#indiewebcamp 2016-01-16

2016-01-16 UTC
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GWG We have a good crop coming
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GWG I should plan on being excited.
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@rhiaro @indecisivecoder Hey you! If you're not busy next weekend and feel like laidback website hacking stuff, this is fun: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (twitter.com/_/status/688153195617517570)
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[shaners] Does anyone still use `rel=“external”` on links? What does it do?
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[shaners] aaronpk: the wiki seems to be suffering. Slow page loads, 504s, timeouts. See anything on your end?
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aaronpk only on saving a page it looks like
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aaronpk i think it's the plugin that tries to go archive hotlinked images
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aaronpk timing out on pages that have a lot of images
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[shaners] Gotcha. Thanks for looking.
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aaronpk hmm I think I will disable that for now
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aaronpk it isn't working the way I want it to anyway
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aaronpk ultimately I want the plugin to stash the image away and modify the wiki page source to reference the archived copy
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Loqi gives aaronpk the plugin to stash the image away and modify the wiki page source to reference the archived copy
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aaronpk which means it will only time out if you add a whole bunch of *new* images to a page at once
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[shaners] copy that
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GWG I am thinking of starting the project I planned for IWC early.
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GWG http://wptavern.com/open-source-project-maintainers-confront-github-with-open-letter-on-issue-management
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GWG Hmm...
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GWG Hi, snarfed.
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GWG Lots of wiki updating tonight
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[shaners] GWG: I’m just cleaning up all past references to iamshane.com and Homesteading since I’ve now settled on veganstraightedge.com and Dark Matter.
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[shaners] Sometimes, I wish I could make the wiki edits without notifications coming into the channel. But, whatevs.
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GWG I wasn't criticizing, I was watching
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[shaners] gwg: Your icon in your template is 404ing.
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[shaners] https://david.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/David-Shanske_avatar_1409846078-75x75.png
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GWG I know.I really should fix that.
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[shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:gwg
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[shaners] How about that?
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gRegorLove [shaners]: If you mark the edit as "minor" it apparently doesn't show up in the channel.
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GWG I suppose I am just not big on profile pictures.
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[shaners] gRegorLove Really? Awesome. Thanks.
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gRegorLove [shaners]: I used to use rel=external on links, sure there's still some around in my archives. I used javascript so they'd open in an external window
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gRegorLove Just so it could be XHTML-compliant, blah blah
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[shaners] I wish browsers would’ve picked up on that and done it be default
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aaronpk (plz don't abuse the hidden edits)
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aaronpk GWG: you could always use a graphic icon instead of a photo!
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gRegorLove closes the edit aaronpk page and whistles nonchalantly
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[shaners] hahaha
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gRegorLove Lately I'm just of the opinion that the user can decide if they want to open a link in a new tab or not.
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GWG I can't even pick an icon for my Post Kinds plugin.
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[shaners] gregorlove: yeah. seems good.
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gRegorLove GWG: http://www.iconarchive.com/random.html
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GWG I need someone more artistic than me.
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gRegorLove Where does the icon appear, GWG?
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[shaners] What is LOCKSS?
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Loqi LOCKSS is an acronym for Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe, a mnemonic for the technique of keeping and encouraging many copies of things as a way of improving their longevity https://indiewebcamp.com/LOCKSS
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GWG gRegorLove, on the plugin page on wordpress.org.
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[aaronpk] Already hit my first snag while importing, lol. Need to deal with generating and displaying map images for events. I had only done it for bike rides and those kinds.
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[shaners] aaronpk: Can you skip it for now and deal with it after you launch?
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@davidmead RT @t 🗽 Dear New York City, 🌐 In one week we are coming to liberate your websites. 🌈 Join us: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (ttk.me t4fF2) (twitter.com/_/status/688185814904254464)
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Loqi [bridgy] Matt Knowlton replied '@t Wish I could go! If there’s ever one in Texas I’m down. (antipolar.tumblr.com...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (https://twitter.com/codemonkey/status/688183225605173248)
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[shaners] I think I’m all done wiki gardening for the night.
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[aaronpk] Fixed my event maps
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GWG aaronpk: Very good
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@ArchiveBot Archiving http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/688264214218051584)
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@DanPejeroni RT @w3c First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/688298507078221824)
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Loqi [bridgy] Maithu Venkatesh replied '@rhiaro This looks amazing but I have work on the Friday :(' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (https://twitter.com/indecisivecoder/status/688353430935617537)
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aaronpk wow I think first post type import is complete!
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aaronpk events are looking good!
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aaronpk likes and bookmarks are done!
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bear ^5 aaronpk
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GWG Is there a preview?
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aaronpk only while my laptop is online
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aaronpk https://pk.ngrok.io/
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GWG How do I know what the symbols mean?
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aaronpk you'll figure it out
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GWG I was asking from a new visitor perspective
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@netsensei @mattiasgeniar @svg Some more info: https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium #posse (twitter.com/_/status/688418136060784641)
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kylewm aaronpk: what does the battery symbol represent!?
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kylewm footer looks really nice
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aaronpk kylewm: that's the current battery life of my phone!
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kylewm lol, why is that there?
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aaronpk why not?
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kylewm :D
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kylewm because every time someone on the internet posts a screenshot with a battery less than 50%, 5 people have to comment "charge your phone!"
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aaronpk I will be sure to inform you of any increase in the number of "charge your phone" comments I receive :D
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aaronpk articles are proving more difficult to import automatically because of embedded images
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aaronpk any posts that use Quill's data URI trick are fine. the problem is the articles with <img> tags that point to local files.
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aaronpk which is now also making me think about what is the best way to do this via micropub
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aaronpk (my import process is actually my old site making micropub requests to my new site)
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aaronpk which has the added benefit of making sure my site supports micropub for creating every kind of post i have!
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aaronpk my current struggle is how do I upload multiple images associated with a new blog post via micropub
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GWG aaronpk, what if you out the icons in the footer with the names for context?
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aaronpk GWG: maybe. I'm gonna deal with that kind of stuff later though, after I launch this.
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GWG aaronpk, I try to say things as they occur to me.
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aaronpk there's a semi-elegant solution to uploading multiple images via micropub, but it only works with the form-encoded version, not JSON
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aaronpk the other solution i'm thinking of places constraints on how the server can store the file, which I don't like
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aaronpk here's version 1 https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/e825cf836d4d80156134
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aaronpk the html content of the article has an img tag with a relative URL to "cat.jpg" and there is also a file in the request called "cat.jpg"
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna go with that for now
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kylewm aaronpk: GWG: just <i title="Bookmark" class="fa fa-bookmark"></i> would solve that issue right?
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GWG Effectively.
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GWG But not on mobile.
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aaronpk why not on mobile?
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aaronpk i'm just not sure where I want to put the icon. it's already in the top right corner for those anyway.
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GWG Does tapping for the title work on mobile?
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aaronpk hm I just made a semi-drastic change and I hope it doesn't have unintended consequences
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GWG I never quite got touchscreen adaptation.
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aaronpk i realized in order for relative image links in posts to work, I need my post permalinks to have a trailing slash if there is no slug
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aaronpk e.g. /2016/01/16/1/ vs /2016/01/16/1/cat
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Loqi !calc e.g. /2016/01/16/1/ vs /2016/01/16/1/cat
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aaronpk but now i can attach multiple files in a micropub request and include a simple <img> tag with the uploaded filename! no extra processing required on the micropub endpoint end!
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gRegorLove Is rel=permalink useful for anything currently? The w3 validator says it's not a registered rel keyword for HTML5.
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gRegorLove It's been in my HTML so long and I honestly don't remember why I put it there, heh.
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aaronpk no idea, is that different from rel=canonical?
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gRegorLove Looks like it's superseded by rel=bookmark http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#WCLR
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gRegorLove More context: http://lachy.id.au/dev/markup/specs/wclr/#perm-links
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gRegorLove Not quite rel-canonical. Can have multiple rel-bookmarks on a page; serves to indicate the permalink of the closest <article> or section the link is most closely associated with.
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gRegorLove I think I'll just drop rel-permalink. Don't see much use for either currently.
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aaronpk nice. now when my micropub endpoint gets an <img> with a data: URI in it, it extracts the file and saves it to disk
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gRegorLove Nice. How comes the new site, aaronpk?
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[kevinmarks] Ah, neat. I do like the data uri pass through to silos though
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[kevinmarks] There's probably a size threshold where that makes sense, though I suppose http2 will make it less relevant
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aaronpk gRegorLove: i'm working through my different post types. currently working on articles which triggered all this stuff about embedded images
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gRegorLove Argh. Persona shutting down November 30th. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_Shutdown_Guidelines_for_Reliers#Why_is_persona.org_being_shut_down.3F
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gRegorLove I know they transitioned to 'community ownership' a while ago, but I'd hoped they were going to still maintain persona.org indefinitely. Wasted time setting up a Persona login for local comments on my site.
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aaronpk oh dang wow
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gRegorLove You'd think they'd put something up on persona.org. I only found out via MDN
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gRegorLove I'm considering a PHP version of https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/10/passwordless-authentication-secure-simple-and-fast-to-deploy/
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sknebel I haven't had the time to follow up on it, but from the discussions around this some people started discussing a new project in this direction in #letsauth
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aaronpk one-time login links via email?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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gRegorLove Though I might do it more like a "confirm your comment" email. First-time comments won't post until they click the link. A bit better UX.
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to switch indieauth.com to do that too
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aaronpk in order to keep supporting email logins on indieauth.com
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tantek gRegorLove: yeah rel=permalink never took hold, was unnecessary since rel=bookmark served the same purpose and was pre-existing.
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aaronpk I think I'm happy with my article importing!
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aaronpk [✓]
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gRegorLove tantek: rel-bookmark confuses me a bit since I though rels were scoped to the whole page, not just the nearest section of the page.
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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tantek gRegorLove: and that's why rel=bookmark broke eventually
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tantek and it became clear that anything element scoped needed to be in a class microformat, not a rel
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gRegorLove Gotcha
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aaronpk i guess this is taking about as long as I expected it to, but dang
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gRegorLove Are wm still being batched? I sent one to /2015 about an hour ago and doesn't look like it showed up. It queued successfully.
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aaronpk the notification clustering broke for some reason