#indiewebcamp 2015-12-09

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kylewm would it make sense to mark the person's profile url with u-url u-uid?
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snarfed1 sure! i'm guessing mf2 consumers probably wouldn't interpret that to prefer that url though
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KevinMarks_ uid is a good idea, yes
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GWG !tell tantek Jeremy Zilar is booked through 2016
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@cowboyTweet22 RT @MADLearn: #EdTech & #Mobile Matter. | Why did we build Known? http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community #edtech #indieweb https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://matter.vc/why-did-we-build-known-httpst-cotbwbm2jqk5-edtech-indieweb/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjEyNmFmYTQ1ZmFjNGI1MDc6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNESIzYsn01zAGehYih8x8K-6zwqgw (twitter.com/_/status/674400582237581312)
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@energyovertime @benwerd sorry this is not an #indieweb reply (yet!) but I like to think of it as a cast iron pan. The more I use it, the better we both get (twitter.com/_/status/674417516312039424)
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aaronpk helooooo test suite
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GWG Hello, aaronpk
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aaronpk I now have a way to simulate HTTP requests in my tests, so that's cool
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aaronpk omg i can't find an example of an actual pingback request
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aaronpk i made one up
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KevinMarks_ did it have the word "viagra" in?
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk no i need the actual xmlrpc response
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GWG KevinMarks_: It is comments like that that make people uninterested in fixing linkback spam.
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aaronpk added some test cases for pingback responses yay https://github.com/aaronpk/mention-client-php/commit/d69fb150efa254f5af09d62a2c5f6df087060a74
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aaronpk hopefully tomorrow I can do some for webmention. will be way easier to craft the HTTP responses
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@David_A_Velasco RT @schiessle: Impressive list of sites & content that just disappeared. Good to know that this can't happen to me https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths … (twitter.com/_/status/674458091413495809)
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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[snarfed] testing++
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Loqi aaronpk has 21 karma
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Loqi testing has 12 karma
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@itgawker IndieWebCamp SF hack day participants building the future of the web at Mozilla... http://tantek.com/2015/341/t3/indiewebcamp-sf-building-future-web-mozilla) -via @t https://twitter.com/itgawker/status/674481820952428546/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/674481820952428546)
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@legocoder Finally finished moving to #IndieHosters! And am proud to be part of the #IndieWeb @withknown. Read me at https://t.co/BLstH5jtJW. (twitter.com/_/status/674524411232452608)
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ben_thatmustbeme you know what, i'm a dope... i spent all that time messing with the DB setup to try to store characters like that
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ben_thatmustbeme when converting to HTML is WAY simpler
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ben_thatmustbeme and probably something i can do easily for everything i read in
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ben_thatmustbeme s/can/SHOULD/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: and probably something i SHOULD do easily for everything i read in
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tantek.com edited /2015/MIT (-38) "/* Organizers */ link to Planning" (view diff)
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petermolnar does the success-dance; letsencrypt certificates live, without a glitch
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petermolnar oh god.. I guess I should start preparing for either significant changes to Tumblr & Flicr or even their sudden death: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/technology/yahoo-alibaba-spinoff.html
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petermolnar as for Flickr, I have no idea if it's even possible to archive it
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petermolnar not as an individual, but it's an insane amount of data, so I guess archive.org would pass on this
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[snarfed] petermolnar: seems a bit premature to expect that Tumblr and Flickr are dying...?
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[snarfed] also interesting that that article's permalink has tomorrow's date
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[snarfed] the text has today's date. meh.
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petermolnar it's yahoo, there is no such thing as premature; always remember geocities
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[snarfed] a good anecdote :P
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[snarfed] also i wonder how much data Flickr does have. i bet they've said before somewhere
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aaronpk wondering how much longer I should keep support for php 5.3 and 5.4 in this library since they are both officiall EOL now
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petermolnar 5.4 is EOL? wow.
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petermolnar still thinks of 5.2 as relatively new
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek aaronpk - is it extra work?
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 15 hours, 46 minutes ago: Jeremy Zilar is booked through 2016 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449621939452
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tantek GWG, thanks for the heads-up. I'll keep trying to contact others.
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aaronpk tantek: it's only a little extra work, means I can't use the new array syntax [1,2,3] and have to do array(1,2,3) as well as some other nice syntax things
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tantek that array syntax already works in JS right? [1,2,3]
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aaronpk yeah since forever
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aaronpk the new php syntax means you should be able to get rid of any cassis code you were using to handle the old php syntax
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@tinokremer Being fully independant on the #indieweb I benifit from the tools and protocols the community has created and it's all very easy to use. (twitter.com/_/status/674627241838575616)
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aaronpk petermolnar: yeah it was EOL in September http://php.net/eol.php
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Zegnat 76% of all Wordpress’ tracked installations are on PHP 5.4 or older though. It is going to take a long time for hosts to update, I fear :(
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Zegnat https://wordpress.org/about/stats/
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aaronpk dreamhost is pretty good about proactively pushing people to upgrade PHP at least
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petermolnar Zegnat I click on the link, got "Here are some charts showing what sorts of systems people are running WordPress on.
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petermolnar (You’ll need Javascript enabled to see them.)
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Zegnat Yes, if you have not disabled JS, give it a while to load the graphs
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Zegnat It loaded terribly slow here, too
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petermolnar JS is enabled; only external, out-of-domain things are block
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petermolnar ... apparently, wordpress.org loads js from google
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Zegnat Ah, yes, it does, it uses Google’s graph JS
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Zegnat I am not blocking Google and I still have to wait a ffew seconds for that page to render though. I have no idea what WP is thinking
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petermolnar I'm not blocking anything, apart from out-of-domain requests
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petermolnar which recently made me realize that: google fonts are loaded everywhere, even where it's not used; google analytics is even more everywhere; google api are like fonts
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petermolnar ( also that most of the sites have an additional domain name for 'cdn' and domain sharding which is obsolete with http2 )
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Zegnat Yes, for my firewall settings and content blocking configs I cannot wait for people to stop this crazy domain sharding
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tommorris I have been out of the loop on PHP. they've added some nice new things in it in the last few years.
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aaronpk definitely
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aaronpk well now I am running the latest 5.6 on my laptop whee
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tommorris wait, php7 adds optional type declarations and file-level scoped strict typing? blimey.
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tommorris there's enough niceness that I could almost switch back from Python ;-)
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aaronpk just figured out how to get code coverage reports in his php tests
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[snarfed] coverage++
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Loqi coverage has 1 karma
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bear coverage++
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Loqi coverage has 2 karma
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aaronpk well that's interesting. just found an else case that was never being run
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aaronpk took it out and the tests still pass, so that's fun
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aaronpk I hope I'm not going too overboard on this.
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aaronpk It is a pretty core library though, and is being used in Known
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[snarfed] you're not! re unit testing: <https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy#tests
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Zegnat what is coverage?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coverage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108_
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snarfed coverage is a measurement of the fraction of your code that is run by unit tests.
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loqi.me created /coverage (+108) "prompted by Zegnat https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-09/line/1449683358790 and dfn added by snarfed" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed what are unit tests
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unit tests" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108a
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snarfed unit tests is /tests
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loqi.me created /unit_tests (+18) "prompted by snarfed https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-09/line/1449683652751 and dfn added by snarfed" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed not exactly, but close enough
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aaronpk woohoo got it to 100% https://rawgit.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/master/coverage/MentionClient.php.html
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 22 karma
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aaronpk and it runs in everything from 5.3 up https://travis-ci.org/indieweb/mention-client-php/builds/95869939
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cweiske i'd have thought that aaronpk has more karma now
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cweiske .. or there was an overflow :)
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snarfed he overflew
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wavis aaronpk++
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Loqi wavis: snarfed left you a message on 12/4 at 8:07am: wrote up our mobile app session yesterday. feel free to revise! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449245242002
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Loqi aaronpk has 23 karma
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@tinokremer @davidmead I don't think you have installed the #indieweb plugins (yet), here is my reply nevertheless: https://tinokremer.nl/2015/i-did-the-same-i-had-to-clean-out-a (twitter.com/_/status/674667265321750528)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/releases/tag/1.0.0 (from http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/12/09/1/indieweb) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/releases/tag/1.0.0
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aaronpk release notes!
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aaronpk !tell benwerd you will probably be interested in this: https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/releases/tag/1.0.0
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk well that was a piece of work. thought I was gonna be able to knock that out first thing sunday morning.
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kylewm woohoo, 100% code coverage, guaranteed bug free!
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aaronpk hehe
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kylewm :P
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kylewm aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 24 karma
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bear aaronpk++
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aaronpk the code coverage report is definitely misleading. it's possible to have 100% without necessarily testing all the code paths.
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aaronpk i made sure to catch the cases of that as best i could.
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bear cweiske++ for helping me the other day firm up the python indieauth library
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Loqi cweiske has 38 karma
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cweiske you're welcome
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[snarfed] yup very true
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[snarfed] coverage numbers are kind of like an upper bound
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bear aaronpk - we discovered that your indieauth endpoint is *very* flexible with how it handled token/code validation
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[snarfed] a little too flexible? :P
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cweiske .. and mine is as strict as it can get
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bear yea, so that was a great test of it and I'm glad it's now solid - I can now feel good about adding tests and generating a code coverage report
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[aaronpk] Oh? Happy to take bug reports. Tho I think some of that might be intentional for backwards compatibility, but can't remember exactly
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bear makes a note to file two reports for the issues discovered
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kylewm oh interesting, I added twttr.js embedding to woodwind (as an easy way to show quoted tweets)
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kylewm and as a side-effect it shows context for tantek's like posts
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tantek fascinating
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tantek does it show webactions for them too? (like, retweet, reply?)
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kylewm yeah it doesn't differentiate between post types for that stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme oookay, i am sooo not adding non-spacing-marks for every language in to my library that just is made to recognized single characters of emoji
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ben_thatmustbeme no no no
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/category/Mn/list.htm
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ben_thatmustbeme that would make for a HUGE regex
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tantek.com edited /Firefox_Social_API (+195) "link presentations, Wikimo page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Firefox_Activations (+57) "/* See Also */ wikimo link" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Bridgy question: Photos published to Facebook are put in album "Bridgy Photos". Can that album be safely renamed, or will Bridgy just create a new album next time?
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snarfed gRegorLove: interesting, good question. bridgy doesn't do that explicitly, so i expect it's FB that makes an app-specific album
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snarfed i don't know if it would recreate that album or keep using it under your new name
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snarfed let us know what happens!
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gRegorLove Will do.
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gRegorLove If it's not explicit, I hope FB is smart enough to use a unique ID vs name :)
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snarfed agreed!
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tantek FYI aaronpk Known supports Webmention updates, e.g. I use it to fix typos in comments on benwerd's site
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aaronpk nice!!
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tantek edit, save to site, send webmention, comment updated on werd.io
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@davidmead I have actually got the #indieweb plugin installed @tinokremer, along with a couple of others I think ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/674707187726352384)
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snarfed wow that's cool, i didn't realize anyone had implemented wm edit/update yet
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snarfed tantek: you should try sending an edit to an actual post, and see if it moderates by default or automatically applies :P
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snarfed in other news...i signed bridgy up for https://hackerone.com/ and https://bugcrowd.com/ , services that offer crowdsourced penetration testing
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snarfed ie security researchers try to break into your site or find other security holes, and let you know what they find (via responsible disclosure etc)
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tantek snarfed - I don't know of anyone accepting "edit" responses yet! I think kylewm has posted a few
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tantek for anyone using Yahoo silos, FYI: http://gizmodo.com/yahoo-is-spinning-off-everything-except-for-alibaba-1747058451
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snarfed tantek: oh i misinterpreted. got it.
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+42) "/* Publishing Software */ note Known accepts webmention updates" (view diff)
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snarfed we now have indiewebcamp orgs on both of those pen testing sites, so if anyone else wants to try using them, feel free to ping me
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snarfed whoa https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/09/firefox-os-pivot-to-connected-devices/
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@benwerd Microsoft's excellent Live Writer is now open source. Points to the first #indieweb hacker to add micropub. http://www.dotnetfoundation.org/blog/open-live-writer (twitter.com/_/status/674720342208700416)
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bear now this is going to really be handy for indieweb folks going forward: http://pine64.com/
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tantek snarfed, here is my opinion: https://twitter.com/t/status/674724067677569025
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@t Recommend non-networked appliances: https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/674700647627886592 “advised to restart the refrigerator” #IoT #AdamaWasRight (ttk.me t4ed5) (twitter.com/_/status/674724067677569025)
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bear a SBC that is powerful enough compared to a tablet or desktop but has all of the connections you expect in a desktop
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tantek What is an SBC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SBC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108b
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aaronpk how's that different from the latest raspberry pi?
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bear 64bit for one, 4k video output, 1gig of ram, optional ports for touchscreen
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bear SBC is a Single Board Computer, for example the RaspberryPI and Arduino are SBCs
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loqi.me created /SBC (+107) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-09/line/1449701780698 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek What is a RaspberryPI?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RaspberryPI" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108c
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tantek Huh, thought we did
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tantek What is an Arduino?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Arduino" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108d
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loqi.me created /RaspberryPi (+25) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Raspberry_Pi (+25) "period. see also" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /SBC (+67) "linkify. see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk I still want to set up a web server and wifi hotspot on a raspberry pi so that when you connect to the pi's hotspot it pops up the browser to the website running on it
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gregorlove.com edited /SBC (+0) "case" (view diff)
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bear gRegorLove++ for wiki gardening
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Loqi gRegorLove has 44 karma
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gRegorLove That $15 SBC looks cool. Wish TAILS could run on it.
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aaronpk it'd be tempting if the new raspberry pi wasn't $5
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gRegorLove Oh really? Wow
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bear it's interesting to me because my indieweb software stack plans include: web, xmpp, media streaming services -- all of which would not run on a single RaspberryPI
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bear I mean, it could run, but it would not be snappy (I think)