#indiewebcamp 2015-10-12

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tantek !tell shaners re: h2vs - dang, yeah, my web host upgraded their PHP (or default php.ini) and it caused more warnings / breaks in a bunch of code, looks like H2VX got hit too. Interesting/challenging webhost / indieweb maintenance problem.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[shaners] Tantek: Hosts like Heroku let/require you to specify the version of your language and framework that you’re running in some config file. In my case, it’s a Gemfile where I specify my Ruby version.
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: re: h2vs - dang, yeah, my web host upgraded their PHP (or default php.ini) and it caused more warnings / breaks in a bunch of code, looks like H2VX got hit too. Interesting/challenging webhost / indieweb maintenance problem. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-11/line/1444608076643
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[shaners] No sneaky host upgrades breaking my stuffs.
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[shaners] I’m the only one that gets to break my things. :smile:
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tantek heh - that's an interesting distinction (feature?) for webhosts - any way to capture that on /webhosts ?
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[shaners] I’m on real slow coffee shop wifi. Fast enough for chats. Not enough to dive into wiki editing right now. :confused:
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tantek got it. appreciate the distinction about Heroku. documenting such features will be a good way to help people decide what kind of webhost they want.
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[shaners] :thumbsup::skin-tone-2:
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@scott_gruber Continuum by @adactio I read it on his site https://adactio.com/journal/6692 — also available on @medium cc @indiewebcamp https://medium.com/@jeremykeith/continuum-4782914c4bd6 (twitter.com/_/status/653373805729964034)
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Loqi [mention] Evgenij Pfafenrot wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/0sOgb3W9CGWCYES6QcekHQ
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/dkd89aA1nPV5slUs8MScPQ
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: whats wrong with just using url[]= for both your local and the remote one you are adding? you can easily distinguish a local url from non-local
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aaronpk that feels like a really weird hack
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[shaners] And I’m in my own address book.
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ben_thatmustbeme not really, it works for if you have a local url or not
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[shaners] The URL on *my* contact card would be the same as the URL of the local url
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ben_thatmustbeme you are saying that there is a contact that has both of these... really its just saying "merge this in to an existing one"
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aaronpk well this is kind of neat. I can create events, contacts and venues now.
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aaronpk turns out I didn't need to make a distinction between contacts and venues other than which collecton to put them in
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: write up on that on the Wiki yet?
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aaronpk after I get them displaying properly
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aaronpk this is micropub-only for now
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ben_thatmustbeme Still, cool
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ben_thatmustbeme Ive lost all my free time to work on my site lately
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aaronpk i understand
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ben_thatmustbeme Promoted plus children
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ben_thatmustbeme Yet I still want to work on stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm taking some initial loss at possibly forking elgg
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ben_thatmustbeme https://elgg.org/
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ben_thatmustbeme Try and make it as indieweb friendly as possible
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aaronpk orly?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Promoted to father?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, heh. No, Promoted to manager, just became farther
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: if I can find someone to help with it. I won't have time to do it all myself
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Congratulations
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ben_thatmustbeme Oh you didn't know?
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aaronpk if you do go down the elgg path it'd be best to try to get those changes upstream rather than just forking it
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ben_thatmustbeme Twins girls, 5 months ago. Promotion was probably 2 months ago or so
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aaronpk also super funny that elgg is benwerd's previous thing
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ben_thatmustbeme Oh really?
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ben_thatmustbeme Didn't realize that
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aaronpk small world
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ben_thatmustbeme Well there weren't a lot of options for open source social networks
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ben_thatmustbeme And I didn't feel like messing with ossn
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ben_thatmustbeme Also, Yes. Great to get it upstream but it's also a lot slower abd you have to convince them to do it
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ben_thatmustbeme What we haven't seen is a silo add indieweb support and I think it's a good project top see what it takes
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ben_thatmustbeme Elgg is more just a framework for a social network though
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ben_thatmustbeme Again, I go back and forth
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kevinmarks talk to benwerd about it
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ben_thatmustbeme Maybe i should just go down this list and send PRs to them all. Heh. http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/revisiting-open-source-social-networking-alternatives--cms-22445
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@diplix ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://wirres.net/article/articleview/8649/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/653461055717437442)
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@lutzmache RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653461298915725312)
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@raue RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653464943212261377)
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@dieMelanie RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653465416568807424)
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@blablog RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653467721988997120)
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@AKDigiGes RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653468272894058496)
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@petschbot RT @diplix: ix halte das #amphtml für eine der spannensten sachen die dem web seit web2.0 und #indieweb passiert sind: http://t.co/kXIFadJK… (twitter.com/_/status/653473136994844673)
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petermolnar good morning, indieweb; I've got a question for those who still do/use RSS: do you add pictures as attachment? If yes, do you use 'enclosure' or 'media:group' ?
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cweiske I only link them within the normal content
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cweiske view-source:http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/
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cweiske but I use atom, not rss
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cweiske petermolnar, why would you use attachments?
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petermolnar most of my images are wrapped in <picture> and src set therefore many rss readers, incl. Thunderbird fails to parse it properly
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@GETDcent RT @elfpavlik: another #d14n even! http:///conference/ ping @indiewebcamp @GETDcent @DTNConf @decentcamp @border_none we need planet sty… (twitter.com/_/status/653494688381599744)
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petermolnar the attachment makes it safe & sound that the picture - photo in my case, which is faily important for posting photos - gets trough
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cweiske ok
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Zegnat petermolnar: I think the bigger question is how many RSS readers support the picture element. It might not make sense to add attachments if only 1% has problems with newer HTML
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KartikPrabhu picture should be used only for art direction. For other stuff there is srcset
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@vmarks @chartier the #indieweb idea is that you own your post on your site and republish elsewhere for distribution. (twitter.com/_/status/653554361751207940)
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GWG Good morning all
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@borisschapira @nhoizey Non. 5 commentaires en 2 ans, j'abandonne. Twitter, Facebook et WebMentions si je comprends comment ça marche. (twitter.com/_/status/653573576877080576)
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@nhoizey @borisschapira ouais, tenté par WebMentions aussi, mais encore moins d’espoir d’en voir arriver que des commentaires traditionnels… 😕 (twitter.com/_/status/653576241807798273)
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petermolnar WordPress users, heads up: new kind of xmlrpc attack vector: https://blog.sucuri.net/2015/10/brute-force-amplification-attacks-against-wordpress-xmlrpc.html
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GWG This is going to hurt my chances of improving pingbacks in core, isn't it?
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snarfed1 GWG: no
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GWG snarfed: Every time I talk about it, I get comments about security and XMLRPC
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petermolnar I've digged a bit into possibilities; in theory, if xmlrpc.php methods are reduced to work only to handle pingbacks, we're more or less ok
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petermolnar but still, xmlrpc was always a mess, but it seems like from 3.5 it's even a bigger mess
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GWG petermolnar: The REST API infrastructure comes in in 4.4, with the new endpoints in 4.5 as of now. I'd expect that after that, there may be a proposal to disable parts of XMLRPC by default that may gain traction.
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petermolnar yeah, I'm not so sure about that
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petermolnar think wordpress vs legacy
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petermolnar as in php 5.2
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petermolnar for example
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petermolnar I wonder if the pingbacks support could be split from xmlrpc and shipped as a plugin, relatively secured
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aaronpk yet another demonstration that username/password auth on APIs is a terrible idea
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GWG petermolnar: Maybe they'll substitute webmentions. But that is a bit premature.
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GWG But I am the only one filing and closing Core Pingback tickets on WordPress. I thought it was the best way to get movement.
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petermolnar pffff https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16747 5 years old and I had to add a fix myself yesterday for my theme
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GWG petermolnar: A major push in 4.4 is closing bugs. They want to get trac below 3000 open tickets. You may need to get someone's attention.
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petermolnar to be honest, I kind of given up on fixing WordPress this way and instead I apply everything through my theme
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petermolnar though I probably should help with the tickets as well
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GWG petermolnar: I've been working on comment and pingback tickets to improve the WordPress/Indieweb experience
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petermolnar I get that, and it's a honourable approach, but when emojis were one of the most important things in 4.3(?) something broke in me
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GWG petermolnar: 4.4 is a much bigger release. And closing tickets is a major push this time. I'm hoping that continues in the future. We don't need as many new features if they can clean up things.
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GWG petermolnar: All of my other approaches have met with limited success. This at least, even if I fail, gets me credentials and a reputation I could bank on.
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GWG Bank on as in...get more done.
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@vmarks @benwerd just goes to show, micro formats survive. "...indieweb...!" (twitter.com/_/status/653598548584361984)
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GWG I feel like tweeting back to that.. Viva la Revolution!
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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[shaners] Hola, tantek!
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snarfed hi!
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tantek !tell benwerd I'm curious, what specific use-case(s) do you have in mind for "signed feeds" ? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/653260624495939585
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk i assume private content
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tantek signing != encryption. sigh.
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tantek signing != auth either.
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aaronpk signing is authentication in one direction. not authorization tho
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tantek right, that was ambig, I meant auth as in authorization
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tantek authentication is already solved with indieauth
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GWG Was just discussing this again. What is a good presentation for a self-mention? Anyone?
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benwerd tantek: "Signed feeds" should have been "signed feed requests" - authed API requests that then can result in personalized content being sent back in the feed, allowing for some level of per-post privacy
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 10/7 at 7:07pm: I think withknown.com is a "substantial site that consumes microformats2 natively" - perhaps you can point that out in https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/pull/499 ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-07/line/1444270019725
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 12 hours ago: how do you fix the typo in the name of this post ("Ocotber [sic]") while keeping the permalink working? http://werd.io/2015/homebrew-website-club-at-mozilla-sf-ocotber-7-2015-indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444369808353
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 50 minutes ago: I'm curious, what specific use-case(s) do you have in mind for "signed feeds" ? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/653260624495939585 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-12/line/1444669618291
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tantek welcome back benwerd :)
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tantek GWG - depends on the specific self-mention - example?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: right now I classify self-mentions as any other reply/like/mention
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aaronpk same
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@jgmac1106 @benwerd I have no idea what most of that meant but it sounds awesome. Jealous. #indieweb @jimgroom (twitter.com/_/status/653631465104777216)
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GWG Well, I use the webmention plugins for WordPress.
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GWG They default to "This article was mentioned on example.com"
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tantek GWG, my point is that if you actually collect specific examples for from->to self-mentions, you may find patterns or usage, clusters, that will help inform a good presentational design.
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tantek asking to figure out "abstract self->mention" -> "presentation" is a form of plumbing-first design, since the fact of the mention is just plumbing, a link. Absent the reason *why* that link exists, there's little chance of designing a user-centric presentation
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GWG Hmm....
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GWG tantek: But that is partially why I am asking if anyone in here handles them differently.
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snarfed feel free to +1 https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/41 (show full content text if it's small enough)
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snarfed now that bridgy sends tweet mentions, which are at least medium volume, that'd be a big improvement
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snarfed full text and/or snippet gives context, which is badly missing from just "this was mentioned on X"
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GWG snarfed: I want to make that better. Snippet makes sense in some cases.
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snarfed go for it!
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GWG snarfed: But when there is no p-summary, the question is how to do excerpting.
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GWG The N words around the link never quite worked out.
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snarfed i proposed the two standard options in the bug
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snarfed not ideal, true, but still way better than nothing!
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tantek GWG, hence why I asked you for specific examples to analyze
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tantek GWG, for example, see the various different kinds of footer sections here, many of which are based on "self-mentions" at a plumbing level, but indicate very different user-centric use-cases: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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GWG tantek: You documented some on Pingbacks
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GWG I really hate the [...] [...] thing
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tantek GWG, exactly - that's what happens when you do plumbing-first presentational design
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tantek that is why I am asking you to NOT do plumbing-first ("how should I present self-mentions") design
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GWG I think "Bob mentioned this on bob.com" is a better presentation, even if less contextual.
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tantek and instead, gather, document specific examples, and design from those
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GWG tantek: Any suggestions on where to put that in the wiki?
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GWG Mentions?
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tantek sure!
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tantek or you can expand http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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tantek that list is collected from real world examples (the [n] links following each item)
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tantek GWG, in this context, how is your use of "Mentions" and different in meaning than just "Links" ?
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GWG Mentions would be, in this case, a link accompanied by some kind of linkback. So, the linker wanted me to know they linked to my site.
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GWG So, intention, whether automated or manual.
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tantek link + (webmention | pingaback) = mention ?
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GWG tantek: In this context, that is how I'm defining it.
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GWG If I mark it up as something such as a like, that is a specific case. What is the general case?
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tantek.com edited /post-type-discovery (+331) "/* Implementations */ p3k" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, it's not clear there is a general case - that's my point.
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tantek you can only determine that by documenting a bunch of *specific* cases and seeing what they each mean - like the list here: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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tantek document examples like, post A links to post B, and from the context clearly it means "previously" or, here is a new post on the subject, or ... (insert specific author intention here)
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tantek when you've documented enough specific examples like that, you'll likely see patterns emerging
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tantek that list http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections shows a bunch of such author intentions. there may obviously be others.
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tantek starting with your own specific posts is likely easier, because you knew what your specific intention was with each link you published :)
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david.shanske.com edited /mention (+18) (view diff)
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GWG I think I'll start there. But right now, I have to go write copy for work.
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GWG Lunchtime is over.
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GWG tantek: I think this is more akin to your like analysis than the footer thing
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tantek GWG - could be. likes are a type of footer thing too
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GWG tantek: My concerns come from the fact I am embedded in the WordPress ecosystem. Where PIngbacks are built-in, but disabled by many and ignored by most.
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GWG I want to give a good presentation to them, because if I do, then people may stop thinking of them as a feature that should be removed.
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tantek indeed - there is much plumbing-centric design in that ecosystem
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GWG Not deprecated, just removed.
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tantek yeah - though I think the reasons have more to do with spam than presentation
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GWG tantek: My argument is that if no one sees the benefit of it in presentation, the desire to not deal with spam overrides the desire to have the feature in the first place.
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tantek that is a good point
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tantek especially if you're able to demonstrate that presentatin doesn't have to suck
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tantek e.g. using your own site
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GWG Yes.
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GWG And since I work in plugins, in cooperation with pfefferle, snarfed, acegiak, etc, anything I develop can be given over to everyone.
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tantek GWG then yes - I agree, any incremental (and quick) presentational improvements you can make over the status quo are good, however I hope you don't stop there, and do document specific examples in the hopes of coming up with even better presentation.
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kevinmarks we did the (text before) link (text after) thing at technorati, and it was often unsatisfactory
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kevinmarks 'cos in many case the (text after) is a quotation from the linkedd piece
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tantek yeah that was pretty horrible too
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tantek of course copied from existing search engine results
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aaronpk haha yeah
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aaronpk i've seen taht a lot
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kevinmarks the smart thing to do there might be to treat it as marginalia
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GWG kevinmarks: How so? (marginalia)
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GWG To snarfed's comment, I'm for replacing with a summary if one is expressly set. But I'm against doing it if one is not unless a better way then the text around it is suggested.
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kevinmarks if I quote a block of your post, it may make more sense to attach my post to that text rather than as a footnote.
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kevinmarks there is also a highlight case there - I do a lot of tweets that are in effect a highlight of part of a post
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snarfed GWG: like i mentioned, another alternative is the first N words of the content, which at least wouldn't have the same problems as text around link
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snarfed also some of this probably comes down to personal preference. e.g. i strongly prefer text around link, warts and all, instead of the current "this was mentioned on X,"
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petermolnar nice, I've just noticed medium.com gained a publish api and an official WordPress cross-post plugin ( http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/07/medium-api/ )
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kevinmarks eg https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/651792967523373057
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@kevinmarks “we must value and reward not just the creators of content but also those who build audience for that content.” http://buzzmachine.com/2015/10/07/faster-distributed-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/651792967523373057)
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kevinmarks simialrly http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/every-nerd-box-no-matter-the-diversity-of-its-other
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petermolnar I'll add it to the wiki
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kevinmarks there I have a fragmention link so it's clearer
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kevinmarks in a longer post, I will often introduce the quotation, then comment on it
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kevinmarks eg the first link here: http://www.kevinmarks.com/ampreaction.html
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GWG snarfed: I think I'll agree with tantek. Need to deep dive into examples.
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snarfed GWG: sgtm! i'm just saying people may differ on the presentation they'd choose for the same mention
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snarfed which is ok!
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petermolnar.eu edited /Medium (+234) "/* Features */" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, diverse preferences are good! so are better defaults as a starting point :)
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@jjmajava .@RSAMatthew There are attempts to that but the problem is with the centralised model of social networking platforms. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/653659690509975552)
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@jjmajava @RSAMatthew Any new service like Disapora, app.ner, Ello will fail unless the whole of your network moves with you. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/653660583028461568)
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@marccanter4real Even YOU can be part of the IndieWeb. Use one's Home page as a way for contacting them. Get some open source... http://indiewebcamp.com/communication (twitter.com/_/status/653667358888841216)
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@windley RT @marccanter4real: Even YOU can be part of the IndieWeb. Use one's Home page as a way for contacting them. Get some open source... http:… (twitter.com/_/status/653667571225374720)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @marccanter4real: Even YOU can be part of the IndieWeb. Use one's Home page as a way for contacting them. Get some open source... http:… (twitter.com/_/status/653669089630547969)
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snarfed1 kevinmarks: minor pestagram feature request: serve on the naked domain? :P
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snarfed looks like www is cnamed, but your dns server may offer a custom way to do that on the root domain
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kevinmarks that's one of those 'bugger around with AWS for hours" problmes isn't it
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aaronpk is it hosted on AWS?
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snarfed nah heroku
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kevinmarks heroku, routed via route53
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snarfed aha
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aaronpk i don't think you can then
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aaronpk route53 only supports aliases to AWS resources
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snarfed yeah
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aaronpk oh just kidding
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tantek what is route53?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Route53
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aaronpk https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/route-53#naked-root-domain
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tantek huh
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snarfed if heroku doesn't change your ip often, you could cheat and just use the latest one
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snarfed (s)
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aaronpk oh nvm. that's how to redirect the naked domain to the subdomain on heroku
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aaronpk yeah there isn't a real way to do it then
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aaronpk other DNS providers have a way to do it tho https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/custom-domains#add-a-custom-root-domain
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tantek what is a custom root domain?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom root domain" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104Z
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kylewm snarfed: why would root domain be beter?
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kylewm it seemed like precious few registrars support ALIAS records or whatever, when I was looking into it for hosting silo.pub on heroku
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snarfed kylewm: not better, it just wouldn't fail badly as a webmention target. e.g. https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kevinmarks
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tantek what are ALIAS records?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ALIAS records" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104_
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kylewm ALIAS records were a custom DNS record type created by dnsimple.com to support CNAME-like behavior on the root domain name.
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snarfed (the naked domain aesthetic is generally preferred now too, but that's a separate discussion)
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kylewm snarfed: just ironic, because you know, www.brid.gy :)
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kylewm Loqi why didn't you like my defn?
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Loqi yeah!
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snarfed kylewm: hah yes. blame app engine + google apps + ssl :/
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aaronpk "were" past tense, should be "is"
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aaronpk or "are"
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loqi.me created /ALIAS_records (+149) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-12/line/1444683184266 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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kylewm thanks aaronpk (also, oops, duh)
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kylewm oh, so pestagram.com could at least redirect to www.
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kylewm I know namecheap has a little mini service that does that
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kevinmarks I set up pestagram before I had read all the route 53 things, I have it working for kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks hm, so how am I routing pestagram?
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kevinmarks ah, just via hover
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bear route53 supports alias records for sub-domains when targetting elb or s3 or cloudfront
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snarfed1 but not heroku sadly
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snarfed it's always seemed silly that dns doesn't let you cname root domains
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aaronpk yeah I also don't really understand why we can't all just agree to start supporting that
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kevinmarks there is a way of doing it, but each time it's wading through a heroku list that points to 4 amazon docs and tells you what to edit where
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aaronpk really? the heroku docs I found literally said it wasn't possible
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aaronpk the steps walk you through setting up a redirect from example.com to www.example.com hosted on amazon
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kevinmarks right, whcih is what I do for kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks it gets 301'd to www.kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks serving bare domains is hard
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kevinmarks similar thing with appengine
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aaronpk it'd be possible to set up a web service on amazon that would serve bare domains for people, proxying it to whatever host they are actualyl running
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bear if your in control of the load balancer then it's possible
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tantek what is a load balancer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "load balancer" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104a
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bear :)
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tantek ;)
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aaronpk actually that's basically what cloudflare is
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aaronpk just put cloudflare in front of pestagram
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aaronpk they'll even automatically make SSL certs for you for free
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tantek "just" :)
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aaronpk it's actually pretty easy
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bear A load balancer is a device (or software) that acts as a reverse proxy for a web service or network that allows you to balance the load across multiple servers on a network
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is a reverse proxy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reverse proxy" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104b
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GWG does not trust anyone with DNS control of a site
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bear yea, amazon's cloudflare is very simple
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aaronpk oops i meant cloudfront not cloudflare
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aaronpk no
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tantek what is cloudfront?
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bear oh, me also
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cloudfront" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104c
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aaronpk i meant cloudflare, not amazon cloudfront
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bear A reverse proxy is a type of service that allows resources to be requested by a client to be resolved by any number of servers without the client being aware of those servers
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loqi.me created /reverse_proxy (+199) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-12/line/1444685274236 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kevinmarks so use cloudflare in front of heroku or appengine?
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aaronpk right
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bear Cloudfront is the CDN service provided by Amazon, see https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront for more details
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loqi.me created /Cloudfront (+131) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-12/line/1444685295617 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is a CDN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CDN" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104d
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kevinmarks what is cloudfront?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Cloudfront
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kevinmarks what is cloudflare?
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Loqi CloudFlare is a service to, in their own words, "supercharge your website" https://indiewebcamp.com/CloudFlare
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aaronpk I was pleasantly surprised by how easy it was to put cloudflare in front of a website
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tantek well that's not useful (dfn)
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aaronpk https://geoloqi.com/ is served by cloudflare backed by amazon S3. i'm not paying anything for it, and it even has SSL
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bear A CDN (aka Content Delivery Network) is a network of distributed servers that deliver content based on the requesting clients geographical location
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bear let me clean up cloudfront
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bear A CDN is a network of distributed servers that deliver content based on the requesting clients geographical location
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Loqi ok
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kevinmarks hm, that sounds liek a good answer for moving kevinmarks.com off heroku and onto something static
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snarfed cloudflare++
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Loqi cloudflare has 2 karma
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aaronpk oh sorry, there is a minimal cost to S3 https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
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aaronpk 3 cents per GB of storage, 4 cents for 100,000 GET requests
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aaronpk so yeah you can pay like 10 cents per month for most small sites
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tantek 9 of those cents are likely due to bots :P
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk i'm actually quite curious how tantek.com would work on cloudflare. might end up preventing the bandwidth overages by letting it serve cached content
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tantek yeah - I should get Lauren to come talk to us about getting setup on cloudflare
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aaronpk who is Lauren and who is us?
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tantek Lauren is a sometimes participant in HWC SF, and "us" is #indiewebcamp folks
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kevinmarks Lauren is a sometime HWC attendee who now works at cloudlfare
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aaronpk ah cool
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kevinmarks she's in the foreground here: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club
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GWG You really should start having the bigger HWC get togethers on talky.
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GWG I'd talk in..what's the right verb there?
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GWG I still enjoy showing people the IWC PDX photo and asking them to find me in it
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aaronpk hey IWC MIT people, can we nail down a date soon?
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aaronpk I want to get this flight since it's a really good deal right now!
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GWG aaronpk: I'm pro Friday Saturday, but if it is Sat/Sun I'll likely be there for some if not all of it. So anything is November is good.
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GWG Although I'm not an MIT person, I'd be going
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aaronpk oh I didn't realize fri/sat was an option
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GWG aaronpk: For me, yes. Not sure about anyone else.
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GWG I stand alone on that
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GWG I think
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@withknown Vote for us to be added to Scaleway! It'll just take a second: https://www.scaleway.com/imagehub/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/653700875072835585)
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aaronpk neat
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aaronpk tiny servers
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@STRTSF Vote for us to be added to Scaleway! It’ll just take a second: https://www.scaleway.com/imagehub/ #indieweb: Vote for us to be… http://matter.vc/vote-for-us-to-be-added-to-scaleway-itll-just-take-a-second-httpst-cogf5uz7htx7-indieweb/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/653703244133236736)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: Vote for us to be added to Scaleway! It'll just take a second: https://www.scaleway.com/imagehub/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/653703415353085952)
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kylewm danlyke had an interesting thing about scaleway the other day http://www.flutterby.com/archives/comments/22485.html
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danlyke Yeah, I'm still amazed at the startup time for Perl to parse my CGI libraries, but also half-thinking that maybe I should just port my remaining Perl to C++.
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danlyke Run it all under Seastar or something...
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danlyke (And I just tweeted that link at Ben Werdmuller, so I'm guessing that the tweet Loqi quoted is related...)
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Loqi who, me?
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danlyke And I implemented caching for much of the page rendering, so though the startup time is still slow, I'm not rendering markdown to HTML with every request any more...
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benwerd danlyke: yep, thanks for the heads up :)
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danlyke Seems like the SSD is actually quite fast, so it's just CPU, and that's mostly noticeable during startup. So with an app server of some sort...
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@shauna_ummagma Thanks @OlasKoolKitchen @IndieAuth for playing @LightsThatChang 'Voices' http://t.co/q0nO0ThSS8. The latest single http://lightsthatchange.bandcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/653708703246389248)
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kevinmarks this seems like a very indieweb quote: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/653695669190811648
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@kevinmarks “Language is not a protocol legislated by an authority but rather a wiki that pools the contributions of millions of writers and speakers” (twitter.com/_/status/653695669190811648)
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snarfed danlyke: sounds like you want fastcgi/wsgi, ie reusing a long-lived perl runtime for many http requests
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@OlasKoolKitchen RT @shauna_ummagma: Thanks @OlasKoolKitchen @IndieAuth for playing @LightsThatChang 'Voices' http://t.co/q0nO0ThSS8. The latest single htt… (twitter.com/_/status/653716436460957696)
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