#indiewebcamp 2016-03-22

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aaronpk just got an email from dreamhost saying they renewed my letsencrypt cert :D
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aaronpk dreamhost++
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aaronpk letsencrypt++
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@kevinmarks @dewitt that reminds me, we should have that chat about indieweb and gcloud - @benwerd - are you in SF on Wednesday? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/712068808077250562)
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @benwerd Nice. Hope to make it! (Conflicts with some post first-day ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/712070365334212610)
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett replied '@dewitt @kevinmarks @benwerd /sub!' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/712072089537286146)
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @benwerd Coincidentally yes, but only toward the end of the day. Let...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/712068993213800450)
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snarfed dreamhost++ wow cool
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Loqi dreamhost has 2 karma
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@dewitt @benwerd well Homebrew Website Club may fit in as it's from 6:30' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/712069494676434944)
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bear cool - would love to interact with dewitt clinton again
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GWG bear: Ask him about the Erie Canal?
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bear erie canal?
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GWG Wasn't he instrumental in building the Erie Canal?
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bear ahh, *that* dewitt clinton
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GWG They named my father's high school after him.
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bear he was a senator from NY :)
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GWG Governor.
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bear Senator and 6th Govenor
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bear (at least according to the google blurb that shows up for his name)
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GWG They called the Erie Canal Dewitt's Ditch.
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bear :)
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gRegorLove Welp, the honeypot local comment field wasn't enough to stop all spam. I've received a handful of spam comments in the first 24 hours.
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KartikPrabhu :P
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KartikPrabhu forms don't stop bots do they
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aaronpk gRegorLove: how'd you do the honeypot field?
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KartikPrabhu actually Django has a CSRF protection thing on forms
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KartikPrabhu so POST requests made from browsers work else not
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gRegorLove It did block quite a few though, so leaving that in. I added Akismet back in and am logging what it reports as spam -- no moderation.
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: I have CSRF protection
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gRegorLove honeypot is a second input name="website2" that's hidden. If anything is submitted in that field, it returns 403
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aaronpk return 200 instead
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gRegorLove Why?
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aaronpk no reason to tell the spammers they did something wrong
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gRegorLove I guess. The 403 I took from what Known's doing.
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aaronpk i've always done it with 200. make it look like it worked as far as they can tell
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KartikPrabhu why does the return code matteR?
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gRegorLove I'll try it. I doubt the bots are bothering with the return code, though.
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aaronpk if you don't mind requiring JS to have people comment, i've also had good luck with changing the value of a hidden form field with some JS code
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gRegorLove I haven't had any failed CSRF yet, interestingly, so they're definitely hitting the site.
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gregorlove.com edited /local_comments (+73) "/* gRegor Morrill */ Akismet" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk++ for using JS. i do that, stops probably 99% of spam cold. that plus akismet gets me pretty much zero false negatives and false positives
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Loqi aaronpk has 96 karma
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@eddiemaloney RT @benwerd Last night I dreamt of an #indieweb studio, hosted at a university, acting as a hub for the movement. (twitter.com/_/status/712131218670821377)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jussipekonen says when ADN closes he'll rely on his website and micro-blog. So I need to make sure he gathers the reply I make from" by Jeremy Cherfas https://quiroreal.com/2016/jussipekonen-says-when-adn-closes-hell-rely-on-his-website
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acegiak KevinMarks: looks like your markup works much better with my parser now!
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acegiak The conversation chain looks all nice and pretty now: https://acegiak.net/2016/03/19/21397/?trashed=1&ids=1707
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Loqi [Ashton McAllan] Well I’ve merged the latest version of the semantic linkbacks plugin and my salmentions supporting code. Here’s hoping it just works. #indieweb...
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KevinMarks that's looking better
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KevinMarks ah, so this one won't propagate to the previous one because Known would need to change? https://acegiak.net/2016/03/19/will-it-be-a-salmention-if-i-reply-to-you-or-does-someone-need-to-reply-to-me/
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KevinMarks so known would need ot see that you have the reply in your post, and propagate it to me, and then to you?
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acegiak exactly, yeah
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KevinMarks so the chain gets broken if only one of you is supporting it, which I suppose makes sense
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak but kylewm and I had a couple of conversations where the tree went pretty deep
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acegiak which was nice to see it working
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KevinMarks except kye is now on known so would need to reimplement it
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acegiak oh, right
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acegiak lol
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acegiak well I'm happy to help if people want to implement salmentions in known
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acegiak wait, does that mean I'm the only one supporting them?
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acegiak has long conversations with herself
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acegiak does known support recieving person tags?
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KevinMarks not yet afiak
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acegiak hmm, I should find someone who does
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KevinMarks webmention.herokuapp.com does
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KevinMarks so kevinmarks.com does
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acegiak sweet, ok
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KevinMarks hence the crazy list of replies on my homepage
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KevinMarks especially as brid.gy now sends them from twitter
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acegiak ah yeah
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acegiak why is a person tag a u-category and not just a h-card? does u-category denote it as something specific?
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KevinMarks u-category means tag
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acegiak ohhh
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acegiak neat
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KevinMarks otherwise it would just be a child like known was doing wrong
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acegiak Ok I need to work out how to recieve homepage webmentions on wordpress
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acegiak my heart is beating rather fast.
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KevinMarks presumably you'll get them if the webmention link is on the homepage
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KevinMarks but maybe the handler only checks for posts or pages?
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acegiak yeah that's what I think it is
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acegiak I don't know where I'd store a person-tag in wordpress
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KevinMarks how is it different from another kind of mention?
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KevinMarks presumably there's a bit in there for the post url?
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acegiak yeah, but what post object do you attach the comment to for storage?
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KevinMarks I don't know the db well enough. Do they have numeric IDs or paths or what?
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acegiak I'm gonna create a page and use that as the default for comments on the home url
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KevinMarks that would work, or you could use 0 in the comment_post_ID
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acegiak hmmm maybe
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acegiak might make wordpress freak out I think
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Loqi [indieweb] "I've been hacking around the indieweb for a while and had this plugin, which works well, for quite a while.
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Loqi [indieweb] "chrisaldrich on "[Plugin: rel-syndication for wordpress] There are newer, more actively updated plugins for this"" by chrisaldrich https://wordpress.org/support/topic/there-are-newer-more-actively-updated-plugins-for-this#post-8182116
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KevinMarks as the default post id is 0 in the comment table you may well find a lot of glitched ones
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KevinMarks if you do it via twitter you need to wait for the bridgy task to run
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KevinMarks oh, that was the posse copy?
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acegiak that was a posse copy on twitter
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KevinMarks hm, I don't see the original
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acegiak yeah the webmention from original code isn't working. I'm having a look now
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KevinMarks it's in https://webmention.herokuapp.com/user/sites/kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks ah ther eit is
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KevinMarks Must be some queueing
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Loqi [indieweb] "Good catch @dshanske! It was exactly https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication that was the cause. I could have sworn that I'd cleaned out all of the older/legacy indieweb plugins" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/good-catch-dshanske-it-was-exactly-jihaissewordpress-syndication-that-was-the
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acegiak OK! so sending works!
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acegiak I can send person-tagss
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KevinMarks and they can be possed to twitter and fb by bridgy
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KevinMarks tantek did that
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KevinMarks and the twitter clearly worked
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KevinMarks did you delete it?
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acegiak I'm deleteing the posses of my tests
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acegiak ALL RIGHT
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acegiak So you recieved a person tag from me, kevin marks?
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KevinMarks yes, you can see it on the bottom of my home page
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acegiak fuck yes!
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acegiak ok
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KevinMarks (with js on)
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Loqi darn!
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acegiak I am very hyped right now
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@acegiak Guys. I haven't fully tested yet but I think I am completely #indieweb SWAT0 compliant - https://acegiak.net/2016/03/22/21520/ https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/712192757415190528/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/712192757415190528)
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KevinMarks ooh
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acegiak :D
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KevinMarks I don't think anyone has been able to a.b or C before
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KevinMarks we had to pick roles carefully
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acegiak like I said, I haven't 100% tested the whole flow. there might be some weird salmon stuff
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acegiak s/salmon/salmention/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: like I said, I haven't 100% tested the whole flow. there might be some weird salmention stuff
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acegiak but all the pieces are there
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acegiak Fuck. I am so goddamned chuffed with myself
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acegiak gonna submit this PR to GWG and have some celebratory pre-dinner chocolate
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@d0gada Data -> #Cryptocurrency -> Data as new formula for independent #indieweb media. #WordCoin ideas (in Russian) https://dogada.org/dvd/text/data-cryptocurrency-data (twitter.com/_/status/712207555666309120)
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@cryptinsight Информация — Криптовалюта — Информация #Cryptocurrency #indieweb #WordCoin https://dogada.org/dvd/text/data-cryptocurrency-data (twitter.com/_/status/712207573034913793)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I think Ashton is the first person to be able to play all 3 roles in SWAT0 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/i-think-ashton-is-the-first-person-to-be-able
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@coect_net RT @d0gada Data -> #Cryptocurrency -> Data as new formula for independent #indieweb media. #WordCoin ideas (in Russian) https://dogada.org/dvd/text/data-cryptocurrency-data (twitter.com/_/status/712209236185518080)
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petermolnar browsing the web with lynx/links/links2 is an interesting experience
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petermolnar even the indieweb sites, with proper layout can be tricky
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barnabywalters wow, I have to change my response display code, more than 100 responses don’t get dislayed: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4gJKBB/
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barnabywalters never had that before!
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Loqi [Barnaby Walters] Event: Tanzimpro/Balfolk Workshop in Múltí Kúltí
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petermolnar wow, lots of old norse alphabet characters in names there :)
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@sl007 Place to be: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/710012095983656962 (twitter.com/_/status/712249225552261120)
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@jkphl RT @sl007 Place to be: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/710012095983656962 (twitter.com/_/status/712249753548038144)
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@sl007 @jkphl Even more excited ;) https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/712250099557076992)
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@jkphl .@sl007 With a little note: I was talking about the Nuremberg edition ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg But still, DUS will be great as well. :) (twitter.com/_/status/712250259297202177)
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@jkphl @jeena Heyho! Hättest du Lust, dich noch in die Gästeliste einzutragen? ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (twitter.com/_/status/712250658674634753)
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Jeena Btw. this week I can't host the IWC in GOT because I'm away with work
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acegiak Ah damnit. Still sometimes getting 503s when sending myself webmentions. I thought I managed to make WhisperFollow not do that by switching to easycurl
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jeena.net edited /2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+200) "/* Participants */ added Jeena" (view diff)
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myfreeweb oh damn http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2016%2F3%2F16%2F11%2F looks like i have to search 'children' when 'in-reply-to' is a url
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myfreeweb there's also a more complete h-card in children
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myfreeweb microformats are a bit too hard on the consuming side >_<
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@jancborchardt @jkphl @indiewebcamp damn, I’ll be somewhere on the Balkans with a bicycle then. @dragotin you should go to the Nuremberg one! :) (twitter.com/_/status/712260572742483968)
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@LukasRosenstock Have a #blog or #indieweb site on #Wordpress? Here's a guide on getting it ready for Facebook Instant Articles: https://blog.bufferapp.com/facebook-instant-articles-wordpress-plugin (twitter.com/_/status/712261307358187520)
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acegiak !tell benthatmustbeme hey, do you think that specifying your pronouns as "his lordship" might be read as making fun of people for whom pronouns are a serious issue?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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myfreeweb acegiak++ yeah that's totally weird
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Loqi acegiak has 27 karma
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myfreeweb my website actually displays pronouns btw
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acegiak Myfreeweb++
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Loqi Myfreeweb has 8 karma
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acegiak That's rad. 😊. I need to sleep now though. If you see me on later can you remind me to sub to you in WhisperFollow?
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myfreeweb oh time zones
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myfreeweb let's test salmentions later
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myfreeweb i think i've implemented them
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@jkphl @jancborchardt ;((( Absolutely, @dragotin! +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/712268517463236608)
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myfreeweb lolwtf, i have an access_token stored in all my posts from woodwind
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myfreeweb so it sends the token both in the Authorization header and the micropub POST form
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myfreeweb i'll filter this out, but wow that was unexpected
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myfreeweb damn, this is in the micropub spec o_0
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk new mf2-compact option to stream.thatmustbe.us (unlisted yet) http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=ben.thatmustbe.me&op=mf2-compact
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Twitter iOS "Mobile notifications" for "Mentions and photo tags" are useless for me
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tantek Their choices are:
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tantek "Mentions and photo tags" (on/off toggle)
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tantek if you turn it on you see two choices:
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tantek "Tailored for you" √
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tantek "From anyone"
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tantek obviously the latter is totally useless for me ( twitter.com/search/@t if you're curious)
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tantek so I've tried "Tailored for you" and every mention notification they've sent me has been a false positive, specifically, a totally predictable one that has occured due to *Twitter*-truncating someone's tweet that had an @-mention starting with @ t...
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tantek "Tailored for you" is a cop-out and anti-pattern IMO
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tantek it's unpredictable as a user, makes a user feel not in control
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tantek and sorry to say but no "algorithm" is smart enough to get "Tailored for you" right enough to be useful
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tantek for for anyone consider such AI / nonsense, don't
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 15 minutes ago: new mf2-compact option to stream.thatmustbe.us (unlisted yet) http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=ben.thatmustbe.me&op=mf2-compact http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458657646536
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: did you see myfreeweb's note about your markup?
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aaronpk myfreeweb: you shouldn't need to check "children" for the in-reply-to object, I've never seen that before. most peoples' website include the h-cite object as the value of the in-reply-to item
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme woops, i overdid it a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/3/16/10/&op=mf2-compact
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ben_thatmustbeme the top level item did that as well
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ben_thatmustbeme why would you need to check children for in-reply-to?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, jf2?
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aaronpk look at your markup
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aaronpk or the parsed version
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2016%2F3%2F16%2F11%2F
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aaronpk in-reply-to is a URL, and the actual h-cite is in the children
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@_FooCafe_ Beyond Twitter - is the title of our event with @voxpelli tomorrow evening. An Indieweb future of Social Media. http://www.foocafe.org/event/beyond-twitter-an-indieweb-future-for-social-media (twitter.com/_/status/712293320727404545)
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petermolnar tantek do a twitter bot for search @t, filter it to get rid of truncated @mentions and sell it to Twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme oh on MY site
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ben_thatmustbeme i have an in-reply-to in the properties of the item
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@voxpelli RT @_FooCafe_ Beyond Twitter - is the title of our event with @voxpelli tomorrow evening. An Indieweb future of Social Media. http://www.foocafe.org/event/beyond-twitter-an-indieweb-future-for-social-media (twitter.com/_/status/712293741067902976)
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tantek you should not need to check children for in-reply-to
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tantek that's a bug
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ben_thatmustbeme of the h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme you don't
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tantek it should be on the same element
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ben_thatmustbeme it is
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aaronpk the in-reply-to is just the URL
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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aaronpk but you also have the h-cite in the children
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tantek not for properties on the same element
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458650938218
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Loqi [myfreeweb] oh damn http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2016%2F3%2F16%2F11%2F looks like i have to search 'children' when 'in-reply-to' is a url...
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tantek hmm - I thought we solved this with class="u-in-reply-to h-cite"
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aaronpk we did
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tantek and the "u-" value coming from the URL of the embedded (not child) object
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aaronpk OMG instagram added multi account support
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myfreeweb yeah .u-in-reply-to.h-cite is what everyone expects now
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tantek they've had multi account support for a while
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ben_thatmustbeme OHHH, i see
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aaronpk wat. i'm out of touch with the cool kids i see.
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myfreeweb ben_thatmustbeme: also did you see acegiak's note about pronouns?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats because i have the URL only in the item
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ben_thatmustbeme the h-cites are before that in my the context
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ben_thatmustbeme "yeah .u-in-reply-to.h-cite is what everyone expects now" not sure thats true? i only look for a url anyway
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: my replies have had h-cite for a while, so for your code to work (it does) with reading my replies, it has to be parsing for that
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, but i reduce it to a URL
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ben_thatmustbeme it supports it, it doesn't expect and NEED it
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ben_thatmustbeme have just u-in-reply-to should be perfectly fine for anyone parsing my site
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myfreeweb it's "fine" but not good
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myfreeweb i guess no one has code that looks up that url in the children array
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myfreeweb so it displays just as a url
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aaronpk myfreeweb: the other option you have is to go fetch the URL and find microformats there
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ben_thatmustbeme for comments it may be quite useful, certainly, but since i'm the only one who does full context history (as far as i know) i don't see any use case for it
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aaronpk that way you can also show something nicer when you only have the URL available
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ben_thatmustbeme myfreeweb: good, they should be going to the source anyway
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myfreeweb but you have the h-cite already
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myfreeweb just not in the right place
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aaronpk you technically can't trust it since it's making a claim about content at a different domain
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myfreeweb aaronpk: oh, right
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myfreeweb i guess i should refetch comments propagated via salmention too then
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tantek right, you can use the h-cite as hints / prefetch cache kind of thing
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tantek !tell acegiak see /person-tag for combination of u-category and h-card inside h-entry
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell acegiak how are you POSSEing person-tags to Twitter?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek and who is going to attempt a SWAT0 demo with acegiak ?
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kylewm hmm, re: fetching the original for salmention, i'm not convicned it's worth it. if someone wants to spoof a comment from another URL, they can do it easily without salmentions
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tantek kylewm: I think the point is unintended spoofing like from a bug
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tantek like a bug that results in the wrong name/icon etc.
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kylewm ok
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tantek misparsing the URL
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myfreeweb i'm not sure how it's easy without salmention
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myfreeweb yeah you'll spoof a comment w/o salmention, but salmention will automatically propagate it if it doesn't refetch
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kylewm oh that's right, the other issue with that is bridgy
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aaronpk bridgy's whole job is spoofing comments :P
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kylewm most people set the u-url as twitter.com/... and when you fetch it you won't get mf2 markup
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myfreeweb but you should have a special twitter-to-mf2 parser
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kylewm aaronpk: right but it's problematic for salmentions if you try to do the "fetch original permalink" version
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk wow, the instagram push notifications even tell you which account they're from. Twitter never figured that out
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tantek Twitter has additional problems with push notifications :( (as noted earlier today - see logs)
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aaronpk hah yeah wow
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aaronpk i thought they had a "from friends" option too?
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tantek that's gone in Twitter for iOS
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk bad news
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tantek only in web UI - from followers
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tantek yeah
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tantek more bad news, IG "reader" view is switching to some sort of algorithm rather than just showing raw recent posts :(
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aaronpk oh yeah
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tommorris one issue I've been having with instagram recently is that people keep at-mentioning me even though they mean someone like "tommorris_" or something. the autocomplete for at-mentions doesn't seem to prioritise your friends over random people. so I keep getting tagged in all these rando photos by this group of teenagers
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ben_thatmustbeme i missed a note about pronouns
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ben_thatmustbeme acegiak, i missed that note about pronouns, you missed the _ in my nick
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry about that.
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ben_thatmustbeme its not meant to offend at all, but if i just use he/him/his i will not be able to identify when, if ever, it gets pulled in
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ben_thatmustbeme and I wanted something enjoyable when i saw it
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ben_thatmustbeme selecting other pronouns seemed like it could be interpretted as offensive
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j4y_funabashi what is SWAT0
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Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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aaronpk the more i think about it, the more i'm liking the idea of having a separate media endpoint for handling file uploads in micropub
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myfreeweb yeah
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myfreeweb i looked into some wysiwyg editors, they expect an upload endpoint
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myfreeweb also http://tus.io for resumable uploads
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myfreeweb aaronpk: another micropub thing: the spec now says you MUST accept the access token in the form body. i totally did not expect that
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myfreeweb i just parsed the whole form into an h-entry, and got an access token written to the entry on the disk
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aaronpk what client is this from?
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myfreeweb i guess PHP inspired you to do this, because $_POST everywhere :) but in other backend tools, the POST body might be handled at a different level than URL+headers
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myfreeweb woodwind did that
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myfreeweb it sends the token as both Authorization and in the POST form body
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aaronpk i think the main reason to support post body access tokens was for javascript clients, since they can't set the header
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myfreeweb but why body
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myfreeweb should be query string
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aaronpk no way! query string is worse cause it gets logged
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myfreeweb oh
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myfreeweb but js can set headers
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aaronpk it's actually from http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750#section-2
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aaronpk OAuth 2 bearer token usage
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myfreeweb famously, jQuery.ajax sets X-Requested-With: XMLHTTPRequest
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snarfed i'm putting together a list of bridgy beta users that we'll test new features and changes on first
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snarfed kylewm, aaronpk, tantek, KevinMarks, benwerd, i'm seeding it with you all. let me know if you don't want that
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snarfed everyone else, let me know if you want in!
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aaronpk fun!
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Loqi [indieweb] "I think Ashton is the first person to be able to play all 3 roles in SWAT0 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/i-think-ashton-is-the-first-person-to-be-able
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aaronpk IIRC kylewm sends the access token in both because some servers were only looking in one place
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aaronpk regardless, "access_token" is a reserved property so you should never be treating that as a property of the post content
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myfreeweb well, yeah, i fixed that
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myfreeweb but that was suprising
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kylewm aaronpk: yes that was the reason, though i think it is fixed now for the particular user who was having trouble with http headers
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aaronpk were there other reasons for using the post body?
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snarfed (the first bridgy beta tester change will be switching instagram from API to scraping. so, maybe not "fun," exactly...but something. :P)
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kylewm aaronpk: as opposed to?
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aaronpk header only
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kylewm nope
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kylewm it was header only for 95% of the life of woodwind
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aaronpk i feel like someone else was having trouble with the header, can't remember who, and can't remember whether it was sending or receiving
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aaronpk i mean if everyone can handle sending and receiving the token in the header, then we should really just say that's the only way to do it, since it makes it more likely to have interoperable clients and servers
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kylewm oh ifttt was a good reason to support sending it in the body
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kylewm is that what you were thinking of?
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk i use that!
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kylewm also nice for simple HTML forms?
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aaronpk in theory yeah, although i haven't seen a demonstrated use case for that
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kylewm ah right, probably because of CORS where you can't reliably POST to someone else's domain
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j4y_funabashi yeah I was glad for that rule when I built my photo posting form, tis nice to be able to put the token as a form field rather than have an intermediate script just to set a header
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KevinMarks I think it is useful to keep the token in post body, but the spec should explicitly say to strip it out
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KevinMarks tantek: re twitter's "tailored for you" - I disagree strongly. They need to be much smarter about sending notifications in @ replies, ratehr thna blindly spamming you with all of them, so that option needs to remain. It could be more transparent about what it does, yes, but for twitter to solve the harassent problem it needs some kind of vouch-like or content filter on notifications
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@timweston Quick poll for web developers who use Macs: what code editor do you use? #webdev #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/712343393356136448)
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GWG feel this has been a productive WordPress Indieweb week
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snarfed ooh GWG if you're on a WP roll then you might be up for investigating https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this/issues/8 !
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aaronpk I would love to read a summary of that! I haven't been following too closely. would make a great post for this-week
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GWG snarfed, I don't use Press This.
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snarfed i know. just sounded like you had some momentum!
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GWG I do. I did a bunch of fixes on Post Kinds.
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GWG I want to finish the work on the Indieweb plugin so I can self dogfood it
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tantek GWG++ great!
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KevinMarks Did you see acegiak got sending and receiving person tags working?
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Loqi GWG has 150 karma
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tantek Kevinmarks - excited about that - hoping to see it on the wiki!
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tantek !tell acegiak heard you got sending and receiving person-tags working! Could you add yourself with permalinks to posts both publishing and receiving / showing person-tags to: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG That was part of my feeling it had been productive
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GWG acegiak uses my code more than I do.
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KevinMarks with WhisperFollow she's got the integrated reader too
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GWG We all move the needle along
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Loqi [indieweb] "Well done!" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/well-done
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GWG When is the next HWC?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2016-03-23 at 68 Middle Street https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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GWG Okay, not by then
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GWG I want to have a new Indieweb plugin up before someone shows up wanting a one click solution.
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j4y.co moved /User:J4y.co to /User:J4y_funabashi
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aaronpk i ... didn't even realize you could move user pages
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j4y_funabashi Im confused, what is the diff between {{blah}} and [[blah
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j4y_funabashi [[blah]]
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j4y_funabashi on the wiki
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aaronpk [[ ]] is used to link to a page
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aaronpk {{ }} is a template
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aaronpk so using {{ }} within a page will include the template contents in the page
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j4y_funabashi ahh ok, cheers aaronpk , havent really used wiki syntax before
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: I got confused because everyone else seems to use {{username}} to link to their user page, hence the page rename
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aaronpk ah no those are separate pages
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:aaronpk
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: thanks for your help!
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gRegorLove j4y_funabashi: See https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:sparkline if you'd like to set up one of those wiki signature sparklines.
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j4y_funabashi gRegorLove: thank you, I can see myself becoming a wiki gardener this weekend :)
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gRegorLove That's really cool with the RasPi btw
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gRegorLove j4y_funabashi++
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Loqi j4y_funabashi has 1 karma
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aaronpk my first website was hosted on a 75mhz Pentium running Windows sitting in a closet at home
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aaronpk kind of crazy that the raspberry pi is smaller than the floppy drive of that computer and like 100x more powerful
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gRegorLove Heh
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j4y_funabashi haha yeah I know! 4 cores for ~£30
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j4y_funabashi I am still a little scared about opening ports on my router but it seems to be ok so far, any security tips?
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aaronpk just make sure you do normal system updates and such. if you're only opening port 80 i wouldn't be too worried
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aaronpk it only starts getting scary when you're exposing other services that are easier to hack, like samba or mysql and stuff.
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aaronpk bear might have some more tips tho
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bear reads
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aaronpk short version: hosting a web server at home on a raspberry pi, forwarding port 80 from the router to the pi
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: yeah ok, opening up ssh would be nice for rsync and irc (similar to your setup) but that is the scary one
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bear ah, if your home router supports a DMZ then put the raspberrypi in it
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bear and run iptables on the pi
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aaronpk i have SSH open too, but it's not really different from opening SSH on a VPS
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bear having it behind your normal router, with iptables only allowing 80 and SSH is not a bad thing
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bear and then port forward 80 and SSH to it
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aaronpk i have my home server on my main home network because i often want to do ssh tunneling to other stuff at home
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j4y_funabashi I have read that having ssh listen on a diff port is a good idea?
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bear yes, that's why I used SSH and not 22 - was just typing that
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bear to use something other than 22
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aaronpk yeah you avoid the brute force attacks by running it on something other than 22. if you have it on 22 and watch your logs you'll see all sorts of fun SSH attempts all day long
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singpolyma yay fail2ban!
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Loqi :D
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@dougmckown Is it possible to import @Medium posts into another blogging platform? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/712375039887339521)
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bear fail2ban++
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Loqi fail2ban has 1 karma
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kylewm That send like
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kylewm Oops
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j4y_funabashi bear: ok, I think my router supports DMZ, what does that do?
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bear it isolates the traffic going to that IP
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bear to be honest, unless your comforatable with setting up iptables - I would just use port forwarding
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bear because in the dmz all traffic is routed to the IP without any filtering
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bear hmm, I should order a pi and do some test setups
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j4y_funabashi yeah I have *heard* of iptables but never used it
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bear then avoid it for now and use port forwarding
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j4y_funabashi on my VPS I used ufw, is that similar?
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bear yes, ufw, iptables, pfsense -- all software firewalls
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j4y_funabashi ok cool, so firewall only allows access on certain ports and DMZ stops that box from talking to any other box?
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bear a DMZ is just a way of saying that your home router will consider that server to be an external server
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bear so all traffic headed to it will be unfiltered by the router's firewall
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bear [home network] <--> [router] <--> [dmz] <------ internet
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bear hmm, that looks funny being linear
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j4y_funabashi ahhh ok, yeah I think I will stick with port forwarding in that case, thank you for the help!
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bear yvw
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j4y_funabashi bear: would definitely reccomend buying one, I have 3, 2 of which are pictured here -> http://j4y.co/p/20160101184806_56db67fec5013
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Loqi 2016-01-01
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tantek hmm I didn't get around to adding this week's HWC meetups to the Mozilla weekly project meeting agenda: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2016-03-21
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tantek looks like I need someone to help be a backup for me here
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tantek anyone can create an account on the Mozilla wiki - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ - my account certainly predates my professional relationship with Mozilla
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tantek can I get some volunteers to help? at least start with creating your own wiki accounts on https://wiki.mozilla.org/ so you can edit pages?
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KevinMarks this is very interesting on Ember becoming a server-side library http://adactio.com/links/10405
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Introduction to Ember FastBoot by Tom Dale on Vimeo
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kylewm tantek: I requested a mozilla wiki account. First account registration that has asked for a resume!
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kylewm hmm, 'Could not copy file "/tmp/php0HzEgo" to "c/c1/c15/c152934358d6706b9f8779fe5af3a2eb8d3a2fac.pdf".'
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aaronpk write permissions fail?
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kylewm apparently, I will just do it without the resume
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kylewm KevinMarks: are you coming to homebrew tomorrow?
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KevinMarks yes
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KevinMarks did I not ack?
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KevinMarks repetitive tweet is repetitive: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/712390371964166144
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@kevinmarks Yes: I'm going to homebrew website club in SF tomorrow: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/yes-im-going-to-homebrew-website-club-in-sf-tomorrow (twitter.com/_/status/712390371964166144)
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KevinMarks foͫrͥmͨaͬtͦs
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acegiak Morning, all
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 29 minutes ago: see /person-tag for combination of u-category and h-card inside h-entry http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458660550007
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 28 minutes ago: how are you POSSEing person-tags to Twitter? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458660599893
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Loqi acegiak: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 55 minutes ago: heard you got sending and receiving person-tags working! Could you add yourself with permalinks to posts both publishing and receiving / showing person-tags to: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#IndieWeb_Examples ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-22/line/1458673370800
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KevinMarks hi - did my person tag come though?
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gRegorLove Twitter's advanced search "match this phrase exactly" still uses periods as regex "any single character" it appears.
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/well-done
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Well done!
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KevinMarks whitespace--
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Loqi whitespace has -1 karma
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aaronpk get that whitespace out of the markup!
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aaronpk i should make loqi collapse it too, but still
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Loqi it is probable
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gRegorLove 1 min read, lulz
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KevinMarks even if you do html-aware parsing there are <p> in it <p class=\"reading\">\n<span class=\"vague\">1 min read </span>\n</p>\n<p>
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gregorlove.com edited /Timehop (+15) "clarify mobile app, Features section" (view diff)
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KevinMarks which isn't really right
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KevinMarks should the content include the name?
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gRegorLove Anyone use Timehop?
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dougmckown Does anyone know if it's possible to import Medium posts into another blogging platform?
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gRegorLove I'm interested in documenting the features, but not sure I want to install it and give it access to Contacts and SMS on my phone
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KevinMarks there is an html export, but it did odd things to links last time I checekd
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gRegorLove I think that's on /Medium
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KevinMarks what is medium?
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miklb dougmckown not sure, but if there's an RSS feed from Medium, should be able to at least import into WordPress
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Loqi Medium is an article hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium
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KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium#Exporting_your_data
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dougmckown @kevinmarks Thanks, I know how to export, but am not sure that to do with the exported posts.
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gRegorLove What's your target blogging platform?
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gRegorLove If the export is just HTML, it would probably be difficult to auto import to another CMS and maintain date-published order.
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KevinMarks yep, still broken html exported
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dougmckown Not sure yet. I'm just wondering what the options are. Medium appears to export into HTML.
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gRegorLove Most CMS will have some sort of import, but it varies quite a bit.
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gRegorLove I think WordPress built-in import uses XML (import from other WordPress export files), and I'm sure there's a variety of third party plugins.
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dougmckown Okay, thanks all! I hoped someone had built a Medium-to-some-other-CMS tool.
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dougmckown If the export were XML, then we could import into almost anything, I guess.
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aaronpk if only it were that simple
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gRegorLove Not that I'm aware of, sorry. You might poke around /projects for ideas.
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miklb seems there is a RSS feed for authors on Medium. Definitely could import that into WordPress, then export to what ever you decide on. I'm sure there is a plugin to export markdown
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KevinMarks the feed is only exceprts
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miklb ick
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miklb strike that thought then :-(
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gRegorLove feedexcerpts--
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Loqi feedexcerpts has -1 karma
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dougmckown Any Known Pro users here?
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miklb then could probably use a html->markdown parser?
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sknebel mh, one would have to try to wrangle the exported data or a scrape of the medium blog into something easier to digest
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Ffeed%2F%40kevinmarks
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gRegorLove " Medium’s export no longer works with the standard import process for WordPress. As soon as we find another solution we’ll update the post immediately." https://upthemes.com/blog/2014/11/medium-to-wordpress/
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sknebel found this to get markdown: https://github.com/markbiek/Medium-To-Markdown
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miklb markdown++
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Loqi markdown has 0 karma
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gRegorLove haha
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miklb lol
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KevinMarks medium seems to have a write api but not a read one
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dougmckown @sknebel, thanks for the link, but I assume that tool is one-post-at-a-time, correct?
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sknebel seems so
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sknebel could feed it from the rss feed or something
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dougmckown Thanks, all! Cheers!
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KevinMarks so you could down;load them, but you'd need to put them through some parsing to fix the broken links and things
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KevinMarks so scraping directly may be better
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/712403179833430016
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@kevinmarks @majelbstoat is the medium API write only? There's no docs on fetching posts, only creating them. (twitter.com/_/status/712403179833430016)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/majelbstoat/status/712403836925640704
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@majelbstoat @kevinmarks For the time being, yes. Going to approach that thoughtfully, recognising that lots of APIs have given and then taken away. (twitter.com/_/status/712403836925640704)
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gRegorLove !tell shaners http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2010/11/7/1/no-more-sharecropping appears to be 404 and I can't seem to find it in your site search. Is there a current URL for that?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gRegorLove !tell shaners Nvm, found it: http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2010/11/07/no-more-sharecropping
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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sknebel found one of the 410d articles on archive.is -> should I link the archived version next to it?
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gRegorLove I'm not sure, since 410 is (should be?) a deliberate deletion
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sknebel that's why i'm asking
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sknebel probably not then
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KevinMarks linked from what?
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sknebel https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium#Other
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sknebel reading it, I don't think the article is that important to the argument. so no
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/deray/status/711960188618727424
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@deray Twitter is home. Facebook is grandma's house. Snapchat is your best friend's house. Tumblr is the lunch room. Instagram is 24/7 prom. (twitter.com/_/status/711960188618727424)
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aaronpk Slack is _____? Your website is _____?
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kylewm https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/712341186363596800
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@shanselman Slack is a persistent firehose of a meeting that never ends...why is this better? (twitter.com/_/status/712341186363596800)
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acegiak kevinmarks: Did recieve your person-tag once my machine calmed down and stopped 503ing webmentions
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/about-acegiak/
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KevinMarks ah, that's a clever place to put them
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acegiak trying to work out why tino's comment didn't propagate through
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KevinMarks would I need to re-webmention?
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KevinMarks getting salmentions to you before involved a manual webmention
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acegiak let me try that myself
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acegiak I think I need to resolve this 503 thing first