Sara is a genius at SVG, if you can help her post, that's a public service
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: she had a great talk yesterday :) seems like she figured it out now
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[kevinmarks] Wow - how stripping html can get you fired: http://nymag.com/following/2016/04/dont-trust-your-cms.html
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KartikPrabhu sounds more like copy-pasta and bad editing
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KartikPrabhu blaming tools for not confirming the final product
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miklb agreed.
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KartikPrabhu as someone who is editing a PhD thesis I do not empathise at all
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[kevinmarks] From our html aware pov this is shocking; for people trusting systems they use, I have empathy
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miklb I just find it difficult neither the editor or the author never looked at the published articles and didn't realize the missing attribution/quote
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[kevinmarks] The author model for traditional media is submit and trust editors
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jgmac1106 I think cutting and pasting an article from an email…well that just strikes me as lazy
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ShaneHudson Hey all :) Been faaarr too long since I've dropped by. Been really busy and had server issues (site was going down hourly for months really) but have finally fixed them heh
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GWG Greetings, ShaneHudson
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Loqi [indieweb] "barryf commented on pull request indieweb/mention-client-ruby#2" by barryf https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-ruby/pull/2#issuecomment-213439940
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acegiak Do I have mail?
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acegiak Great
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2016" https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016
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GWG Did I miss acegiak?
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GWG I feel alone.
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tantek GWG there's lots of us here :)
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ShaneHudson I've hopefully going to push that merge of my personal and portfolio sites soon... been working on it for about 6 months, mostly changing my mind all the time hah
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tantek ShaneHudson: hey I heard your site was down, everything ok?
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ShaneHudson Yeah I have a dedicated unmanaged server and it's been hit by a lot of traffic recently. Got cloudflare etc set up to try to protect it but turned out PHP was set up as if it was a small server even though it is quite a powerful machine
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ShaneHudson So this week I've been learning and reconfiguring, now running faster than ever
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ShaneHudson But I've just been so busy recently I hadn't had time to sort it
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GWG tantek, I meant as a WordPress person
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tantek GWG, I still have to occasionally do WordPress things on microformats.org
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tantek so I'm sure I will be asking for your help :)
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GWG Both pfefferle and acegiak are busy of late. I wish there were more people building for WordPress
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@btconf Great news: @t joins the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf next to @aaronpk and @adactio. Be part of it: https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/723548489309949953)
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@webrocker RT @btconf Great news: @t joins the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf next to @aaronpk and @adactio. Be part of it: https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/723549131445288960)
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@jkphl RT @btconf Great news: @t joins the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf next to @aaronpk and @adactio. Be part of it: https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/723552567897272320)
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@jkphl RT @adactioLinks IndieWebCamp Nuremberg on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157664909577964/ (twitter.com/_/status/723553387522994177)
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@bastianallgeier RT @btconf Great news: @t joins the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf next to @aaronpk and @adactio. Be part of it: https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/723555249198379009)
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tantek looks for an indie event for Düsseldorf
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aaronpk check out my home page ;)
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tantek I was checking out https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf#RSVP ;)
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snarfed https://developers.googleblog.com/2016/04/saying-goodbye-to-oauth-10-2lo.html
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aaronpk good riddance OAuth 1.0
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@adactio RT @btconf Great news: @t joins the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf next to @aaronpk and @adactio. Be part of it: https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/723559766598004736)
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[barryf] Hey aaronpk. Thanks for merging in my PR for the Ruby Webmention client.
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aaronpk [barryf]: hello!
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[barryf] It was fun debugging against Webmention Rocks as a test suite.
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aaronpk awesome
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[barryf] I should also be up-to-date on Micropub syndication targets
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk that's great. i was also wondering about your implementation of editing and deleting
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aaronpk your client and server suport edits right now?
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[barryf] Not quite. That’s next on my list.
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aaronpk ah okay cool
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aaronpk there's some discussion about the best way to handle that and I would appreciate your feedback
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[barryf] I’ve just recently been reading about the updates. It’s really come on since I launched my site.
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[barryf] Edits/deletes are a use-case I definitely want to avoid manual server edits.
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[barryf] Is there a discussion in the wiki or in IRC logs?
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aaronpk i'm writing up a github issue with a summary of the current state
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aaronpk there's a short summary of the latest changes here https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/08/7/micropub
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub Spec Updates
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GWG barryf, long time no see
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[barryf] Hey GWG. Nice to see you again! That freezing MIT IWC last year seems like a long time ago.
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GWG You think that was freezing? IWC NYC this year was so bad it got held over for an extra day and I got snowed in at my house and couldn't get there.
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bear i'm both dreading and looking forward to getting update/delete working in my micropub
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GWG Either way, hope you come across the pond again
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aaronpk update/delete/undelete ;-)
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[barryf] aaronpk Thanks. I’ll take a look.
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GWG I need to write unit tests before I'm allowed to do update and delete
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[barryf] GWG Weather over where you are is… severe(!)
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GWG barryf, it was the only big snowstorm of the season. Unlucky timing. BUt we're trying again...NYC2 in August
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[barryf] I think my server should be able to deal with the updates/deletes. Just needs some reasonable refactoring and tests.
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GWG My biggest problem is that the standard kept adjusting on that matter
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[barryf] aaronpk I know myfreeweb is working on his own Micropub client with support for edits. I let him know about Micropublish changes because I see he uses it.
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aaronpk cool. yeah I talked to him earlier about the syntax
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tantek what is OAuth 1.0?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OAuth 1.0" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JZ
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tantek barryf, are you looking at adding Micropub delete, undelete, read, update support to your code?
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aaronpk OAuth 1.0 is an obsolete version of [[OAuth]] which has a few lingering implementations, although most providers have replaced it with OAuth 1.1 or OAuth 2.0
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Loqi ok
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[barryf] tantek Hi! Yes, I currently do those actions manually through my server.
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tantek what do you mean by "manually"? editing and scping files?
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[barryf] Yes. Well, using vi on the files and a few batch jobs. Now that Micropub supports those actions I’m reading about how to add to my software.
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aaronpk that's how i currently edit the contents of my posts since i haven't built a UI that uses micropub editing yet
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tantek barryf, cool. definitely feel free to think out loud here with feedback while you're reading those parts of the spec
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myfreeweb "his" "him" oh well. my website says "they/them", it's even marked up with microformats :)
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myfreeweb so yeah, you can try micro-panel already
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[barryf] Oh, sorry for the pronoun faux pas, myfreeweb.
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myfreeweb it's not Production Quality™ yet
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myfreeweb but it does things
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[barryf] Thanks tantek. I’ll certainly do that. I’m going to try myfreeweb’s implementation as a test client.
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aaronpk myfreeweb: is your server open source as well? or just the JS client?
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myfreeweb it's been open source from the beginning which is over a year ago
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aaronpk awesome. ah yes it's this one, right? https://github.com/myfreeweb/sweetroll
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myfreeweb why would I ever do a personal project closed source? that would make me feel like the code is wasted :D
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tantek what is sweetroll?
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myfreeweb yep
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Loqi sweetroll is Greg V's engine that powers their website, unrelenting.technology https://indiewebcamp.com/sweetroll
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tantek myfreeweb++
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aaronpk myfreeweb++
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aaronpk myfreeweb: micro-panel is totally empty for me in chrome. it looks like it's working in firefox tho.
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aaronpk hm not quite. getting a JS error in firefox: "TypeError: can't convert undefined to object"
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aaronpk this is really cool tho
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@misuba Not-so-idle #indieweb question: what are the implications if we change "you own your data" into "*we* own *our* data"? (twitter.com/_/status/723579613209747456)
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myfreeweb hmm works for me in both
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aaronpk i wonder if my server is returning unexpected data?
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aaronpk here's firefox for me when I click "edit" on a post https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-22-11-34-23.png
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aaronpk chrome is just totally blank https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-22-11-34-49.png
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kylewm misuba really has a talent for asking ambiguous questions
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myfreeweb ah line 12 looks like no "properties" in the json
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myfreeweb is your ?q=source correct? check the requests in devtools
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snarfed kylewm++
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tantek kylewm: perhaps he is turning his site into a multi-user site
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aaronpk ah, my endpoint wasn't returning data
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kylewm I'm mulling something over with silo.pub... what if it didn't require registration before you could use it and just did authorization every time you log in
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tantek not a bad option
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kylewm I think it would be a lot less confusing, and maybe simplify the code
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aaronpk lessconfusing++
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tantek kylewm: depends on backend use of silo.pub vs UI right?
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kylewm right now I think it's creepy that you can log into Quill with https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan and start posting without granting write permissions (since you granted silopub write permissions the first time you logged in)
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tantek for the backend you just want it to work automatically after reigstration
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tantek s/reigstration/registration
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Loqi tantek meant to say: for the backend you just want it to work automatically after registration
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kylewm tantek: yeah once you have an access token, your backend stuff doesn't ever have to auth again
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kylewm unless the oauth token expires like it does with facebook
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tantek aaronpk: I didn't see an indie event for 2016-05-04 HWC PDX: https://aaronparecki.com/events
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tantek was just going to reply to misuba encouraging him to bring it up as a discussion at the next HWC
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tantek since Twitter is bad for discussion of such "big ideas"
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snarfed tantek++
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aaronpk there was something last night that made me think i was going to have to change the time of HWC next week... what was it
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Loqi It was a dark and stormy night https://indiewebcamp.com/It
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tantek Loqi++
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aaronpk bahaha
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aaronpk hey it kind of works!
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aaronpk i think my server needs a little more error checking, but basic editing with micro-panel works now!
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dym_cx > It was a dark and stormy night: https://youtu.be/wOj-Is2ylA0
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Loqi [indieweb] "I launched GitHub support on silo.pub this morning, so you can create and comment on issues via Micropub 🕶 #indieweb" https://kylewm.com/2016/04/i-launched-github-support-on-silo-pub-this-morning
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tantek curious why Loqi didn't pick up this @-reply: https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/723586068793024512
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@indiewebcamp @misuba good question. Bring it up at the next Homebrew Website Club PDX for a good discussion! http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/723586068793024512)
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KartikPrabhu wow! my webmention parser did not find aaronpk's name https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-aaronpk-english-US hmm
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aaronpk is an edge case
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Au contraire, I have a “whoa everyone speaks only English” moment whenever I land back in the US.
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aaronpk check step 7 of /authorship
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KartikPrabhu aah maybe I don't have full implementation of /authorship
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@indiewebcamp @misuba good question. Bring it up at the next Homebrew Website Club PDX for a good discussion! http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/723586068793024512)
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@wwnrw IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf: @aaronpk @adactio und @t freuen sich auf Euch! Hier lang zur kostenlosen Registrierung: http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/723583756678901761)
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@workingdraft IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf: @aaronpk @adactio und @t freuen sich auf Euch! Hier lang zur kostenlosen Registrierung: http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/723583756678893570)
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aaronpk tantek: there it is ^^
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: an aside, would like you site to have "hover" styles on links :)
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KartikPrabhu never realised I pay attention to those until now
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aaronpk oh looks like it's too subtle on some of them
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aaronpk the blue changes slightly
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah just noticed
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I don't get it either :( https://kylewm.com/2016/04/i-launched-github-support-on-silo-pub-this-morning
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] I launched GitHub support on silo.pub this morning, so you can create and comment on issues via Micropub 🕶 #indieweb
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aaronpk the not-blue links get underlines
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kylewm (aaronpk's name that is)
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aaronpk check step 7!
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: maybe time for a python /authorship implementation
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KartikPrabhu I get mine currently from mf2util which only looks at the page mf2
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kylewm yeah, I'd love to improve the one in mf2util
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aaronpk it's on the page, it's just at the bottom outside the h-entry
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aaronpk srsly read step 7 ;)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes, both kylewm and I don't have that step :) nothing wrong on your end
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aaronpk it doesn't require an extra http request, it's all on the page
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kylewm aaronpk: it's on the bottom outisde the h-entry but that's not the one we should be parsing accordin to step 7
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kylewm (right?)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I was thinking find_author would take an optional parameter, a function that takes a URL and returns mf2
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aaronpk wow finding all sorts of fun issues in my micropub endpoint now that i'm trying it with a different client
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KartikPrabhu i think it is better to keep mf2uitl to just parsing the mf2 instead of making requests
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tantek aaronpk yay interop testing!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek hopefully you're able to capture those issues as things to tighten up in the spec!
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aaronpk some of the issues are because my site treats values as arrays or strings, but wasn't normalizing them properly
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aaronpk for example, in form-encoded, h=entry means h is a string value, but the JSON says to do type:['h-entry'] which means it's an array
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@kylewmahan I launched GitHub support on https://silo.pub/ this morning, so you can create and comment on issues via Micropub 🕶 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723587739606634498)
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snarfed kylewm++ so cool. are you the first person (here) to do automated github posse?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm++
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: totally agree that I don't want mf2util making HTTP requests; the function that you pass in abstracts that away from mf2util
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kylewm snarfed: I'm not sure! And I'm not going to count it until I post an a real issue :)
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kylewm but thank you!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: if someone is using mf2util then they probably already have the mf2, or have a way of getting the mf2
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snarfed kylewm: does it support comments too?
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KartikPrabhu i think what is needed is an authorship implementation outside but using mf2util as an intermediate step
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snarfed ooh yes it does, https://silo.pub/developers#vocab-github
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snarfed so cool
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kylewm One thing you cannot do is Review Comments on a changeset
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kylewm those require a lot of extra data(commit id, line number, file name, etc.)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: so the way you could do that, is if mf2util returns a dict like {"url":...}, then you could do step 7 yourself
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is what I was thinking
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KartikPrabhu if the author name is missing do step 7 yourself or something
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KartikPrabhu i might not get to this for a long while though
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KartikPrabhu gtg later
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aaronpk kylewm: i think you're on the right track with skipping the "register" step
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aaronpk here's my syndication configuration on my site. I want to just type the silo.pub URL for github and have it do the github auth in the same flow
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-22-12-25-44.png
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kylewm yeah I think that makes good sense
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aaronpk well this will be fun
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html I'll generate it again in an hour and it will be sent out at 2pm.
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aaronpk oh hey it's friday
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@neustudio How am I just finding indie web camp? https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles #ff @adactio @SaraSoueidan (twitter.com/_/status/723592728538320897)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html I'll generate it again in an hour and it will be sent out at 2pm.
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aaronpk nice. let's see if the animated gif makes it into the email
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aaronpk gotta add some posts
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Adactio: Journal—Sparklining" https://adactio.com/journal/10531 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/22/10/)
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aaronpk who else wrote summary posts of IWC Nürnberg?
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tantek sadly I'm not going to get mine written before 2pm
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bear !tell kartikprabhu if you can file an issue against ronkyuu with your case and I'll add authorship support to it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk: I did post this http://tantek.com/2016/108/t5/indiewebcamp-hackday-webmentions-webactions
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] On #IndieWebCamp hackday I did
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tantek aaronpk: hmm I don't see a "Blog Posts" section on https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg
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tantek where are you collecting these?
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aaronpk this-week gets them from indienews
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tantek oh ok
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "On #IndieWebCamp hackday I did..." http://tantek.com/2016/108/t5/indiewebcamp-hackday-webmentions-webactions (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/22/11/)
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aaronpk it's easier for me to post to indienews than to edit the wiki :D
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tantek that's pretty funny
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voxpelli tantek: just remembered to try and post a like to that post though indie-config -> Quill :) http://voxpelli.com/social/2016/04/71071/ Success!
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tantek voxpelli++ yeah! nicely done!
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aaronpk i'm writing a quick summary as a note instead of as a blog post
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aaronpk nah guess i'll make it a blog post
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Nürnberg Demos 2016-04-17" http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampnuremberg2016demos.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/22/12/)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Photos from IndieWebCamp Nürnberg" https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157664909577964/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/22/13/indiewebcamp)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Nürnberg Hack Day" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/22/14/indiewebcamp
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@iwontsignuphere RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: There are great photos from IndieWebCamp Nürnberg at https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157664909577964/ by @iwontsignuphere (twitter.com/_/status/723600649498275840)
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aaronpk woo there we go
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KevinMarks I always for get how to post to indienews
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aaronpk http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/submit
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aaronpk i added indienews as a syndication target in my site, so i have a button for it
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aaronpk but all you really need to do is add a link to the indienews page in your post and your webmention sending will post it
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aaronpk more detailed instructions: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/how-to-submit-a-post
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KevinMarks hm, how did you submit mine then?
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aaronpk it says on that page
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aaronpk i submitted my bookmark of your post
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KevinMarks oh, webmention
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KevinMarks derp class not rel
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-04-20" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-04-20.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2016-04-16" http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampnuremberg2016.html
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myfreeweb aaronpk: just fixed micro-panel in chrome (iframe was 0px high lol)
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myfreeweb css--
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tantek aw
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tantek does anyone have any familiarity or experience with the tools here? http://tools.dcentproject.eu/
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "SVG Sparklines 2016-04-18" http://www.kevinmarks.com/svgsparklines.html
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tantek hmm - no photos for HWC?
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KevinMarks indienews all the things
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tantek hoping that helps
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I launched GitHub support on silo.pub this morning, so you can create and comment on issues via Micropub 🕶 #indieweb" https://kylewm.com/2016/04/i-launched-github-support-on-silo-pub-this-morning
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marcthiele Hmmpf …falsches Fenster ;)
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aaronpk woo busy indienews day!
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marcthiele Sorry. Wrong Window :D
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KevinMarks now we have the nuremberg pic with hwc sf?
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KevinMarks http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-virtual-guns-counterstrike-gambling/
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KevinMarks oops, wrong link http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html
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acegiak Gwg: *hugs*
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@jkphl RT @indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/723622414878265344/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/723622750720516096)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/723622414878265344/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/723622414878265344)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club SF: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-04-20.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-last-nights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-04-20html-indieweb
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tantek aaronpk - in last week generation - it somehow swapped a IWC image for the HWC! https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-22.html
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tantek # 2 - User:Gregorlove.com/Archived Interests shows up as a "New Community Members"
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aaronpk what!
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aaronpk hm yeah that's tricky since some peoples' user pages do have a path
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tantek the image thing is even more odd
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aaronpk weird about the photo
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tantek hmm - we missed https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-27-homebrew-website-club somehow
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tantek oh oops it didn't get added to /Events
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tantek gRegorLove: could you help out with an example of a two day event with your fancy new template?
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gRegorLove Don't have multi-day-event template set up.
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gRegorLove Just one-day-template. I'll revisit it now that we're doing text-only.
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aaronpk oh snap
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aaronpk that was dumb
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gRegorLove Heh, oops on my Archived page showing up as a user. Guess it pulls in all new pages in the User: space
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aaronpk it overwrote the first HWC photo with the first IWC photo
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aaronpk k fixed the web page but it unfortunately already got sent out via email
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aaronpk 10 posts on indienews this week! wow!
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tantek gRegorLove++ the single-day event templates definitely made it a lot easier to more HWCs
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gRegorLove Good! Incremental progress :)
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GWG I got a hug?
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kylewm aaronpk: does Monocle support ETags?
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kylewm or Last-Modified
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk i need to totally redo all of monocle's polling
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aaronpk er, not polling, subscriptions
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KevinMarks interesting https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/723642880657612802
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@felixsalmon @ftrain @max_read why is it so hard to paste (or import) GDocs -> WP, that's what I want to know. (twitter.com/_/status/723642880657612802)
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snarfed aaronpk: use a service? superfeedr, newsblur, feedly, etc
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aaronpk eh maybe
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aaronpk i have more drastic plans for it first anyway
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snarfed (building your own robust feed crawler/fetcher sounds like a lot of work for not much added value)
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snarfed cool
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aaronpk it'll also make it modular so i can have some feeds on superfeedr and others polling manually and such
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/ashleymayer/status/723651634094469121
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@ashleymayer The only innovation I want is to be able to start an email thread and bcc myself out of it at the same time. (twitter.com/_/status/723651634094469121)
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kylewm isn't that called From: do-not-reply@...
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KevinMarks yes, it's doable in protocol terms, it's a UI problem
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snarfed seems a bit inconsiderate
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aaronpk it's the email where you are introducing two people
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aaronpk the convention is that the next person replies BCC's the person who made the introduction, so that the following emails don't go to them
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snarfed ah, good point