#indiewebcamp 2016-04-21

2016-04-21 UTC
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Loqi
[indieweb] "TONIGHT Homebrew Website Club @MozSF!
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tantek
whoa Twitter changed the type of tweet permalinks from serif to sans-serif!!!
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tantek
finally making it consistent with the stream view
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tantek
Am I the only person who notices these inconsistencies and when they change?
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@indiewebcamp
RT @t: TONIGHT Homebrew Website Club @MozSF! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club #IndieWeb Nuremberg demos #Webmention WD #IWCNYC2 is on! (ttk.me t4gr5)
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[shaners]
I almost never look at twitter.com. I almost only ever user Twitter.app Mac/iOS
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tantek
shaners, I find the launch time / click latency of "native" apps too slow :(
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tantek
seriously why do they take so much longer to load and show info and be usable than a web page
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KartikPrabhu
but, but they are APPS ;)
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tantek
where's that cargo cult dfn
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: wait til APPS have been mass abandoned for BOTS
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kylewm
gregorlove: i like this one for fixing in production http://m.imgur.com/jxY7Ywz?r
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: have a cookie
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tantek
js;dr
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tantek
loaders gonna load load load
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tantek
seriously, imgur does not have a fallback for showing an image without JS?
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tantek
it's not called jsgur, it's called imgur. someone please send them a memo
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tantek
what is imgur
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Loqi
imgur is an image hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/imgur
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tantek.com
edited /imgur (+148) "seems to depend on js"
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tantek
what is imgur?
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Loqi
imgur is an image hosting silo that seems to ironically depend on js to show you an image, except for 48.gif https://indiewebcamp.com/imgur
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tantek
hah I think I just hotlinked their "loading" image
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tantek
which Loqi chooses to show as "48.gif"
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tantek
hmm - perhaps we should do something similar for parsing image URLs into mf2
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tantek
use just the last path segment instead of the whole URL
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gRegorLove
With JS off in Chrome, I get a poster image fo the gif with player controls, but they don't do anything
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[kevinmarks]
When it's a p- you mean?
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tantek
seems to me all we have to do is build small/fast indieweb(-friendly) websites that don't depend on js, and then just wait for the corporate web to implode under its own weight and fragility
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gRegorLove
Weird usage of the m. subdomain, too. The regular imgur.com link for the gif redirects there.
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tantek
gRegorLove: same problem for me with http://imgur.com/jxY7Ywz?r
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tantek
m. or not
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tantek
no difference
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gRegorLove
Yeah, it redirects to the m.
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gRegorLove
Hm, or not. It did for me once.
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aaronpk
lol i actually find the twitter app loads things way faster than the website now that the site loads several megs and modals on top of modals
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: yes
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aaronpk
emmak and I are here at HWC PDX
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[kevinmarks]
The amazingly slow part of the app is when they offer highlights, which take minutes to load
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aaronpk
weird network issues at the coffee shop so we can only get to the ipv6 part of the internet
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[kevinmarks]
I'm at Mozilla in reception, but no tantek yet
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[kevinmarks]
yay, 5 of us here so far
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I 20% want to make an #indieweb kylewm_ebooks that POSSEs nonsense and replies to webmentions" https://kylewm.com/2016/04/i-20%2525-want-to-make-an-indieweb-kylewm_ebooks-that-posses
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Moving kylewm.com to Known #indieweb" https://kylewm.com/2016/01/moving-kylewmcom-to-known-indieweb
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aaronpk
now discussing the micropub spec
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aaronpk
and form-encoding vs json vs multipart
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kylewm
aaronpk: does webmention.io support deletes?
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aaronpk
that is a great question
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aaronpk
hah apparently not
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kylewm
something nefarious might be happening because I can't delete stuff from werd.io or known.kevinmarks.com and I *know* known supports delets
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aaronpk
hm, well looks like webmention.io isn't handling deletes at all. good thing i'm close to writing a test for that on webmention.rocks
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tantek
aaronpk - where?
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aaronpk
kylewm's link
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tantek
where "discussing"
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aaronpk
at HWC!
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tantek
we are deep in quiet writing mode here in SF
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tantek
I'm furiously adding to wiki apges
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aaronpk
got some good feedback from emmak
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tantek
s/apges/pages
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: I'm furiously adding to wiki pages
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tantek.com
edited /2016/Nuremberg/Demos (+2343) "add explicit obvious site URLs for each demo, copy more demo notes from KevinMarks with permission"
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[kevinmarks]
I got attribution wrong on one demo
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aaronpk
whoa lightning
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[kevinmarks]
https://miklb.com wasn't there. Someone else was using his template and I got confused
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aaronpk
crazy portland weather
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tantek
o rly
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aaronpk
yeah also it was like 86 degrees today
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tantek
sweet!
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[kevinmarks]
tantek, have you engaged with WICG?
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tantek
what is WICG?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WICG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JP
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Suddenly motivated to add IPv6 to my servers. This coffee shop is only giving me an IPv6 address so the whole IPv4 Internet is inaccessible.
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KevinMarks
WICG is the Web Platform Incubator Community Group https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/ a way to develop standards without mailing lists
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loqi.me
created /WICG (+161) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461202249142 and dfn added by KevinMarks"
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aaronpk
i had to SSH to my server's IPv6 address then tunnel all my traffic through it in order to reach IPv4 addresses
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Welcome to Homebrew Website Club
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: this last weekend was Indiewebcamp Nürnberg which had a good turnout http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: A lot of the Nürnberg attendees had been to Indiewebcamp Dusseldorf last year, but about half were new
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: There were a lot of additions to people's websites and new code read the demos here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Demos
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KartikPrabhu
50% growth! pretty good
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KartikPrabhu
"Indieweb-a-mania is running wild"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Pelle @voxpelli got a polyfill for web actions working so you can comment on other sites using your own
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: A lot of people got service workers and offline pages working for their own sites
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: We had a very good discussion about homepages and design, which inspired some changes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: @adactio added sparklines to his homepage to show activity of different kinds of posts
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lot of homepages were a stream of recent posts; others were more of a bio
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I changed my homepage so that when on a narrow screen it links down to the bio stuff at the bottom
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@tbiz
Ok #webmentions sounds cool #indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: https://webmention.rocks/ is a validator too as it it gives detailed debugging information in the http response
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: there are 12-13 implementations passing https://webmention.rocks/ from ~18 different peopl
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp is a 2 day long event wheer we talk about ideas and build new things, usually over a weekend
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we just got a venue for a second Indiewebcamp NYC at the end of August http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC2 - tell your NY friends
(twitter.com/_/status/722964908569145344)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the co-organiser of IWC NYC , Emma Hodge set up her own site http://emmahodge.org at an indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on
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tantek.com
created /Template:emma (+8) "Created page with "{{Emma}}""
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GWG
Evening
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Homebrew Website Club is a fortnightly catch-up where we talk about what we have done on our sites recently
(twitter.com/_/status/722964555136131073)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you
(twitter.com/_/status/722966941648977920)
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@planspark
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on
(twitter.com/_/status/722967074314711040)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: this is built on top of another thing called Secure Scuttlebutt
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too
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tantek
what is Patchwork?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Patchwork" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JQ
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tantek
evening GWG - we just announced IndieWebCamp NYC2
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tantek
here at HWC SF
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GWG
tantek: Did anything else happen?
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GWG
At HWC?
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GWG
I'm excited about NYC2?
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tantek
you're not sure?
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GWG
Maybe we need a different name?
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GWG
Indiewebcamp Manhattan?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: Next week: Internet Identity Workshop XXII #iiw if indieweb people want to come I'll help http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
(twitter.com/_/status/722968131937947649)
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kylewm
what is Patchwork?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Patchwork" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JR
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loqi.me
created /Patchwork (+73) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461203945955 and dfn added by kylewm"
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tantek
what is PKI?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "PKI" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JS
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+667) "add IIW, WoT"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: @BarnabyWalters sang a round with himself using his website as a looper https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4goFfB/
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tantek
what is HOPE?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "HOPE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JT
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GWG
HOPE is Hackers on Planet Earth, an annual conference in New York.
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tantek
HOPE is Hackers On Planet Earth, a bi-annual conference that is sort of like burning man in a building with hackers in New York City
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loqi.me
created /HOPE (+93) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461204552248 and dfn added by GWG"
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tantek.com
edited /HOPE (+96) "biannual etc"
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GWG
I've never been.
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GWG
I'm convinced I'll be conned
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KevinMarks
Web of Trussed
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tantek
GWG, yes they call that "social engineering
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Jesus: I am setting up a site at https://t.co/5R1Uqp0qua, but now it is just a denied page, so it is secure
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+420) "/* Upcoming */ add a few more for each month"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aStateofKate: I just updated my portfolio site at http://www.katiejohnson.me/ during quiet writing hour
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm moving deckchairs around on the titanic on my site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I switched my site to Known in January, but i just switched my main site back to redwind, so https://known.kylewm.com/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I accidentally sent out webmentions to a lot of people because I changed URLs, so now we're testing Delete on
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KevinMarks
I changed to respecting order of webmention links
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KevinMarks
which was simpler
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+48) "most past to April in the past"
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: One of the things going on at IWC Nuremberg was this Sparkline thing. @adactio was using a thing @sil wrote years ago
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: brilliant thing embeds a script inside of the svg tag; but generated numbers inside the tag weren't so pretty
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: it's really nice if you're posting data on the web, for the data to still be there
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: (Q: why SVG instead of an regular image?) The nice thing about an SVG is it's really small but scales smoothly
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tantek.com
edited /IndieWebCamps (+668) "add IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016"
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (+10) "next is Düsseldorf, add NYC2!"
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I made svgur bc usually to share svgs you have to convert to png and then they'll convert it to a jpeg or something
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@kylewmahan
#indieweb @kevinmarks: the nice thing is if you share a link to svgur on Twitter, it generates a bitmap image for the preview
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aStateofKate: Is anyone going to the Grey Area festival this weekend? it's about data visualisation and Art
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (-19) "next HWCs, optimistically include all recent-ish cities, plus LA!"
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tantek
wonders how long it will take the IndieWebCamp banner to show Düsseldorf as the next IWC!
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tantek
aaronpk: ^^^
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: let's take another photo
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+2) "Düsseldorf"
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tantek
all wrapped up here in HWC SF!
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tantek.com
edited /next-iwc (+2) "Düsseldorf"
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tantek
hoping that does the trick
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tantek.com
edited /next-hwc (+0) "2016-05-04"
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@kylewmahan
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm moving deckchairs around on the titanic on my site
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@ChristopherA
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club @MozSF where almost everybody is smiling but we’re all happy 😂 #nofilter
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aaronpk
looks like you figured it out tantek
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aaronpk
the banner takes the event from /next-iwc
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on
(twitter.com/_/status/723011443747000320)
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: this is built on top of another thing called Secure Scuttlebutt
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Next week: Internet Identity Workshop XXII #iiw if indieweb people want to come I'll help http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
(twitter.com/_/status/723011470787641344)
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/
(twitter.com/_/status/723011480904302592)
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@IdentityWoman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/
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kylewm
aaronpk: very minor thing, the header at the top of https://webmention.rocks/update/1 links to /test/1
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Loqi
[Webmention Rocks!] Update Test #1
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kylewm
aaronpk: it's also in the permalink (u-url) at the bottom
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@patwalshe_
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/
(twitter.com/_/status/723014260033499137)
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tantek
!tell shaners are we confirmed for next Wednesday HWC in LA? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-27-homebrew-website-club (just making sure before I update all the things :) )
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@marymad
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/
(twitter.com/_/status/723045656869265408)
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@wiredferret
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on
(twitter.com/_/status/723050287456378880)
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@wiredferret
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you
(twitter.com/_/status/723050309723951106)
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[kevinmarks]
Hm, the retweets are showing up on the page
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dym_cx
!tell myfreeweb to save all of https://git.io/vwCDh as git-submodules
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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myfreeweb
dym_cx: you mean the libraries that have paths set in stack.yaml? yeah I guess that makes sense but for some reason I didn't want to do that
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Loqi
myfreeweb: dym_cx left you a message 14 minutes ago: to save all of https://git.io/vwCDh as git-submodules http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-21/line/1461231277763
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dym_cx
 myfreeweb: try to install sweetroll on a new VM and see how it goes (not)
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myfreeweb
well I never said it was ready for other people to use
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myfreeweb
if you want to try it, you should try removing the paths from stack.yaml
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dym_cx
having install instructions usually means it's at least installable
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aaronpk
good mornign!
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aaronpk
er, morning
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prtksxna
Hey aaronpk! I was trying out quill locally. Got everything to work but the editor isn't opening.
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aaronpk
hello! were those your github issues?
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prtksxna
I didn't raise any issues, just submitted two PRs
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prtksxna
I am using a fake micropub endpoint :S, could that be a reason for the editor to not load? All other forms open up fine.
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prtksxna
I just get a file listing, no PHP errors
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aaronpk
oh great! thanks
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aaronpk
oh hm that might be a web server configuration thing, let me check
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prtksxna
Possibly, I am using MAMP and its not great for configurability. I was considering setting up nginx, but thought it wouldn't harm to ask you first :)
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aaronpk
it should be fine under MAMP too. the main thing is you need to make every request that isn't a file run through index.php
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aaronpk
in nginx that's try_files $uri /index.php?$args;
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prtksxna
I see, all other post types are under one controller and editor has its own if I saw that correctly
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aaronpk
yes, those are all loaded by the public/index.php file
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aaronpk
so your web root should be the "public" folder
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prtksxna
aaronpk: It is.
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aaronpk
oh i have an .htaccess file in there too, that should be doing it
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aaronpk
what file listing do you see?
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aaronpk
like which folder is it showing? and what URL is in your address bar when you see it?
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prtksxna
aaronpk: public/editor
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aaronpk
ah, get rid of the slash at the end
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prtksxna
aaronpk: MAMP adds it back in and shows the listing again
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aaronpk
hm, then it sounds like it's not picking up the htaccess
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prtksxna
Adding .php leads to a 404, predictably
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prtksxna
aaronpk: You don't have the htaccess checked in, right?
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aaronpk
tell you what, i'll rename the "editor" folder since it's probably not the best plan to have that be named the same
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aaronpk
i think the .htaccess is in the repo, it's in the "public" folder
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prtksxna
aaronpk: Oh, I see it. Yep, you're right MAMP must not be picking it up.
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prtksxna
aaronpk: I'll try the renaming out locally and submit a PR if it works
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prtksxna
Hm, leaving the broken links to the files aside, just renaming the editor directory in public to foo doesn't help
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prtksxna
Leads to a 404 now
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aaronpk
well you'll still need to get it to pick up the .htaccess file
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prtksxna
Ah! Yes. I'll try it out with nginx during the weekend then. Thanks for your help aaronpk!
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@BrendanEich
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/
(twitter.com/_/status/723160887155019776)
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prtksxna
aaronpk: btw I have the isset code sitting in a branch
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aaronpk
cool! I'm adding nginx instructions to the readme
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prtksxna
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 118 karma
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aaronpk
looks like i've got a couple other Quill issues to take care of, so that sounds like a good morning task
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prtksxna
aaronpk: Another PR your way :)
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aaronpk
cool :)
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aaronpk
hey kylewm want to talk about syndicate-to?
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kylewm
aaronpk: sure!
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aaronpk
woo! i wanna get that fixed up today, and launched on Quill
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aaronpk
and my site
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aaronpk
so the UI needs to show a friendly name as well as an icon, is that it?
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kylewm
yep, that's right. Known's syndicate-to-expanded just gives me the name of the service, not an icon, so I have a little list of service <-> fontawesome icon mappings in woodwind
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aaronpk
name of service? interesting
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aaronpk
it occurs to me that there are also potentially two icons that are relevant here. one of the person and one of the service
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kylewm
indeed
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aaronpk
there must be other apps that let you syndicate to multiple profiles on multiple networks, how do they handle it?
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aaronpk
handle it in the UI I mean
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aaronpk
tweetdeck is only twitter, so they only show profile photos of the account you're tweeting from
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kylewm
thinking like Buffer/Hootsuite maybe?
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aaronpk
yeah, couldn't remember those names, thanks
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aaronpk
eesh buffer wants access to your DMs, jeez
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kylewm
2/3 of the way down here https://buffer.com/
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aaronpk
wow facebook login failed on buffer. i ended up on facebook.com after connecting the app
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kylewm
that's slick
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aaronpk
yeah i kind of like it
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aaronpk
now i gotta go delete the buffer authorizations so it doesn't randomly post for me
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kylewm
assuming most people will not have control over the HTML at their syndication targets, I think that rules out using mf2
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aaronpk
well kinda
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aaronpk
if a service supports micropub, there's a good chance it will also support mf2
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kylewm
yeah you can use an intermediary url like silopub does
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aaronpk
but yeah i'm leaning towards making the q=syndicate-to response include all the data needed
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aaronparecki.com
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prtksxna
Would the syndication target's favicon be helpful here?
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kylewm
prtksxna: yeah I think that's usually a reasonable guess for the 'service icon'
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aaronparecki.com
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prtksxna
kylewm: Yeah and one could apply certain canvas filters to make them look consistent.
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prtksxna
But it still wont feel entirely cohesive.
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kylewm
you mean it starts looking NASCAR-y?
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prtksxna
has never seen NASCAR
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aaronpk
what is NASCAR?
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Loqi
The NASCAR problem is a reference to the jumble of branding icons on websites, e.g https://indiewebcamp.com/nascar
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prtksxna
But I think I know what you mean and agree :)
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prtksxna
aaronpk: Its like f1, but slower (?)
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kylewm
I think the Buffer screenshot aaronpk shared above actually does a nice job of mitigating that
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kylewm
although I am not crazy about looking at pictures of myself
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aaronparecki.com
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prtksxna
has a bad habit of ignoring bots
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prtksxna
Sorry aaronpk
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kylewm
ohh bot blindness
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petermolnar
ad-blindness, bot-blindness, sounds like a nearfuture thing when you just walk on the street and ignore the robot butlers
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aaronpk
Loqi is a bot worth not ignoring :)
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prtksxna
botsnack
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aaronpk
here's my UI in p3k for adding new syndication targets https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-08-28-02.png
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aaronpk
i can add other micropub servers as a target, as well as something like indienews or bridgy publish which syndicate via webmention
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aaronpk
"POSSE Style"? interesting
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aaronpk
well we definitely need a name that is different from the internal identifier of the target
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aaronpk
and we need at least one icon
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kylewm
and Known would very much appreciate it if they could use a custom identifier for the service
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aaronpk
custom identifier?
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kylewm
like "twitter::kylewmahan" is the internal identifier for that service
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aaronpk
yeah, the actual syndicate-to value shouldn't be visible to the user, the site (Known, p3k, etc) should be able to make it up in whatever scheme they want
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kylewm
btw, POSSE style doesn't seem to do much of anything yet; just toggles shortlinks on if you share to twitter
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aaronpk
the service icon overlay thing is interesting, but i can't quite figure out how to make sense of it
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kylewm
oh really? I thought it was the same as what you do for received webmentions
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aaronpk
(i think i lost that with the new site, but yes)
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aaronpk
i just mean from the whole end-to-end flow
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aaronpk
i think silo.pub would provide the icon for the service it's connecting to
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aaronpk
my site treats all silo.pub destinations the same, it doens't know that one is facebook and another is twitter
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kylewm
oh like as opposed to the silo.pub icon? definitely agree
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kylewm
ok I see your point, micropub posse targets could provide this info via mf2
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kylewm
though we don't have a vocab for it...
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aaronpk
i think the micropub endpoint should return the full info in the q=syndicate-to response, to make it easy for clients
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aaronpk
but i do think it's worth having a way for a site like silo.pub to publish that info as mf2, so that the micropub server can find it there
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kylewm
yep, totally
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kylewm
so if we define the microformats classes first, the micropub representation should be obvious
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aaronpk
yes excellent
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kylewm
Do you think it's an h-x-app; or is that too much of a stretch?
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aaronpk
right now, h-x-app doesn't have the concept of a user account within that app
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aaronpk
it's almost just an h-card
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aaronpk
oh wow that's a lot more complicated than i was expecting
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Repost of Aaron Parecki's tweet" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/repost-of-aaron-pareckis-tweet-4c89e94ac0
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RT @aaronpk Just published a new @W3C Webmention working draft today, with all technical issues closed! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ #indieweb #socialweb
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aaronpk
you can drop the micropub- prefix from the properties since it's all an h-micropub-target object
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kylewm
good call
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aaronpk
hm, flattened looks easier to deal with as a micropub client, but makes up more setuff
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aaronpk
i like that the other version uses h-card
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kylewm
Yeah :/ nested things are a bit awkward in form encoding land
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aaronpk
whoever said form encoding? ;-)
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kylewm
Good excuse to use the jf2 stuff though
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aaronpk
here's how i imagine a compact version of that looking https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44
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aaronpk
(i made a few other minor changes)
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aaronpk
here goes nothing
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kylewm
is the service icon intentionally "icon" instead of "photo"?
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aaronpk
yeah since "icon" is already a property of h-card
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kylewm
is it!?
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@nobantu
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too
(twitter.com/_/status/723188598908968960)
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kylewm
maybe you're thinking of u-logo?
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aaronpk
oh yeah that
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aaronpk
Testing syndicating to IRC!
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aaronpk
whoa haha
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aaronpk
not really sure what to do about a permalink for that
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aaronpk
for now i will manually add the IRC log permalink to my post
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Testing syndicating to IRC!
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aaronpk
now i can syndicate things to IRC via a micropub endpoint :D
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aaronpk
aaanyway
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[kevinmarks]
Logo for the silo, photo for the person makes sense, though that will be odd for a FB page
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[kevinmarks]
As there the photo is a logo often
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aaronpk
pages have profile photos too i thought
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aaronpk
it might be logo-like, but it's still profile photo sized
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[kevinmarks]
the pattern still works for silos, for h-card the photo/logo distinction is maybe trickier
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kylewm
yeah I think the distinction between logo/photo is probably unnecessary
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kylewm
I think you'd only want to use logo if photo was already used for something else
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aaronpk
what i'm thinking with this JSON https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44 is that a client might only look at the top-level "name" property to show on a button, but then might later decide to enhance the buttons with the name of the service or user account
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aaronpk
so the top-level "name" should be something that is sufficiently descriptive of that destination
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kylewm
totally
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aaronpk
the "uid" is the value the client actually sends to the endpoint
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[kevinmarks]
That mapping works, and is clearer than a single h-card with both logo and photo
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aaronpk
we can simplify it further by dropping the "type" thing since it's not actually microformats json anyway https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44
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[kevinmarks]
The other way would be h-card with embedded p-org h-card
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[kevinmarks]
But that isn't quite right
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aaronpk
that sounds like an overloading of "org"
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[kevinmarks]
Poco had an accounts structure iirc
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kylewm
found a mf2py bug!
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kylewm
well other than the alt="" not working for the name... hmm
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[kevinmarks]
But that didn't make it into vcard
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aaronpk
so silo.pub can publish that HTML, and then when p3k goes to connect the new micropub target, it will get the data from there
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aaronpk
then p3k will return https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44 in the q=syndicate-to response
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aaronpk
sound right?
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[kevinmarks]
Is service what it's currently called?
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[kevinmarks]
It's not quite "target" I suppose
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aaronpk
oh for the html, i think "micropub-target" isn't quite the right term
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aaronpk
maybe "syndication-destination"? or even just "syndicate-to"?
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kylewm
syndication-destination sounds like a tagline for TBS
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aaronpk
h-silo?
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aaronpk
i'm finding that i want to customize a few details when I syndicate
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kylewm
Per post or per destination?
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aaronpk
syndicating to twitter, I sometimes tweak the text slightly
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aaronpk
i'm not quire sure how I want to handle it in the UI. I like having the quick syndicate button where everything works automatically pretty well, so I think I'm going to add a more complicated syndication UI in my site, the way I built a custom editing UI
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aaronpk
that's later. in the mean time, i'm going to update the micropub draft and my site and quill
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aaronpk
"user" needs to be optional, since some syndication destinations don't have user accounts
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KevinMarks
twitter notifications page keeps going Aw Snap! for me in chrome
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Loqi
rMdes_: kylewm left you a message on 4/17 at 4:09pm: here's the error I get sending you a webmention: https://gist.github.com/kylewm/49e926047072fd106a13c136e01276ca http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-17/line/1460934578055
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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kylewm
This looks great aaronpk!
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aaronpk
my endpoint returns that response now, just the uid+name for now, since I don't have a way to configure the rest yet
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aaronpk
oh kylewm another fun thing for you. I was running this idea by emmak last night and would like some more input from people who have done stuff with photos in micropub
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gRegorLove
kylewm: Your duplicate posts and 410s revealed a bug in my webmention code Fixed now, thanks!
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kylewm
always nice when something positive comes out of my ineptitude :P
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aaronpk
flexbox is so confusing
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aaronpk
how do I make a layout that shows either 4 columns or 2 columns, but not 3
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kylewm
aaronpk: kinda left me hanging with that fun idea tease
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi messages?
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Loqi
is done
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Loqi
yeah!
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aaronpk
oops yeah i got distracted
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aaronpk
i wanted to launch my new micropub code but then i realized i had unfinished changes for my home page and it wasn't in a branch so now i have to finish my new home page design
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KevinMarks
nest 2 flexboxes?
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: I think flex-grow: 2, flex-shrink: 1
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KevinMarks
or use a media query
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aaronpk
i want the four boxes below to have a minimum width, and when the page shrinks below 4*minwidth then they turn into a 2x2 grid https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-11-47-56.png
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Loqi
gives aaronpk the four boxes below to have a minimum width
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KevinMarks
sounds like a media query then
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: combine flex box + media query with min-width
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aaronpk
oh and i need another breakpoint to make them into a 1x4 stacked when the page is really small
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: that last part can be achieved with flex-box and mid width alone. then as viewport grows change min-width with media-query
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KartikPrabhu
using % min-width should work
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KevinMarks
you could do it with <div flex><div flex>1,2</div><div flex>3,4</div></div>
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aaronpk
hah what. I think i'm gonna need to do KevinMarks' suggestion. it seems to want to wrap as 1\n2,3\n4 otherwise
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kylewm
aaronpk: do you think I should continue to support a flat JSON list of UIDs too? or throw out that case and only support maps with at least uid and name?
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kylewm
in woodwind I mean
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aaronpk
you could support just flat UIDs as a fallback if you want, but I wouldn't recommend anyone publish that going forward
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aaronpk
oh hey i think my css framework has support for this built in
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KevinMarks
lol, by mentioning Alexa on gillmor gang Keith's Alexa ordered salsa for hom
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aaronpk
argh this isn't working
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[kevinmarks]
what's your framework?
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gregorlove.com
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[kevinmarks]
bootstrap et al have magic ways to do the 4/2/1 stuff based on their predefined sizes
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aaronpk
the problem i'm having with that is that I made my content column an arbitrary max-width that the framework doesn't know about, and the framework is doing responsive grids based on viewport width
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aaronpk
i think i just need to figure it out manually
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KevinMarks
getting into fights with a framework is not fun
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GWG
Afternoon
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aaronpk
okay here's what i'm working with http://codepen.io/aaronpk/pen/VaBapP
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aaronpk
i almost have it working, but it's doing "1|2|3 \n 4" for a bit of the time
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aaronpk
ooh i think i tricked it
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KevinMarks
right, you either need an extar layer
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Loqi
Chris Albrecht posted a question on StackOverflow about grids. Essentially: imagine you have an element with an unknown number of children. ...
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aaronpk
totally works now \o/
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aaronpk
now let's see if i can translate that back into my site
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snarfed
hey kylewm, bear, you use https://requires.io/, right? does anyone else? interested in a baseline "it's good" or "it's no good" before i sign up.
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kylewm
aaronpk: will you try you syndication stuff with woodwind again and see if it gives you the right strings?
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KevinMarks
that one suggests using % on the minwidth
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aaronpk
kylewm: i haven't launched it on my site yet but sure
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kylewm
oh no worries then
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aaronpk
gotta finish this home page stuff
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kylewm
woodwind is consuming the name and uid, not the other stuff yet
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kylewm
snarfed: requires.io is weird... for some reason I never get notified of its pull requests
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aaronpk
wow it's acting totally different on my site
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kylewm
and upgrading packages tends to break things, I mean which is good because you have a lot of tests
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snarfed
kylewm: thanks, ok. you like it otherwise though?
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snarfed
kylewm: from their PR settings dialog: "Your credentials are used to submit pull requests, so you may not receive GitHub notifications. Input a comma separated list of emails and we'll notify you directly."
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GWG
I am trying to decide how I will end my current project
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kylewm
snarfed: heh, I remember that but I apparently entered my email address incorrectly
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kylewm
also I should probably forward kylewm to kyle
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kylewm
snarfed: ok how about this one, it's all screwed up https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/pull/45
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kylewm
but yeah I think I like it overall, it's worth a shot
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snarfed
kylewm: screwed up in that...the new versions it proposed are bad?
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snarfed
or it hasn't resolved conflicts? or...?
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kylewm
yeah like there are so many commits and it has conflicts
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snarfed
k, signed up. its one main complaint with my projects is that requests 2.6.0 is old and insecure. whee!
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kylewm
which is especially funny because I think bridgy requires 2.1.0
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GWG
Did you ever try my solution to this?
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snarfed
heh yes. it sounds like there's finally a path to modern requests/urllib3 without scary monkey patches though. http://stackoverflow.com/a/35944044/186123
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snarfed
just waiting for requests v2.10.0
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snarfed
GWG: what's your solution?
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snarfed
don't think i ever saw it...
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GWG
I put together a plugin to fix it for me.
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GWG
But I am working on some changes to Semantic Linkbacks that would help
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GWG
I just noticed acegiak's version of Semantic Linkbacks has issues separate from pfefferle's version and noticed that
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snarfed
GWG: cool!
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snarfed
(plugin proliferation, ugh)
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snarfed
yeah i think they've mostly unified the code. mostly. maybe unifying the issues (ie disabling issues on one and moving all open issues to the other) is the next step!
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aaronpk
yaaaayyyyy it works
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GWG
snarfed, I don't intend to keep Semantic Notifications as a recommendation. It is more a stopgap.
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bear
snarfed - I really like requires.io - the many projects I have (or help with) all are helped by knowing when change is happening
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snarfed
thanks bear! agreed
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kylewm
the coolest thing is when it notifies me that my own libraries have updated :)
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kylewm
why yes I would like to pull in the latest version of mf2util and mf2py, thank you!
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kylewm
aaronpk: I'm going with h-x-syndication-target for now
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GWG
snarfed, I am wondering if I should consider unifying what was previously ripped apart. Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions plugin
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snarfed
GWG: yup i saw. good question!
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kylewm
GWG: can you keep the code modular (so one half doesn't depend on the other) while merging them back into one plugin?
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aaronpk
sqeeeee! it works!
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GWG
kylewm, yes. I am splitting it up
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kylewm
GWG: I've done that a bunch of times, split some code that was too entangled into separate projects, and then merged them back together once they were disentangled
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kylewm
in general, I am in favor of that strategy :)
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aaronpk
here goes nothing! launching new home page design
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aaronpk
i should take before/after screenshots
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KevinMarks
I get a 3,1 layout
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aaronpk
yeah, not working quite right yet
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aaronpk
the long event name is making that column overflow
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aaronpk
aha i can set a max-width on the content inside the flexing container
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KevinMarks
the implied width of text is hard
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aaronpk
that's a little better
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aaronpk
now i have sparklines too
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KevinMarks
seems like big margins on my (slightly unusual) display
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aaronpk
what size?
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KevinMarks
I have a TV in portrait size so ~1080
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aaronpk
my main column is intentionally a max width
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gRegorLove
aaronpk++ looks nice!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 119 karma
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gRegorLove
align-self: center; on the photo div will vertically center
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[bjoern]
uuh sparkly :simple_smile:
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[bjoern]
really nice
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kylewm
haha, looks even better after a hard refresh
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aaronpk
one more minor tweak. i realized even a phone is wide enough to keep the grid at 2x2
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KevinMarks
depends on the phone
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KevinMarks
2x2 on a nexus 6 is OK
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[bjoern]
the /gps link doesn't work, is this intentional?
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aaronpk
oh oops wow. that page must not have survived the switch
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aaronpk
ohh it was a redirect, and the redirect didn't make it
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Loqi
[indieweb] "How aaronparecki.com looks on nexus 6 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/how-aaronpareckicom-looks-on-nexus-6-indieweb
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aaronpk
hey not bad
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KevinMarks
right, the 4x screen means you can get away with more density
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snarfed
looks good for me after shift refresh!
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snarfed
minor nit, the colourlovers icon at the bottom is broken
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aaronpk
oh yeah i didn't add that favicon yet
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KevinMarks
I can see the sparkline unevenness on this screen, now I know to look for it
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KevinMarks
click through for full res
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gRegorLove
Looks good on Nexus 5 as well.
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aaronpk
that is some weird line width going on
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KevinMarks
it's both sparkline plotting things do ti at arbitrary width/height
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KevinMarks
mine at whatever height it is, Stuart's at 100x100 or somehting
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aaronpk
fixed footer icons, thx
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kylewm
so Articles is thicker because there are fewer, so the line width is much >> compared to the overall canvas size?
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aaronpk
yeah the height of the articles one is like 8px, but the height of the others is around 30
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KevinMarks
right, and if one of them went to 10000 it would look really odd
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aaronpk
hmm, that seems like maybe a good reason to stick with the %-based method that adactio was using
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KevinMarks
well, that does it too, as it is making it square
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KevinMarks
ideally you'd scale the x co-ords to give a square brush
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KevinMarks
or do an actual histogram
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aaronpk
but it wouldn't have the different thickness problem since they'd all have the same x/y axes
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KevinMarks
except you thing squish it 8x in one direction as yours is 80 by 10
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KevinMarks
s/thing/then/
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Loqi
KevinMarks meant to say: except you then squish it 8x in one direction as yours is 80 by 10
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aaronpk
yeah it'll have the italic brush, but at least all the sparklines would look the same
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KevinMarks
black may be too intense though
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KevinMarks
try wiht your query strings, you have more points than me
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aaronpk
interesting
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aaronpk
if I do that, then I definitely want my "rides" to indicate miles instead of number of trips
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gRegorLove
What sparked (ha) all this sparkline stuff recently?
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aaronpk
adactio added sparklines to his site at IWC Nürnberg, but I don't remember how that came up in the first place
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aaronpk
speaking of which, he totally redid his
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aaronpk
now they are inline
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aaronpk
and it looks like he's using values instead of percentages, but is not doing the scaling trick so his line widths are all uniform
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gRegorLove
I've seen some on Mashable, for how much an item is being shared.
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gRegorLove
They call it velocity graph. Top right under headlines. http://mashable.com/2016/04/21/prince-dies-obituary
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[kevinmarks]
Hm, it emphasises the gaps more somehow
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[kevinmarks]
The zigzags give an emphasis on change that is a bit misleading - it's like the diagonal problem with stacked trends
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tantek
reads today's logs.
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tantek
not sure of the micropub / microformats conversation but figuring y'all have it figured out.
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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tantek
aaronpk: did you try a light grey 0-baseline? not sure if it would help or clutter more
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tantek
like the Twitter graphs
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aaronpk
i think that only makes sense when values can drop below 0
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[kevinmarks]
Yes, on the histograms it is not needed
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tantek
they're not histograms
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[kevinmarks]
The histograms having no bars for 0 make them clearer
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[kevinmarks]
Scroll up a bit, I made both
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tantek
aaronpk: the reason I suggested it is that your bike rides look like very little activity is happening when in reality you're actually riding about the same amount each day
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tantek
so the information is lost
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tantek
the information that there's a steady level of riding going on. the eye sees a straightish horizontal line and thinks non-activity
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tantek
a baseline would show that key piece of information
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aaronpk
i'm also considering changing the rides to show distance on the y axis instead of number of rides
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aaronpk
the barchart version provides that baseline inherently
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tantek
kevinmarks that's confusing as heck
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tantek
and the barchart version looks ugly
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KevinMarks
the histograms show actual activity more clearly, the lines show change
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KevinMarks
depends on what you are emphasisising
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KevinMarks
the point is it is actually a histogram, and bin size is a factor
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tantek
KevinMarks you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means
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aaronpk
what is a histogram?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "histogram" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JU
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aaronpk
it would be a histogram if it showed distance biked by day of the week
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aaronpk
but since the x axis is continuous, it's just a bar chart
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KevinMarks
To construct a histogram, the first step is to "bin" the range of values—that is, divide the entire range of values into a series of intervals—and then count how many values fall into each interval.
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tantek
y-axis must be frequency, x-axis must be an amount, not time
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KevinMarks
what are your bins, aaron?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "your bins, aaron" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JV
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tantek
like a probability distribution
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tantek
it's not a time-chart - which is what is being shown
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aaronpk
but it's still a continuous time axis
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KevinMarks
OK. My basic point remains
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tantek
it's a barchart
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KevinMarks
it is a binned time series
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tantek
if you wanted to do a histogram you could show how many posts per hour 1 of the day vs. hour 2 vs hour 24
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tantek
and sum that up over all posts
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aaronpk
yes the bar chart version does a better job of indicating the actual volume per interval
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tantek
that would be a histogram
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tantek
but those example pngs were not histograms
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aaronpk
whereas the sparkline shows change per interval
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KevinMarks
so showing it as a bar chart is more accurate than a wiggly line
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aaronpk
s/shows/emphasizes
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: whereas the sparkline emphasizes change per interval
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KevinMarks
barchart emphasises the integral, line chart the differential
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bear
FYI - anyone using AWS us-east-1 - it just had a major network glitch and everyone is recovering
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snarfed
bear++ we definitely noticed
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Loqi
bear has 122 karma
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snarfed
fortunately brief
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bear
the specific outage was brief, yea - but our response to it has been long because of how widespread it was
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tantek
what is an outage?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "outage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JW
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tantek
any photos from PDX or DC last night?
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bear
An outage is an interruption to a service or server
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tantek
aw too slow let me try again
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tantek
what is an outage
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "outage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JX
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bear
An outage is an interruption to a service or server
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@jasonkarns
@adactio it seems to be picking up steam and i though it’d be great to get more indieweb exposure
(twitter.com/_/status/723295264069550082)
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loqi.me
created /outage (+75) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-21/line/1461281991246 and dfn added by bear"
(view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
an outage! ? ;)
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tantek
^^^ ok that tweet is going to be cited in a future April fools joke
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tantek
or at least the project it points to
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KartikPrabhu
what the what! is that project?
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KartikPrabhu
people are just going to copy-pasta all that meta crap
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tantek
lololol
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tantek
aaronpk: consider submitting a pull request to add a <link rel="webmention" ...> to https://github.com/joshbuchea/HEAD#link-element
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aaronpk
what in the world is that
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tantek
it was the first photo we took before realizing that Katie had quietly snuck off to the restroom
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aaronpk
i mean the HEAD thing
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tantek
oh lol
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tantek
I don't know but "it seems to be picking up steam"
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tantek
has never had any luck picking up steam, it just seems to evaporate.
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gRegorLove
New Loqi prompt? What in the world is ____
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gRegorLove
799 stars?!