#indiewebcamp 2016-01-23

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Loqi [bridgy] Dennis Crowley replied '@kevinmarks Ah thx, but already in Kingston for wkd!' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (https://twitter.com/dens/status/690685708609163264)
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GWG aaronpk, I would love any cycle of HWC
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veganstraightedge.com edited /GitHub (-8) "fix broken image url" (view diff)
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KevinMarks I missed last week
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@erlend_sh @wptavern what is @WordPress & @photomatt's take on Webmentions I wonder. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/690705613848969216)
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codemonkey @tantek I don't know if @snarfed or @aaronpk has approached you about this yet, but I was wondering if you had an opinion on a recent issue we ran into. I use brid.gy to publish webmentions and pull back responses. Unfortunately recently tumblr has implemented a redirect url to all outgoing links on the html version of the post. This is a problem when sending a webmention, as it makes it difficult for the receiving webmention endpoint to verify
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codemonkey Further complicating things is the redirect is done using javascript instead of an HTTP header. I was wondering if you had any ideas or opinions on this. Here's a link to the github issue and the conversation that followed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/609
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@INC_says Hopefully something entertaining on the INC ch. #Inc_says #indie #indiefilm #indieweb 📹📸🎥📽 https://twitter.com/rokuplayer/status/690708070335397888 (twitter.com/_/status/690715105701396480)
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@codemonkey @t I posted a question on the IndieWeb IRC channel for you, whenever you can get to it. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-22#t1453513959276 (twitter.com/_/status/690715951176626176)
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aaronpk wow i'm gonna be sending a lot of webmentions once i turn this on
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aaronpk it will be launching with salmention sending support
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aaronpk i'm actually blacklisting twitter.com and facebook.com and will never attempt to send webmentions there just to save a few cycles
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GWG Someone just asked WP Tavern's opinion on webmentions. I already know their editor's opinion without asking.
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acegiak anyone know much about matrix.org or buddycloud? I'm wondering what IM I should set up when I redo my server
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 15 hours, 24 minutes ago: Github or here, whichever works for you. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-22/line/1453460536756
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GWG Never heard of them
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aaronpk i've played with matrix.org a little bit. someone wrote a plugin that posts to a micropub server from matrix too
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aaronpk they're nice
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acegiak I'll admit I don't quite get the model behind matrix.org and I don't really understand what buddycloud even is
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GWG I use bitlbee myself for IM.
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bear buddycloud is a forum/discussion platform built on xmpp
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bear very web centric
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KartikPrabhu loqi: messages?
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Loqi woot!
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@tinokremer Insightful piece about the open Web and the continues quest of the Silo's to such the life out of it: http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/22/0919.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690805918724968448)
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@fourtonfish RT @t Great IndieWebCamp NYC day1! #TheRealBasics #Webmention #LetsEncrypt #DeviceData Portability #Checkins Notes: http://tantek.com/2016/022/t1/great-indiewebcamp-day-1-notes (twitter.com/_/status/690882460268281856)
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@seralf Webmention: HTML diventa social - http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ #web #rel #webmention #networks #graphs #pingback #socialnetworks #linkeddata (twitter.com/_/status/690884060634284032)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (-44) "new instructions for getting into the building" (view diff)
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GWG Couldn't get out of my neighborhood this morning. Going to have to attend remotely.
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tantek Hey LaraFZ !
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LaraFZ Hey!
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tantek have you heard from Jay?
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (-73) "move bear to remote" (view diff)
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LaraFZ yes
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LaraFZ he is ready to go in
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tantek great
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sknebel Is there a way to exclude identity sources from RelMeAuth/IndieAuth?
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anarchivist i'm probably not coming in today because of the wind more than anything
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@fourtonfish Joining the team #indieweb! https://fourtonfish.com/blog/2016-01-23-hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/690898726420803584)
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GWG Working on venues/location code
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek we are live on talky.io/indiewebcamp
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tantek three of us here in the office so far!
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LaraFZ Does anyone know if there is a way to demo withknown
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LaraFZ without having to purchase the software first
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LaraFZ just to try out
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LaraFZ I don't know if I'd like to use webpress or withknown or squarespace as my blog host
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@devleakslinks The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690912389349392384)
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LaraFZ who is loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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LaraFZ what is tantek-ing
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek-ing
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LaraFZ what is the indieweb?
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Loqi The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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LaraFZ what is https?
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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LaraFZ what is Apache?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Apache
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LaraFZ https://hipstersgo.wordpress.com/
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LaraFZ the beginning!
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tantek we're up to 6 here at MozNYC!
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tantek what is Apache?
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Loqi Apache is widely deployed open source web server software https://indiewebcamp.com/Apache
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Sebsel LaraFZ: (y)
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GWG Sorry I can't get there in person
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GWG I should get my camera rehooked.
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Loqi yea
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Sebsel Yeah, due to timezones and family business I'm not really able to participate today. But I've been working on my site today! Hope that counts...
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tommorris Just found this: https://www.webhost.al/domain-hacks-100-sites-using-unusual-top-level-domains.html
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tantek GWG, we're on talky io indiewebcamp!
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GWG I know. II need to get my camera rehooked. I may have to switch it to a different computer.
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GWG Be with you in that manner shortly.
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GWG Really am sorry I couldn't get there. Couldn't get off my street really.
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rabbit.withknown.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+157) "/* RSVPs */" (view diff)
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sandro hi Loqi
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sandro Loqi, how do I found out if you have any messages for me?
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Loqi dude
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sandro thanks, Loqi, at least I know where I stand with you.
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+455) "/* Upcoming */ adding dotCloud with Maciej's hilarious commentary" (view diff)
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@t #IndieWebCamp NYC day 2 is on! #blizzard2016 Contact us on IRC or info on door sign! (http://tantek.com/2016/023/t1/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-2-on-blizzard2016) https://twitter.com/t/status/690924573232013312/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/690924573232013312)
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tommorris.org edited /HTTPS (+382) "/* Why */ adding HTTPS" (view diff)
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@BrendanEich RT @t #IndieWebCamp NYC day 2 is on! #blizzard2016 Contact us on IRC or info on door sign! (http://tantek.com/2016/023/t1/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-2-on-blizzard2016) https://twitter.com/t/status/690924573232013312/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/690927145384677376)
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@html_it Webmention: HTML diventa social: Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Edit (twitter.com/_/status/690927913978298369)
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tommorris sandro: Loqi will send you a message when you de-lurk (i.e. post a message)
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freescholar Hello World!
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tommorris hey freescholar
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GWG Okay, settling in
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GWG Got myself something to eat.
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freescholar tommorris: hello - this is getting more exciting by the minute!!!
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GWG Back to venueing
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@agaric IndieWebCamp NY- Livestreaming is up! https://www.youtube.com/ Get involved, connect with those you share a vision with, using free software. (twitter.com/_/status/690930713537945605)
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tantek who is agaric?
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tommorris "Agaric Cooperative does web development using free software, for people who do things."
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freescholar tantek: hi
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codemonkey I wouldn't suggest tumblr if you are wanting to use brid.gy to send webmentions.
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tantek hi freescholar !
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tantek hmm - we're not livestreaming from youtube today
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aaronpk oops should probably fix the topic
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anarchivist tantek: can you tell LaraFZ that there is a way to test Known w/o signing up for a paid account? https://withknown.com/new/
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anarchivist tantek: i had trouble finding it on withknown.com yesterday, and only discovered it *after* i'd signed up for a paid account. :(
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freescholar tantek: I am looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDR5TvJuNE8&feature=youtu.be
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anarchivist freescholar: that was from yesterday
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freescholar anarchivist: Thanks - it is great info. and they look so live *lol
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anarchivist freescholar: they were live ... once :)
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aaronpk Welcome! Next meetups: IndieWebCamp NYC 1/22-23! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC and Homebrew Website Club Brighton, Göteborg, LA, Portland, & SF https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club. See code of conduct: https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct and logs: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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freescholar anarchivist: *LOL
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk that's what I meant to do
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tommorris http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/117889701472/emojineering-part-1-machine-learning-for-emoji
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snarfed aaronpk (and others): re skipping webmentions to twitter/facebook/etc, feel free to borrow https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/domain_blacklist.txt
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freescholar IndieWebCamp will be at the heart of this movement to build cooperative platforms owned by us - https://www.goethe.de/ins/us/en/sta/ney/ver.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&event_id=20682385
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snarfed we're pretty confident in it, and we generally keep it up to date
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aaronpk ha!
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aaronpk those are the domains you never attempt to send webmentions to?
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snarfed yup
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@agaric @USFWC @democracynow IndieWebCamp will be at the heart of this movement to build cooperative platforms owned by us - https://www.goethe.de/ins/us/en/sta/ney/ver.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&event_id=20682385 (twitter.com/_/status/690936443850657793)
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aaronpk hopefully that will change once more sites support webmention :)
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snarfed definitely!
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LaraFZ Thank you @aaronpk !!!!
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aaronpk what'd I do?
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snarfed lol
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LaraFZ I'm confused today
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LaraFZ it's the snowstorm
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LaraFZ than you anarchivist, is what I really meant!
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LaraFZ and thanks aaron for founding the indie web mouvement
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anarchivist LaraFZ: np
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aaronpk :)
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freescholar aaronpk: THANK YOU AARON -- This is a campaign that is just starting, it will be on many sites and will use webmention - https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/what-is-your-free-software-story
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tantek welcome glennjones !
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glennjones hi tantek
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Loqi glennjones: KevinMarks left you a message on 8/21 at 9:27am: did you add "lang" parsing to the js parser? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-21/line/1440174420544
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Loqi glennjones: [shaners] left you a message on 12/23 at 1:45pm: <https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/46 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-23/line/1450907116866
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tantek glennjones, are you going to join us for IndieWebCamp NYC remotely?
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+14) "/* Use your own domain */ updated link" (view diff)
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glennjones unfortunately not, I am busy this weekend, but try on catch up on what happens over the next week
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codemonkey http://tumblr.com/settings/blog/(username)
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LaraFZ codemonkey - is this help on how to change your url?
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tommorris https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/690933396990627840
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@EricHolthaus Just out: NWS in NYC has greatly boosted their snow total forecast. 24-30” now expected. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/22/blizzard_of_2016_live_blog_winter_snow_storm_updates.html [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/690933396990627840)
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codemonkey That's the url to change your url or set a custom domain.
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codemonkey LaraFZ - https://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/blog_management#customdomain <-- Here's the guide
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tommorris Tumblr: can't keep permalinks for its own docs, but trust us to keep permalinks for your blog.
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bear it was a walk down memory lane reading that domain webmention blacklist from bridgy - seesmic, pownce, jaiku...
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jay2 codemonkey after clicking the link it just leads to basic account settings, but not the option to change the url
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tantek tommorris: perhaps they should have used a Tumblr for their docs.
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codemonkey Aww pownce. I actually prefered pownce over twitter back in the day.
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codemonkey jay2 - You have to click the pencil next to username and it has a toggle for a custom domain.
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LaraFZ codemonkey - I'm with Jay here - it's not working
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LaraFZ when you toggle it just shows email save or cancel
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codemonkey Hmm. I can share my screen real quick and show everyone on talky.
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codemonkey Yeah I'm trying to show Lara how to change her domain on tumblr
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LaraFZ THANK YOU!
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codemonkey No problem :)
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LaraFZ You rule :)
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bear codemonkey++
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Loqi codemonkey has 1 karma
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+120) "/* Use your own domain */ URL to get to the settings" (view diff)
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tantek codemonkey: could you add more steps here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Use_your_own_domain ? I wasn't quite able to follow the steps on talky!
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codemonkey Yeah one sec
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mwunsch hi hello
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tantek hello mwunsch !
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tantek good crowd here at IWC NYC day 2
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mwunsch tantek: good to hear! is there another live stream?
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tantek codemonkey: we had a quick discussion here about how it's probably better to do the Tumblr step before you A Record
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tantek because there is a *slight* vulnerability in that if you set an A record, and then someone else does the Tumblr steps, your domain directs to their tumblr
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tantek I don't know how Tumblr could prevent that
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codemonkey You can either change the CNAME or A record.
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codemonkey It can take up to 72 hours to change in the DNS servers.
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tantek in practice it seems to propagate a lot faster
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codemonkey Depends on who's controlling your DNS records. I know when I used Network Solutions it sometimes took up to 12 hours to change.
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mwunsch it must be lunchtime
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LaraFZ Yup :)
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LaraFZ leftovers!!!!
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LaraFZ woohoo!
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GWG Maybe I should make lunch
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GWG I just checked outside
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GWG Still no plow
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mwunsch GWG: did you see http://maps.nyc.gov/snow/
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GWG It shows they plowed a few blocks from here, but not this block
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mwunsch LaraFZ: guide is here: https://pages.github.com/
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mwunsch so for instance, my website is https://github.com/mwunsch/mwunsch.github.io
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@WebOlistico Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/690957901331038208)
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mwunsch be back online in just a bit!
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tantek hey remote participants we're going to take a photo soon - so get ready!
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tantek gwg, mwunsch, aaronpk, codemonkey
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codemonkey Ready but talky just froze
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@ServiziWeb Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/690961813723320327)
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codemonkey Your connection is in and out on talky
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GWG It is?
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GWG Talky hasn't been doing so well lately.
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codemonkey I think it was just their location because your feed was fine.
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GWG So we end up with a closeup of tantek's beard?
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bear what is the video link?
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GWG We're heading to Brooklyn?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "video link" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C1
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GWG bear: We seem to be on talky.io/indiewebcamp today
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GWG The quality isn't so wonderful though.
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GWG bear: Can you hear clearly?
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bear nope - lot's of artifacts and noise - i'll just stay offline and work on my talk
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codemonkey It wasn't clear but I could hear you.
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GWG I just muted it.
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GWG I think Hangouts worked better
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codemonkey Yeah the feed over at Mozilla seems to be going in and out.
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tantek We are going to cut IndieWebCamp NYC short today at about 14:30 (to give everyone plenty of time to get home in daylight), and then resume tomorrow at 11:00!
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@esperienziale Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/690965629420072960)
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GWG tantek: I'll be on for that as well, regretably I have work at 2:45, so I'll skip out after that.
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GWG Will stay here working though
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GWG I can't get this term meta stuff working
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GWG Might have to try a different approach
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KevinMarks I'm at Hacks/Hackers connect in SF - journalists and coders
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GWG KevinMarks: Fun
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KevinMarks hope you aren't all getting snowed in
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GWG KevinMarks: I got snowed in. That's why I'm not in Manhattan today
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KevinMarks I saw Tony Haile of chartbeat last night - he was stuck in SF 'cos his NY flights were cancelled, so he's snowed in SF
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tommorris British translations: https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/7/1/9/enhanced-buzz-wide-13765-1372685755-18.jpg
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mlncn hrrsn: http://atomicules.co.uk/
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mlncn hrrsn: Content created by me (<a class="h-card" rel="me" href="http://atomicules.co.uk/"><!-- Using implied h-card properties, which don't always validate, but is actually valid. Might figure out using a decent sized image at some point -->
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GWG I'm having a little venue UI interface issue.
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tantek alright time to update schedule pages etc. for tomorrow!!!
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tantek GWG, want to come in tomorrow? We decided to end early today have a DAY 3 at 11:00!!!
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GWG tantek: I already answered that question if you scroll up
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KevinMarks IWC extended remix?
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GWG I work at 2:45. I'll be on from here till then.
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tantek ok
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tantek UPDATE ALL THE PAGES!
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GWG Who are you asking?
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tommorris tantek multitasking: https://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/3071055422
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+0) "IWC NYC EXTENDED REMIX - NOW TIL SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY" (view diff)
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GWG Someone proof that please?
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tantek on it
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Schedule (+110) "we don't need no stinkin badges, more day details" (view diff)
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tommorris.org moved /2016/NYC/Let's_Encrypt to /2016/NYC/letsencrypt "fixing URL"
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tantek aaronpk: could you update https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/01/22/1/indiewebcamp to change the end date to 2016-01-24 ?
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tommorris.org edited /2016/NYC/Schedule (-84) "/* Friday January 22 2016 */ changing links over to permaversions" (view diff)
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codemonkey Talky is being really choppy. Just FYI.
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GWG codemonkey: That is why I used Hangouts when I ran the video yesterday
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@j Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving. (twitter.com/_/status/690982295113695233)
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@kevinmarks RT @j Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving. (twitter.com/_/status/690982699679416320)
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GWG @j and @t are both @mozillanyc? How many more letters can we invite?
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KevinMarks I've met @k and @_ and @r
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GWG Maybe we could just get all the ones together between @j and @t and sort them alphabetically.
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tantek I think we're all wrapped up here for the day at IndieWebCamp NYC - will start again tomorrow 11:00 EST!
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GWG Indiewebcamp NYC continues here in the chat room.
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@ZooFood RT @j Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving. (twitter.com/_/status/690992719355707392)
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GWG Making nice progress here.
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@proinsanitus Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/691008612718637058)
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@aldoceccarelli "#Webmention: #HTML diventa #social" #in http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/691014749950185472)
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KevinMarks anyone seen http://getwhiskers.com/
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jgarber KevinMarks: A new project from Larry Halff? Definitely worth a look!
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KevinMarks an old one…
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jgarber KevinMarks: An old project from Larry Halff? Definitely worth a look! ;) (Totally missed the copyright date on it…)
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@filoage Webmention: HTML diventa social - http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/691024174077317121)
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KevinMarks kylewm: did you move your silo.pub for POSSE to known as well?
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snarfed KevinMarks: he said he probably will for kylewm.com at least, yes
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KevinMarks has anyone got a micropub ui I can fork easily?
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snarfed quill?
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GWG This is going to be the most Javascript I've had to do on anything. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to that.
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