#indiewebcamp 2015-12-24

2015-12-24 UTC
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KartikPrabhu1 \nick KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu has been writing too much latex. getting my slashes wrong
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@mathpunk @chenoehart @m1k3y I would not say exclusive to. Check out http://indiewebcamp.com for some principles I think are worth thinking with (twitter.com/_/status/679868308422672384)
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GWG Okay, my 2016 goal has a Help section. Will have to wait for feedback on that.
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gRegorLove GWG: Feedback on what?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 5 minutes ago: I'm now leaning towards the default of continuing with the every two weeks of HWC, since we haven't seen strong opinions one way or another. With 2016-01-13 being the first HWC of 2016. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-23/line/1450911290577
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gRegorLove tantek: Sounds good.
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GWG From someone who needs help
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gRegorLove I don't follow
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GWG If I write a help section, and someone needs help, and it helps...
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snarfed KevinMarks_: you're going to be excited about https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/582
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snarfed kylewm++ for doing it
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Loqi kylewm has 278 karma
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tantek whoa
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KevinMarks__ wooho
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GWG Petermolnar, read your post
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petermolnar the log one?
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petermolnar turned out I'm not done due to the handle changes between the various networks, but that's just playing around with the data while in the db
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GWG What are you planning on doing with it?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you planning on doing with it" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AL
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petermolnar `update chatlogs set buddy = newname where buddy = oldname` :)
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petermolnar I just need to decode who is who
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petermolnar apparently msn handles are not trivial after a few years
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GWG Ok
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GWG I also fixed the issue you filed
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petermolnar seen it, thank you
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GWG Slow day
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aaronpk the day is still young
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GWG aaronpk, younger for you. I still have work.
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GWG But I am starting to feel like some version of my end of year goal might be ready.
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GWG I fixed three more problems last night.
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GWG Including wondering why PHP Datetime seems to ignore timezone if sent in by Iso8601
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aaronpk cool
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GWG Did you set a goal?
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tantek perhaps we need subheads
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tantek what is 2016-01-01?
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Loqi 2016-01-01-commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community to ship on their personal sites by 2016-01-01 00:00 local time https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01
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GWG I think that I missed that someo
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GWG somehow
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aaronpk I did, but I am worried I am not going to be able to hit it!
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (-10) "subheads for people" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk, we're all pulling for you
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tantek GWG, https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments#Aaron_Parecki
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aaronpk I'm definitely doing this the hard way
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GWG How so?
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aaronpk putting things in libraries with proper tests, using those libraries to build services, then using the services from my site. rather than just cobbling stuff together into a monolithic code base like before
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GWG Isn't that the sustainable way?
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aaronpk yes, it just takes a lot longer
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GWG I'm still a cobbler myself
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GWG
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GWG Probably why I've rewritten the same code many times
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tantek it takes longer to get "first run", however it is less likely to break, and should require less maintenance
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GWG tantek I am not at that level of professionalism yet
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tantek GWG, it is approachable incrementally, and then you can decided on a case by case basis how formal/thorough you want to be with any particular piece of code
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GWG My idea seemed good until it didn't
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tantek it's good to experiment along that "formalness" spectrum continuously, lest you fool yourself into thinking the ceremony of formality makes the quality (which it doesn't, it's just one possible tool for doing so).
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GWG I just keep trying to break out reusable pieces of code into functions
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GWG Then I realize that I didn't make it as easy as I could.
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tantek I prefer the other approach, copy and paste to get stuff working as quickly as possible until it feels awkward/embarrasing to do so, then break out common functions and feel a huge sense of relieve when you've deleted duplicate code.
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aaronpk oookay i think it's live!
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aaronpk (not my site)
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aaronpk just telegraph
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aaronpk https://telegraph.p3k.io/
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aaronpk definitely still some todos in it, but it should be good enough for now
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[shaners] Tantek: what did you mean by "perhaps we need subheads"? Just taking about subheads on the commitments page?
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tantek yeah
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tantek just another level of headings
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[shaners] :+1::skin-tone-2:
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tantek though the term subheads may have been imprecise
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[shaners] Aaronpk: could someone, in theory, run an instance of telegraph for just themselves? So they get the benefit of a miscroservice without giving up ownership of servers that one depends on?
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aaronpk of course
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aaronpk as long as you don't mind running a PHP app ;)
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aaronpk tantek: you may be interested in trying out Telegraph since you currently send webmentions manually anyway
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tantek my responses send automatic webmentions!
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tantek using the PHP library code I wrote to do the discovery etc.
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aaronpk oh! great! I didn't realize that
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tantek yes! been doing that for a while. I think since I implemented favorites/likes!
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aaronpk well nevermind then :)
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tantek aaronpk - however because of how my webmention sending support is written, I'm only explicitly sending them for response URLs / favorites. not to every single link.
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@aaronpk Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680122900385366016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680122900385366016)
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@jimgroom RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680122900385366016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680123050726146050)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/12/24/1/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/12/24/1/
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@obensource RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680122900385366016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680130477852786688)
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aaronpk once more, this time with the URL
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@aaronpk Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680140764706242560)
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aaronpk wonder how bridgy is gonna handel that
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tantek nice!
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tantek what is Telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indiewebcamp.com/Telegraph
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tantek "Please enter a URL" - heh I really need to extract and open source my JS for URL inputs without protocol.
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@jkphl RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680141555789893633)
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tantek (as implemented here http://tantek.com/relmeauth/ )
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aaronpk oh yeah. i keep doing input type="url" but then browsers get super picky
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tantek I use input type="url" on that page!
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tantek I just have a JS "shim" to "fix" it to allow protocol-less URLs to be entered :)
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aaronpk oh does the JS fill in http if none is entered?
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tantek yes!
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aaronpk good idea
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tantek just in time
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tantek to prevent any warnings
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tantek it uses CASSIS webaddresstouri function
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@adactio RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680143470619561985)
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@laralfield RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680147159740723200)
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@colinjohnston RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680151224755163136)
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@veganstraightedge RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680163923471892481)
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@nhoizey RT @aaronpk: Just launched Telegraph: an API for sending webmentions! https://telegraph.p3k.io #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/680140764706242560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/680175118363017220)