#indiewebcamp 2015-12-21

2015-12-21 UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, 100 days 100 words? :P
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GWG I think I can release something, but not necessarily all I want.
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[shaners] Gwg: perfect is the enemy of good enough
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GWG I'm not looking for perfect. I'm looking to achieve the goals on my list.
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GWG I may have to limit some goals
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GWG I'm looking at the reply-context examples in the wiki. I think I need to figure out some logic on this.
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GWG Right now, if I don't set an explicit title, it uses 'a post'. The problem is the mf2 parser sets an implied title when parsing if there is no explicit title and my code saves that as the title.
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GWG I need to figure out some logic to overcome that.
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GWG The title of a note is the same as the note.
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KevinMarks yes, GWG - it's the name parsing rule
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KevinMarks GWG is http://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery helpful?
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GWG KevinMarks, my problem is figuring out how I'm going to account for that in my own code.
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GWG Although I wouldn't mind if someone came up with such code already
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GWG For me, this is determining what type of post I'm replying to, factoring in that not all sites have microformats.
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KevinMarks I think aaronpk or rhiaro may have done this in PHP already
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GWG That's what I'm looking for. If someone wrote something that takes the output from php-mf2 and makes this decision, I can incorporate it into my logic.
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GWG It never occurred to me until now to consider presentation of a reply-context or a like based on the post type of the URL being replied to
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KevinMarks there is more of a challenge if the post being replied to is a long one
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GWG How so?
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GWG aaronpk: Do you have code such as KevinMarks suggests you might?
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kylewm GWG: maybe this https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments/blob/master/src/indieweb/comments.php#L239
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GWG kylewm: I'm trying to figure out the logic there exactly. If the name is unique, return it?
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kylewm yeah, checking whether "name" is equivalent to "content". if they are the same then $name will continue to be false
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GWG But, kylewm https://tiny.n9n.us/2015/12/09/twitter-like-test/
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GWG Here, in this Twitter example I was using, they are identical except for the URL.
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GWG It wouldn't track\
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kylewm did php-mf2-shim build that context?
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GWG kylewm: Correct.
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GWG Well, it built the mf2 properties.
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GWG The usage of them is mine.
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GWG I'm trying to test the code with the sites most regularly linked to in my opinion and at least get those consistent
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@rrrrrrrix Partially as an excuse to get a second @Matrixdotorg homeserver up with a safe-for-family domain partially as a way to build indieweb things (twitter.com/_/status/678800180703956992)
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GWG Okay, fixed the Kevin Marks tweet problem.
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GWG Sort of
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GWG If the name of the parsed entry is inside the summary, I'm unsetting the name.
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pfefferle good morning folks
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Loqi pfefferle: petermolnar left you a message on 11/30 at 2:32am: could you please add me to https://github.com/IndieWebCamp-WordPress-Outreach-Club ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-30/line/1448879548698
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petermolnar morning
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pfefferle petermolnar good morning and added :)
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petermolnar thank you
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pfefferle !tell snarfed it seems that brid.gy does not find my latest shares... do they have to be public or do I have to consider something else?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell snarfed I added a new public post, which was crawled correctly... but there are a lot of missing posts in between... can you reset the crawler in some way, that it will reparse the missing entries?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG pfefferle: Long time no see.
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pfefferle GWG yes, new job and less free time :(
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pfefferle GWG but I made a lot of progress with a facepile feature for the semantic linkback plugin!
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GWG pfefferle: Is it in the repository yet for me to look at?
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pfefferle GWG not yet... had to tweak the mf2 structure a bit
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GWG I look forward to seeing it. I haven't worked on that problem in a while. I've been working on Post Kinds for the last few weeks.
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GWG Either way, I hope I get to see more of you in future.
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pfefferle GWG sure and I hope so too :)
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@NikkiJParker The top 10 UK data-breach stories of 2015 http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2439821/the-top-10-uk-data-breach-stories-of-2015 @covata #OwnYourData @Computing_News (twitter.com/_/status/678948417675075584)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (-47) "/* HWC 2016 */ unlikely to be away" (view diff)
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@Covata RT @NikkiJParker: The top 10 UK data-breach stories of 2015 http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2439821/the-top-10-uk-data-breach-stories-of-2015 @covata #OwnYourData @Computing_News (twitter.com/_/status/678985100198060035)
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[snarfed] !tell pfefferle ugh, sorry for the trouble! looks like you've hit <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/479 , which we sadly haven't found a good answer for yet.
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Loqi [snarfed]: pfefferle left you a message 7 hours, 24 minutes ago: it seems that brid.gy does not find my latest shares... do they have to be public or do I have to consider something else? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-21/line/1450691339550
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Loqi [snarfed]: pfefferle left you a message 6 hours, 16 minutes ago: I added a new public post, which was crawled correctly... but there are a lot of missing posts in between... can you reset the crawler in some way, that it will reparse the missing entries? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-21/line/1450695433609
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: does FB "sandbox" posts made through apps?
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[snarfed] unclear. these ones specifically aren't returned by the api, by at least some other apps' are
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[snarfed] s/by/but/
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Loqi [snarfed] meant to say: unclear. these ones specifically aren't returned but the api, but at least some other apps' are
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KartikPrabhu weird
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[snarfed] FB u so crazy
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KartikPrabhu would it really hurt them to have a good documentation of what their API does and does not do!?
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aaronpk how has it been this long and I still don't have a simple IRC command to tell Loqi to watch updates of a feed and send them to IRC
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Loqi who, me?
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu: they actually have great docs. they just also have a *massive* feature surface area. way bigger than anyone else.
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KartikPrabhu hmm possibly
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KevinMarks www conference wants posters submitted as PDFs http://www2016.ca/calls-for-papers/call-for-posters.html
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tantek they have for a while - that's not new
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tantek but deserves criticism nonetheless
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GWG Howdy
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GWG Creeping towards my 2016 goals
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kylewm whoa snarfed you started using embedly? https://snarfed.org/2015-12-20_kyle-mahan-confirmed-the-wrens-she-sends-kisses-is
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kylewm really interesting, my site doesn't have twitter cards or facebook OGP stuff
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kylewm looks like it got the title from <title>, no idea where it got the description!
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ben_thatmustbeme enjoys getting a webmention from someone who he has never met or seen on IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme always end up with pending webmentions because there was no vouch, but then i get to see the new people liking stuff on my site
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tantek that's pretty cool. do you then verify them by hand and add them to a whitelist?
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tantek do you get notifications of pending webmentions?
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petermolnar this thread might be relevant to indieweb in terms of generic public vs own-your-data https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10771539
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KevinMarks Brewster did a great talk on why archiving public data is easy and cheap compared to private data
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loqi.me created /2016-01-01 (+35) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek GWG what are you 2016 goals you mentioned? Is this for launching before 2016 e.g. like the 2016-01-01 commitments?
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tantek s/are you/are your
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Loqi tantek meant to say: GWG what are your 2016 goals you mentioned? Is this for launching before 2016 e.g. like the 2016-01-01 commitments?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-21/line/1450723468101
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snarfed kylewm: re embedly, thanks! fun huh
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kylewm snarfed: yeah it looks pretty cool
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