#indiewebcamp 2016-03-23

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acegiak I'll have to look further into this tomorrow I think. Today is too busy :/
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acegiak tantek, most of my blogroll entries have a json object stored in wordpress's "notes" field for the record. Quickposse just checks to see if an @persontag has a matching blogroll entry and, if everything exists, looks in the json object to see if it has a property for the posse destination
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acegiak so my one for you might be {'twitter':'@t','tumblr':'<a href="tantek.com">tantek</a>'}
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acegiak oh he's not here, lol
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acegiak !tell tantek most of my blogroll entries have a json object stored in wordpress's "notes" field for the record. Quickposse just checks to see if an @persontag has a matching blogroll entry and, if everything exists, looks in the json object to see if it has a property for the posse destination
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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acegiak !tell tantek so my one for you might be {'twitter':'@t','tumblr':'<a href="tantek.com">tantek</a>'}
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kevinmarks.com edited /person-tag (+199) "/* Ashton McAllan */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /person-tag (+173) "/* Kevin Marks */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks this leftpad thing is crazy
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miklb which part?
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miklb the fact a single line broke so much, or that npm didn't support the publisher
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KevinMarks all of it
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KevinMarks though a 10 line function breaking so many peoples builds is also weird
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miklb I found it interesting they admitted it was a gray area to re-publish that library
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miklb libary/package/function
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YESS /whois yess
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YESS heh
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aaronpk that's the danger of a centrally managed package repository
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miklb I don't know much about node/npm but didn't know it wasn't a community project until tonight
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KevinMarks well, it became a company
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sknebel also interesting that all these projects had a specific version pinned, making the NPM-intervention necessary
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[jgarber] kevinmarks: I was just dropping by to share that since it’s tangentially relevant to our own-your-data interests.
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[jgarber] Looks like the story is still developing: https://mobile.twitter.com/seldo/status/712414400808755200
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[jgarber] Ah, miklb referred to this tweet (re: “gray area”)
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kylewm surprised by this reaction https://twitter.com/eranhammer/status/712422573737271296
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@eranhammer What a pathetic, ignorant, and irresponsible betrayal of public trust by @azerbike. https://medium.com/@azerbike/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules-9045c06be67c (twitter.com/_/status/712422573737271296)
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kylewm if that guy just decided it wasn't worth it to fight trademark trolls
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sknebel he removed ~250 packages, not just the one in the trademark dispute
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kylewm ahhh, that makes more sense now
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sknebel the one package everyone is upset about (because "everything" depends on it) isn't the one they forced him on
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sknebel what would have been interesting if someone had grabbed all those packages names and published "updates" with malware
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KevinMarks it's not even a very good implementation, it'll churn lots of string objects
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sknebel no clue if there is a better way in JS
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kylewm so it seems like making version history immutable would be a good thing for a package repository to do?
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sknebel and JS JIT-compilers are *crazy*
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sknebel I think many do, NPM says the ability to revoke totally insecure code or accidential leaks is more important to them
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sknebel (e.g. I don't think you can remove versions from PyPI)
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kylewm um, is there a conventional issue tracker tag for "awaiting confirmation"?
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sknebel "unconfirmed" for newly submitted bugs
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kylewm I mean like, "we think this has been fixed in code", waiting for the reporter to confirm that the issue was fixed on their end
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kylewm I just used awaiting confirmation, nbd
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KartikPrabhu hmm so compaines can sue open source software devs over names?
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KartikPrabhu context: https://medium.com/@azerbike/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules-9045c06be67c
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kylewm you can sue anyone for anything
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miklb WordPress does it all the time. If you don't defend the mark, you can loose it. I don't know the details of this threat though.
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miklb reator™ is another example
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miklb s/reator™/realtor™/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: realtor™ is another example
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KartikPrabhu then i don't blame that dev from "witdrawing" all his code from NPM
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: did you read the scrollback?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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kylewm it seems pretty irresponsible to remove packages without any warning to people depending on them
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KartikPrabhu maybe it is. but beats being sued
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kylewm but like sknebel said, the alternative was to remove or rename the one package and leave the other 249
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KartikPrabhu yeah, and then someone else sues for the other one
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KartikPrabhu and so on
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kylewm to be fair, i had the same reaction you did initially
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miklb depends if a legit trademark. Those are not easy to get. Sounded to me they did it without discussing with him so he was upset and had a knee jerk reaction. But too much unsaid in the story IMO.
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KartikPrabhu wonders if "Known" is trademarked
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kylewm I vaguely remember ben talking about that but can't remember what the outcome was
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aaronpk it sounds like he was trying to make a point
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aaronpk which he seemed to have done very successfully
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KevinMarks I wonder what else is the kevin bacon of npm
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kylewm I would guess passport.js
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kylewm although it sounds like that has a little more heft than leftpad
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KevinMarks someone is bound to come up with a way to hold apps hostage now
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miklb in this case though, he knew the license was liberal enough that anyone could pick it up and offered anyone to adopt the others. a pain to people using it, but not permanent.
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi tantek: acegiak left you a message 2 hours, 55 minutes ago: most of my blogroll entries have a json object stored in wordpress's "notes" field for the record. Quickposse just checks to see if an @persontag has a matching blogroll entry and, if everything exists, looks in the json object to see if it has a property for the posse destination http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458691456024
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Loqi tantek: acegiak left you a message 2 hours, 55 minutes ago: so my one for you might be {'twitter':'@t','tumblr':'<a href="tantek.com">tantek</a>'} http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458691468075
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miklb heh https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/712473462867103745
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@ag_dubs p.s. if you think `left-pad` is the only 11 line module that is heavily used you are wrong. (twitter.com/_/status/712473462867103745)
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KevinMarks well, that sucks, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7763 ignores http://commonmark.org/
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@DimitrisTzouris Last day of #DigPed Lab Cairo. Almost ready for the unconference. My session is on #indieweb stuff, mainly @indiewebcamp work. (twitter.com/_/status/712547231472205825)
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petermolnar re leftpad: lol. It was about time from something like this to happen. A single function as dependency? You asked for trouble.
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@creichel_ Just testing the webmention-thingy thing :-) http://working-products.com (twitter.com/_/status/712582387729825792)
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Loqi [indieweb] "'I Love My Label': Resisting the Pre-Packaged Sound in Ed-Tech" http://www.downes.ca/post/65153/rd
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GWG Morning all
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@DimitrisTzouris I showed some #digped people #indieweb tools like @withknown and https://brid.gy/ at the unconference. They loved it! There is hope! (twitter.com/_/status/712634697050890240)
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@DJWrisley RT @DimitrisTzouris I showed some #digped people #indieweb tools like @withknown and https://brid.gy/ at the unconference. They loved it! There is hope! (twitter.com/_/status/712637309452230657)
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@grantpotter @dajbelshaw #indieweb 'Taking back control of the web: an easy way to host and run secure open source apps' using .. http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/dajbelshaw-indieweb-taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy (twitter.com/_/status/712651217579687936)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@dajbelshaw #indieweb 'Taking back control of the web: an easy way to host and run secure open source apps' using @sandstormio https://medium.com/the-slackerati/taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy-way-to-host-and-run-secure-open-source-apps-c7f417f702af#.isc0w9ev2" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/dajbelshaw-indieweb-taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy
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@grantpotter @dajbelshaw #indieweb 'Taking back control of the web' using @sandstormio https://medium.com/the-slackerati/taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy-way-to-host-and-run-secure-open-source-apps-c7f417f702af#.isc0w9ev2 #highered #IndieEdTech (twitter.com/_/status/712652037125701632)
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@grantpotter @dajbelshaw #indieweb 'Taking back control of the web' using @sandstormio https://medium.com/the-slackerati/taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy-way-to-host-and-run-secure-open-source-apps-c7f417f702af#.isc0w9ev2 (twitter.com/_/status/712668779931631619)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Well done!" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/well-done
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Loqi [indieweb] "@dajbelshaw #indieweb 'Taking back control of the web: an easy way to host and run secure open source apps' using @sandstormio https://medium.com/the-slackerati/taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy-way-to-host-and-run-secure-open-source-apps-c7f417f702af#.isc0w9ev2" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/dajbelshaw-indieweb-taking-back-control-of-the-web-an-easy
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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aaronpk good morning!
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gRegorLove Just came across a good, short "build software for yourself" post: http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch02_Whats_Your_Problem.php
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gRegorLove "When you solve your own problem, you create a tool that you're passionate about. And passion is key. Passion means you'll truly use it and care about it. And that's the best way to get others to feel passionate about it too."
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gRegorLove Oh, guess it's part of a book.
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aaronpk this is a great post about web apps https://joreteg.com/blog/why-i-switched-to-android
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bear henrik is very passionate about progressive web apps :)
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aaronpk Project Fi seems like a pretty good deal too
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ben_thatmustbeme uses Project Fi
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: you said your site is available as as2 correct?
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@nicolehill17 RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 39 (twitter.com/_/status/712660634631073794)
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk adding "jimheskett" to the blacklist. sorry jim.
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gRegorLove How about exact phrase "indie author"? Or can you only block accounts, not tweet content?
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aaronpk i can block both accounts or text content
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aaronpk but that was a lot of accounts
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aaronpk added "indie author" too
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lmorchard So, I’ve been totally remiss in promoting or mentioning this anywhere, but FWIW we’re going to try to have a Homebrew Website Club meeting tonight near Detroit (was a JS meetup) https://www.facebook.com/events/1034757449904069/
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aaronpk cool!
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aaronpk oh speaking of... bret: are you free tonight for HWC?
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lmorchard kind of a haphazard first get together to morph a JS meetup, but we’ll see what happens
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KevinMarks put it on the wiki, Les and we can tweet it out
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KevinMarks that's a private event
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lmorchard Oh derp
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lmorchard I cleverly hid a link to the maker space we’re meeting at, over here https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club
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bret aaronpk: apologies, I am not. i think I need to take an indefinite leave from hosting of any meetup for the moment pdxnode included 😭
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aaronpk aww
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aaronpk i just realized i totally forgot to post the pdx event anywhere
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aaronpk so i don't think anyone is going to come cause it's a bit late now
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KevinMarks you haven't set a venue
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bret i need to do some soul seeking across the board and figure out my level of meetup involvement that works for me. been putting it off and need to just deal with that i think
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KevinMarks could poke people in the xoxo portland channel
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kylewm KevinMarks: if it's looking like just and me in SF tonight, do you think we should cancel?
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KevinMarks well, Clinton said he might drop by
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KevinMarks is benwerd a no?
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kylewm I dunno, do you want to poke him?
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/712070365334212610
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@dewitt @kevinmarks @benwerd Nice. Hope to make it! (Conflicts with some post first-day activities for GCP NEXT 2016, but I'm a homebody anyway.) (twitter.com/_/status/712070365334212610)
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kylewm oh ok, I don't know who that is but that's cool
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[kevinmarks] DeWitt Clinton is a dev advocate fro Google Cloud, a good guy
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@calum_ryan Planning a home-hosted Homebrew Website Club at mine in glorious Kent (UK), not too far outside London (35 mins) #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/712718504856788996)
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KevinMarks and he works on cloud launcher, which would be good to get Known and maybe otehr indeiweb tools into
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community
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kylewm Loqi is sort of like @AllTheTwits for indieweb blog posts
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Loqi is done
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aaronpk yeah i don't know why he's getting pings for old articles so much
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sknebel where does he get them from? superfeedr keyword search?
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aaronpk yeah
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@voxpelli Halvnöjd med dagens presentation, men fick iaf nämnt alla IndieWeb-delarna + Jaiku. SÃ¥ det viktigaste. (twitter.com/_/status/712752319922835456)
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gRegorLove Quiet day in #indiewebcamp
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gRegorLove tumbleweed.gif
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myfreeweb yeah
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myfreeweb i'm going to sleep soon but i have pushed an update to my website... it now supports reactji
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myfreeweb can someone reply with an emoji to e.g. https://unrelenting.technology/notes/2016-03-23-11-16-48 ? :)
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Loqi [Greg] TIL Pushover has a Firefox Share service.
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aaronpk amaze
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aaronpk you should implement the rest of /authorship tomorrow :)
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Loqi agreed.
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myfreeweb it worked! but you were parsed as MIT Stata Center :D
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myfreeweb it picks the first h-card for now, not the representative one
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myfreeweb oh, representative is pretty simple, yeah
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KevinMarks I just replied
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/untitled-4
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] 🌟
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kylewm ugh, hate those untitled slugs
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KevinMarks if no-one else comes we can have a Known hacking evening
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snarfed myfreeweb++ congrats! didn't handle mine, but nm.
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Loqi myfreeweb has 9 karma
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myfreeweb snarfed: you sent it as an image
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snarfed btw you can always test by replying yourself, right?
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snarfed really? looking
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myfreeweb yeah i guess i can, just fixed a TLS issue that didn't let me do that :D
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snarfed aw man, boo wordpress. ah well
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kylewm KevinMarks: sgtm definitely, I just didn't know if you'd want to come all the way up to the city for that :)
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kylewm snarfed: myfreeweb: it's not an image in the source, it's an html entity: &#x1f525;
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myfreeweb oh
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kylewm huh, but it gets parsed weirdly
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myfreeweb wait no it's a link
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, evidently js converts it to an img, if you look at it in browser dev tools
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myfreeweb you have the in-reply-to link inside of the content
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kylewm i'm surprised that the parsed mf2 has \u escape codes and not the html entity http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsnarfed.org%2F2016-03-23_unrelenting-technology
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snarfed myfreeweb: sure, that's kosher
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snarfed mf2 parsing should still say the content is the emoji char
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snarfed the html entity thing is still maybe a problem though. meh
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snarfed meh meh meh
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kylewm the other problem is the wordpress template thing where you get two values for content
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KevinMarks the \u escape code was the thing i was talking about
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snarfed also meh. it's not ideal, but should still more or less work, especially the plain text value. just annoying.
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snarfed (fwiw my indie replies, likes, etc do work generally. the emoji part is the only unusual part here.)
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KevinMarks http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#unicode_generation_in_JSON
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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bret aaronpk: https://twitter.com/eranhammer/status/712769598056230912
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@eranhammer My OAuth experience is completely different but at the crucial point, I chose differently. When I quit OAuth I privately held most of the IP (twitter.com/_/status/712769598056230912)
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bret err https://twitter.com/eranhammer/status/712770491359096832
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KevinMarks normalising the entity is good, I just think we shoudl put the utf8 in the html
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@eranhammer I picked the very best person to take the best care of them and gave him the domains and the rights. Only then did I go out against it. (twitter.com/_/status/712770491359096832)
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bret :)
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KevinMarks hm, we should do some non utf8 html encoding testing too
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KevinMarks like shiftjis or russian encoding
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myfreeweb hmm the one from KevinMarks wasn't picked up until i resent the webmention
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kylewm KevinMarks: that's pretty strange, I don't know where in the Python code it would be converting html entities in the content['html']
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myfreeweb weird, i'm parsing snarfed's reply on my parser https://unrelenting.technology/mf2/ and i see the actual emoji
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snarfed emoji makes me (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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myfreeweb lol
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myfreeweb i never actually write emoji, but i like to see them
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[kevinmarks] BS used to have a function called UnicodeDammit that normalised it
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[kevinmarks] I think it's just implicit now
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kylewm that's a nice page for your parser, myfreeweb
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[kevinmarks] Putting unicode chars in a utf8 encoded json is a bit weird
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kylewm kevinmarks: it shouldn't matter though, right? like, either way should be valid?
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myfreeweb speaking of the parser, looks like it should decode html entities at least for u- properties, because my image proxy gets an invalid url for snarfed's gravatar
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kylewm yeah, gotta support &amp; at least
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myfreeweb OH found the reactji problem
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myfreeweb this is silly, i wrote "properties.text[0].value"
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myfreeweb it worked for others because it falls back to properties.name[0]
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