#indiewebcamp 2016-01-25

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@jgmac1106 Thank you to everyone who was at #indieweb campnyc and let me tag along remotely on Friday. Learned a ton from some great people. (twitter.com/_/status/691411487349411840)
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@infopeep Mark Matienzo: IndieWebCamp NYC 2016 http://matienzo.org/blog/2016/indiewebcamp-nyc-2016/ (twitter.com/_/status/691417759897382912)
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aaronpk i think everything is set up for indiewebcat's site!
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aaronpk webmentions are being sent from telegraph, and received through webmention.io
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aaronpk my short URLs got even shorter
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aaronpk i'm tired. I don't think I'm gonna last long enough tonight to launch my new site
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bear launching while tired and not having time for glitches ... yea, get some sleep :)
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aaronpk there's a whole list of stuff I have to do after I launch too, like replacing tokens in cron jobs, upgrading my iOS client to send location to the new system
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aaronpk probably good to let indiewebcat.com settle in for a day and I can see if anything breaks
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bear canary projects are very useful for that
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bear I keep a testing domain active with all the moving parts for my stuff
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aaronpk i have a full copy of my own site on my laptop but it's always a little different when it's actually deployed for reals, with things like bridgy and micropub clients using it
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GWG I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one noticing that
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bear yep
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bear it's been an odd couple of weeks since I started supporting micropub create as that means my laptop doesn't have a full copy if I post a quick note
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk that's why I like the filesystem as the primary storage, so that I can just rsync between the servers
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bear same, I (now) have a rsync cronjob on my laptop :)
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aaronpk nice
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bear which is then backed up using the mac timemachine tool; archived to a tarball and shipped to s3 and also a small server in the basement
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GWG I feel I did not accomplish enough Indieweb this weekend.
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GWG I shall have to make up for this by making it a very Indieweb week
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bear you were helping run the event, not a lot of time for yourself when doing that
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bear gwg++
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Loqi gwg has 142 karma
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aaronpk yes that is always a challenge when running the event!
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aaronpk OH YAY bridgy is working
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk I am glad I didn't confuse it terribly with all the new URLs
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bear :)
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GWG What do you think about an Indieweb Streaming Kit?
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aaronpk that sounds fun
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GWG WordPress does that for WordCamps. You can ask them to mail you a kit to record the lectures.
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aaronpk whoa neat
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aaronpk https://plan.wordcamp.org/video/foundation-camera-kit/
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GWG Except I really wish we'd give up on talky. The quality was really bad this weekend. I couldn't hear anything.
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aaronpk the talky was good during the demos, but i had to put it on its own computer. my computer couldn't keep up with the speed i was switching between browsers and code plus also running talky
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GWG Is there a talky alternative we can play with?
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GWG Youtube over Hangouts on Air worked very nicely, and it saves it for future and download
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GWG But to go above that, I need more equipment
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aaronpk the challenge is always the two-way link
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aaronpk there are plenty of solutions for broadcasting the event one-way
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aaronpk we could probably do well with a chromebook, the logitech camera, and the bluetooth conference mic
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aaronpk heh it's actually basically what google sells as their small business package https://www.google.com/work/chrome/devices/for-meetings/
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@indiewebcamp RT @jcn Nice and cozy at @indiewebcamp NYC yesterday. http:///photo.gne?rb=1 https://twitter.com/jcn/status/691397596951244800/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691451298315681792)
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GWG aaronpk: I used a Chromebook, a Logitech camera, and a boundary microphone on Friday. You were pleased
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GWG I recommend against a bluetooth conference microphone. Go for USB or in my case, XLR to USB
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@davidmead .@davewiner posted an interesting piece not too long ago. About encouraging a friend to post... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/01/24/is-the-openwebindieweb-still-for-anoraks/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/691473817768570880)
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@t #IndieWebCamp NYC day 3, early & later participants. So proud of everyone here making… (http://tantek.com/2016/024/t7/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-3) https://twitter.com/t/status/691485906121822209/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691485906121822209)
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@magirtiko #Webmention: #HTML diventa #social http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/691499126119387136)
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@LillianEdmiston RT https://twitter.com/magirtiko/status/691499126119387136 #Webmention: #HTML diventa #social http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/691499973674995713)
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strugee who runs indiewebcamp.com?
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strugee whoever it is (aaronpk? tantek?), can you start issuing HTTP -> HTTPS permanent redirects?
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strugee thanks <3
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@georgkaser Is with #Twitter another service going to die? We need more #IndieWeb initiatives for saving our data. Use .. http://geor.gs/2016/is-with-twitter-another-service-going-to-die-we-need (twitter.com/_/status/691575101138018304)
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tantek thanks adactio !
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tantek great - we have 5 cities for this week's Homebrew Website Club!
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[aaronpk] strugee: why?
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[aaronpk] I can't turn on the redirect until I have a solution for all our non-HTTPS hot linked images
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cweiske is there a way to find them?
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cweiske those non-https images?
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[aaronpk] Even if so, we can't be sure there is an HTTPS version available
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[aaronpk] I'm trying to find a mediawiki filter that I can use to rewrite the img link but haven't quite got it yet
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[aaronpk] I have one that can catch most images, but it misses the ones in templates
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[aaronpk] I'm like this close to hacking up mediawiki core to do it
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brandonrozek tantek: Where can I find the Owark plugin?
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tantek hmm - thought the wiki linked to it
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tantek I'll double-check
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tantek http://owark.org/
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tantek keeps looking for a download
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brandonrozek Found it. http://owark.org/trac/
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tantek cool - we should make that easier to find
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tantek What is Owark?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Owark" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CM
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tantek Owark is a WordPress Plugin for automatically archiving links in your posts. See http://owark.org/ and download at http://owark.org/trac/
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Loqi ok
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tantek it is a bit concerning that their site has not been updated since ~2011, and their Twitter since 2012
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brandonrozek I'm trying to clone into the repository but it's asking me for a password
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tantek *into*? not just from?
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brandonrozek oh sorry, yeah i am currently at step 3 "Run (git clone gitosis@owark.org:owark) "
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brandonrozek The site has a warning at the top saying "Can't synchronize wiht repository "(default)" (GIT backend not available)
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tantek looks the key dev @evlist is still active on Twitter - perhaps reach out to him?
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brandonrozek Alright, I'll keep you guys/gals updated on his response
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tantek thanks brandonrozek. good luck!
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aaronpk I'm gonna need a tweetable definition of Micropub
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bear xmlrpc that doesn't suck?
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aaronpk i've been using wakatime for the past week or so, and now i'm really tempted to publish some of these stats
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aaronpk it tracks how long I spend on each project in my text editor
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aaronpk and also shows breakdowns per programming language
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aaronpk does Known support Micropub natively now?
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strugee aaronpk: ah, gotcha. didn't know you had Mixed Content problems.
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strugee mostly the reason is to avoid leaking sessions, but also because everything should be on TLS
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aaronpk well I already made the cookie https only
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aaronpk which of course makes everyone think they get logged out all the time
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aaronpk now that my site is aaaaalmost live, i'm about ready to start working on a micropub client that can actually edit posts
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aaronpk I'm kind of tempted to try a version of editing using jsonpatch http://jsonpatch.com/
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aaronpk someone needs to learn how to use the "preview" button
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bear and the "minor change" checkbox ;)
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miklb saw the simple html file for getting started this weekend. Would there be any interest in a basic Jekyll site that had microformats baked in & ability to fill out h-card via the config file?
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bear interest or not miklb - I think if you are using it as your own project and have it listed in the projects wiki page then people will discover it
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bear what is projects
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Loqi These are projects you can use to get your site on the IndieWeb and improve your IndieWeb support https://indiewebcamp.com/projects
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anarchivist miklb: i'd be interested, at least for the sake of inspiration
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miklb bear: I know when I googled it, I didn't find any out there (save one abandoned project that never actually made it indieweb friendly), but didn't know if there might be a reason for that
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miklb I planned on rewriting my site, and it wouldn't be difficult to build a base framework that others could use as a foundation as well. Thanks for the feedback
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GWG Afternoon.
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bear afternoon GWG
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gRegorLove Hi, GWG. How was IWC?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message on 1/21 at 5:56pm: hey thanks for starting the /2016 pages! What do you think of the updates I made to the "Guest List" header text for SF and most recently NYC? Been trying to make it friendlier / more diverse creative inclusive https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Guest_List http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453427786331
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GWG Hello, bear. What's itching you?
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Loqi gRegorLove: [shaners] left you a message on 1/21 at 8:52pm: I’m not sure what you mean. Can you screenshot it for me next time you see it please? I think it’s just the little Instagram embed thingy. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453438373002
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bear right now snow :)
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GWG gRegorLove, great. I was unable to get out of my house on Saturday and Sunday.
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GWG But Friday was great. There is video.
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gRegorLove That doesn't sound like snow, if it's itching. :)
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GWG I figured I'd update my usual Indieweb activity query.
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voxpelli miklb: sounds like a good idea, I'm planning on extracting my Jekyll templates into something reusable that can be used with my GitHub Micropub endpoint
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GWG I am stalled on a UI design issue with location and venue support.
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miklb voxpelli: I'd be interested in learning more about your endpoint
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miklb and if you have something started, I'd be happy to contribute vs separate project
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GWG I am classifying a venue as a saved location. By doing that, I create additional problems.
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voxpelli miklb: check https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express and eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPmSpD2jN4
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voxpelli miklb: as well as eg. https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/tree/master/_includes
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voxpelli I still have to wrap it all up for others to be able to use it easily, but some freelance work has gotten in the way in the last 3 months
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miklb voxpelli: Now I'm very interested because Jekyll/Workflow/iOS is one of the primary reasons I chose Jekyll. Still hammering out webmentions (among many other wants) but that kind of thing is my end goal
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voxpelli miklb: cool :) For webmentions I did: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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gRegorLove !tell shaners http://gregorlove.com/2016/01/veganstraightedge-this-is-the-css/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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miklb voxpelli: receiving mentions hasn't been an issue with webmention.io, it's the sending I'm having trouble with. Currently using a Jekyll plugin for webmention.io that in a perfect world sends them, but I'm still sure it's working due to my currently convoluted deploy method
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miklb s/still sure/still not sure/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: voxpelli: receiving mentions hasn't been an issue with webmention.io, it's the sending I'm having trouble with. Currently using a Jekyll plugin for webmention.io that in a perfect world sends them, but I'm still not sure it's working due to my currently convoluted deploy method
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voxpelli miklb: sending is still an issue of mine as well – been thinking about building something feed-based myself, but may be that Telegraph solves it well enough
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miklb voxpelli: have you documented your Workflows anywhere?
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snarfed voxpelli: miklb: you may be interested in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/420
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voxpelli miklb: haven't written an overview of it all yet as there's still some work to do – my profile page is probably the best one so far: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se
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voxpelli miklb: I am writing on a blog post that's summarizing my indieweb work during 2015 so keep an eye on http://voxpelli.com/
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miklb voxpelli: subscribed to your feed!
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Zegnat !tell brandonrozek There was a typo on the Owark Trac keeping you from cloning. I reached out to Eric and he fixed it. If you still have problems cloning from http://owark.org/trac/ I have made a copy at https://github.com/Zegnat/owark
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Marlanamgcp RT @anarchivist OH "HTTPRange-14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/691730498180243456)
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[shaners] Loqi, playback.
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Loqi [shaners]: gRegorLove left you a message 1 hour, 19 minutes ago: http://gregorlove.com/2016/01/veganstraightedge-this-is-the-css/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-25/line/1453752105853
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Loqi dude
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[shaners] Thanks!
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[shaners] !tell gRegorLove kylewm: is this possibly a Woodwind bug? I’m just using the Instagram’s embed code as is. (Click the … button to see it.) https://www.instagram.com/p/BAmJugRMnhs
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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brandonrozek !tell Zegnat Thanks!
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Loqi brandonrozek: Zegnat left you a message 1 hour, 22 minutes ago: There was a typo on the Owark Trac keeping you from cloning. I reached out to Eric and he fixed it. If you still have problems cloning from http://owark.org/trac/ I have made a copy at https://github.com/Zegnat/owark http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-25/line/1453752823849
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat No problem! I had never heard about Owark, but I really like the concept of it
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Zegnat Glad to look into it
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@StartApp_sk Webmention - #W3C First Public Working Draft https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/691739076588761088)
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gRegorLove [shaners]: Don't think so. I think the embedded <style> is converted to plaintext by mf2 parsers
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Loqi gRegorLove: [shaners] left you a message 30 minutes ago: kylewm: is this possibly a Woodwind bug? I’m just using the Instagram’s embed code as is. (Click the … button to see it.) https://www.instagram.com/p/BAmJugRMnhs http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-25/line/1453756995426
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gRegorLove Yeah, see the 'name' in http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fveganstraightedge.com%2Fnotes%2F2016%2F01%2F16%2Ftonight-s-dinner-tacocleanse-beverly-hills-c
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gRegorLove May be unavoidable using ig embed
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aaronpk that seems like something the parser should handle
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miklb What is Woodwind?
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Loqi Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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gRegorLove Good point
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[shaners] Yeah. That doesn’t seem like the Right Behavior™.
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gRegorLove Commented in #microformats
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[shaners] Hmm. Maybe it’s because I have .p-name surrounding all of my content which includes the embed.
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gRegorLove Yeah, it's the "correct" parsing behavior per http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_p-_property, but <style> should probably be removed as an earlier step in the parsing.
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[shaners] Seems legit.
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@Nadreck @christi3k My vote would be "No", but I don't use Medium and am biased towards indieweb, so grain of salt liberally applied. (twitter.com/_/status/691753435486621696)
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