#indiewebcamp 2015-11-12

2015-11-12 UTC
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@ThemeHackers #biz #growthhacking #drupal Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664598680008306689)
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@2morrowSucksBot #biz #growthhacking #drupal Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664599546945806336)
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@TheMarketingU #biz #growthhacking #drupal Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664600609174233088)
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@parktouch @Club5150Series @soapfanfiction your series had nothing to do with #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664653798497890304)
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@Club5150Series @parktouch @soapfanfiction what defines #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/664654503304519680)
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@kevinmarks @Borthwick sounds like you are advocating the POSSE principle http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/664655497849532417)
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gRegorLove pin13.net parser appears to not be working.
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kylewm gRegorLove: working for me
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gRegorLove Does this? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fplaces%2Fmecklenburgisches-volkskundemuseum-freilichtmuseum-muess%2F
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gRegorLove Weird. http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com works for me, but http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2Fnotes doesn't
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kylewm how about http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2Fnotes%2F
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gRegorLove Aha. Pesky trailing slash
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gRegorLove Still not getting barnaby's to work, though. Using unmung in the meantime.
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@parktouch @soapfanfiction @Club5150Series but it ain't #indieweb https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/664671726681255936)
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@parktouch @Club5150Series @soapfanfiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/664671789063106560)
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KartikPrabhu oh boy, Twitter fight over #indieweb
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gRegorLove "You can't post using my hashtag!"
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tantek good evening #Indiewebcamp!
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tantek interesting that # indieweb as a hasthtag is becoming deliberately overloaded
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@t Home from a focused @IndieWebCamp @MIT, seeing #NP_BOS friends, 74 burpees Sebastian PR, 32 sections @Harvard Stadium. (ttk.me t4eB1) (twitter.com/_/status/664716190959308800)
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tantek.com edited /2015/MIT (+0) "move toc down" (view diff)
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tantek my experience with hashtag results has been very poor on FB - I'm thinking of stripping hashtags from anything POSSEd to FB - anyone have similar experiences or has taken any similar actions?
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tantek !tell aaronpk that was a great composite pic for IndieWebCamp MIT - could you add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT#Photos ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Events (+532) "/* Upcoming */ Social Web WG f2f is related enough" (view diff)
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@jordan_web Perhaps we should be hosting our websites in Germany. #indieweb https://twitter.com/ArsTechnicaUK/status/664734133063688194 (twitter.com/_/status/664771831937818624)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek I don't think #indieweb is becoming intentionally overloaded, I have been seeing indie publishing on the web slowly move toward that for a while.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek i feel like we should comment that defending a hashtag like that paints the community pretty poorly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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petermolnar it was only a single person attacking the use of the hashtag, not the community
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petermolnar wasn't it?
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't matter, if at least someone doesn't comment the opposite way it will give that perception i feel
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ben_thatmustbeme especially having cited a wikipedia article with an IWC photo
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petermolnar I missed that one, in that case, you're right
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Zegnat Are we against hashtags? Can someone link me some context?
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk if you didn't do anything to webmention.io to fix the issue with my post, it was the missing u-photo for the author, because that's the only thing I've changed, and now it's accepting it as expected
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell rhiaro do you pull updates to webmentions on your site from webmention.io? I've re-mentioned the formerly broken one; webmention.io seem to parse it now.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: http://twtr.io/15xH1r3fckb
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ben_thatmustbeme that thread
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG its weird, any ajax post seems to always fail
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme really annoying
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ben_thatmustbeme since thats rather important for indieauth login
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG in mobilepub that is. pretty annoying since thats needed for indieauth login
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, thanks for the context
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GWG Messages?
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 36 minutes ago: its weird, any ajax post seems to always fail http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447334721994
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 35 minutes ago: in mobilepub that is. pretty annoying since thats needed for indieauth login http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447334775158
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ben_thatmustbeme Looks like there is some whitelist plugin needed now
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (-11) "/* Where */ Göteborg" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks @halvorson a1: text-first design https://indiewebcamp.com/text-first_design (twitter.com/_/status/664814433089093633)
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (+41) "/* Göteborg */ jeena" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (+51) "/* Göteborg */ fb link" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh cool, i just got a notification in FB "bridgy's access has expired click here to renew"
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ben_thatmustbeme thats useful
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[kevinmarks] Today in "certificates are hard" https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/664657057727942656
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@dwlz Every app downloaded from the Mac App Store stopped working because Apple let their root signing certificate expire. https://twitter.com/tapbot_paul/status/664653066679906304 (twitter.com/_/status/664657057727942656)
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[snarfed] ben_thatmustbeme: thanks! but expired early due to a bug. don't rush to re auth :/
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[snarfed] will be fixed in a few hrs
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, :/
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ben_thatmustbeme already did and subsequently got tons more of those notifications
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ben_thatmustbeme it got really confused
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[snarfed] tons of notifications? or just one each time you re authed?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think one each time
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ben_thatmustbeme but its confusing since it opened inside of FB when i clicked that link
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ben_thatmustbeme which was weird
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snarfed yeah, blame FB
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG, i'm about to just give up on using Adobe's service for it and just host my own builds of mobilepub
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ben_thatmustbeme I really should do so and work out getting it in the google play store
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ben_thatmustbeme but i feel like it should be more polished for that
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GWG You have to start somewhere
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ben_thatmustbeme true
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ben_thatmustbeme but i already feel stretched pretty thin on all the projects i deal with now
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GWG People will not fault you for an app that works but needs enhancements
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ben_thatmustbeme not terribly thrilled putting more work in to yet another one
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ben_thatmustbeme well, the "that works" is questionable at times
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GWG In fact, I'd guess you'll get possible helpers on a published app
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose i can dig in to it this weekend
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ben_thatmustbeme in the mean time feel free to try out https://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/mobilepub/
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ben_thatmustbeme which SHOULD work
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GWG Can I make a suggestion?
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GWG What if you made it templatable?
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GWG Think about aaronpk's Teacup. It downloads options from a site
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ben_thatmustbeme what do you mean? i haven't used teacup
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GWG Focus on the implementation of the authentication, and allow the submission elements to be set by a template anyone can make
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GWG Does that make sense?
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GWG That makes me wonder if you should be able to query your endpoint for what elements you want to send in to generate a ui
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[aaronpk] Sounds like... an html form! hehe
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Loqi [aaronpk]: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 45 minutes ago: that was a great composite pic for IndieWebCamp MIT - could you add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT#Photos ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447318961878
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Loqi [aaronpk]: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 42 minutes ago: if you didn't do anything to webmention.io to fix the issue with my post, it was the missing u-photo for the author, because that's the only thing I've changed, and now it's accepting it as expected http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447333533200
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GWG Aaronpk, it is.
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snarfed1 ben_thatmustbeme or aaronpk, mind re-authing your bridgy fb again? bug is hopefully fixed now
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snarfed1 (GWG you didn't hit it :P)
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GWG Hit what?
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snarfed bridgy bug ben_thatmustbeme and i have been discussing here
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GWG Aaronpk, but on mobile, it is a different story.
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GWG Snarfed, things have been working well for me
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snarfed great!
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GWG I got useful push notifications sorted out at IWC
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, i think its updated
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GWG But re micropub on Android, I was suggesting that the app handle the authentication and integration with Android sharing intents. You could make everything else a form.
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GWG Less work to maintain then
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, thats a hugely different problem
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GWG Is it?
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ben_thatmustbeme mobilepub is written in html5 with cordova. it doesn't interface to the intents system at all really
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ben_thatmustbeme that would mean converting everything over to native app
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ben_thatmustbeme i am soooo not doing that
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GWG I misunderstood how you wrote it then
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GWG Maybe someone will someday... Native Android
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, that would be nice to see
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ben_thatmustbeme but i don't have time to dive in to that
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GWG I thought when you commented about getting off of Adobe you mean the more than you did
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GWG Do we have any Android developers in the community?
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snarfed GWG: yes
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snarfed a few, including me
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snarfed https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Ryan+B
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GWG Anyone willing to tackle a barebones Micropub client though?
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snarfed ducks
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GWG You have enough on your plate
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snarfed consider a mobile webapp instead? eg https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone
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[aaronpk] I thought Cordova could access some of the native Apis, isn't that the whole point of it?
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GWG It is the sharing intent that is my issue.
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bear according to http://danhough.com/blog/cordova-android-web-intents/ it should be able to do web-intents
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GWG That is opening up an app instead of a website
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GWG I was thinking of sending reply urls to a webapp
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snarfed GWG: sounds like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.snarfed.android.openinapp
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GWG How would that work if I hit the share button and want to like a url?
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snarfed it lets you make arbitrary URL patterns open arbitrary apps
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snarfed from there it's up to you
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snarfed (and the app itself)
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GWG This is more akin to bookmarklet free
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snarfed yes, but the reverse direction
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uranther Let's Encrypt public beta is December 3rd :) https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/12/public-beta-timing.html
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oddvar woo
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, bear, GWG, cordova is SUPPOSED to be able to handle intents, I had messed with it in the past but the problem is that its not a part of the base system, so you break being able to build on any phonegap build (which is ok since i'm getting pretty annoyed with them anyway) but the bigger issue is that means its a 3rd party plugin that has been pretty much not maintained
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ben_thatmustbeme when I tried to get it working i could register the intent but it never received any data with it. and I tried 3 or 4 different plugins that were all forked off outdated plugins
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snarfed for android, tasker might be worth a look, i think it can accept arbitrary intents and pass them to arbitrary apps
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ben_thatmustbeme "pass them through" how?
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[snarfed] sorry, I'd have to point you to the tasker docs :P
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[snarfed] it's great though, i use it. very powerful and configurable
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@mlncn A first step in taking control of your online presence: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664879369202962432)
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Loqi
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Loqi
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[shaners] aaronpk: re: http://atlas.p3k.io, do you know about <https://atlas.hashicorp.com> ?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk now i do
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snarfed the perfect transactional communication!
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[shaners] what’s the loqi syntax for timers/reminder in channel?
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aaronpk 1 minute until hi
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 11/12 11:39am (#5756)
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[shaners] can loqi handle days or dates?
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aaronpk only durations until, but yes days or years
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[shaners] kk
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Loqi hi
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[shaners] 21 days until Let’s Encrypt public beta : https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/12/public-beta-timing.html
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 12/3 11:39am (#5757)
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[shaners] Thanks buddy!
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aaronpk <3 Loqi
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Loqi i love me too
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[shaners] <3++
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@dgd7 RT @mlncn: A first step in taking control of your online presence: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664893254870151168)
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mlncn I'm sure i opted into it but how does this surveillance work?
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aaronpk what surveillance?
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ben_thatmustbeme watches for tweets with "indieweb"
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ben_thatmustbeme that?
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aaronpk oh haha
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aaronpk wish list for this-week emails?
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[shaners] I emailed you about adding me please.
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aaronpk yes I added you :)
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aaronpk I am wondering what other things people might want to see in the emails
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[shaners] thanks!
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[shaners] Oh I see.
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Loqi test51690155070
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme++
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ben_thatmustbeme hehehe
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aaronpk dammit
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Loqi hackingloqi++
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ben_thatmustbeme giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll not reveal it to anyone, but yeah, firewall is probably a good idea
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ben_thatmustbeme or port knocking or something
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ben_thatmustbeme dismantles his loqi violating machine
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ben_thatmustbeme let me know when you have the firewall rule up, i'll test and make sure its working
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ben_thatmustbeme securingloqi++
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Loqi securingloqi has 1 karma
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aaronpk okay go for it
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ben_thatmustbeme that did it
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk Loqi: a/s/l?
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Loqi 226811039/bot/internet
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, s that a thing?
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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aaronpk only took 7.192 years for someone to finally "hack" Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme i should get a prize or something
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Loqi I agree
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rhiaro haha
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Loqi rhiaro: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 40 minutes ago: do you pull updates to webmentions on your site from webmention.io? I've re-mentioned the formerly broken one; webmention.io seem to parse it now. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447333762040
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[shaners] 36/M/Jacksonville, Florida, USA (currently)
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rhiaro was that Loqi or was that ben?!
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ben_thatmustbeme hah! your own bot is turning on you!
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aaronpk ben can't talk through Loqi anymore!
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ben_thatmustbeme aaron locked me out
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rhiaro that's what he wants us to think
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rhiaro aha excellent :)
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rhiaro I trust you again, Loqi
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aaronpk gives Loqi a set of firewall rules
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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Loqi runs away from the set of firewall rules
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ben_thatmustbeme HAH
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ben_thatmustbeme i love you Loqi
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Loqi gives ben_thatmustbeme a massage
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rhiaro hahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme uhh
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rhiaro this is getting weird, loqi..
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GWG Proper use of hfeed and hentry just got added to _s and will likely end up in the latest WordPress bundled theme.
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aaronpk GWG: CONGRATS!!
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GWG Not sure if I can slip in Microformats2 as well.
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GWG Trying on that.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG++
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[shaners] gwg, what is _s?
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Loqi GWG has 126 karma
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aaronpk GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 127 karma
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rhiaro waves at [shaners]
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[shaners] rhiaro :wave:
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GWG _s, pronounced Underscores, is a popular WordPress starter theme
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GWG A lot of themes are based on it
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GWG If it gets in there, a lot of future themes will have better markup
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ben_thatmustbeme what is _s?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "_s" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106v
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GWG _s, pronounced Underscores, is a popular WordPress starter theme
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bear gwg++
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ben_thatmustbeme don't know if loqi likes the _
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Loqi gwg has 128 karma
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GWG _s is a popular WordPress starter theme
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Loqi ok
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GWG I might need it that way
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aaronpk oh darnit, the wiki can't talk to loqi now
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aaronpk ah it uses the private IP...
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[shaners] Gotcha
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[shaners] Good work gwg
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[shaners] gwg++
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Loqi gwg has 129 karma
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aaronpk gives Loqi some more firewall rules
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Loqi eats the more firewall rules
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aaronpk good ob
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aaronpk job
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ben_thatmustbeme securingloqi++
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /s (+25) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447361719814" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh right _ is used as a space character in mediawiki land
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /s (+1) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme what is _s?
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Loqi _s ,pronounced underscores, is a popular WordPress starter theme http://indiewebcamp.com/_s
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, that makes things weird
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ben_thatmustbeme what is s?
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Loqi _s ,pronounced underscores, is a popular WordPress starter theme https://indiewebcamp.com/s
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