#indiewebcamp 2015-12-04

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tantek.com edited /2015/SF/Schedule (+39) "Group photo before demos" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ what is jf2?
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Loqi jf2 is a working prototype of a simpler JSON serialization of Microformats https://indiewebcamp.com/jf2
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GWG Evening
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: is there a good WordPress plugin to enable you to use your own site as an IndieAuth domain to sign into the wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449182899488
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tantek what is movile?
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GWG tantek, none.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "movile" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108K
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tantek what is mobile?
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Loqi mobile, in the context of the indieweb could refer to several related things: https://indiewebcamp.com/mobile
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wholewheattoast what is mobile-first
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mobile-first" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108L
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GWG But I would love it if logging into my site could be an indieauth option
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BWolf what is CSS
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Loqi Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are used to format the display of HTML https://indiewebcamp.com/CSS
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gRegorLove GWG: I read tantek's question differently -- how to use a WordPress site to log in using indieauth
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gRegorLove Pointed him to the rel-me plugins/options on the wiki
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+93) "be explicit about what mobile could mean, link to subsections" (view diff)
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gRegorLove movile is /mobile
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loqi.me created /movile (+19) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449188151512 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG I thought he meant plugins in that area.
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KevinMarks_ jf2 spec doesn't mention children
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tantek GWG, I did, and for the 99% use-case of enabling your personal site as a way of logging into the wiki
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tantek problem is that the WordPress Plugin named "IndieAuth" doesn't actually do that
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tantek it doesn't enable you to use your site login to other sites (e.g. the wiki) with IndieAuth
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tantek so it's confusing
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gRegorLove A plugin seems overkill for adding rel-me links
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gRegorLove Guess it depends on the theme, though
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tantek gRegorLove: if its overkill, why are the instructions so complicated on indieauth.com setup, etc. etc.
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tantek anything that has a wall of code turns off a lot of people, or gets them to give up
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KevinMarks_ could you use silo.pub? or is that only wordpress.com?
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gRegorLove Have to ask aaronpk about indieauth.com setup page :)
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tantek KevinMarks: silopub has nothing to do with logging into IndieWebCamp and setting up your site you can do so
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KevinMarks_ silo.pub walks you through setup iirc
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aaronpk eh?
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gRegorLove Agreed that this section should probably promote the most user-friendly option first, then maybe list alternatives below. https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress/Plugins#IndieAuth
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tantek like if you don't already have links to social sites, it's not obvious how to do so
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gRegorLove GWG: What do you think is the easiest for most people to add to their Wordpress of those? https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress/Plugins#IndieAuth
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@schnarfed RT @benwerd: https://brid.gy/ is arguably the most vital glue in the #indieweb universe. (twitter.com/_/status/672572632185761792)
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gRegorLove IndieAuth-Links (first one linked) indicates "This plugin hasn’t been updated in over 2 years. It may no longer be maintained or supported and may have compatibility issues when used with more recent versions of WordPress."
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gRegorLove And only confirmed compatible up to WP 3.7.11. WP is currently at ~4.2
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GWG my plugin
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GWG Syndication Links has an option for rel me links
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gRegorLove And works on current WP, nice. :)
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gRegorLove Should we make a section for outdated plugins, or just move IndieAuth-Links down with some bold text indicating it may not work with current WP?
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GWG I was planning to deprecate the hcard widget in it though
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gRegorLove Removing the rel-me links from the <head>?
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GWG No, that is a good feature, as is the alternative relme widget
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GWG I never liked the look of the widget.
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GWG Also experimenting with svg icons at KevinMarks suggestion
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gRegorLove Cool. Agreed, I like the rel-me links in the header option
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gRegorLove takes a stab at updating the paragraphs
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KevinMarks_ i just had to type ]}}]}) to close the mf2 test sample
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KevinMarks_ which is the best case for jf2 so far
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@elfpavlik @ToSDR check out https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2015/12/03/proposed-group-respectful-terms-of-service-community-group/ cc: @sandhawke @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672577934419435520)
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gRegorLove GWG, tantek: Let me know what you think of my rephrasing of https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress/Plugins#IndieAuth
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GWG I can't complain about the positive review
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bengo huzzah! http://webmention.bengo.is/discover?target=http://indiewebcamp.com
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bengo https://github.com/gobengo/webmention
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aaronpk nice!
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gRegorLove It's so weird not seeing wiki edits in here
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aaronpk why are you marking them all as minor?
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KevinMarks_ recursion--
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Loqi recursion has -1 karma
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gRegorLove bengo++
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Loqi bengo has 10 karma
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gRegorLove Oh, is minor/major what triggers it?
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aaronpk yeah
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gRegorLove Huh. I thought I'd almost always done that.
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tantek gRegorLove: I think it's best to start with the one-liner solution, rather than explanation
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gRegorLove Habit from editing wikipedia
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tantek gRegorLove: here check this out
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gRegorLove How about "The Syndication Links plugin is the recommended way to add IndieAuth support to your domain"
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tantek.com edited /WordPress/Plugins (+61) "/* IndieAuth */" (view diff)
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tantek too passive a voice. check that out ^^^
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tantek now the next problem is
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tantek when you do install the Syndication Links plugin, there is ZERO obvious information about where to enter rel=me links etc.
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tantek like zero information in the "description" of Syndication Links
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tantek so you have to hunt through the crazy WordPress UI maze (menus / submenus / submenus)
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gRegorLove Yeah, I was confused when I first clicked over to the plugin description page too
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gRegorLove I'll let GWG tackle that one
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tantek right - the whole thing is so confusing
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tantek like where is the Syndication Links UI to enter your profile links?
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GWG tantek, can you open an issue? I have updating it on my list after the Post Kinds revamp
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tantek totally not obvious from anything / anywhere
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tantek GWG, can't now too busy IRL at IndieWebCamp
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tantek GWG, can you open it?
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GWG Will try, about to leave for the airport
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gRegorLove I'll do it
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tantek Syndication Links issue: zero discoverability for how to enter social media profile links, once you have installed the plugin. The "description" does not tell you how to use Syndication Links to set up rel=me.
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tantek there's the rough description
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tantek gRegorLove: does that make sense to you?
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tantek to be clear, no one here, including myself, snarfed, etc. has been able to figure out how to make Syndication Links support rel=me anywhere
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gRegorLove Yeah
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tantek it is so confusing that all of us have failed
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snarfed i was surprised that it even added rel-me links at all, given its name
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GWG snarfed, it was a feature that I added later.
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GWG I'm not sure what syndication plus relme links e
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GWG w
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GWG equals title wise
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gRegorLove What's the repo, GWG?
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GWG dshanske/syndication-links
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gRegorLove Nevermind. Found it
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tantek GWG, gRegorLove: the larger question is, as a WordPress user (self-hosted), what is the *easiest* way (non-technical) to add support for IndieAuth?
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GWG I think that plugin, but the documentation part is a good point.
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tantek THAT is the big question/problem - onboarding people who self-host WordPress into the IndieWebCamp community - they get stuck at the VERY BEGINNING of indiewebify.me
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gRegorLove I think that plugin, with an improved UI/instructions, is best.
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gRegorLove At the moment.
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tantek well, step 2
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tantek "2. Set up Web Sign In"
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gRegorLove Perhaps it could be a separate plugin so the naming is clearer.
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tantek and there are a bunch of deadends
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tantek e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain has no mention of WordPress (only code)
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GWG I will give the idea thought
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth has no mention of what a WordPress user should do either
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GWG Off to Laguardia
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gRegorLove GWG opened an issue and I dropped your comment in, tantek, along with link to this discussion
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tantek https://indieauth.com/setup has zero mention of WordPress
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@energyovertime Using my personal website to post a tweet. Bridgy makes this possible. #indieweb (http://bradleyallen.info/2015/337/first-indietweet.html) (twitter.com/_/status/672584185828085760)
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tantek so no matter what "setup" or "get started link" a WordPress user clicks on, they get immediately lost and/or overwhelmed with code
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tantek that's the larger problem
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tantek Bradley, this was my first (semi)automatic POSSE to Twitter: https://twitter.com/t/status/8228455558
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@t Declaring independence is one thing, building it is another. http://ttk.me/t43W1 (twitter.com/_/status/8228455558)
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tantek ok I'm done venting about IndieAuth setup on WordPress (for today :) )
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tantek Thanks for listening gRegorLove GWG
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gRegorLove Gladly
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@feedthegirl @dariusdunlap - Interesting, this webmention… (twitter.com/_/status/672586226738659329)
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dariusdunlap Alas… still broken. *sigh*
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aaronpk benwerd: this says Known already has an expanded JSON format for syndicate-to? https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#Discovering_Supported_Syndication_Targets
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KevinMarks_ OK, web service for mf2 to jf2
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dariusdunlap Spent too much time today paying down technical debt. install a better theme, requires WP 4.4, but then enable a plugin and it breaks the entire site. Fix that (FTP ftw!), and then start again, checking all this stuff I thought I alrelady had working.
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dkevinmarks.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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KevinMarks_ does not yet handle children
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KevinMarks_ bottom box on http://www.unmung.com
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro: hope that helps
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+276) "/* With other profiles */ only link to other profiles that a person provides on their personal site" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+703) "/* Discovering Supported Syndication Targets */" (view diff)
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aaronpk benwerd: https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#jf2_format
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: what I decided to do today was get POSSE working with https://silo.pub/ on my site (twitter.com/_/status/672589559826354176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm going to sign up for https://silo.pub/ with my temp account and authorize it (twitter.com/_/status/672589820963758080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I now have the micropub access token stored in my site (twitter.com/_/status/672590182038773760)
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF/Schedule (+170) "After party: The Creamery SF" (view diff)
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@pkdev Test post to http://pk.dev that should also end up on twitter! <a href="/tag/indieweb">#<span… (twitter.com/_/status/672590417548808193)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: my post worked to my site and it sent it out to twitter too https://twitter.com/pkdev/status/672590417548808193 (twitter.com/_/status/672590633538859008)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: (twitter.com/_/status/672590637871570944)
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snarfed DEMO TIME
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: so I don't need to write twitter, facebook or flickr oath code any more, thanks kyle (twitter.com/_/status/672590758969520129)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @obra: I have been getting wordpress comments into Known, learning about php data structures (twitter.com/_/status/672590955774636032)
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@dangillmor RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm going to sign up for https://silo.pub/ with my temp account and authorize it (twitter.com/_/status/672591117397835776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @obra: Comments came in great into known, and then I looked at my mail, and it was all comment notifications (twitter.com/_/status/672591124826034176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: We talked about POSSE today - bridgy and https://silo.pub/ both will POSSE to your site (twitter.com/_/status/672591446734708736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I have got a lot of requests to make bridgy publish have mroe features (twitter.com/_/status/672591524874608640)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I now have the micropub access token stored in my site (twitter.com/_/status/672591690348261377)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I have now let you set up bridgy publish that lets you mark up your post for which part to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/672591733868376068)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I add a custom microformat p-bridgy-twitter-content to the post for the twitter excerpt (twitter.com/_/status/672592083702693888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I customised it manually so I had to duplicate text (twitter.com/_/status/672592295921889281)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: next, I want to talk about events. We had 4 different ways to RSVP today web site, eventbrite, mf post, fb (twitter.com/_/status/672592466269364225)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: there was also a way to rsvp on my meetup (twitter.com/_/status/672592535055921154)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: if there is a known venue capacity, the event can keep track of the numbers and decide between waitlist and getting in (twitter.com/_/status/672592668971659264)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: What if you issue tickets? you can give them a url to the ticket in the reply to their webmention (twitter.com/_/status/672592781064445952)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: as people come in, you get people to indieauth into the website and see their RSVPs (twitter.com/_/status/672592894700732416)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: then you don't need a ticket at all - you can just log in (twitter.com/_/status/672592948794671104)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: I throw events for my job - you have to RSVP at eventbrite and pay to get a ticket (twitter.com/_/status/672593084954378241)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: theer are tones of unknown questions here - rsvping and checking tickets - payments are an open question (twitter.com/_/status/672593220937883648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: could you send the data from eventbrite to your site (twitter.com/_/status/672593300956782592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: you could also use an indieweb checkin on arrival in lieu of a ticket (twitter.com/_/status/672593517051568129)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: next, I want to talk about events. We had 4 different ways to RSVP today web site, eventbrite, mf pos… (twitter.com/_/status/672593694927814657)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: there was also a way to rsvp on my meetup (twitter.com/_/status/672593695913431041)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: if there is a known venue capacity, the event can keep track of the numbers and decide between waitli… (twitter.com/_/status/672593696827817984)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: What if you issue tickets? you can give them a url to the ticket in the reply to their webmention (twitter.com/_/status/672593697406590977)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: as people come in, you get people to indieauth into the website and see their RSVPs (twitter.com/_/status/672593698090262528)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: then you don't need a ticket at all - you can just log in (twitter.com/_/status/672593698740379649)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: I throw events for my job - you have to RSVP at eventbrite and pay to get a ticket (twitter.com/_/status/672593699424100352)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: theer are tones of unknown questions here - rsvping and checking tickets - payments are an open quest… (twitter.com/_/status/672593700141277184)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: could you send the data from eventbrite to your site (twitter.com/_/status/672593700812431360)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Bryn_Wolf: I worked out how to do a person tag all on one line - one using tantek who uses bridgy, one alex (twitter.com/_/status/672593876981542912)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Bryn_Wolf: I signed up with bridgy and sent a person tag to facebook, and tanetk was notified on facebook, but alex wasn't (twitter.com/_/status/672594082959597568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: the bugs are entirely bridgy's not Bryn's (twitter.com/_/status/672594205479469056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm off -see you in portland in june (twitter.com/_/status/672594264426160129)
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@alenevince RT kevinmarks: #indieweb aaronpk: I'm going to sign up for https://silo.pub/ with my temp account and authorize it (twitter.com/_/status/672594487969980418)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Bryn_Wolf: I made a new blogpost and sent that to twitter via bridgy and that worked (twitter.com/_/status/672594490490769408)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Bryn_Wolf: and I set up rel-me so I can sign into the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/672594546384084992)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: today I decided that I hate Known, so I'm going to export my known site to wordpress rss (twitter.com/_/status/672594918129442816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: then I go into wordpress- I love wordpress - and import the RSS feed (twitter.com/_/status/672595007321341952)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: and look all my posts are now live in wordpress instead of known (though the images are still on known) (twitter.com/_/status/672595218189967360)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I have a double demo: I started on my new webmention endpoint - it doesn't process them but queues them (twitter.com/_/status/672595528086110208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: it returns all the correct headers and status page for the webmention (twitter.com/_/status/672595608977465344)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: anyone can sign into my site, but you can't do anything unless you are me (twitter.com/_/status/672595891702906880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: but I can see the queue of pending webmentions, which I may use for moderation (twitter.com/_/status/672595975471542276)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: If you send em webmentions I will queue them in text files (twitter.com/_/status/672596075568619521)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: My site this morning was a static page on github (twitter.com/_/status/672596278090579968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: now I'm running a node js server on heroku, and I'm posting notes (twitter.com/_/status/672596393194860545)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: I have retroactively RSVPd to indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672596435406340096)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: adn them I realised wiht bridgy I can tweet from my website (twitter.com/_/status/672596541803245570)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: and so a monster has been created - now I'm running (twitter.com/_/status/672596629774540800)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: I started out not thinking what to do from a design point of view (twitter.com/_/status/672596768220160000)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: so I learned from tantek to use the day of the year instead of the month (twitter.com/_/status/672596873300045824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: thank you everybody for getting me up and running (twitter.com/_/status/672596973082554368)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: I haven't sat down and coded a homepage from scratch in ages, so I redesigned my homepage to show more (twitter.com/_/status/672597437933047808)
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tantek kevinmarks - FYI Bradley Allen is @energyovertime (for future noterliving)
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KevinMarks_ I couldn't remeber so I just had his name and url
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GWG Hoping to hear more Wordpress feedback
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: this is the page for the event and in order to send an RSVP I needed to do a webmention (twitter.com/_/status/672597963672322049)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: so I made a new webmention-discovery tool in node (twitter.com/_/status/672598119029321728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: it will show the endpoint on standard out (twitter.com/_/status/672598185685196803)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I also made a little htp server that will let you discover webmention endpoints (twitter.com/_/status/672598361468510209)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: now it is at http://webmention-utils.herokuapp.com if you want to try it out (twitter.com/_/status/672598508298493952)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have something small to demo, so I'll do that (twitter.com/_/status/672598828202217472)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I try to get design work done by writing things down as I go along in irc or the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/672598989850714113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: while working with kyle and bryn on person tags I came up wiht a way to show how to markup (twitter.com/_/status/672599150702235651)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: when you person tag someone with their indieweb site you may want to person tag them on other profiles as well (twitter.com/_/status/672599352339206145)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I made a person link wiht a person emoji and links with t and f, but they come out unlinked (twitter.com/_/status/672599524897103872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: instead I just used the favicons for twitter and facebook, so the person tags go through without the links (twitter.com/_/status/672599664840044544)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: not everyone want their personal site and their facebook site correlated (twitter.com/_/status/672599761350991872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so you should only link to their other profiles if they provide those links from their site (twitter.com/_/status/672599858977628160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I am going to use those techniques on my site (twitter.com/_/status/672600020114391044)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: these favicons are hotlinked from google plus's favicon cache (twitter.com/_/status/672600119011876864)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: when you person tag someone with their indieweb site you may want to person tag them on other profiles as well (twitter.com/_/status/672600728343592960)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: when you person tag someone with their indieweb site you may want to person tag them on other profiles as well (twitter.com/_/status/672600729526366209)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I want to give tantek and kyle and andi a big hand for organising (twitter.com/_/status/672601603338346496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: and to tantek, amy, kevin, ben, sandro and the others working on the #socialwg to standardise this (twitter.com/_/status/672601744128495616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: next homebrew website club is december 16th, back here at mozilla (twitter.com/_/status/672601865499099140)
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[aaronpk] Wait what Ben is switching to Wordpress??
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[aaronpk] I hope that was a joke
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KevinMarks Creamery is closed for a private event
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KevinMarks That was his export demo and him being dry
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@davidmead Would love to know how @benwerd did this @kevinmarks. I can only create an RSS of a few posts... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/12/03/im-going-to-export-my-known-site-to-wordpress-rss/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672606877402816513)
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@aaronpk @benwerd 👍 My mom taught me how to program in BASIC. My aunt taught me HTML. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672606988006649856)
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aaronpk Dry British humor doesn't translate well to text :-P
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@benwerd @aaronpk My mom taught me BASIC too! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672610498135859201)
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KevinMarks_ so is jf2 supposed to only take the first item?
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KevinMarks_ I coded it that way
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KevinMarks_ so it gets the first post for aaronpk.com
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[aaronpk] If the original mf2 has multiple values then the jf2 should too. It's just supposed to help with the simple case which is most properties have one value
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KevinMarks_ and the feed for kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks_ but the top level object is a dictionary
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[aaronpk] My home page micro formats need some work too, not the best example
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Faaronpk.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I didn't complete my plan to have fragmention highlights today - I wrote up the plan at https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kevinmarks.com#distributed%20highlight%posts (twitter.com/_/status/672614476722647040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I do have my webmention endpoint up at http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ and accepting fragmention webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/672616354978119680)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: it will also retrive them for a page or domain eg http://mention-tech.appspot.com/listmentions?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com%2Findiewebcampsf2015am.html (twitter.com/_/status/672616491490123776)
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@dariusdunlap IndieWebCamp dinner! (@ The @IronCactusSf in San Francisco, CA w/ @t) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/lP8wXevG81G (twitter.com/_/status/672616659090350080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: what I want to do is return a useful version of these in jf2 format so they can be shown on the site (twitter.com/_/status/672616661682413569)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: So I started making a python microformats 2 to jf2 translator, which is up at https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py (twitter.com/_/status/672616841240555520)
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@ihaveears "And Gregorian months are really inelegant." #indieweb indiewebcamp #337 (twitter.com/_/status/672617158031970304)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: making tests for it justified the jf2 simplification as not having to end lines with ]}}]}), https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2test.py#L42 (twitter.com/_/status/672617200042254336)
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@seh RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: So I started making a python microformats 2 to jf2 translator, which is up at https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py (twitter.com/_/status/672617554263842816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: as usual I added a live version to unmung,com right down the bottom, to try it out (twitter.com/_/status/672617773617553408)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: this will simplify http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com&html=&pretty=on to http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fkevinmarks.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on though that is missing child objects (twitter.com/_/status/672617883911004161)
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rhiaro What is ToS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ToS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108M
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rhiaro What is terms of service?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "terms of service" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108N
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@mshook #json #kevinmarks #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/672617883911004161 (twitter.com/_/status/672619672051822592)
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[aaronpk] Are demos still going or something?
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KevinMarks_ no, I am catchup noterliving my demo
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GWG I wish I had travel posts right now
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KevinMarks_ so I can have it on my site
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KevinMarks_ also i need to retrieve bens tweeting of mine in the am
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: So awesome. @obra has been importing old posts - important memories - into his @withknown site. #indieweb https://t.co/iJApWHP… (twitter.com/_/status/672620648456302592)
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aaronpk nice
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rhiaro so I'm thinking I'll switch webmention.io to my new endpoint already aaronpk
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rhiaro which will force me not to put off the verification
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aaronpk Even though it doesn't do anything yet?
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rhiaro yeah, it queues, so I can process them when I can process them
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aaronpk ha
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rhiaro but also
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rhiaro I don't trust it
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aaronpk well that's one way to motivate you
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aaronpk why don't you trust it?
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rhiaro ha because I don't trust myself
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rhiaro Sooooo I might make it send them to webmention.io itself
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rhiaro as a backup
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rhiaro Since we're not doing the multiple endpoints thing?
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk yeah
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rhiaro But that'd work
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aaronpk wtf iPhone suggested I type "which shapeshifter" as a reply
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rhiaro hahaha
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aaronpk the robots haven't won yet
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rhiaro times like these I'm not too worried
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aaronpk Sorry to miss Iron Cactus! I like that place!
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KevinMarks_ you could send them to mine, then it will ping though to yours
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KevinMarks_ this is the exact scenario we discussed, switching form one to another
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KevinMarks_ :D
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rhiaro I want them to come to mine first
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KevinMarks_ that's reasonable
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KevinMarks_ I like the idea of redundantly stored webmentions
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rhiaro oh hey, I already store them as json, I should make them as2:Mentions
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aaronpk i just realized I should only advertise a ping back endpoint on my actual blog posts, not on all my posts. That will probably cut down the amount of spam I have to verify a lot
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KevinMarks_ I need to make mine cache fetching better before I go mad pinging it
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KevinMarks_ the indiewebify.me sender would DDoS it
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KevinMarks_ as I'd fetch the source page for each outbound link
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@kevinmarks My notes from the closing demos of IndiewebCamp SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsf2015pm.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672624543219847168)
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KevinMarks_ it's funny how loqi sends the link before known has returned from the POSSE excursion
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Loqi grins profusely
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rhiaro yeah, and with wiki updates too
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: My notes from the closing demos of IndiewebCamp SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsf2015pm.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672625076731305984)
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KevinMarks_ does Loqi accept webmentions?
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GWG That would be fun
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tantek gives Loqi a webmention
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Loqi throws the webmention
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GWG I'm thinking of using the same entry field for published date and event start date.
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rhiaro ooh, controversial GWG
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rhiaro I like to track when I published an event as well as the start date
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rhiaro What's a good reason not to?
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GWG This is citation published date, not post published
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GWG I just started storing it
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GWG I don't even display it yet.
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GWG I've scheduled that coding for this week
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GWG I just added a bunch of new fields. I want to get time working
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GWG Anyone know a good time picker?
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tantek have you tried <input type="time" /> ?
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GWG I was going to, but I wasn't sure about iso8601
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GWG I don't know about browser support either.
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GWG But you never know till you try
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GWG What is the best way to get user input of a complete date, time, and timezone?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to get user input of a complete date, time, and timezone" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108P
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@kylewmahan RT @aaronpk: @benwerd 👍 My mom taught me how to program in BASIC. My aunt taught me HTML. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672634998181130240)
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@kylewmahan Sometimes I leave #indiewebcamp encouraged by how much has been done, sometimes I leave excited about how much work… https://kylewm.com/2015/12/sometimes-i-leave-indiewebcamp-encouraged-by-how (twitter.com/_/status/672635365623119872)
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kylewm (in the above tweet, I may have used excited as a more positive version of "daunted")
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kylewm and the silo.pub bug that happened during aaronpk's demo is no longer reproduceable, which further confirms my belief in demo gnomes
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GWG I'm confused about datetime vs datetime-local
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@Bryn_Wolf https://m.soundcloud.com/glassanimals/gooey-gilligan-moss-remix-1 good tunes for the ride home from #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672644560778952704)
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@Bryn_Wolf https://m.soundcloud.com/vallisalps/young some sexy nighttime music to code, write and compute to. #indiewebcamp @tantek @AlexTheJourno @ekai @Darren (twitter.com/_/status/672645615931621379)
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aaronpk kylewm: wat really?
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aaronpk That is bizarre
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aaronpk I will try to reproduce it again
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aaronpk Wait that's redundant
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aaronpk I will try to reproduce it
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kylewm aaronpk: I at least made it so it'd give an error message instead of 500
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kylewm so plz let me know if you get the error message
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gRegorLove GWG: Lately I've been using <input type="date" /> and using PHP's DateTime for validation and standardizing the format. It accepts a lot of variants, so if the browser doesn't support type="date" it still usually works.
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gRegorLove If you want to get fancy, Modernizr lets you query the browser's support for date fields, and you could show format hints or even add a jQuery picker.
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gRegorLove What is Modernizr?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Modernizr" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108Q
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gRegorLove Modernizr https://modernizr.com is a javascript tool for detecting browser support for HTML/CSS features.
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GWG I want that broad support
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katieconforti.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (+292) "/* RSVPs from Eventbrite */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove input type="date" falls back to a text field, so as long as your code validates it will work for everyone.
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gRegorLove same for input type="time"
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acegiak hey all
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 17 hours, 18 minutes ago: I see it on mine as well. Not sure how that happened. Will fix as part of the view rewrite this week. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449146367181
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acegiak coolios
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acegiak GWG: also: noticed a bug: unicode characters cause metadata to not be saved for some reason. It's not too much trouble removing any emoji etc from my citation data for the moment but I thought you should know because it's becoming more common
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acegiak I can raise an issue on github to track it if you like
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kylewm aaronpk: if i start generating random tokens and storing them in silopub, should i generate a new one on each authorization? or give the user the same access token each time they authorize a given client/site/scope?
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KevinMarks Kylewm, does woodwind not show summary + featured? Or is kevinmarks.com homepage marked up wrong for you?
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kylewm KevinMarks: no it just shows content
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks I thought post type detection said to look in summary next?
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+320) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Bryn Wolf" (view diff)
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KevinMarks So thinking about Ryan's bridgy publish change today, summary could be good for that too
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kylewm I think it already uses summary if it exists
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kylewm I can never remember the order but summary preempts name or content
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GWG acegiak: One of the sanitizing functions maybe?
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@mcaleaa You might have 1000 friends on FB. But, only if you reduce your definition of what a friend is. #indieweb @sanduhrs https://twitter.com/mothersele/status/672427488056844288 (twitter.com/_/status/672686316895752192)
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acegiak GWG: I took out both instances of wp_kses and still seeing it
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acegiak if I submit something with emoji in the citation nothing but the url gets saved
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@wholewheattoast Quick transcribing my notes from indiewebcamp. ### Things mentioned to pay attention to * lets-encrypt *… (http://wholewheattoast.com/2015/12/03/indiiewebcamp-sf.html) (twitter.com/_/status/672689924596826112)
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KevinMarks Let's encrypt just went public beta
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KevinMarks https://letsencrypt.org/2015/12/03/entering-public-beta.html
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wholewheattoast I saw that, will have to give it a go.
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tantek http://www.darrenmothersele.com/blog/2015/12/03/work-in-progress/ linked to /monoculture
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Relequest test
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Relequest /join #iphonedev
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@mothersele should be at indiemark level 2 soon :) http://www.darrenmothersele.com/blog/2015/12/03/work-in-progress/ #indieweb #ownyouridentity (twitter.com/_/status/672751085916954624)
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@waako RT @mothersele: should be at indiemark level 2 soon :) http://www.darrenmothersele.com/blog/2015/12/03/work-in-progress/ #indieweb #ownyouridentity (twitter.com/_/status/672752889786449920)
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[shaners] What's the deal with markup like `<tag http://indiewebcamp.com />`?
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[shaners] I've seen it mentioned a few times in channel now. But don't remember seeing an origin story for it.
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petermolnar is there a recommended formatting on p-category for a h-entry? because my currenty ul/li combination parses as tag1\n\t\t\ttag2... with the http://pin13.net/mf2/ parser and that is not necessarily nice
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petermolnar rephrasing: should the p-category class be applied to each tag or to the container with all the tags?
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kylewm one p-category per tag
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petermolnar ah, I got that one wrong
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petermolnar thanks
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[aaronpk] shaners: I think something might be weird with the IRC/Slack bridge trying to translate the two syntaxes. Can you point me to the slack logs for where you saw that?
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aaronpk so uh, https://letsencrypt.org/ doesn't have any indication of how you're actually supposed to use it
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aaronpk no signup link or anything
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[shaners] Aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/indiewebcamp/p1449207437000012
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[aaronpk] hahaha oh man
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[shaners] https://letsencrypt.org/howitworks/
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aaronpk would be nice if "in public beta" linked to some sort of instructions
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snarfed nah that'd be too easy
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[shaners] HTTPS question: do I need a cert per domain on my site: veganstraightedge.com and <http://sbb.me|sbb.me>?
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[shaners] Or can I use one cert for both?
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aaronpk i believe you'd need individual letsencrypt certs for each
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petermolnar you need 2
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[shaners] Ok
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aaronpk but some cert authorities let you put multiple domains in a cert
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aaronpk take a look at the cert on https://indiewebcamp.com for example
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[shaners] Gotcha
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aaronpk test weird markup in <slack />
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[aaronpk] yay
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Loqi woot
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snarfed.org created /2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps (+2591) "session notes" (view diff)
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snarfed great to see you yesterday aaronpk! hope the flight was uneventful
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snarfed also just fyi, i think Loqi used to notify here on "minor" wiki changes as well as major
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snarfed i think that chnaged only recently
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snarfed !tell kylewm,wavis,benwerd wrote up our mobile app session yesterday. feel free to revise! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps
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aaronpk yes easy flight back! great to see you too!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk yeah I made minor wiki edits not go to IRC yesterday
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aaronpk (sorry for another test for slack: linking to /notes and [[notes]])
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[aaronpk] much better
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snarfed aaronpk++ i like it
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Loqi aaronpk has 18 karma
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[aaronpk] that should help shaners
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[shaners] Thanks!
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@kevinmarks @jgmac1106 ah, I suspect there is a problem with URLs not being there. As my test cases are mainly indieweb people I have a bias (twitter.com/_/status/672813186676973568)
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@veganstraightedge Five years later, #indieweb is pretty close to doing what #DiSo 2.0 was theorizing. That's pretty exciting. http://tantek.com/2010/034/t2/diso-2-personal-domains-shortener-hatom-push-relmeauth (twitter.com/_/status/672813910068748289)
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@aaronpk @veganstraightedge wow yeah! Other than 3 & 4 (implementation details), the only one relatively unexplored is 9! #indieweb #DiSo (twitter.com/_/status/672815625245339649)
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aaronpk !tell kylewm Still is reproducible for me but at least now it's showing me the specific error: "Error fetching credentials [{'message': 'Invalid or expired token.', 'code': 89}]"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell tantek I've not forgotten http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-14/line/1447540652988 but to be honest, it takes a loooong time trying to think like someone who had recently (as in after MySpace) started with the web, and it's harder than I thought.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm aaronpk: crud :[ I'm at a loss for debugging that one. it started working for me last night
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Loqi kylewm: snarfed left you a message 30 minutes ago: wrote up our mobile app session yesterday. feel free to revise! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449245242002
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aaronpk weird
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Loqi kylewm: aaronpk left you a message 4 minutes ago: Still is reproducible for me but at least now it's showing me the specific error: "Error fetching credentials [{'message': 'Invalid or expired token.', 'code': 89}]" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449246815102
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aaronpk my only thought is that it's caching my previous token instead of using the new one
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kylewm I tried removing my twitter credentials from silopub's DB and opening it in a private browser window to try and eliminate that case...
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kylewm should I try removing yours?
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aaronpk sure
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aaronpk for spampk
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kylewm aaronpk: try again?
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aaronpk worked!
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kylewm good news for you, bad news for me :P
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[shaners] 1. Naming things.
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[shaners] 2. Cache invalidation
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[shaners] 3. Off by one errors
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aaronpk i'm confused
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kylewm same
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kylewm well i'm reproducing the error again now
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kylewm snarfed: this was the thing you were thinking of yesterday with twitter oauth weirdness right? https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/blob/master/oauth_dropins/twitter.py#L133
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@jgmac1106 #indieweb netgrrl: I like to do a literature review to orient myself to learn what I can contribute and who are the names (twitter.com/_/status/672821523871309824)
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@_edjw #indieweb @waxpancake: (twitter.com/_/status/672825584691625984)
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snarfed kylewm: yup that's the place. two oddities described in that comment. not sure if either is what you're hitting though
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GWG !tell acegiak https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/wp_encode_emoji Maybe?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 #lra15 @jgmac1106: We are trying to make point that we can't force kids into content silos where they do no own their identity. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672841724805386241)
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+161) "Related Sessions / Mobile Phone Apps" (view diff)
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: just fyi we spent some time looking at mobilepub in our mobile app session at iwc sf yesterday! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps
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ben_thatmustbeme oh god
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: KevinMarks_ left you a message 20 hours, 50 minutes ago: http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=kevinmarks.com&op=mf2-jf2 seems to mung my URLs - they all come out as "url": "http://www.kevinmarks.comkevinmarks.com", http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449183612438
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ben_thatmustbeme that must have been a "this is really broken right now"
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: KevinMarks_ left you a message 20 hours, 47 minutes ago: ah it works with http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=http://kevinmarks.com&op=mf2-jf2 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449183781965
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: fixed
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snarfed lol
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snarfed kylewm did have a bit of trouble authing with it...
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KevinMarks_ yay
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Loqi yay!
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snarfed ...but still, it maybe does seem like the most promising way forward of all the options we discussed
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snarfed we'd love your input on the session notes!
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, so i managed to fix the auth thing by just not using their build system, and now the saved posts part seems broken
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ben_thatmustbeme i greatly invite PRs
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snarfed ok!
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ben_thatmustbeme "Ben Roberts is extremely prolific," don't think i've ever been called that :)
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme++
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ben_thatmustbeme there are some problems with the cordova route, its not always "Write ONCE" there are a number of plugins and such that only run in one environment
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 126 karma
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snarfed sure
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snarfed write once, with caveats
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KevinMarks_ has it kept up with the browser changes?
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ben_thatmustbeme I had tried to get it handling the share intent, but i could not figure out getting the data from the intent
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aaronpk my take on those kinds of things is the benefit is more that you can write the app in HTML/JS rather than the benefit being "write once"
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ben_thatmustbeme it seemed to be broken
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, that is very nice
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ben_thatmustbeme something we are very used to, no need to dig too heavily in to a new language
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snarfed often at the cost of compromised look and feel
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snarfed maybe only a little compromised, maybe a lot
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aaronpk usually more on the "feel"
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tantek and even then, only some of the feels, not all of them
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 30 minutes ago: I've not forgotten http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-14/line/1447540652988 but to be honest, it takes a loooong time trying to think like someone who had recently (as in after MySpace) started with the web, and it's harder than I thought. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449246938844
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aaronpk it can definitely be done right. Slack is a great example
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tantek petermolnar: yes, such perspective resets are often challenging
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/slackhq/status/426469205005705217
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@SlackHQ @Rahul @q42 Java messaging server + LAMP for core app/APIs + JS client + MacGap + native mobile (Objective-C for iOS/Java for Android). 💆 (twitter.com/_/status/426469205005705217)
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kylewm snarfed++ thank you for writing up the notes
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kylewm aaronpk: wait, I'm confused what slack is an example of
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kylewm my reading is they built separate native apps for both platforms
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aaronpk hm now i'm re-reading that and getting that impression too
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aaronpk but the desktop app is JS with macgap, so I wonder if at least part of the mobile apps (maybe the chat area) is also that?
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KevinMarks_ gillmor gang time
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aaronpk kylewm: did you just change the "me" value that is returned from silo.pub or something?
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aaronpk aha you did! https://github.com/kylewm/silo.pub/commit/c488459ecea2c5709aac362d0449afe93eaabd88#diff-db624baeab21e1fd0a61f50a0e1a6776L182
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GWG Was just looking at custom messages in Bridgy per silo
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GWG I think I need to upgrade my Bridgy Publish plugin.
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kylewm aaronpk: oops! that was a mistake
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snarfed GWG: cool! so you might make your plugin use https://brid.gy/about#silo-content ?
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kylewm aaronpk: i put it back now. it's using shorter random tokens now
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kylewm instead of the self-encoded ones
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aaronpk ah cool
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kylewm with the hope that some day i'll give the option to revoke certain tokens
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GWG All my plugin is is a checkbox that adds the empty link for Bridgy publish and sends the webmention
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GWG So marking things up would work
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aaronpk guess I need to give myself a "delete" button now
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Jeena This is kind of on topic: https://jeena.net/firefox-sync-15 I described how I got a self hosted Firefox sync server working, even with my Android phone
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aaronpk kylewm: does the twitter API still have the parameter where you can put in the username of the user you're expecting? that would help in the case where I'm adding muliple twitter accounts but am not logged in to the right one
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aaronpk so when I use https://silo.pub/twitter.com/spampk as my indieauth URL, you can pass "spampk" as the twitter user you're expecting which will cause twitter to not automatically redirect back to your app if i'm logged in as a different user
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kylewm https://github.com/kylewm/silo.pub/blob/master/silopub/twitter.py#L107
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aaronpk it does already?
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kylewm it's supposed to... looking now
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KevinMarks_ talking indieweb on GG
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kylewm aaronpk: yeah it should be working... i just logged in and it authenticated with /authenticate?screen_name=kylewmahan
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KevinMarks_ that sounds like it could work better than their client
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aaronpk huh I see it in the query string but it's not stopping my browser from redirecting
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kylewm you're right... hmmm
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aaronpk oh, it's twitter's fault
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aaronpk "Prefills the username input box of the OAuth login screen with the given value."
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KevinMarks_ so can I hook ownyourgram straight up to twitter now?
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kylewm I guess I need to set force_login=true?
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aaronpk from https://dev.twitter.com/oauth/reference/get/oauth/authenticate
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KevinMarks_ via silo.pub?
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aaronpk ahh yeah that would do it
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: omg haha i think you can
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aaronpk that's kind of brilliant
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KevinMarks_ says Invalid "me" Parameter The ID you entered, https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kevinmarks is not valid.
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kylewm aaronpk: KevinMarks_: OK I added force_login to both authenticate and authorize
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kylewm for you multiaccount power users
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KevinMarks_ do I need to retry?
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kylewm KevinMarks_: yeah my guess/hope is you were logged in as another account
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kylewm and it should be fixed now?
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KevinMarks_ ownyourgram is still saying invalid me
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aaronpk kylewm++ nice that worked
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: oh that sounds like an ownyourgram issue
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KevinMarks_ "just signed up for woodwind 1:46 PM NO WAY is anyone without a developer background is gonna know how to use this 1:46 PM you need your own website just to sign up"
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KevinMarks_ from https://chat.center/gillmorgang
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Jeena Is there a way to get some IndieWebCamp stickers which untill february for my talk? Or perhaps I can just take some vector graphics and make my own, but I don't quite know where.
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aaronpk Jeena: yeah I can send you some!
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aaronpk I have a whole bunch
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Jeena that would be awesome as a gift to the people who will attend :) I'll send you my address in a query
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: try logging in again
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KevinMarks_ Could not find your authorization endpoint! now
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aaronpk oh well that's odd
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kylewm KevinMarks_: you're not demoing silopub are you?
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kylewm it's brokenish
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KevinMarks_ no, I was testign first
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KevinMarks_ :D
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KevinMarks_ I have learned
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@andigalpern RT @aaronpk: @whaity There are some notes here http://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll and several people are doing it! (twitter.com/_/status/672896111053422593)
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KevinMarks_ after wednesday and yesterday, I'm testing demos first
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KevinMarks_ is this up to date http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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jeena.net edited /sync (+477) "/* Firefox Sync */" (view diff)
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kylewm KevinMarks_: no
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kylewm "See Original" is not visible anymore
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KevinMarks_ that's what I remembered
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kylewm that twitter auth UI kind of sucks... the only indication for what account you are signed in with is the little icon hidden in the upper right
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aaronpk yeah
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KevinMarks_ which is still more than the mobile app
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KevinMarks_ mobile app sends me notifications of highlights from another account
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KevinMarks_ after I view them I'm logged in as that account
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KevinMarks_ invisibly
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aaronpk yup
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kylewm whoa
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aaronpk it's a "feature"
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aaronpk so that if you fav a tweet or something it comes from the right account
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KevinMarks_ could silo.pub force an inline auth?
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kylewm what does that mean?
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KevinMarks_ think of woodwind having a 'login with twitter' button that goes straight through silo.pub without haviing to signup first
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KevinMarks_ for the use case from GG above
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kylewm hehe, I guess you could? Not sure I want to open WW up to all of twitter
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KevinMarks_ no, quite
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kylewm I'm also not sure that publishing indie replies/likes/reposts to twitter would make sense to people
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aaronpk that's kind of hilarious
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aaronpk huh I broke woodwind or something. i'm just causing problems for kyle left and right today
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aaronpk i signed up using silo.pub, added two subscriptions, at one point I saw "30 new items", but nothing is on the home page.
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aaronpk I see them in subscriptions, and "view posts" shows them
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kylewm oh man
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kylewm ah, i see it...
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kylewm are they showing up now working now aaronpk?
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kylewm why am i so bad at typing today
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aaronpk yup!
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aaronpk but now i don't have a reply form even tho i configured it with micropub
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kylewm thank you for finding bugs and sorry you are having to :)
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kylewm it's hidden until you click somewhere on the post
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aaronpk oh crazy
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aaronpk i would have thought at least the "favorite" button would show up without first clicking
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kylewm i originally tried to have just the three buttons and reply would open the tray, but i got stuck for some reason
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kylewm i agree that would be better
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kylewm i guess the problem was where to put the syndication buttons
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KevinMarks_ hm, jf2 is fiddly wiht only one child
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/AmyDentata/status/672919797563301888
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@AmyDentata Twitter, if the Moments tab is so unused you have to switch tab orders to make people click it, by mistake, maybe just stop (twitter.com/_/status/672919797563301888)
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