#indiewebcamp 2015-11-19

2015-11-19 UTC
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sandro thanks for that 'autistic social networks' pointer, KevinMarks
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tantek yes that's a very good one kevinmarks
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tbrb /b 15
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tbrb .. ignore me, I accidentally put a space
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andicascadesf See you guys tonight!
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@kylewmahan @roombaghost Aw :) There’s a mini-IndieWebCamp coming up in early Dec (that isn’t on a Wednesday) https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (twitter.com/_/status/667152550462779393)
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan commented '@roombaghost Aw :) There’s a mini-IndieWebCamp coming up in early Dec (that isn’t on a Wednesday) https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (https://kylewm.com/2015/11/roombaghost-aw-there-s-a-mini-indiewebcamp-coming)
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aaronpk tbrb: lol I do that too (/b 15)
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tantek SF HWC is all setup for presentations!
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tantek And we have cake!
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aaronpk fun!
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rhiaro is doing one-woman hammock-bound hwc, also with cake
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rhiaro where 'doing hwc' = 'staring and code and wishing it would fix itself'
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tantek aww
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rhiaro and applying all available willpower not to put netflix on
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tantek netflix & code?
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rhiaro I tried that
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rhiaro it turns into netflix & netflix
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aaronpk baha
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Loqi [bridgy] Roomba Ghost replied '@kylewmahan yesss! i’ll be there' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (https://twitter.com/roombaghost/status/667156056208986112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to the 2 year anniversary of Homebrew Website Club (twitter.com/_/status/667164697741926401)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this is https://withknown.com/ as you have seen it before - but this has a new tab called community (twitter.com/_/status/667165051896373249)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: community has content from everyone's domain on campus, it obeys permissions (twitter.com/_/status/667165150600916992)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: people at an institution are automatically subscribed to the personal domains of everyone in the community (twitter.com/_/status/667165238706442240)
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rhiaro Happy birthday HWC.. http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/coconut-chocolate
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rhiaro Let's pretend I made this cake for HWC and not because I wanted cake and was too lazy to leave the apartment
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this is decentralised aggregation with a search engine on campus - there is an institutional aggregator (twitter.com/_/status/667165417044054016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: there is also a public portal of all public posts and a directory of users (twitter.com/_/status/667165560921325568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we are going to build the community tab into every known site so I can follow you, even though I use woodwind (twitter.com/_/status/667165682384166912)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: It's all indieweb under the hood, but it has a bit of a search engine for each community (twitter.com/_/status/667166005886611457)
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@funnymonkey RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: this is https://withknown.com/ as you have seen it before - but this has a new tab called community (twitter.com/_/status/667166087536971776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we will get all the institutional search engines to speak to each other as hubs (twitter.com/_/status/667166120005234688)
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kevinmarks_ rhiaro has a HWC Boston of one
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: (twitter.com/_/status/667166435848900608)
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GWG I'm an HWC NYC of one
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we heard "I don't care about owning my website, but I want to own my data and find my friends" (twitter.com/_/status/667166639369101316)
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@moia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: we heard "I don't care about owning my website, but I want to own my data and find my friends" (twitter.com/_/status/667166709296586752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: another thing we have got working recently is the idea of person tagging not just to our sites but to silos (twitter.com/_/status/667167041154060288)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we had person-tagging between indieweb sites, now we have Ryan and Kyle to demo (twitter.com/_/status/667167237552406528)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: (twitter.com/_/status/667167606563041280)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: (twitter.com/_/status/667167607758397441)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: Ben we're going to tag you, so check your facebook notifications (twitter.com/_/status/667167650481614848)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: SWAT0 is a test of interactions across services tagging photos (twitter.com/_/status/667167775576694785)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I took a picture of the crowd, I'm going to tag ben in it on my own site, and syndciating to facebook too (twitter.com/_/status/667167894489444352)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: here's my post on my site https://snarfed.org/2015-11-18_16147 and here it is on facebook https://www.facebook.com/1407574399567467/posts/1520984081559831 (twitter.com/_/status/667168457314721794)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I added person tagging on posts on my site too - here's a pic of ben https://kylewm.com/2015/11/ben-demoing-known-at-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/667168899079753728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I can then POSSE to flickr with brid.gy publish and it puts in the person tag https://www.flickr.com/photos/kindofblue115/23116567772/in/dateposted/ (twitter.com/_/status/667169255977295872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: from my site I post https://snarfed.org/2015-11-18_hwc_2 and POSSE to https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101978203975173&set=a.10101398400286413.1073741826.212038&type=3 (twitter.com/_/status/667169994799751168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: kyle commented on his site, ben commented in facebook and they got sent back to me (twitter.com/_/status/667170152543293441)
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@IdentityWoman @benwerd your at the indieweb meetup...right...I gotta get that on my calendar :) (twitter.com/_/status/667171996669644800)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I wanted to say thank you to tantek, kevin Kyle, aaron and ben - so I made you plaques (twitter.com/_/status/667172861065457664)
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@andigalpern Hello to my #indieweb friends! (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf in San Francisco, CA w/ @kevinmarks @t @benwerd) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/9UBGPyjAFlD (twitter.com/_/status/667173831325405184)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: you mentioned Known, but Kyle and Ryan are running brid.gy which we all use every day (twitter.com/_/status/667174543857987584)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Brid.gy by Kyle and Ryan is the lifeblood of this community (twitter.com/_/status/667174651035013120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Brid.gy's github discussions are some of the most polite humane and considered in open source (twitter.com/_/status/667174783927324674)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: you mentioned Known, but Kyle and Ryan are running brid.gy which we all use every day (twitter.com/_/status/667175738924208128)
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@benwerd Tantek lights birthday candles. Two years of Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/667176031711723520/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/667176031711723520)
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@andigalpern RT @benwerd: Tantek lights birthday candles. Two years of Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/667176031711723520/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/667176108333252609)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: Brid.gy by Kyle and Ryan is the lifeblood of this community (twitter.com/_/status/667176139098468352)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @benwerd: Tantek lights birthday candles. Two years of Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/667176031711723520/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/667176968664670208)
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@davidmead RT @benwerd: Tantek lights birthday candles. Two years of Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/667176031711723520/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/667176990491955200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: demo of hovercards dynamically built rather than statically (twitter.com/_/status/667177632631529472)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: on brid.gy we have 2500 users and have handled 2.5 million events (twitter.com/_/status/667177756665491456)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we send webmentions, but if you don't have webmentions we will send them to your blog as comments (twitter.com/_/status/667177867512561664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we now support flickr too - likes and comments come bak to your site, and also publish with person tags (twitter.com/_/status/667177970184953856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we looked for more stuff to send back to your site - we now send links from twitter as well (twitter.com/_/status/667178142063329280)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we also have pagination and retry for webmentions on your site (twitter.com/_/status/667178326767886336)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: for every kind of thing on facebook there are 5 or 10 urls, we handle all of those now (twitter.com/_/status/667178539796570113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we pay attention to semantics more carefully now about what is a like and what is a mention (twitter.com/_/status/667178688195244033)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we are also telling the differnence between syndicatiion and reposting (twitter.com/_/status/667178917527187458)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: my site is http://andigalpern.com and https://cascadesf.com -we get a lot of traction wiht person-tagged photos (twitter.com/_/status/667179158527713281)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: what I want to do is team up with a dev and upload to one place and have it create albums on facebook and my site (twitter.com/_/status/667179322936020992)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: So this would be a good project for indiewebcamp in december (twitter.com/_/status/667179433472737280)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: I am keen to explore new UI for galleries (twitter.com/_/status/667179701937524736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: indiewebcamp SF is here at Mozilla SF on December 3rd - tell your friends (twitter.com/_/status/667180105530253312)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: we are also telling the differnence between syndicatiion and reposting (twitter.com/_/status/667180154192584704)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: my site is http://andigalpern.com and https://cascadesf.com -we get a lot of traction wiht perso… (twitter.com/_/status/667180155249557504)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: what I want to do is team up with a dev and upload to one place and have it create albums on facebo… (twitter.com/_/status/667180156214210560)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: So this would be a good project for indiewebcamp in december (twitter.com/_/status/667180156935643136)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: I am keen to explore new UI for galleries (twitter.com/_/status/667180158374305793)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: indiewebcamp SF is here at Mozilla SF on December 3rd - tell your friends (twitter.com/_/status/667180159221538816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: here's the facebook copy of the photo that ryan posted on FBV, and I can tag kyle in it -will that go back to ryan's post? (twitter.com/_/status/667180648759709696)
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@benwerd @kylewmahan Is this the real post? Is it a webmention POSSEd a photo Reshared with micropub Hmm. Indieweb Rhapsody needs work. :/ (twitter.com/_/status/667180700404047872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we have a issue for this, we're probably going to get it working this weekend. (twitter.com/_/status/667180927022473216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: have we designed co-ordinates yet? (twitter.com/_/status/667181013257293824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have a draft with the area tag, but we couldn't get it working with micropub (twitter.com/_/status/667181185894907905)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: facebook can tell you who tagged the person in the api, but flickr can't tell you who (twitter.com/_/status/667181456825950208)
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@lauralovesart RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: indiewebcamp SF is here at Mozilla SF on December 3rd - tell your friends (twitter.com/_/status/667182443389042688)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: on my site this looks very different - I can style it (twitter.com/_/status/667182470069137410)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: getting the tense of verbs right matters here (twitter.com/_/status/667182605691785216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: one of the great things about indieweb si that we each choose how to present these on our sites and can try other ways (twitter.com/_/status/667182730094972928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I improved my photo posts - they automatically POSSE to both facebook and twitter using brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/667182953114542080)
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@vsatayamas RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: we heard "I don't care about owning my website, but I want to own my data and find my friends" (twitter.com/_/status/667183422238945281)
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@andigalpern We need emoji semantics! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/667183521119662080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I think my version looks nicer than twitter's here and both twitter and facebook have the emoji combining wrong (twitter.com/_/status/667183570750971904)
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@AndrianaArt RT @andigalpern: We need emoji semantics! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/667184505019437057)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I got implied linked image syntax - I auto embed an image URL - if the next thing is another URL I link the image to it (twitter.com/_/status/667184980104241152)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it bugged me that on other sites the url was showing up, and this now looks better (twitter.com/_/status/667185473073373185)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @guice: I am planning our wedding, and we want to accept RSVPs through our website - so I embedded a google form (twitter.com/_/status/667186479240753152)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @guice: I made the decorative images on the wedding invitation respond to the width of the site (twitter.com/_/status/667186759101452288)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: my site bengo.is down at the moment. (twitter.com/_/status/667187080154468353)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I work at livefyre, and I have been working to make our comments more indie friendly by having an OAuth 2 api (twitter.com/_/status/667187321809276928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I have implemented OpenID Connect login for Livefyre so I can auth against this (twitter.com/_/status/667187644800049153)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: all the comments I have left are locked in to our site - next quarter I want to add comment api hooks (twitter.com/_/status/667187976162643968)
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tantek kevinmarks: one of the things I was getting at was that the silo hovercards are prettier because they have "cover images"
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tantek KevinMarks: the story I was showing before, e.g. on unmung, are relying on a u-featured image in the story that I'm summarizing
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tantek KevinMarks: so if you have that then it works, but people don't have them, so I'm trying to start that publishing feedback loop by showing them
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tantek KevinMarks: what I'd also like to see is backfeed from Bridgy of quoted tweets
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tantek KevinMarks: and in particular, special backfeed responses of single character emoji - reacji as well
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tantek darius: I've updated my own site, as well as a major redesign for the Square Peg Foundation
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tantek darius: it's going to integrate a lot of this
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kevinmarks_ my emoji post
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tantek darius: we're trying to make our site both engaging to our community
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tantek darius: and welcoming to new people
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tantek darius: we may keep using WordPress or we may switch to something else
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tantek andi: you may want to update the WordPress and change the theme on Square Page Foundation
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm going to redesign my square peg foundation site and want to bring in indieweb styles (twitter.com/_/status/667191713665032192)
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tantek andi: just some simple changes and a new theme can make a big difference
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I am also working on adding person tagging to my site and want to type them in as plaintext (twitter.com/_/status/667192575925862400)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I want this to work on twitter names and indie domains (twitter.com/_/status/667192907577884673)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: TV news will cite as facebook/[username] and @[username] for twitter (twitter.com/_/status/667193158581821440)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: In http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag I took the TV version and put a # in front to tag them eg #@t #tantek.com (twitter.com/_/status/667194039129784322)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: In http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag I took the TV version and put a # in front to tag them eg #@t #tantek.com (twitter.com/_/status/667195282174685186)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: thank you and see you at IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/667200644894359552)
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@bengo RT @t: Breakthrough #indieweb progress: federating cross-site person-tags. See more tonight @MozSF! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4eH1) (twitter.com/_/status/667203560803688449)
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rhiaro I fixed my bridgy twitter like and repost posseing! http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/let-records-show
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rhiaro As a side effect I also now posse all posts to twitter OOPS
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@kevinmarks the most useful flexbox guide for #indieweb layout https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/ (twitter.com/_/status/667212609423208448)
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kevinmarks_ minimal viable h-card parsing in JS for my hovercards http://www.kevinmarks.com/hovercards.js
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tantek All wrapped up here at HWC SF!
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /User:Rhiaro.co.uk (+60) "Done: auto-POSSE twitter retweets and likes" (view diff)
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social.andrejstefanovski.com edited /IRC_People (-17) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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endi img url fixed
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endi in the gardens of Versailles focusing on the important things.. my moto360 :p
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@benwerd The second anniversary of Homebrew Website Club made me very happy. @t founded a great community. I'm proud to be a part of it. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/667249721858129920)
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petermolnar due to potential language issues ( as in vulgarity ) I'm not sure I should add this satire to the wiki, but it has a pretty good point on design issues: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
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shaunguice !tell benwerd: http://www.durovis.com/opendive.html lenses ordered. next steps: 3d print, assemble, view vr content published in browser
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@extua person yesterday kept mentioning syndication to silos - looked them up this morning, they've got their own site, part of the IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/667285983939817474)
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@PeterStrid After Complaints #LinkedIn restored ability to export your contacts. [Video] Here's how @kurtshaver #OwnYourData http://thesalesfoundry.com/video-export-your-linkedin-contacts/ (twitter.com/_/status/667320014534369280)
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Kongaloosh Do people have thoughts on how to interface well with twitter? Right now I don't have a good method of replying, liking, or re-tweeting and I'm looking to improve that as I'm using it _a lot_ more
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GWG Does it count that I think I can do better?
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: depends on where you are interacting with Twitter I think
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Kongaloosh GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 130 karma
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Kongaloosh voxpelli: in what sense? Do you mean interacting via twitter or via my own interface?
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Kongaloosh Right now I'm doing both. Twitter just feels so much more conveinient, though.
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: if you're using Twitter on the web or through some app and on desktop or on a mobile platform – the methods for replying would be different
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Kongaloosh Oh, how so?
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Kongaloosh I mean, one's going through the app and the other is through a mobile platform, but I'd imagine they'd be fairly similar
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: I've set up a share sheet action with the Workflow app on iOS for example – that makes it easy to interface with a URL from any app, including from Twitter apps that uses share sheets
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Kongaloosh oh cool, I've never heard of this before. I use iOS, so maybe I should look into doing something similar
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voxpelli it's very simple: https://workflow.is/
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voxpelli one gets some data which one then can do some stuff with and eg. end up with a URL, pointing to eg. a Micropub client, that one then opens in a browser
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: I use bridgy publish to posse likes and retweets
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rhiaro Finally working as of a few hours ago
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GWG voxpelli: There is nothing I can find I like on Android and I'm not writing it
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rhiaro So my mp endpoint wms bridgy when I post a like or repost of a tweet and bridgy does the rest
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Kongaloosh Oh!
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: I didn't realize bridgy could do that!
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rhiaro Bridgy is pretty fine
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voxpelli GWG: there appears to be an app named Tasker: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm&hl=en
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voxpelli GWG: and it should apparently support intents: http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/intents.html
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GWG What are you suggesting I do with Tasker?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you suggesting I do with Tasker" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107S
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GWG I'm familiar with it. I may be missing the workflow.
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: how do you format your likes, replies, and re-tweets?
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rhiaro Format?
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voxpelli GWG: listen for a share intent or something and make it open up a micropub client prefilled with the data of that share intent
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voxpelli that's basically what I make Workflow on iOS do
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cweiske is there an android app I could use to "share" URLs from the browser with my website? e.g. I click the share menu in the android browser, then select the app and it sends a POST or GET request to my blog's "create link" action URL?
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voxpelli cweiske: seems like Tasker maybe could do that
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cweiske I don't see anything about browser urls in the tasker wiki :/
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voxpelli cweiske: but the share intent is just like any other intent, no? so the generic intent thing should work? http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/intents.html
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voxpelli is no Android person so doesn't have much of a clue
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cweiske ah
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cweiske that could work, thanks
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GWG cweiske: That was what I was looking for.
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[snarfed] cweiske: https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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[snarfed] (GWG didn't like it, but it may work for you)
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cweiske thanks, that seems more suited for me
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cweiske easier to configure
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[snarfed] Kongaloosh, might also answer your question, at least if/when you're on Android
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[snarfed] more thoughts on interacting with twitter and other silos: https://github.com/snarfed/ownyourresponses + <https://snarfed.org/2015-01-22_pesos-for-bridgy-publish>
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GWG I cs
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GWG I x
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[snarfed] (ignore the bridgy publish comments, that post applies more broadly in general)
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GWG I can't find anything that meets my vision
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[snarfed] have you written up your vision?
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GWG In progress
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@beyondtheatreP Wanna see our dark side? Follow @TSGtheseries to keep updated! #yvrfilm #indieweb https://twitter.com/tsgtheseries/status/667085602894970880 (twitter.com/_/status/667390768303243264)
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aaronpk good morning #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed1 morning!
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voxpelli morning!
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snarfed aaronpk: we have some HWC anniversary gifts for you (and amber) for founding and driving IWC. you'll get them at IWC SF!
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aaronpk aww thanks!
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snarfed in other news we demoed silo SWAT0 on facebook last night!
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aaronpk i'm looking forward to coming down there next month!
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aaronpk ohhh wow!
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snarfed next up, flickr
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snarfed us too!
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snarfed hey kylewm, commenting in woodwind uses indie-config and micropub, right?
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@kaoskrim001 RT @beyondtheatreP: Wanna see our dark side? Follow @TSGtheseries to keep updated! #yvrfilm #indieweb https://twitter.com/tsgtheseries/status/667085602894970880 (twitter.com/_/status/667403422954450946)
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@kylewmahan You guys, #indieweb HWC was a real love fest last night. So thankful to be part of this community https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/667174651035013120 (twitter.com/_/status/667409759788646400)
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snarfed1 updated https://snarfed.org/silo-swat0-on-facebook with full details of tools/protocols in each step
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aaronpk omg haha that's amazing
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kylewm snarfed: indie-config or micropub, it was micropub in the demo
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kylewm aaronpk: any idea why ownyourgram might not be sending me new photos?
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kylewm it works if i go in manually, but not sending them automatically
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[snarfed] huh. if micropub, it doesn't need indie config?
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kylewm yep, one or the other, micropub is hardcoded to be those three actions (reply,like,repost)
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aaronpk kylewm: instagram is being dumb and sometimes just not triggering the realtime post
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aaronpk i thought it might be an intermittent issue, but it's been happening for a while
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aaronpk so apparently i'm gonna have to add polling fallback, which is going to be super annoying.
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kylewm !tell petermolnar love that site, and its offshots. I literally based the redesign of kylewm.com on http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk unrelated! cards against humanity is taking suggestions for the "World Wide Web" pack right now! https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3tgpc5/we_make_the_game_cards_against_humanity_pitch/
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[snarfed] aaronpk: sounds like a great thing to punt on until you know whether Instagram is going to shut you off?
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aaronpk ugh true. except that won't happen until at least June and that's still 6 months of brokenness
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kylewm I post on IG infrequently enough that manually triggering it doesn't bother me, but ownyourresponses is beating it!
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kylewm so really I just need to make mysite better at interpreting the post from OYR
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kylewm (beating it race-condition wise, not like quality of service)
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aaronpk I've actually been posting to IG less often now because I know i'm gonna have to go and manually trigger it
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aaronpk between this and the fact that IG just changed their terms of service, I'm really itching to get a native iOS posting client done sooner than later
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aaronpk I think I want to build a micropub app that has no UI other than acting as a share target so you can use other apps to take and edit photos and then post them to your site through it
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kylewm I think we can all agree that would be amazing
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kylewm would it handle resizing?
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aaronpk No, I don't want the app to modify photos at all. No filters, no camera UI.
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aaronpk Any image editing would be done by a separate app, then shared to this app.
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aaronpk There are like a million good photo editing apps, no reason to build another mediocre one.
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gRegorLove kylewm: have you written about how you use Selenium to post FB comments?
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snarfed oops sorry for outing you kylewm. :P that code was kinda temporary. i think his similar IG code is more permanent though
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kylewm lol, no and I'm deleting that code asap. It's extremely fragile and. Facebook sends me a unrecognized login warning every time, so I suspect it's only a matter of time before they'd lock me out
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kylewm No worries about outing! and you're right about IG. not sure why I am less afraid of them
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kylewm aaronpk: I agree about everything else, but I haven't found an easy way to resize images before uploading them (on android)
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aaronpk oh android? you're on your own ;)
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aaronpk i'm sure there are photo apps for android too
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kylewm If I know Android, there's 10 apps for it, all mediocre
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aaronpk sounds likely
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[tantek] Good morning #indiewebcamp !
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[tantek] Just read snarfed 's silo swat0 post!
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[tantek] Selenium comment posse to FB oh my kylewm!
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[tantek] Snarfed I just realized you should check out what GWG built at IWC MIT - a notification plugin for Wordpress that sends responses to one of those android notification apps.
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[tantek] That should close the loop with getting a push notification on your android mobile.
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[tantek] Kongaloosh, re interface well with Twitter, depends what you mean!
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[tantek] Do you mean your own user interactions with Twitter? Or your interactions with tweet permalinks? Or interactions between your server & Twitter?
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bengo [tantek] I read a bit of http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#Plain_text_authoring, but found myself wondering what the difference between 'mention' and 'tag' was. I think of them as quite similar (or a mention as a tag that happens to indicate a person), but went to look for a wiki page describing the indieweb parlance
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bengo notably:
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Loqi bengo: tantek left you a message on 6/8 at 7:05pm: why not help make w3vocab just not suck in the first place? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433815540677
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bengo What is a tag?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indiewebcamp.com/tag
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bengo It's a stub. But Equating tag and bookmark seems wrong, right?
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bengo If others also think of a mention as the same as a person-tag as the same of 'a type of tag that indicates a person', then #(person-uris) is cool because #tag is conventional
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bengo If 'mention' is something else, I found myself wondering why person-tags/mentions wouldn't be @(person-url), as 80mm twitter users + 1b facebook users (or at least me) already have muscle memory for tagging via '@'
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bengo *mentioning via '@'
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor mrsage
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[tantek] Right, on Twitter IG etc, @-name in content text is *only* a mention, not a tag.
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indie-visitor hello peoples
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[tantek] And all those silos have explicit UIs for person tagging *separate* from mentions
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aaronpk tagging a post with a person implies something deeper than mentioning them. like on foursquare you can tag someone and then it checks them in too. or when tagging photos, implies they are in the photo.
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[tantek] And thus those millions have users have already been educated/taught what the ui/UX difference is between mentions & tagging.
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bengo Will you define what you mean by tag?
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[tantek] It's explicit.
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bengo When you see "You've been mentioned in a post" vs "You've been tagged in a post". What's the difference?
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[tantek] Uh not sure why tag redirects to bookmark
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[tantek] Bengo different explicit action and thus semantic intent on the part of the person doing the mentioning and tagging.
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bengo I see
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bengo I guess for me mentioning also usually requires some intention
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bengo Sometiems I tweet an mention "Some Person" via plaintext and sometimes i go find their handle (or domain name) and do '@someperson"
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[tantek] Difference between mentioning a word in plain text, and then explicitly making it a tag with a #
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[tantek] All user actions have intention
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[tantek] That's irrelevant
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[tantek] They have very different intentions. That's the point.
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bengo ok. Question answered. Thanks
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bengo Seems like a reasonable proposal as is
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[tantek] If you want to guess at that difference, one interpretation is a mention is just a citation of sorts. Whereas a hashtag or person tag is a much more explicit communication that the post is *about* that tag subject.
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[tantek] What was I thinking 2015-08-10?!?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "I thinking 2015-08-10" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107T
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[tantek] Lolol
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gRegorLove What is tags?
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Loqi tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indiewebcamp.com/tags
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[tantek] Ok it was in the middle of a bunch of very fast wiki edits
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gRegorLove What is tag?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indiewebcamp.com/tag
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[tantek] Just checked logs
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[tantek] So it was likely a brainfart
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gRegorLove Yeah, I thought /tag => /bookmark was odd but forgot to ask.
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[tantek] Aha I edited the wrong page
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bengo Since I'm a loser and my bengo.is is down, i can't indieauth to add to the wiki. But I'll fix it soon and add this example to http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#Silo_Examples http://answers.livefyre.com/product/features/content-integration/#FriendMentions
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[tantek] Fixing
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bengo But since, idk, 2010/2011 our comments widget has done its best to do federated @mentioning across twitter, facebook, and our customers' community
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bengo obv that is hard as tw/fb change their APIs all the time
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[tantek] How does it do identity consolidation?
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[tantek] Does it parse rel=me?
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bengo No, when you type '@' a dropdown pops down and autocompletes from community member's usernames. YOu also then have an affordance to oauth your tw/fb identities, and then our servers cache your friends and
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[tantek] Fixed.
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bengo also autocomplete from the three joined sets
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[tantek] Aha your server does all the consolidation by pulling all the auth'd data in
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bengo Hasn't changed much since 2011, functionality wise. I didn't know about rel="me" back then.
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[tantek] You could do it without authing
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[tantek] If you parsed the rel me from their websites
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[tantek] Brb moving locations.
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bengo Also generally we build features once one or more customers has asked for them and not before.
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bengo (though without my work hat on I do think truly federated mentioning is great as a user and rel=me could be useful.)
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bengo The community could benefit from a reliable, HTTP-accessible http://indiewebcamp.com/nicknamescache search index
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bengo e.g. https://nicknames.indiewebcamp.com/?q=ta -> [{ "url": "http:/tantek.com" }]
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GWG I feel that I was being talked about
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aaronpk that sounds like an interesting project
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kylewm bengo: so on your company's platform, you can mention someone in the local community, or on Facebook, or on TWitter, or does it consolidate those ids somehow?
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kylewm like, is it possible to mention someone in the local community and then when it goes to twitter, it uses their @-name?
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kylewm what is rel-spider?
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bengo when it works... mostly the former
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rel-spider" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107U
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bengo there is a tricky part about, like, whether the local community identity, just because our servers know it is also this twitter user, whether the end-user actually wants the world to know the mapping between them-on-twitter and them-in-community
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kylewm ah interesting
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kylewm pesky real world
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bengo Yeah, and for our paying customers we are frequently not the source of truth of the community identities, we just are a cache
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bengo .... though we also do have an IdP product for customers that want one but dont have something proprietary or Janrain or Gigya or whatever
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bengo http://answers.livefyre.com/product/services/enterprise-profiles/
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bengo kylewm if you mention someone on twitter you can then tell them about it (and then ideally our customers can get some more traffic) https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22I%20mentioned%20you%20in%20a%20Livefyre%20comment%22&src=typd
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bengo (I believe the text is customizable to not mention us... but that's the default.)
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kylewm hmmmmmmm
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kylewm that is really interesting!
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kylewm i wonder what would happen if i posted to twitter "I mentioned you in a post on kylewm.com: ..."
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bengo @kylemahan mention coming your way from foxnews.com lol. (once their moderation team approves it...)
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bengo https://cloudup.com/cNEMiqyn2E2
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kylewm lol
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@bengo RT @kylewmahan: You guys, #indieweb HWC was a real love fest last night. So thankful to be part of this community https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/667174651035013120 (twitter.com/_/status/667444336964055042)
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bengo :P
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bengo Ima start collecting indieweb tweets: https://cloudup.com/ctbB9FwzK_2
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bengo https://cloudup.com/cWSBoB2CbZu
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kylewm rhiaro: do you have any thoughts on supporting an auth token in Bridgy Publish webmentions? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/552
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kylewm bengo: nice! i have one of those too sort of https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/woodwind-twitter-search-subscription.png
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bengo haha a pattern emerges :)
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rhiaro kylewm: uh, I don't have enough brain for that right now. If doing things that way is any more work for me than dropping the link into my template I probably don't have time/energy to implement it any time soon and would stop using bridgy publish to be honest.
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rhiaro like adding that link to make it work yesterday was fine
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kylewm ok :)
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rhiaro but if i'd had to do anything more than that, I probably wouldn't have bothered
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kylewm this would be an instead-of rather than an in-addition-to, but i get your meaning
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snarfed kylewm: glad i still have those blanket redirects from *-activitystreams to granary-demo :P
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rhiaro s/more/more complicated than
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kylewm (like you would have the option of doing it the current way or the new way)
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: but if i'd had to do anything more complicated than than that, I probably wouldn't have bothered
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rhiaro oh right
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rhiaro well in that case I defer to your expertise, for less lazy people :p
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singpolyma kylewm: I agree with the sentiment that starts you thinking this way. Not 100% sure what solution I would prefer
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snarfed re the publish auth token, i read it a couple times and still need to read it again to try to grok the use case
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singpolyma your suggestion is interesting
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bengo last link share for a sec but from now on this ought to be a public way of projecting real-time #indieweb: http://cdn.livefyre.com/libs/designer/production/preview.html?app_id=3d190c70-f965-4a76-9279-56b882dac141/versions/1&env=prod&lftoken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJkb21haW4iOiJsYWJzLmZ5cmUuY28iLCJleHBpcmVzIjoxNDQ4NTcxMTAxLjkwMTkxLCJ1c2VyX2lkIjoiZGVzaWduZXItdGVzdC11c2VyIn0.jFBK2t9fwB-srWXvd79Pry9xB6kZP-67Zakk
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bengo SnyssZw
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bengo err http://bit.ly/1O6sbHV
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kylewm snarfed: darn i didn't do a good job of explaining it then
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bengo http://jsbin.com/kokugevaco/edit?html,output
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snarfed bengo is that an auth token?
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kylewm use case is i want to click a button in redwind to posse to twitter, and it sends a publish webmention to bridgy
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bengo snarfed yes but intentional
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snarfed ok
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snarfed kylewm: right, i get that you want to decouple posseing (maybe per silo) from publishing the OP
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kylewm i could do that now by having code that sticks the link to brid.gy/publish/twitter in my post and then sends the webmention, but i'd rather just send a request to bridgy and leave the source alone
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snarfed yeah. honestly, i suspect you can't both have sophisticated posse logic like this and also avoid extra logic that understands bridgy publish and treats it specially
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singpolyma for sure, you'll need special logic
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kylewm i want extra logic that treats bridgy specially!
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kylewm tries to describe use case without describing plumbing, fails miserably
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singpolyma kylewm just doesn't want that logic to insert hacky links into his webpages
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kylewm singpolyma++
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Loqi singpolyma has 4 karma
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snarfed i get the decoupling user actions use case. if another use case is avoiding "hacky links," eh, i'm less motivated by that honestly
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snarfed invisible links are pretty harmless, and aesthetics of invisible html...meh
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kevinmarks kylewm++ for the ' Exclude from primary feed' checkbox in woodwind
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Loqi kylewm has 265 karma
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singpolyma I also was unsettled by inserting the links into my blog to use brid.gy publish -- I just did because the benefits were large enough to overcome my discomfort
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kylewm snarfed: it's less aesthetic and more about the complexity of code required.. i need to maintain some state to tell it which posts to include the links on
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kylewm (other you get rhiaro's problem where it publishes everything)
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snarfed not if they're outside e-content and you only send wms for links inside e-content, right?
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rhiaro it's publishing everything automatically at the moment because my special only-bridgy-to-twitter logic is broken
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snarfed i definitely understand that the backlink req't is odd. it's an alternative to bridgy being a full blown auth/token provider, which is way more work on bridgy's end
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rhiaro not because I don't have/want the special bridgy logic
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rhiaro just because bugs
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singpolyma snarfed: why not just use the upstream token? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/552#issuecomment-158196366
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kylewm so i have two posts, one i want to publish to twitter, one i don't. I have to remember somewhere to include the brid.gy/publish/twitter link on the first and not on the second, regardless of whether it's in the e-content or not
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snarfed singpolyma: that would be different work, and maybe less, but still nontrivial
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singpolyma kylewm: unless you insert, send wm, and remove all at once. but that's even more gross
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kylewm still have to store that state *somewhere* even if it's temporary
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singpolyma kylewm: because you have to wait until bridgy fetches the page? I guess so
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snarfed kylewm: my counterproposal is, include bridgy publish links for every silo in every post, outside e-content, but only trigger a wm when you click a "posse to X silo" button
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kylewm ok
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kylewm ok thanks for discussing with me!
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snarfed of course! and i definitely don't mean to close the discussion
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snarfed that's just a straw man
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rhiaro right, bridgy webmention sending happens separately to my regular webmention sending
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rhiaro I only send webmentions at the time of post creation to everything in e-content
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rhiaro the bridgy link i sin my footer
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kylewm sure, and nothing wrong with the strawman except that someone could come and maliciously posse my post to twitter, which i am not worried about
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rhiaro and that supposedly gets triggered based on if it's a like-of or repost-of a twitter url
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rhiaro (except it doesn't)
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rhiaro Oh I suppose that measn someone can posse any of my posts to twitter
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rhiaro I see what you mean
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snarfed btw, thanks for the (other) feature requests singpolyma! any interest in tackling them yourself? we'd happily help you ramp up!
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singpolyma snarfed: yeah. I should probably get brid.gy running somewhere so I can at least tinker
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singpolyma I open tickets partly as a way to start discussion. maybe no one but me wants that feature :)
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snarfed you can run it locally! setup details in the readme
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singpolyma hmm... trying to pip install I get ImportError: No module named dev_appserver
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singpolyma even though I added google_appengine to PYTHONPATH
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snarfed hmm
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snarfed can you post the full traceback?
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snarfed also feel free to move this to #bridgy
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gRegorLove For Bridgy Publish, I include the bridgy links in my syndication field, send the Bridgy WM separately and it replaces the syndication link automatically.
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gRegorLove I initiate the Bridgy Publish WM manually after publishing, though. I just have Twitter and FB buttons show up depending of which bridgy link is in the syndication field
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gRegorLove I don't find it too messy. No invisible links.
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snarfed hey kevinmarks are you around? singpolyma is setting up bridgy/o-d and maybe hitting similar problems that you hit. we think the current one is setuptools not supporting --home
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snarfed i think we captured all of yours in https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins#troubleshootingfaq , but maybe not
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snarfed we're in #bridgy if you're around and want to join
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snarfed thanks gRegorLove! feel free to add to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/552
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