#indiewebcamp 2016-04-03

2016-04-03 UTC
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@kodeitupuisi Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716434246311620608)
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@wpcharity Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716434514713522176)
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@DEVstrings Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ via @wpmuorg (twitter.com/_/status/716434516911349760)
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@bashooka Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716434726861545473)
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@SocialAbiliT Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716434787720904704)
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@Element321 Trackbacks vs #Pingbacks vs #Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ RT @wpmuorg (twitter.com/_/status/716434948874309633)
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GWG Makes me think that I should implement those ideas I have to improve the webmentions/Semantic Linkbacks plugins.
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@wordpress_rss Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - #WP #Wordpress - http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716435366929149953)
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@bitcatcha Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716435739559522304)
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@AlexaInfo Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716435982233563136)
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@Consulting_DK https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://twitter.com/Consulting_DK/status/716436034066771968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716436034066771968)
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@TheHostingDeals Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress, via WPMU DEV Blog https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=864547800335180 (twitter.com/_/status/716436148739031041)
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@gtpintado Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress #CMS (twitter.com/_/status/716436403484274688)
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@UK_MYOB Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716436555972390912)
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@Alexa_Movil Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716436599815467008)
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@GrowWP Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress | http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wp (twitter.com/_/status/716437268811137024)
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@WPPlugs Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716437297483358208)
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@2bintl Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716437308803780608)
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@WPUpdates1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716437358535647232)
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@wahreporter Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/wahreporter/status/716437623913492481/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716437623913492481)
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@AudienceGenetic Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/AudienceGenetic/status/716437937366437888/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716437937366437888)
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@Social_plugins Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716438358944260097)
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@VerPlayDesign Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Wouldn’t it be great it there was a standardized way to ... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716438869105840128)
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@Miss_L_Mitchell Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716439512973512705)
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@allwpthemesnet Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress @wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/716440468632940544)
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@WPLeak Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716441857425682432)
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@DemetriPerdikis #WPMU Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and we... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #enterprisewordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716441859397013504)
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@twofrc Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716442886095503361)
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@WPbackupplans Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716442888087842816)
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@wp_in Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716442890512150528)
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@WpNote Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716444308119879681)
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@debiluck Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/debiluck/status/716445171420803073/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716445171420803073)
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@wrmly Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://multisitewp.xyz/2016/04/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress/ https://twitter.com/wrmly/status/716443246952652805/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716443246952652805)
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snarfed Jeena: just fyi your wm handler is still 500ing. examples on https://brid.gy/instagram/jeenap
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@dbtheming Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716450077095694339)
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@AhsanParwez Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716452732132057089)
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@DigestWordpress RT @Miss_L_Mitchell Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716452788591439872)
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@NewsOfWordPress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to link… http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716453286640021504)
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@CzyzyckiDesigns RT @dbtheming Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716453833228947456)
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@WPUpdates1 RT @AhsanParwez Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716454542687252480)
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@realloc "Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress" http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress #feedly (twitter.com/_/status/716456557823795200)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Here I am thrilled to play with the indieweb tools with known
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@rubymarketers Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481067495067648)
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@SianAMurphy Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481069785210880)
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@wibradiolive Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481071773270017)
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@GoogleExpertsUK Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481073388060673)
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@Crystalhealingu Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481074063413248)
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@PamperFairHoo Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716481075959218176)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Aaron Parecki's post on aaronparecki.com | Get weekly updates from IndieWebCamp delivered to your email or feed reader! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-aaron-pareckis-post-on-aaronpareckicom-get-weekly-updates-from
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Loqi [indieweb] "통하였느냐?" http://achor.net/diary/1727
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@wpstarter Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716496279480700928)
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@GregoryKohlhof RT @WPUpdates1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716500421259321344)
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@Iwebdesigner_it "Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress" #wordpress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716507420659425280)
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@BDSMlifestyle RT @WPUpdates1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716510394630717440)
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@fonte011 RT @WPUpdates1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716512932419473408)
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@hostireland Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/hostireland/status/716513093912756224/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716513093912756224)
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@mattcnelson Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are al... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716516526497468416)
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@metodiew "Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for #WordPress " http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716522118754779136)
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tantek what the what
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tantek ah - WordPress + Twitter providing us examples for de-duping (or at least clustering) mentions!
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[kevinmarks] Ironic that article that says webmention spam is not a problem ddos's the channel
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@parsaim Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wpmudev #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716532343117332480)
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@SkweezeDesign WordPress: Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716534485551038464)
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@wpspeedster Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/wpspeedster/status/716543299679612928/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716543299679612928)
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@byteplate Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://byteplate.com/uncategorized/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress/ https://twitter.com/byteplate/status/716543624788348928/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716543624788348928)
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@AllenEWhite1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress: Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions ... https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress #WPMU (twitter.com/_/status/716543965969776640)
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@ageeksview Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://www.ageeksview.com/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress/ https://twitter.com/ageeksview/status/716551032734507008/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716551032734507008)
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@wpmarmite Infos #WordPress en anglais : Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716551633161887744)
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@acegiak @DarkestKale what? No! I use it daily! http://indiewebcamp.com/WhisperFollow (twitter.com/_/status/716563256656023552)
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@photografyum Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress #royaltyfreeimages https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/photografyum/status/716573548656001025/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716573548656001025)
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@MetroDetroitWP Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716609641417990145)
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@WPNewsThemes Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to link… http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716610924438757376)
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@KainerWeissmann Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress" http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WordPress #WebDesign (twitter.com/_/status/716615531940462592)
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@EstudioWebPro Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716618029577187328)
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@TheSiliconHub RT @MetroDetroitWP Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716627226754686976)
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@Jurassic_Themes Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/Jurassic_Themes/status/716635003182981120/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716635003182981120)
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Loqi [indieweb] "protip: don't connect your Twitter account to #Facebook OR your Facebook account to #Twitter = it's ugly." by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/protip-dont-connect-your-twitter-account-to-facebook-or-your
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aaronpk i'm gonna attempt to write a sample .ics file to test how various calendars handle importing it
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@TimothyKBowers #Trackbacks vs #Pingbacks vs #Webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #WPMUDEV (twitter.com/_/status/716651826947493889)
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@codeinwp Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716654414602362880)
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tantek KevinMarks: it's not a *D*DOS, they're all coming from one source: Twitter.
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@cschorn Indieweb as a Service (twitter.com/_/status/716656154303180800)
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tantek aaronpk: oh dear, that's a super nasty rabbithole
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tantek Interesting analysis by rMdes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/protip-dont-connect-your-twitter-account-to-facebook-or-your
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Loqi [Rick Mendes] protip: don't connect your Twitter account to #Facebook OR your Facebook account to #Twitter = it's ugly.
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tantek heh
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tantek why all the blank lines Loqi?
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Loqi :)
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rMdes more a rant tantek hehe
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tantek great screenshots though - demonstrating problems with both Twitter & FB!
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tantek POSSEing reposts in general is an interesting UI challenge - I'm not even sure how many folks here do it
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rMdes this was on my rant basket since a few month, I'm seeing this so much even on big institutional account at EU information level
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gyuumaou what a compelling read. man i love the ideas of this indieweb stuff i should have been looking into this a long time ago
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tantek welcome gyuumaou !
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rMdes they get free interns, subsidies and still terrible practice/methods using social media
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gyuumaou you'd think they would add twitter cards, can facebook's link shorteners actually support that?
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tantek rMdes: in particular "without any description or status text to pimp the link they are sharing" is a good critique of incompatible proprietary /link-preview approaches
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rMdes not sure but don't think so. i mean they could support that; but they wont..same way Twitter stopped to "embed" instagram
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@bitcatcha Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ @wpmudev @bitcatcha #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716657561110454272)
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rMdes agree tantek,just this one is easy to fix and people should know it
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tantek gyuumaou: the opposite. the fact that people are posting "plain" links in FB shows that those links still "look good" in FB *WITHOUT* Twitter Cards, thus it is Twitter that should adapt and implement a better /link-preview algorithm
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gyuumaou hmm i see
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tantek seriously great examples rMdes
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@IndeCardio RT @wpspeedster Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/wpspeedster/status/716543299679612928/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716658211483480064)
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@md_goldfinger RT @Jurassic_Themes Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/Jurassic_Themes/status/716635003182981120/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716658539113095168)
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tantek does this mean that any tweet mentioning WordPress gets retweet a whole bunch?
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tantek s/retweet/retweeted/
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Loqi tantek meant to say: does this mean that any tweet mentioning WordPress gets retweeted a whole bunch?
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tantek considers testing this hypothesis
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aaronpk i suspect it's actually that a lot of twitter bots tweet articles from the wpmudev.org blog
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tantek but then the retweets!
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aaronpk oh yeah these are all RTs huh
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@WordpressguruXL Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://managewp.org/articles/12108/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress #wordpress https://twitter.com/WordpressguruXL/status/716659757201932289/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716659757201932289)
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tantek On a FB "news feed" it shows that sort of thing as "friend1, friend2, and 56 others shared 'Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress' (link)"
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tantek That is, FB's "reader" has decent clustering code.
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tantek I wonder when mentions of Webmentions will pass mentions of IndieWeb (more than just a 24hr period) on Twitter
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rMdes tantek, with roundteam it's easy to replicate this behavior, and i think a lot of twitter account just react on other tweets if "x" is mentioned even if it's part of a word: like "Broadcasting", a twitter bot would RT if instructed to RT "broadcast" - I just hope twitter management services are in their infancy because it's easy to get fooled by words
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tantek (it may already be happening for week or month just from this and the W3C related tweets)
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gyuumaou has anyone here POSSE'd up their content to pinterest? im passively working on a tool thats pinterest-but-not (no social cruft) and im wondering if theres a seamless way to integrate
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tantek sounds pretty interesting
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tantek what is Pinterest?
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Loqi Pinterest is a visual bookmark hosting silo where users "pin" (bookmark), or "repin" (repost a bookmark of) a page with a specific image from that page to a "pinboard" (named bookmark collection) and follow other users and/or pinboards created by others https://indiewebcamp.com/Pinterest
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rMdes one of my twitter bots got fooled on #aprilfools, because someone I usually trust, made a joke about the ECB (european central bank) this managed to get through my filters & got RT, if twitter is to survive the bot invasion, it needs to give much better and granular control over what can/should bot do...but then it would become a control freak & people would move their bot away ? anyway..
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gyuumaou the design is a bit different, however; you dont create boards but instead tag your posts, then search/boolean search so your posts can effectively be in multiple boards
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tantek that sounds like a tagging silo in general like pinboard
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tantek what is pinboard
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Loqi Pinboard is a silo for hosting bookmarks https://indiewebcamp.com/Pinboard
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rMdes sounds like pinboard indeed
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gyuumaou hmm that page is empty
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tantek feel free to expand it!
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tantek what's your personal site gyuumaou ?
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gyuumaou 11 bucks a year what gives
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gyuumaou im at http://mz-80k.com (new-ish domain so its not greaaaaaat yet)
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gyuumaou oops i just realized those links to the projects are broken, haha. i've got modrewrite rules but i forgot i have the directorys up there too
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Loqi rofl
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tantek you also have a project called Quill! Or is it a fork of /Quill ?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
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gyuumaou whoaaaa no, no connection just a small little name of a small little personal project
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tantek I think /Quill also uses Markdown!
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^
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gyuumaou heh
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gyuumaou maybe i will ditch it and integrate this though
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tantek gyuumaou: if you add rel="me" to your GITHUB link in your footer, and then link from your GitHub profile page to your personal site, you can use your domain to sign-in to the wiki!
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tantek (no additional account / pw needed)
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gyuumaou oh really? that's good to know, ill do that
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aaronpk Quill sends full HTML using the medium-like editor to create it. no markdown
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gyuumaou http://mz-80k.com/project.php?name=IOOO here's the longform of that link, so you can see what it's like. a bit of an old design
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tantek gyuumaou: if you have any trouble with the markup/sign-in this is a good place to ask :)
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@wpreader Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress via @wpmudev http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/716663834992312320)
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tantek It's not a bad article either
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gyuumaou excellent, looks like it worked.
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tantek you're logged in?
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gyuumaou yes thats right
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tantek nicely done!
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tantek gyuumaou++
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tantek gyuumaou: add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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@WPUpdates1 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://managewp.org/articles/12108/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716665703387021312)
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Zegnat It looks like I can actually visit IWC Düsseldorf :o
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@fonte011 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716667027512025088)
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gyuumaou alrighty i've added myself to this IRC People page
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aaronpk wow i'm pretty disappointed with apple's support for ics
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tantek aaronpk: tried to warn you
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aaronpk aha i think i've figured out the lowest common denominator
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aaronpk apple understands named timezones, but not timezone offsets
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aaronpk so DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:20160620T120000 works, but DTSTART;TZID="-04:00":20160620T120000 and DTSTART:20160620T120000-0400 do not
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aaronpk so much for iso8601
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@KristyFahey Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ via @wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/716669000994783233)
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aaronpk it completely ignored the event with the time "2016-06-20T08:00:00Z"
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@AlfonsoRomay Hablamos sobre la #IndieWeb en el blog, hace tiempo: http://alfonsoromay.com/2012/07/movimientos-hacia-una-web-independiente/ (twitter.com/_/status/716669759576805376)
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rMdes good stuff there in spanish...it's alwxays good when new ideas go to spain, they tend to get adopted in some way to my experience
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Zegnat aaronpk: the RFC seems pretty clear on that fact: “The form of date and time with UTC offset MUST NOT be used. For
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Zegnat example, the following is not valid for a DATE-TIME value: 19980119T230000-0800”
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@RikMende Movimientos hacia una web independiente http://alfonsoromay.com/2012/07/movimientos-hacia-una-web-independiente/ via @AlfonsoRomay @t #indieweb goes to Spain ! (twitter.com/_/status/716670562127446016)
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aaronpk huh interesting
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aaronpk well the TZID with numeric offset should still work
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tantek yes they should
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aaronpk google understands them but apple does not
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tantek what is TZID?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TZID" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HM
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Zegnat Reading the iCalendar RFC (5545) I am confused as to why they did not just take ISO 8691 :/
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tantek like I said, rabbithole!
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aaronpk TZID is an attribute of date fields in the [[ICS]] format that is used to indicate the timezone name or offset of the date. e.g. "DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20160418T140000"
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loqi.me created /TZID (+199) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459702800039 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat E.g. for duration they except D (days), W (weeks) and then specifically state they do not support (M) month and Y (year). No reason for it. Just “Note that unlike [ISO.8601.2004],”
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aaronpk wow, I can't even best-guess at the timezone name given just an offset because I need to know the actual location in order to know whether the offset is in DST or not
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tantek Zegnat: subsetting from specs makes sense to simplify implementations and increase chance of interop
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tantek e.g. for durations in particular, months and years require LOTS more code than "just" days / weeks
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aaronpk Pacific time switches between -0800 and -0700, and Mountain time switches between -0700 and -0600, so if a timestamp has just -0700 then there's no way to know whether it's Pacific or Mountain
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Zegnat I guess that is true, tantek. But it still feels a little random when just reading the RFC. You get the feeling they are subsetting for no real reason other than reimplementing standards we already have.
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tantek aaronpk: or Arizona ;)
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aaronpk that's probably a better example since they don't do DST
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tantek (no DST)
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tantek point being, -0700 ~ PDT/Arizona/MST
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aaronpk and of course ISO8601 doesn't provide a mechanism to include a timezone name, only an offset
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aaronpk so I can't even store a proper timestamp without adding a separate field for the timezone name
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tantek no, just don't confuse timestamp with location and you're fine
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tantek notes ICS has LOCATION, which is where hCalendar and h-event got it ;)
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aaronpk the problem is apple doesn't handle a numeric timezone, so the events show up wrong
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aaronpk i have to give it a named timezone for it to work
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aaronpk but I don't *store* named timezone in my site (because there is no way to do that in iso8601)
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@JOELSAVAGE1 RT @Jurassic_Themes Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/Jurassic_Themes/status/716635003182981120/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716673993483427840)
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Zegnat Interesting, the RFC does not specify a naming convention for TZID at all. I wonder if Apple has documented what Calendar accepts somewhere else.
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tantek aaronpk: no the answer is to always use UTC / Z in ICS as the LCD
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tantek then both gcal and apple ical will get it right
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aaronpk oh yeah I didn't add that test case yet
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tantek (this is what x2v / h2vx does)
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aaronpk let's see if apple understands TZID=UTC
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tantek (which is all open source btw, feel free to check it out instead of rediscovering ;) )
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@bestfreewpress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - http://www.bestfreewordpress.com/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress/ Wouldn’t it be great it the... https://twitter.com/bestfreewpress/status/716674468421066752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716674468421066752)
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Zegnat I don’t think they will, aaronpk. If you set the datetime with a Z at the end you are not allowed to define a TZID at all
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Zegnat According to RFC
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tantek right, no need for TZID when you Z
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Zegnat “The "TZID" property parameter MUST NOT be applied to DATE properties and DATE-TIME or TIME properties whose time values are specified in UTC.”
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aaronpk apple ignored the event when the dtsart was "DTSTART:20160620T160000Z"
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Zegnat That is … weird. That sounds correct
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aaronpk I can't use the "floating" time "DTSTART:20160620T160000" because that would cause it to appear wrong when my phone is set to a different timezone than the event
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tantek no no the UTC should be working
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aaronpk the spec says "DTSTART:20160620T160000Z" is valid
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Zegnat http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#page-34 - defines 19980119T070000Z
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tantek which validator are you using for that ? ;)
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Zegnat yeah, it should be valid o.O
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aaronpk validator?
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aaronpk i'm reading the spec, implementing it, then looking at how it is imported by my iphone
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aaronpk one more try...
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tantek.com edited /repost (+781) "document Twitter to Facebook retweet cross-posting per rmdes article" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh what now it works
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rMdes what is that ?
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Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply http://indiewebcamp.com/that_
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aaronpk "DTSTART:20160620T160000Z"
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tantek rMdes I'm documenting your research on the wiki
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tantek.com edited /link-preview (+487) "/* Twitter */ does show link-preview for tweet link, but note FB cross-post lack of link-previews per rMdes article" (view diff)
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tantek rMdes: you thought you were ranting, but your screenshots were quite useful / informative :D
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tantek rMdes - I've linked directly to your images, but if you prefer, you can upload those screenshots to the wiki and we can reference them locally - up to you!
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@WPDailyThemes Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716677853853704196)
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gyuumaou i hate it when you have a problem, but you dont even know what it is so you cant google it or ask people. haha
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rMdes tantek, i can't right now, but if you do a base page i can expand for sure :)
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gyuumaou i have this website game/app?/toy that i launched about a year and a half ago, looking to recreate it and reinvigorate the community its built and there's so much to consider. my goals: residual income with minimal maintenance
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gyuumaou existing version is at space.galaxybuster.net
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tantek rMdes: don't worry about a new page / base page - you can just upload the pngs directly via https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Upload and I can help put them into place on the right pages
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@It_is_jonathan "Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress" http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #wordpress #feedly (twitter.com/_/status/716681120566407169)
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@design_pg Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://www.danielemilana.it/blog/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress/ https://twitter.com/design_pg/status/716689764888420352/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716689764888420352)
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@LanubeMKT #Trackbacks vs #Pingbacks vs #Webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716704820208537600)
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aaronpk well the good news is I now have my travel/events showing up on my phone with the correct duration and time slots
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aaronpk the bad news is iOS no longer knows the local time of the event, so it just shows the summary as "from 12:25 am to 3:50 am" rather than the local times in each timezone "7:25 am to 12:50 pm"
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aaronpk when the phone knows the different start/end timezones, it actually displays it well
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aaronpk as a workaround, I put the local times in the ICS description field so that I know what it actually means
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bret aaronpk: does the enableable tz support in Calendar.app not work?
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aaronpk i'm testing on ios
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aaronpk don't know if you saw the discussion earlier. it works with *named* timezones like America/Los_Angeles, but not timezone offsets like "-07:00"
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@BuddhaBroInc "Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress" http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #blogging #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/716710603537137664)
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@elastrixio #Trackbacks vs #Pingbacks vs #Webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716715758118637577)
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[kevinmarks] Google calendar allows separate timezones for start and end (handy for flights)
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[kevinmarks] Do they get through on iOS
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aaronpk they do from google calendar to iOS yes
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aaronpk the only problem is that iOS doesn't interpret TZID=-07:00 properly, it only handles TZID=America/Los_Angeles. Other than that, everything works fine.
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snarfed about to flip the switch and turn on bridgy instagram scraping and indieauth signup for everyone
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bret snarfed: what happened again with instagram?
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snarfed bret: they're locking down their api and requiring per app approval, and bridgy got rejected
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snarfed gory details: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603
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bret wow
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snarfed yup
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snarfed no matter, scraping works great
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: have a bridgy question when you are free
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: shoot
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KartikPrabhu see this conversation: https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/713501044718718976
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@GlennF @kevinmarks This seems totally appropriate, though, because it’s in context and isn’t intended to be a takeover. (twitter.com/_/status/713501044718718976)
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bret snarfed: cool
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: what's the question?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: mentioned my post but I did not get a mention from it, but I got mentions from all the remaining replies
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KartikPrabhu seems wrong behaviour?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: ah ok. looking
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KartikPrabhu i thought I would get webmention as a "mention type" from KevinMarks' tweet and no webmention from the replies since they are not linked to my URL at all
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snarfed understood
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KartikPrabhu cool, let me know if you need more info or I am just thinking through this wrongly
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: i'll keep looking but first guess is that twitter search is only best effort :( this bites us occasionally. https://brid.gy/about#best+effort
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KartikPrabhu oh! that sucks
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KartikPrabhu that does look like what happened
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snarfed whee
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KartikPrabhu ok I'll manually edit it for now, thanks
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Loqi [indieweb] "Boffo Socko Now Supports Hypothes.is Annotations" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/03/boffo-socko-now-supports-hypothes-is-annotations/
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KartikPrabhu ruh roh!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: np. https://brid.gy/about#source-urls
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@ChrisAldrich Boffo Socko Now Supports Hypothes.is Annotations http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/03/boffo-socko-now-supports-hypothes-is-annotations/ #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/716735373271900160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716735373271900160)
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@MaelConan RT @wpmarmite Infos #WordPress en anglais : Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/716735408093179908)
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snarfed done! anyone here with a bridgy instagram account, feel free to try re-signing up. it'll use indieauth now instead of instagram's API.
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snarfed thanks in advance for testing!
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KevinMarks hm, huffduff-video didn't show any progress bars
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snarfed KevinMarks: huh, no?
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snarfed it did for me
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snarfed was it a small video? sometimes if it's small enough the callbacks don't get called
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snarfed KevinMarks: oh right. about half the time, none of the content ever shows up until the very end. i have no idea why.
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snarfed web servers, http, wsgi, etc, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@eugenione Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ #webDesign (twitter.com/_/status/716747321145483264)
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tantek snarfed, just got a 500 Internal Server Error from https://brid.gy/instagram/indieauth
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snarfed tantek: doh, thanks
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snarfed tantek: looks like bridgy successfully redirected you to indieauth
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snarfed so the 500 probably came from there
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tantek um looks like I need to extract and share the friendly URL input field on tantek.com/relmeauth ;)
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snarfed hmm maybe, but bridgy gave indieauth me=http://tantek.com (url encoded), which should have worked
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Loqi Tantek Çelik
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snarfed (gentle nudge aaronpk...?)
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aaronpk hello what
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snarfed odd that it works for me
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snarfed indieauth may have just 500ed? tantek and i are debugging
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snarfed bridgy redirected him to https://indieauth.com/auth?me=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com&state=&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid.gy%2Finstagram%2Fcallback&client_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid.gy%2F
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tantek (worked after I put in an explicit http://)
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tantek I mean, worked as in went through to IndieAuth flow
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tantek weird, it's making me sign into Github repeatedly :/
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tantek and now: "What”½ / Your browser did something unexpected. Please contact us if the problem persists." from https://github.com/session
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aaronpk hm the little yellow banner on bridgy is covering up the "log out" link
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snarfed aaronpk: yes. bad ui.
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snarfed tantek: you're right, i misdiagnosed. looking
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snarfed never mind aaronpk
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snarfed (aaronpk: refresh will make the toast msg disappear)
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tantek Safari bug
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tantek "No Instagram profile found. Please add an Instagram rel-me link, then try again. " heh
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snarfed (also log out on bridgy is mostly meaningless, but still feel free)
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aaronpk oh i assumed i wouldn't be able to log in again unless i first log out
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tantek putting in a rel-me to IG just for Bridgy
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snarfed tantek: heh thanks
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah "log out" just clears the acct bookmark links at the top
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aaronpk tantek: you didn't already have a rel-me link to instagram on your site?
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snarfed (there's no "logged in" apart from that :P)
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tantek aaronpk: I removed it in the great filtering out a few weeks ago.
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snarfed thanks for the QA tantek!
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tantek snarfed: of course! happy to canary
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snarfed so the safari bug is that it doesn't enforce url scheme in input type="url" ?
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aaronpk i can't actually reproduce that error
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aaronpk i was able to log in with "aaronparecki.com" "http://aaronparecki.com" and "https://aaronparecki.com/"
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tantek snarfed - yeah it didn't seem to
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tantek form still submitted
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snarfed silly
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tantek followed by the 500
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tantek snarfed, if you care to extract, I'm using <input type="url"> in a friendlier way on tantek.com/relmeauth that automatically prepends the http:// before the browser has a chance to complain that the thing is not a URL
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snarfed should have depended on type=url
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aaronpk oh, in safari it gets shows that 500 error before it even redirects to indieauth.com
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snarfed tantek: thanks! i might
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aaronpk s/gets //
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: oh, in safari it shows that 500 error before it even redirects to indieauth.com
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@DigiConstructFR RT @WordpressguruXL Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://managewp.org/articles/12108/trackbacks-vs-pingbacks-vs-webmentions-for-wordpress #wordpress https://twitter.com/WordpressguruXL/status/716659757201932289/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/716752174919716864)
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tantek does his monthly manual update of his upcoming events box yet again
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tantek awwww: "Your Instagram account is private. Bridgy only supports public accounts." - though I suppose that is "works as specifed/promised" ;) snarfed
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snarfed lol yes sorry tantek
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snarfed glad it's working!
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snarfed (the check)
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tantek haha yes at least I helped verify that :)
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snarfed technically your account is still live though, grandfathered in!
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tantek oh really? how? even though I tried to reconnect to it?
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snarfed yup
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tantek so it's getting scraped or no?
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snarfed expected behavior there isn't exactly clear
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snarfed sure, it is, https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek , but it'll never send a wm
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tantek I don't think it ever has
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tantek (even when public)
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snarfed since you went private? hopefully not
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snarfed oh? oh since you don't have IG synd urls?
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snarfed true then
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tantek no I have them
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snarfed oh? then that would have been a bad bug...?
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snarfed ok, login without url scheme bug is fixed
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tantek yes, for quite some time. view-source:http://tantek.com/ - first instance of "u-syndication" for example
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Loqi Tantek Çelik
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tantek yes Loqi?
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Loqi who, me?
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snarfed tantek do you remember when you went private?
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tantek Loqi, no, who is on first
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Loqi :)
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snarfed nm
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tantek snarfed, pretty sure I posted about it
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snarfed looks like bridgy sent you plenty of instagram wms before then. eg https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek?responses_before=2016-03-01T15:59:57.628490#responses
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snarfed (phew)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web
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tantek oh so that did get fixed then!
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tantek I wonder what happens if I toggle public then poll
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snarfed i don't remember the bug, but evidently yes
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snarfed sure that should work
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tantek interesting
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tantek does the IG API allow for programmatic switching of pubic/priate profile?
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snarfed oh god no
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tantek snarfed: check out https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek now - notice "No webmention targets"
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snarfed and even if it did, you couldn't use it after they lock it down in a couple mos anyway :/
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snarfed k looking
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tantek guess I'll try another website crawl but it should have caught all the syndication links for all but the latest photo
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snarfed trying to remember if your site was unusual and bridgy didn't follow its permalinks to find synd urls. not sure.
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snarfed aha, no, it found them fine. (looked at a log.) the problem is instagram photo permalinks are different when public vs private
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tantek shouldn't have to - the IG synd URLs for my photos are on my home page stream also
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tantek whoa what
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snarfed details in https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1459718106&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyFQsSCUluc3RhZ3JhbSIGdGFudGVrDA
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snarfed yes. private ones are way longer.
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snarfed hmm maybe that's only for when they're created?
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tantek and they don't redirect?!?
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snarfed no, IG doesn't change them when you toggle. so, i'm still not sure.
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tantek weird
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tantek maybe they post them to different servers depending on if your account is public or private at the time
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snarfed ohhhh it may be the IG permalinks' ?taken-by=... query param
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snarfed :/
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tantek wait - like it needs to be there? or needs to not be there?
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tantek which should I be doing?
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tantek (happy to clean up my links)
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snarfed neither. bridgy should handle it.
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snarfed still not sure that's the cause. i'll keep looking.
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tantek ok - I'll leave the account public for a bit to see if you can track it down
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snarfed yeah the IG permalink thing is funny. eg https://www.instagram.com/p/BDtru1pg9et/ vs https://www.instagram.com/p/BDtru1pg9etqxCtFUluMZTN9Uh1em_1SoKQpHQ0/
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snarfed i think it is that after all
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snarfed eg https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1459723441&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUwsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIkV0YWc6aW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbSwyMDEzOjEyMjA1NDc5ODc4Mzk4OTkxNjNfMjk3NTI0NF9saWtlZF9ieV81MDQwNzcyNTkM shows bridgy looking up by the new public IG permalink, but your synd link is to the private one
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snarfed whee
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tantek I was wondering why the permalinks got longer
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tantek hey snarfed, the public permalink is a truncation of the private one!
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snarfed interesting!
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tantek public: https://www.instagram.com/p/BDwQe2eg9Yb
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tantek private: https://www.instagram.com/p/BDwQe2eg9YbhjNCGntz06bFFG7TS0n22tRiPlA0
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tantek (ignoring take-by param)
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snarfed probably always true
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tantek probably yeah
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snarfed yeah bridgy was ignoring the query params after all
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tantek I'm going to go truncate a bunch of links by hand and see if I break anything >:D
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snarfed sure!
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tantek snarfed, looks like it worked!
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tantek 11 character IDs
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snarfed1 tantek: yay!
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Loqi :D
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tantek so heck, you could truncate and compare in Bridgy ;)
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snarfed yes we could
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snarfed this is a pretty unusual use case, but true
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tantek trying a bridgy recrawl...
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snarfed woo sending
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snarfed if only we saw them on your site! :P
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tantek I know I know :(
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tantek the manual event updating stuff is definitely grating on me
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snarfed whispers "drop the per-event wiki pages!" :P
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tantek wasn't even referring to THAT manual event updated ;(
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tantek s/updated/updating
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Loqi tantek meant to say: wasn't even referring to THAT manual event updating ;(
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tantek (the upcoming events box on my home page)
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tantek that's the itch -> motivates me to support event posts -> motivates me to support receiving & showing RSVPs -> motivates me to show received webmentions
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tantek ok looks like with the truncated URLs, bridgy found the IG posts and sent a bunch of webmentions!
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snarfed yup
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tantek ah, except for the ones that scrolled off my home page
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tantek I can hack that temprorarily
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snarfed are you thinking of leaving your acct public now?
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tantek no, I can just toggle and recrawl as needed ;)
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snarfed wow, ok
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tantek hmm - found "No webmention targets" instance
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tantek bottom of https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek?responses_before=2016-04-03T23:02:11.111390#responses
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tantek "Good morning Boston! That’s more like ... "
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tantek IG permalink https://www.instagram.com/p/BDN1_hjA9fw/
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tantek which is currently on my site as https://www.instagram.com/p/BDN1_hjA9fw
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tantek does that matter? trailing slash or not? didn't seem to for the other links (I left off the trailing slash on nearly all the others and Bridgy found them)
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snarfed generally shouldn't matter
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snarfed i'll look
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snarfed oh it probably just stopped there
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snarfed when it crawls and finds new synd links, it resends old responses up to a point, but not back in time forever
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tantek oh darn
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snarfed retry button should do it
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snarfed should have sent at least a few dozen hopefully
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tantek I think it did!
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tantek clicks a bunch of retry buttons
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tantek oh weird it doesn't retry all the webmentions for that permalink
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tantek just literally one favorite/like at a time
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tantek that doesn't make sense, if it finds a new webmention target for a permalink where it didn't find one before, shouldn't it reprocess *all* the "No webmention targets" found errors for that permalink?
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snarfed ideally yes. good feature request
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snarfed just difficult internally
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tantek I don't even know how to file that
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snarfed you may also be interested in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/579
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tantek uses a :thumb-up: for the first time on GitHub
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snarfed lol
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snarfed reacgitji
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tantek reactjigit
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk no
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tantek themesong: get jigit with it
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tantek feels like he's playing webmention-clicker
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tantek is worried there are hundreds of these
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snarfed there probably are!
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snarfed and the UI doesn't make it easy to retry lots at once :/
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tantek tries clicking lots of retries before the browser can reload
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tantek hey that works!
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tantek uh more No webmention targets
snarfed1 joined the channel
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tantek snarfed: found another one (have retried a few times)
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tantek oh no wait
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tantek Bridgy has the private long permalink
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tantek what the
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tantek ok now I want the unusual feature request
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Loqi gives tantek the unusual feature request
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tantek truncate long Instagram permalinks at 11 char IDs
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tantek gives Loqi a GitHub issue to fix
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Loqi peers at the GitHub issue to fix
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tantek Darn, he's getting smarter all the time
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tantek snarfed, ok, truncate IG permalinks request filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/641
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tantek applies to first 3+ pages of https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek
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snarfed1 thanks for filing!
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tantek weird - now it can't seem to find https://www.instagram.com/p/BDN1_hjA9fw
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tantek snarfed, top of https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek
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tantek er, https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek#responses
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snarfed will look
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tantek "Good morning Boston! That’s more like ... " ... "No webmention targets"
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tantek but it's definitely linked from my home page
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snarfed bridy only crawls the first 10 permalinks in any feed
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tantek oh
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snarfed since it recrawls every 4h
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tantek considers another evil hack
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snarfed sorry; the use case here - changing old posts - is getting farther and farther away from expected :P
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tantek sure, was just trying to test the permalink equivalence
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snarfed tantek: as an alternative, you can add synd links inside the feed. bridgy will find and use all of those.
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tantek they are all in my home page feed
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tantek wait do you mean the Atom feed?
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snarfed no, home page
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tantek it's on my home page
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snarfed true!
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snarfed then not sure
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tantek hence the report
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tantek snarfed, is there anything else I can do to help debug the top "No webmention targets" error in https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek#responses ?
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tantek needs help with posting an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club
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tantek !tell benwerd,kylewm,KevinMarks could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco and update the page there? Thanks much!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell adactio is Brighton HWC on this week? assuming not due to AEA Seattle. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell Jeena is Göteborg HWC on this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell shaners,cleverdevil did you two figure out HWC Los Angeles for this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed tantek: not right now. thank you though!
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tantek snarfed, ok, I'll leave my account public for a few more hours at least to help with the debugging