#indiewebcamp 2016-01-07

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kylewm
letsencrypt++ just tried it out on a secondary domain, pretty amazing
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Loqi
letsencrypt has 4 karma
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GWG
snarfed: I merge most things, either manually or automatically.
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cleverdevil
<3 LetsEncrypt.
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cleverdevil
we're going to be rolling it out more aggressively at DreamHost soonish :D
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aaronpk
i am most excited about letsencrypt for what it does for companies like dreamhost :)
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aaronpk
oh maybe someone here knows, I couldn't find the answer online. when you are requesting a cert for subdomain.example.com, does letsencrypt check for the verification file at example.com or subdomain.example.com?
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@ChrisAldrich
I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb https://twitter.com/Recode/status/684416027925467136
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@kevinmarks
RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http…
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rhiaro
aaronpk: subdomain
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@cubicgarden
RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http…
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@peteramckay
RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http…
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GWG
Thinking.
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KartikPrabhu
what is status
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ax
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bear
I offer my services as someone who is good at "running services" to anyone in the indieweb community who needs Ops skills - just ping me
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Loqi
bear has 92 karma
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bear
I need a way to send that to everyone :)
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KartikPrabhu
bear: document on your user page?
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KartikPrabhu
or if there is an "ops" page
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KartikPrabhu
what is services?
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bear.im
edited /services (+206) "bear offers to be the ops person for IndieWeb"
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bear.im
edited /User:Bear.im (+186) "add "ops help apply here" signage to my user page"
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bear
let's see how that works :)
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bear
goes to sleep
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@webrocker
und dieses 'poste ich halt jeden beitrag als link auf twitter' ist mir auch zuwider, indieweb hin oder her.
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petermolnar
good morning
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Loqi
cweiske: KartikPrabhu left you a message 10 hours, 2 minutes ago: thanks for reporting. It was a glitch in the code. In any case the hfeed2atom form is causing my server to "freeze" for some reason, so I have disabled it until I fix the problem. Sorry about that. I am no good at running services http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-06/line/1452123704062
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cweiske
KartikPrabhu, maybe ask bear, he offered help :)
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KartikPrabhu
yeah... have to see how to run that thing for others
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petermolnar
!tell snarfed,kylewm bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
petermolnar: let's start with documenting use of srcset, and then figuring out how to properly do mf2 markup for them
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tantek
so in that regard...
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tantek
what is srcset?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "srcset" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ay
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tantek
^^^ petermolnar could you create and once you start publishing srcset on your site add yourself with URLs to an "IndieWeb Examples" section?
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KartikPrabhu
I have been looking at srcset too. But haven't implemented it
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petermolnar
tantek sometimes you make my life harder by reminding me that not every tech acronym is widely known :)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: great, please help with that page and document your "looking at" in a "Brainstorming" section.
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu it's pretty badly supported, unfortunately I need to suggest to use picturefill.js for fallback
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KartikPrabhu
no need. the fallback should do the trick srcset is pretty much progressive enhancement built-in
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tantek
petermolnar: it may look like making your life harder, but I'm actually making a smaller more constrained request that *should* help with getting us (as a community) as a whole solve the larger challenges you are bringing up!
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petermolnar
srcset is an HTML <img> tag extension, allowing an image to have multiple sizes listed for various screen resolutions.
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loqi.me
created /srcset (+145) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160468388 and dfn added by petermolnar"
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tantek
a way to help with incremental progress towards solving
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tantek
thanks petermolnar !
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KartikPrabhu
my problem with srcset is it ties presentation ( image sizes in vw ) with HTML markup. I have no idea how to sanely implement it for a given arbitrary image
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petermolnar
tantek smiley at the and as a 'nod', since I understand the need
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tantek
Bridgy folks will ask what's the right mf2/HTML5 way to parse it etc., and likely we need a way of specifying it explicitly in HTML5+mf2 for other consuming code as well.
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu it's not entirely a progressive enhancement: I use the smallest image size as default to save bandwith
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tantek
which of course depends on understanding real world use of srcset, hence document real world use, documenting srcset itself. etc.
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petermolnar
so even on normal screens it needs to kick in
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tantek
solving a maze from the finish to the start by unwinding the dependencies.
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petermolnar
tantek I will extend it, this was just to have the page
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tantek
I figured. :)
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: yes. I would use whatever image src I would have used without srcset as the default
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petermolnar
I originally did that as well
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petermolnar
but right now, I have 4 sizes, the most common, for displays between hd and fullhd resolutions is the 3rd
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petermolnar
therefore smallers screens downloaded a large image, just to fall back on a smaller once the srcset kicked in
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petermolnar
so I decided to use the smallest as img src
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petermolnar
and progressively add the larger is it's really needed
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petermolnar
that's where picturefill.js comes in: http://caniuse.com/#search=srcset
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petermolnar
(it's unbelievable that IE still lags behind o.O)
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KartikPrabhu
provide safe defaults and no need to worry about IE and polyfills
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petermolnar
safe, but ugly defaults, to discourage stupid browsers...
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KartikPrabhu
in any case how do you decide the "sizes" in srcset?
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petermolnar
offtopic, but interesting: http://webdesign.maratz.com/lab/responsivetypography/simple/ (found when searching for a good responsive image article that is somewhere in my bookmarks )
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu I'm just about to document that on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu
it seems to me the sizes depends on the CSS display of the images and so I don't know how to put it in the HTML
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tantek
petermolnar, KartikPrabhu the bigger challenge here is that we may need to add mf2 parser support for explicit srcset handling, and mf2 JSON updates as well. TBD based on real world examples.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes once we have examples
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I'm falling asleep, but feel free to capture that analysis as well in a "Brainstorming" section on the page
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petermolnar
I'm looking for an article that summarized the different srcset and responsive image methods
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petermolnar
because as always, there is more than one way to do it
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tantek
which is why it is important to document the ways people actually do it
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petermolnar
what is responsive images?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "responsive images" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Az
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petermolnar
responsive images are an extension to HTML to allow different resolutions of an img or a picture element, according to screen resolution or screen pixel density.
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loqi.me
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KartikPrabhu
cool night tantek
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petermolnar
wiki related question: 4 spaces should be code, but it seems like it executes the html in there. should I manually escape the <s ans >s or is there something I'm not aware of?
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KartikPrabhu
use <code> and <pre> as in usual HTML
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: thanks for writing that up. my question was how do you decide the sizes attribute. It ties the HTML to the CSS
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petermolnar
that comes from PHP; I've added definite image sizes to wordpress to generate these; when the content is generated, I auto-add the featured image if present and the featured image is html is generated like this, if that is the question
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KartikPrabhu
so you decide the HTMl based on the CSS?
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petermolnar
css had nothing to do with this
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KartikPrabhu
the CSS decides is the image is 50vw at viewports > 960px
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petermolnar
but those are hardcoded
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KartikPrabhu
so if I change the CSS I have to change the HTML too no?
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petermolnar
ah, I get it
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petermolnar
yes, you do
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KartikPrabhu
unless all your images are in the same place all the time
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KartikPrabhu
on my site they aren't
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petermolnar
by the way, I have this in the css: @media (min-width: 960px) and (orientation: landscape) and (-webkit-max-device-pixel-ratio: 1.5),(min-width: 960px) and (orientation: landscape) and (max-resolution: 220dpi),(min-width: 2400px) and (orientation: landscape) and (-webkit-max-device-pixel-ratio: 1.9),(min-width: 2400px) and (orientation: landscape) and (max-resolution: 290dpi) {
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petermolnar
.nav-toggle-button {
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petermolnar
ignore the last line, sorry, bad selection
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petermolnar
that is my "is it a desktop?" query
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KartikPrabhu
yeah this will get real complicated when combined with /custom-post-style
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KartikPrabhu
which is why I haven't adopted it yet
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petermolnar
you can skip the correlation if the images always take the same size of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu
they don't
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petermolnar
s/same size/same %/
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: you can skip the correlation if the images always take the same % of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu
depending on the article different images are placed differently and have different sizes
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petermolnar
I'd skip the css correlation in that case
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petermolnar
just add alternate sizes, pixel density approach
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petermolnar
my example is for photos which are either 100% or 50% of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu
but then it doesn't do what responsive images are supposed to do
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petermolnar
what, there are two aspects and you're mixing it
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KartikPrabhu
my problem is how do I decide the HTML for a srcset if the size of the image depends on the CSS that is sizing it
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petermolnar
1, the image shouldn't be fixed in size and should resize according to the viewport
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petermolnar
that I fixed as this: https://petermolnar.eu/reducing_js/ see 'Limiting image width & height'
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KartikPrabhu
1. is simply doen by width 100% in a container
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petermolnar
2, the real resolution of an image to avoid too much down/upscaling
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KartikPrabhu
2. is the problem
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petermolnar
for that we have srcset
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petermolnar
and that will kick in automatically
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KartikPrabhu
yes. so how do I decide the sizes attribute for some given image whose size might depend on the CSS?
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petermolnar
you don't need the media query
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petermolnar
that's just an addition
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KartikPrabhu
if i say in CSS position this image at this size I have to change the HTML for the sizes attribute
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petermolnar
no, you don't
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petermolnar
you specify the availabe resolutions of an image
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petermolnar
the browser chooses one
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petermolnar
you have specific cases and you can describe them, like that 960px viewport % example, you add that as well
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petermolnar
to make it easier for the browser to decide
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KartikPrabhu
hmmm so not optimal
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petermolnar
as far as I understand it, it is optional
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petermolnar
I might be mistaken, but this needs more research
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KartikPrabhu
without the sizes attribute the browser does not know how big the image will be actually displayed according to the CSS.
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KartikPrabhu
it will go with the pixel density/viewport size and download the image even if the CSS has not been applied yet
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petermolnar
it'll fall back for 100%
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KartikPrabhu
yup. even if the final image is displayed at 20%
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KartikPrabhu
so if I have the CSS #img1{width: 20%;} and #img2{width: 100%} the browser does not know until it downloads and parse the CSS but by that time it has laready requested the images
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petermolnar
I never went deep enough into the topic to tell how it's actually working in the wild, so I can't verify this
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KartikPrabhu
I think it does work as such. Which is why now I have JS doing the "responsive images" thing. But the drwback is that the JS has to wait for the CSS
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@webrocker
ich finde es nervig, auf twitter links zu (indieweb) statusmeldungen zu bekommen, die auch direkt in einen tweet gepasst hätten. >
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: not to worry. I think this use-case of mine needs a whole post so I might write it up sometime soon
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Jeena
interesting, some guys here at the customers office I work at now listen to one of KevinMarks podcasts and got interested in my IndieWeb talk at foss-gbg next month, cool stuff :D
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KartikPrabhu
Jeena: that is pretty neat
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@lukasbestle
@creichel_ Wann planst du denn, zur btconf zu kommen und abzureisen? Hast du am WE davor auch schon Zeit? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany
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marcthiele.com
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petermolnar
!tell snarfed,kylewm granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
does the happy dance, got blogroll2email work with granary's json-mf2 mode work flickr and instagram, and now can has notifications in email
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@lukasbestle
@creichel_ Das ist eigentlich immer sehr ähnlich vom Programm. Hier Infos zu dem 2015: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany
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Loqi
[bridgy] Lukas Bestle replied '@btconf But that one doesn’t have images yet. ;) @creichel_' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany (https://twitter.com/lukasbestle/status/685096482165374978)
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Loqi
[bridgy] beyond tellerrand replied '@lukasbestle @creichel_ that is logic and true ;) More images of the #indiewebca...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany (https://twitter.com/btconf/status/685096779302453248)
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Schnitz
hey snarfed
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Schnitz
BTW, snarfed, if you'd ask me, I'd give the SoundCloud SILO integration into Bridgy a higher priority than Issue 590
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snarfed
Schnitz: understood!
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Loqi
snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 41 minutes ago: bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160368618
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Loqi
snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 43 minutes ago: granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452171061991
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snarfed
adding a new silo is a lot of work, though, and i don't use soundcloud (and i don't think kylewm does either) so i doubt either may be unlikely for either kylewm or me to do anytime soon
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snarfed
so if you want it, definitely feel free to jump in!
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Schnitz
alright good, I might actually do that and brush up my programming skills after I come back from my vacation, thanks for letting me know
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marcthiele
Hey snarfed.
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snarfed
hi marcthiele!
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snarfed
saw your issue
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marcthiele
Filed another possible …
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marcthiele
Not sure if it really is one or i simply did not understand the concept of the file
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snarfed
the json you included, where is it from?
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marcthiele
It is what the Plugin (https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirby-webmentions) from Basti grabs from Bridgy.
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marcthiele
When I asked him, he said that this is 1:1 what his plugin reads from Bridgy. All the other json files have "text" before the actual texst
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snarfed
hmm. the plugin fetches HTML from bridgy, so it must have converted it to that JSON somehow
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snarfed
i'll look more
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marcthiele
OK. Let me know if you need more info/input
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snarfed
marcthiele: i think i understand now, and we can probably fix it on our end. thanks for reporting!
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marcthiele
Happy to being able to ;)
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petermolnar.eu
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@jgmac1106
@LukasRosenstock That article was awesome. laughed out loud for quite some time. Going to use the Taft test in all my writing. #indieweb
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jeena.net
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jeena.net
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kylewm
good morning
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Loqi
kylewm: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 19 minutes ago: bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160368618
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Loqi
kylewm: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 21 minutes ago: granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452171061991
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kylewm
huh, so it doesn't!
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gRegorLove
Morning, #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Schnitz
mornin' gRegorLove!
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aaronparecki.com
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GWG
Time.
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snarfed
so inscrutable!
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GWG
snarfed, I am contemplating time. Over the weekend, I did a post and backdated it to 1999.
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GWG
I am
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GWG
recreating the events of April 10, 1999 as chronicled by me.
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GWG
That was back in the days I took real film and kept a film log in a notebook
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GWG
People don't seem to annotate their pictures like they used to
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GWG
It changes the meaning of photo post.
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GWG
I know there was a lot of talk about multi photo posts recently
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snarfed
there was! bridgy publish now supports multi photo to twitter
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snarfed
and location!
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GWG
Not sure how to multi photo post. I have been doing it as an article.
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snarfed
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 281 karma
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aaronparecki.com
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jeena.net
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Jeena
So next week the first HWC in GOT this year, don't miss it if you're somewhere near! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm
Jeena++ I like your poem
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Loqi
Jeena has 26 karma
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Jeena
I have a oem?
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kylewm
...year, ...near in your previous message :)
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Jeena
haha unintentional ^^
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Loqi
nice
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[snarfed]
hey kylewm, does silo.pub support syndication? ie if i have silo.pub tumblr and twitter accts, can i use it to post to tumblr and posse that post to twitter?
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kylewm
no, interesting idea though... so you'd send your micropub request for tumblr with syndicate-to[]=https://silo.pub/twitter.com/schnarfed, and it'd pass the request along?
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[snarfed]
i guess so?
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kylewm
what is micropub chaining?
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Loqi
micropub chaining is when you have one micropub endpoint itself use micropub to post to another micropub endpoint, like to POSSE a post to silos, or to a community site or other commons https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub_chaining
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[snarfed]
ah i see, so that way silo.pub wouldn't advertise and handle the explicit syndicating targets itself?
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[snarfed]
although that could work too i guess, just needs implementation
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kylewm
hehe PublishToSomeSilo.xyz
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aaronpk
interesting idea
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kylewm
[snarfed]: in my mind I guess it would work just like redwind does now. there is some UI for adding a micropub syndication target to your tumblr account
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kylewm
then when the micropub client requests the list of possible syndication targets, that would be returned as one of them
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kylewm
I don't know about all this /micropub?register=... stuff
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snarfed
Schnitz might be interested in this. he's been pushing the boundaries of using bridgy publish to posse his tumblr posts
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aaronpk
yeah I don't really follow that page. It seems more like implementation detail of a particular implementation
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snarfed
well, the ability to pass an arbitrary mp endpoint as a syndication target is user visible, not just implementation detail
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snarfed
but it's not quite plug and play since the first mp server needs the token for the second
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kylewm
snarfed: Schnitz: of course the major drawback would be you'd have to use Quill or another client to publish...not Tumblr's native client which I'dgues is pretty good?
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aaronpk
but even still, to the user it just looks like another syndication target, doesn't really matter if the syndication target supports micropub or not
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Schnitz
reading...
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snarfed
aaronpk: i think it does matter though, since the first mp server uses mp to talk to the synd target, right?
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aaronpk
but that's just implementation detail of how syndication works
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Schnitz
kylewm: Tumblr's native client *is* pretty good, thats the point. I alllows Rich Text that becomes clean HTML, and you can author in HTML directly, which is nice (that how I add my webmention <a href="">) to my posts manually right now
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aaronpk
all the client cares about is passing the syndicate-to string to the first micropub endpoint
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snarfed
aaronpk: sure. for normal syndication targets, agreed. it seems like the difference w/chaining is that a URL syndication target automatically tells the mp server to use micropub
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snarfed
so it can syndicate to an arbitrary MP endpoint it's never seen before
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snarfed
having said that, i haven't actually looked at this deeply, so i should probably stop talking :P
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snarfed
kylewm: Schnitz: understood! it's a tradeoff, i guess. the benefit of silo.pub is that you'd get more sophisticated POSSE support than bridgy publish
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Schnitz
right, that has its value, for sure
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Schnitz
snarfed, but do mean in terms of post formating options or things like multi-threaded commentary?
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snarfed
Schnitz: i think the latter?
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kylewm
aaronpk: speaking of all this, I'd like to brainstorm a bit how we could get the name/icon for a service from its url https://kylewm.com/2016/01/i-need-to-work-on-how-a-micropub-client-could-better
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snarfed
you'd also be able to use interesting special-purpose micropub clients, e.g. http://ownyourgram.com/ , https://teacup.p3k.io/ , mobile apps, etc
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aaronpk
kylewm: yeah totally. right now the two approaches are either change the response of the syndication endpoint query to include that info, or have the client make an HTTP request to fetch the info from the syndication URL
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kylewm
maybe something like h-x-app but for a silo account... h-x-account? which would have the silo icon, the silo name and the account name
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aaronpk
i think h-card covers everything needed, right?
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Schnitz
to post formatting wise we're down to either just text or one image plus text if you want it to be equally well recepted on Tumblr / FB / Twitter, not so much a technical issue, more about audiences and their usage patterns
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Schnitz
even photosets don't really make soo much sense when cross-posting
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kylewm
the confusing thing is h-card would presumably have the photo of the user, not the icon of the service
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aaronpk
hmm, what's the reason you have the h-card there right now?
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kylewm
experimenting only, it doesn't do anything yet
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kylewm
well, redwind reads the p-name, but it doesnt'make much sense that three of my syndication targets suggest "Kyle Mahan" as the name
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aaronpk
oh that's the indieauth URL right?
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aaronpk
if you sign in to https://telegraph.p3k.io it will grab the icon from that h-card then
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kylewm
I don't even want to think about what it means to sign into telegraph with silo.pub :P
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aaronpk
lol. it's just an ID, no micropub support in telegraph
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[snarfed]
if the synd targets have your name and also the silo url, that could work, right?
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[snarfed]
and/or username
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aaronpk
you'd want the syndication buttons to show the service icon I'd think
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gRegorLove
Hah. Looking at Facebook's "Memories" for the first time. Ye olde tweets that cross-posted to FB are prefixed with "is twittering:" I'd forgotten about that.
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snarfed
er s/url/icon/. what aaronpk said
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aaronpk
keep in mind that syndication targets are not always silos. e.g. I might want to syndicate something to another website of mine
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aaronpk
(i have some plans brewing)
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kylewm
you may also want to syndicate to something like IRC or Slack
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aaronpk
those are silos too but yeah a little different from twitter/tumblr/etc
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aaronpk
so it's almost like the profile h-card needs a way to describe the service that provides it
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aaronpk
which makes me think there is probably some prior art here
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aaronpk
"affiliated organization"? not quite
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snarfed
destination
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aaronpk
more like account provider
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aaronpk
were there ever any microformats to describe an account rather than a person?
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aaronpk
quill actually does use /favicon.ico right now
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aaronpk
but that doesn't provide a way to have it show alternate text on the button, which is demonstrated nicely in that screenshot
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singpolyma
<link rel="shortcut icon" title="Twitter" href="/assets/twitter.png /> ?
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singpolyma
seems not quite right
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kylewm
singpolyma: I like that idea
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aaronpk
whatever this ends up being is going to have to work also on your own home page
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aaronpk
if you want your website to be used as a syndication target
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kylewm
compatible with the way it works for targets that are directly twitter.com/ or facebook.com/
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singpolyma
kylewm: exactly
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singpolyma
with domain+ /favicon.ico as fallback, probably
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kylewm
silopub doesn't have a /favicon.ico right now, which is probably why it's blank for Quill
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aaronpk
yeah. but also it just assumes favicon at the root so it'd be the same for all silo.pub targets right now anyway
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kylewm
woodwind just uses google's favicon service, will have to test to see how it works with different icons at leaves
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aaronpk
rel=icon probably works
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aaronpk
if it can have a title too
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aaronpk
my current rel=icon is my favicon (different from my profile photo), and I'd just have to add "aaronparecki.com" or "Aaron Parecki" to the title attribute
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kylewm
doh google's favicon thinger only accepts domains
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snarfed
huh, http://www.neverendingbooks.org/ has a pretty cool, unusual looking wordpress theme
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snarfed
i confused it for medium at first
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@kevinmarks
@UnburntWitch @girlziplocked what we're doing with #indieweb has the potential to be this. Would love to help.
(twitter.com/_/status/685186027313471488)
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kylewm
I take it back, google's thing does accept full urls!
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snarfed
woo! and does it work?
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kylewm
singpolyma++ great suggestion
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Loqi
singpolyma has 8 karma
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brandonrozek.com
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aaronpk
wait what just happened
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kylewm
I added rel="shortcut icon" to the silopub proxy pages, and Woodwind gets them from there
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aaronpk
oh nice
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kylewm
which works whether your url is twitter.com/kylewmahan or silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan
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kylewm
<title> is trickier
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aaronpk
I liked the idea of using the title attribute of the <link>
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kylewm
ohhh, thought you meant title of the page
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kylewm
It seems like the title of the <link rel="icon"> should describe the icon, rather than the account?
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aaronpk
hmm yeah suppose so
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singpolyma
but if the icon is for the service... and the title is of the service... maybe?
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aaronpk
you want the syndication button to say "aaronpk on twitter" or "twitter.com/aaronpk" though, in case there are more than one button on the same service
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singpolyma
oh. and the page isn't always a profile page?
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kylewm
it seems reasonable to assume it's a profile page or a homepage
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singpolyma
if it's a profile page, then you could either use <title> or else use hcard fn + icon title
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KevinMarks
I use srcset on user profiles in willsomeone
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KevinMarks
up to 4x on the icon, 3x on the main
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@jgmac1106
@kevinmarks @anildash Its #teachtheweb for me its a baby step to #indieweb, honorable mention to: #literacies, #clmooc, #ccourses
(twitter.com/_/status/685206781136629764)
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KevinMarks
hm, how about profile image badged with the favicon?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: too small. the button only shows a 16px icon really
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KevinMarks
hm, realised in willsomeone I shoudl detect an SVG icon and not use a srcset fot it
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petan1
hello little fellows
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Schnitz
hey petan1
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petan1
what's up
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petan1
what do you guys do in here indieweb?
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snarfed
hi petan1!
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jgamc1106
@loqi: are those automated so any post to #indieweb on Twitter automatically gets posted to IRC by some bot?
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aaronpk
who is Loqi?
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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idolstarastronomer.com
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petermolnar
I finally finished reading this: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm - this is probably the most important articles I've read in years; it's conclusions would also work as a manifesto for the web of the (near) future ( sorry for linking it again, it sure has been mentioned, but I'm amused and happy to read this. Finally something on 'what to do' not just 'what's borked and it used to be better' )
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petermolnar
s/articles/article
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: I finally finished reading this: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm - this is probably the most important article I've read in years; it's conclusions would also work as a manifesto for the web of the (near) future ( sorry for linking it again, it sure has been mentioned, but I'm amused and happy to read this. Finally something on 'what to do' not just 'what's borked and it used to be better' )
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tantek
GWG, we are a go for IWC NYC at MozNYC
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tantek
got my flight
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tantek
confirmed MozNYC space, coffee, food for breakfast/lunch
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tantek
updating wiki...
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tantek
looks like we have THREE confirmed indieWebCamps for 2016 now!
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tantek
NYC, and two in Germany in April!
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aaronpk
off to a good start! we just need to nail down the date for the IndieWeb Summit in PDX now!
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tantek
!tell gRegorlove could you update the IndieWebCamps template for 2016, starting with /2016/NYC /2016/Nuermberg /2016/Germany (Düsseldorf) ? Thanks much!!!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
make that one in Germany in April, and another in Germany in May
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tantek
we might be able to get 12 months of IndieWebCamp this year!
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aaronpk
Nuremberg or Nürnberg, not sure if the wiki can do umlauts though
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tantek
yup! oh I see my typo
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tantek.com
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tantek
IWC NYC capacity is 15
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
!tell bear, jedahan, zachdonovan IndieWebCamp 2016 NYC is a GO 2016-01-22..23 at MozNYC. Add yourself: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC#Guest_List
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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[jonnybarnes]
Will there be a UK IWC this year?
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tantek
jonnybarnes - very likely - you should ask adactio!
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jgamc1106
ooh may have to make the NYC IWC this year thoguh as non-dev person wonder if I somethign to contribute/learn. Wanted to make it last time but had travel conflict
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