#indiewebcamp 2015-09-20

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snarfed huh wow
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KevinMarks https://plus.google.com/+KevinMarks/posts/FKrTLmiYYCB
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KevinMarks so when I register for twitter i need to put the callback URL /twitter/oauth_callback in ?
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KevinMarks hm. I think I installed everything in local python, not in the venv
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KevinMarks gah
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bear for anyone consuming or parsing twitter streams -- https://twittercommunity.com/t/moving-t-co-to-https-only-for-new-links/52380
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KevinMarks time to update the URL measuring code
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KevinMarks so, installing in venv seems like appengien doesn't see the code
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KevinMarks library dependencies in python are such a pain comapred to npm in node
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rabble hey i've been mulling over the idea of indieweb using ipfs instead of servers... is there anything pure js like known?
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bear I know some folks are making nodejs tools and libs, but I have not heard of anyone at the level that Known is at using it
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bear and I don't see any listed on /projects
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bear https://indiewebcamp.com/projects
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rabble bear: thanks, yeah probably node stuff is closest to what i want
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rabble known is really nice, but they've got a dedicated team
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bear you may want to send a tell to kevinmarks - I believe i've seen him ask or work with node in the past also aaronpk as he knows almost all of the active projects
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[snarfed] kevinmarks : you did the vendor.add('local') thing?
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[snarfed] that's what tells app engine about the venv
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rabble bear: i did talk to both aaronpk and KevinMarks about this a bit at xoxo
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[kevinmarks] I changed the python path in the venv to a system path so pip put everything there.
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[kevinmarks] I may have to scrub it all
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rabble there's a slack / irc gateway?
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GWG Yes
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aaronpk yeah you can join this chat via slack. http://slack.indiewebcamp.com to set it up
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[kevinmarks] Rabble, I did a bit in node, but it's mostly static
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aaronpk I believe glennjones does his stuff in node
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rabble aaronpk: oh thanks
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aaronpk can't remember if his site is open source, but lots of his tools and stuff are
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aaronpk https://github.com/glennjones?tab=repositories
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aaronpk http://glennjones.net/colophon
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rabble [kevinmarks]: static is what i want, this is to try and build indieweb blogging type platform, reading and publishing, but storing in to ipfs instead of a web server
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aaronpk iirc you still need something server-like that can join the ipfs network
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rabble aaronpk: yeah so my idea is to build an installed app which combines the ipfsgo node and then a NW.js/browserify front end
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rabble so it feels like you're installing an app
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rabble then exposed to the web browser through hosted ipfs gateways or ipfs plugins in to the browser
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rabble the idea which i've been itching at is that installing servers is hard for normal users to understand but installing an app isn't, and that most apps like facebook/twitter/snapchat/wahtsapp/etc.. are all just custom wrappers to web data
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rabble so perhaps we could get the indieweb by hiding from users that it's the web... or something
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bear if it's a static public facing generated site, then having everything live as an app makes a lot of sense
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aaronpk yeah, interesting
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bear the only gotcha is the webmention type stuff - but that can be handled by brid.gy or webmention.io
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aaronpk tho I don't think ipfs is necessary to get that functionality
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aaronpk assuming there were better/easier ways to get space on a server
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rabble aaronpk: yeah but serverless lets you publish interesting things ;-)
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bear the only reason for a web proxy would be for those who are not a part of ipfs
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bear (they would get the pure static view)
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aaronpk "interesting"?
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rabble yeah i want something which could replicate the app style experience of twitter
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rabble but which doesn't have issues of the company removing links, deleting accounts, deleting attachments
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rabble right now the social web has been pulled in to close apps
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rabble i think the need to setup servers instead of installing an app might be a block for network effects
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rabble maybe i'm crazy or just dumb, but i think it's worth a try
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aaronpk I like the framing of it
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bear anything that reduces the friction for normal user usage is +1 from me
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rabble basically twitter was going to be federated
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bear even if said app needs to do more work to distribute
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rabble but blaine's stuff got lost when jack fired him
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rabble blaine's federation stuff
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rabble and i was thinking waht if there was a microblogging medium instead of single service
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bear yea, that was such a sad set of months for me and the xsf folks
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rabble and what if we rethought it today
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rabble and today the way to do it is an app
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bear in some ways the indieweb setup is heading that way
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rabble i thought a decentralized thing was a lost cause until i started seeing stuff like ipfs came out andi realized you could build something on open standards and open source
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aaronpk seeing how effective Slack was with xoxo makes me think that we should try to get towards more of that kind of interaction than twitter-style interaction
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rabble which was also a good ux installed app
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bear if everyone posts to their own app and then others can see that via micropub readers
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rabble bear: yeah
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rabble we need some way of finding updates, user discovery, referring to people
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rabble but posting as html, or snippits, rss, etc... seem like it could work
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bear all except for new user discovery is handled now with indieweb
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rabble aaronpk: i think twitter is really holding back public real time dialog
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bear and even that could be done using well-knowns or such
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rabble bear: yeah i know indieweb has solved a lot of this, hance my coming back to the cannel
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aaronpk I'm a big fan of the style of interaction that IRC and Slack provide, small-ish communities self-organizing into topic-based channels
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bear (sorry, stating some obvious items just in case - did not want to assume)
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aaronpk and I'm noodling on how we might approach that from the indieweb perspective
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rabble has shown up to some of the indieweb camps, years ago...
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aaronpk http://news.indiewebcamp.com is an attempt at that, but I have some ideas now on how to make it more like chat
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aaronpk rabble: I would enjoy talking about this with you, you should come to the next homebrew website club and we can chat!
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rabble aaronpk: when is it?
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bear I would like to see a pubsubhubbub type setup
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aaronpk every other wednesday, and next wednesday is on
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bear it would allow people to choose if they want to publish a new items list locally or via push
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GWG bear: By the way, nice to see you around. Hope life is treating you well.
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aaronpk i'm gonna update the venue on the wiki right now, post to calagator etc
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rabble aaronpk: i'm going to new york for a week tomorrow, but then i'm back
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk oct 7 then!
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rabble yeah
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GWG rabble: I highly recommend New York. Although our Homebrew Website Club isn't doing as well as other ones.
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bear gwg - life has been treating me very well - managing a team of developers and also the ops team has made my free time scarce
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rabble lives in portland
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GWG rabble: I gathered that.
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rabble stated the obivious
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rabble aaronpk: you do it at beulahland so you don't need to walk more than 2 blocks from your house?
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aaronpk shh
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aaronpk no
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GWG rabble: There are 8.4 million people in New York City vs 610,000 in Portland, Oregon.
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aaronpk not at all :P
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rabble i mean it's good, i get to walk too ;-)
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GWG I should be able to find Indieweb-curious people here.
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aaronpk I've been moving it around as an experiment. but it's time to bring it back to the neighborhood
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Loqi yea
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-09-23-homebrew-website-club (+118) "add pdx" (view diff)
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rabble feels horribly antisocial when ever i see calagator
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aaronpk there's so much on calagator I gave up trying to follow it
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club (+117) "add pdx for Oct 7" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2015/planning (+183) "/* Help Out */" (view diff)
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bear aaronpk - http://hueniverse.com/2015/09/19/auth-to-see-the-wizard-or-i-wrote-an-oauth-replacement/
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rabble bear i think eren is doin ga new startup
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bear yea, that has been the talk around the office for a couple days now
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rabble goes and re-reads the pdf eren sent me. ;-)
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bear nice!
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[kevinmarks] Chatting to Deanna Zandt and Christina Warren at xoxo, they said they'd be interested in NY/brooklyn indieweb/Homebrew
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GWG KevinMarks: I'm happy to be involved with either HWC or IWC, as you know. For HWC, I lost zachdonovan. Haven't heard from him in a while.
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GWG My next plan is heading to Wordcamp NYC to try to drum up interest.
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GWG I'm not sure how I'll do that there
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[kevinmarks] If Rabble is in town, that may help round people up
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GWG I have to ask rhiaro how she pitches people in random places.
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voxpelli !tell rabble I do a lot of IndieWeb Node.js things: https://github.com/voxpelli And https://github.com/bcomnes also does some
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli It seems to currently be impossible to find out about the deletion of a post from an h-feed
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voxpelli The only documented discussion I find is: http://indiewebcamp.com/delete#Tombstoning But that isn't fully applicable on an h-feed as it still relies on an HTTP status code to find out about the delete status
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voxpelli unless an indie reader then regularly polls individual entries it will be impossible for it to find about deleted posts – and it will hard to do in realtime as a Pubsubhubbub update won't be enough – the individual posts would still have to be polled
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Zegnat Removal is no different from any other content change, right? So any reader that supports registering updates to posts should support removal. In the case of /delete#Tombstoning, the h-entry should have the same permalink as the deleted page, so even if the reader doesn’t realise it is a removal it can still register it as a change that has replaced all of the posts content with the deletion message.
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[aaronpk] voxpelli: this is why I've been brainstorming publishing a change log which includes things like deletes
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[aaronpk] The change log is useful for syncing readers or other servers, but is not what you'd want someone coming to your website to see
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[aaronpk] I have it built out for my new site that isn't launched yet. Every micropub request also writes a change log entry
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voxpelli If one wants to be fully transparent then publishing a subtle notice about deleted content in ones main feed is kind of nice :)
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voxpelli Zegnat: true, but a strictly worse experience than on eg. Twitter then
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://kylewm.com/2015/09/released-a-new-version-of-brevity-https-pypi-python http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/kylewm.com/2015/09/released-a-new-version-of-brevity-https-pypi-python
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GWG voxpelli: Shouldn't the reader handle how it displays or doesn't display it?
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voxpelli GWG: yes, but currently the delete info can only be included on the individual post page, not as part of the h-entry itself, so the reader will have little data to work on
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voxpelli Something like a dt-deleted / p-deleted would make it easy for them though
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kylewm +1
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KartikPrabhu what about simply repalcing the content with "this post was deleted"
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kylewm I'd rather be able to remove the post from a reader altogether
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Zegnat Is there some rel value that could be added to the permalink to inform everyone that the resource a link points to has been removed? "I deleted <a href="http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/05/bad-post" rel="fouroneoh" class="u-url">a post</a> ..."
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Zegnat e.g. informing parsers of the HTTP code of a resource without them needing to follow the link and do an extra request
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voxpelli Zegnat: looking at how mf2-parsers work rel:s are a bit harder to work with, plus rel:s should describe relation between current page and other page – not status or such
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KartikPrabhu rel scopes to the whole page so that might bot be ideal
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kylewm i could get behind u-deleted
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KartikPrabhu dt-deleted sounds better
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KartikPrabhu published, edited, deleted
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kylewm u-deleted as a property of the h-feed itself, even
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voxpelli kylewm: why u-deleted? What would the data be?
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kylewm the data would be the url of the 410 post?
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voxpelli I'm thinking property of h-entry that is either dt- or a p- with a reason of deletion
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voxpelli Then all clients will get the data anyhow
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kylewm yeah, that's good too
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kylewm for those who don't subscribe to granary repo, voxpelli started an interesting conversation about Atom's deleted-entry there too https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/39
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voxpelli Anyone keen on writing down this brief brainstorm on /deleted ? I had to leave the computer for a little while
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GWG I am wondering how people mark up site name
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KartikPrabhu GWG: what's the use-case for special mark up?
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GWG I want to, if the site has an explicit name, use it instead of the domain in the generated comment on my site.
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KartikPrabhu Do people have site names ?
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GWG For example, Bob mentioned this article on Bob's site. vs Bob mentioned this on bob.com
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Bear calls his the bearlog I believe
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KartikPrabhu sure. My site does too but that is only 2 of them
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GWG If there isn't one, I would fall back to domain name.
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GWG But still a use case
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voxpelli My site name is less descriptive than my domain name :P
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aaronpk yeah this sounds a lot like the "changelog" idea
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GWG Take a multi Author site as an example then.
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aaronpk basically I'm planning on publishing a changelog which itself is an h-feed where each h-entry is actually a description of the change
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aaronpk so one entry might be "deleted this post" and have a u-deleted property and dt-published
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voxpelli aaronpk: why u-deleted and not dt-deleted or p-deleted?
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aaronpk u-deleted because the value is the URL of the post that was deleted
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aaronpk the changelog entry has its own URL which is at u-url
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voxpelli What would a publish post look like?
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aaronpk we encounter the same problem when you want to update a post that may be off the first page of the h-feed, so there's no way to get readers to update the post unless you bump the post back to the front page
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aaronpk and I want my front page to be sorted by publish date, so you need a different feed that can propagate updates
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aaronpk a publish post might say "published a post" with u-created={url of the post}
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voxpelli Deletion of posts that's not in the front page is pretty rare
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voxpelli And probably not something that is of interest to many readers
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aaronpk i'd hate to build a protocol and system that makes it impossible to delete things that aren't on the front page
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voxpelli aaronpk: you can always delete it on its own permalink
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aaronpk but that makes it impossible to propagate to readers/consumers
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KartikPrabhu does anyone have deleted/tombstoned posts?
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voxpelli Deleting it from the front page is just to make things easier for readers
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#IndieWeb_Examples
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voxpelli If I moved all of my tweets to my site – then I would certainly remove posts every now and the
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aaronpk i'm sure there are more
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aaronpk i'll see if i can dig up one of mine
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voxpelli In the context of WebMentions I think deleted posts has been discussed for a while
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voxpelli And implemented
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/03/1
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voxpelli Not as many work on readers as work on WebMentions though
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voxpelli aaronpk: the likelihood that people publish tombstones on their front pages is probably higher than that they publish changelogs
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aaronparecki.com edited /deleted (+603) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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voxpelli (a fix for update of old entries could be to add prev/next support to Pubsubhubbub somehow, but looking into that now feels premature)
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aaronpk I guess the issue I'm having is that if I delete something from my home page, I don't want to see it there. In order to tombstone it in my home page h-feed, I'd have to create an invisible h-entry then
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voxpelli One could make it very subtle or even hide it I guess
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kylewm that is a concern, don't necessarily want to publicize (more than necessary) that i deleted kylewm.com/post-i-made-in-anger-and-now-regret
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kylewm like, i don't mind if it's literally "public" but i don't want to advertise it
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aaronpk right
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voxpelli should be okay to just make it hidden then
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voxpelli At least the URL part
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voxpelli even though that goes against typical mf style
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aaronpk yeah that's why I'm hesitant to do that
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KartikPrabhu use CSS to hide post from honmepage?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: maybe start a /site-name with examples and your use-csae for markup?
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KartikPrabhu what is site-name?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "site-name" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102z
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yeah, to hide the delete-data to the extent that it actually doesn't advertise the deleted post anymore
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KartikPrabhu yes that's what I mean't
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KartikPrabhu have the deleted post in HTML but then hide it with CSS to not advert it
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voxpelli There's no other way to make data public without making it public as I see it
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aaronpk public != advertised
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[snarfed] agreed
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[snarfed] this is the age old hidden metadata debate
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[snarfed] and i get the arguments against it, but in certain cases like this, it makes sense
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: does hiding with CSS not work?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: it just means you can't delete things that have fallen off the front page
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KartikPrabhu oh I see as in people won't gt updates/show up in reader
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[snarfed] well, more narrowly, you can't guarantee the deletes propagate to all reader users
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[snarfed] you could include a much longer window of deleted posts in your feed
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[snarfed] since the markup can be very small
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aaronpk i suppose so, it just feels like all the solutions like that start turning the home page feed into more of a changelog than what you actually want people to see on your home page
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voxpelli aaronpk: I think you're mixing up two things now – the of the front page problem is independent of the tombstone metadata one I think
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KartikPrabhu related but I have been meaning to order feed by updated instead of published and only use updated for major changes
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: you also want someone coming to your home page to see recently updated things? like outside of a reader
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KartikPrabhu updated as in major edits to content, yes
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[snarfed] aaronpk: agreed! i think we're all looking it mainly because it's a smaller, easier, more incremental change than full changelog
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KartikPrabhu thinks it is good to advertise when you change views/update old arguments
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[snarfed] s/looking/liking/
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Loqi [snarfed] meant to say: aaronpk: agreed! i think we're all liking it mainly because it's a smaller, easier, more incremental change than full changelog
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[snarfed] stops trying to keep up on phone :P
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: aren't phones supposed to be as good as real computers? ;)
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voxpelli I think very few would publish or consume changelogs
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voxpelli And changelogs in themselves are kind of hidden metadata as they're not really meant for direct consumption?
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voxpelli [snarfed]: I'm on phone as well ;)
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I haven't figured out what markup should be or if anyone is marking it up.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: no but collecting use-cases and examples will help that
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GWG I'm starting the page.
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GWG What is site name?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "site name" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1030
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GWG Site name is the explicit or implied name of a site, as opposed to the name of individual elements or pages.
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loqi.me created /Site_name (+135) "prompted by GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-20/line/1442770776608 and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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voxpelli What is site?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indiewebcamp.com/site
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voxpelli That's unexpected :P
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KartikPrabhu GWG: there ^ now add your use-case for comment-presentation
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david.shanske.com created /site_name (+23) "Redirected page to [[Site name]]" (view diff)
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voxpelli Site name can have many sources I'm thinking – I eg. mark up https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ as h-x-app and p-name
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KartikPrabhu yes
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voxpelli And that's what a service like Twitter would do as well
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KartikPrabhu hence use-cases
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KartikPrabhu for "apps" it makes sense to have h-x-app
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voxpelli maybe also a distinction between feeds and sites – is it the feed one is interested in or the actual site
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KartikPrabhu like "posted using Quill"
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KartikPrabhu another thing is my site name only appears on homepage
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yeah, the "using" is interesting as well – I almost added that to my webmention endpoint (especially nice for brid.gy)
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KartikPrabhu ooo bridgy mentioning is neat. I might update my comments display to do that
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KartikPrabhu "on Twitter via Bridgy"
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voxpelli feels nice to add some discoverability of such a nice tool :)
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KartikPrabhu agrees
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KartikPrabhu bridgy++ more bridgy love
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Loqi bridgy has 24 karma
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david.shanske.com edited /Site_name (+0) "/* Indieweb Examples */" (view diff)
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GWG Starting there
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david.shanske.com edited /Site_name (+268) "/* Implementation */" (view diff)
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snarfed currently testing out https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/456 (search for mentions; depended on #51) for kylewm and me. took way too much work, but it looks good so far!
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snarfed e.g. the top response here: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kylewmahan#responses
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snarfed is this tweet: https://twitter.com/anarcho/status/643921641664200704
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@anarcho Television politics connection 10:38am PDT - https://kylewm.com/2015/09/repost-of-glenn-greenwald-the-new-revolving-door #GoogleAlerts (twitter.com/_/status/643921641664200704)
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snarfed which propagated as a mention to https://kylewm.com/2015/09/repost-of-glenn-greenwald-the-new-revolving-door
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@LukasRosenstock When a global brand like Nescafé moves their website to Tumblr, does it mean the #indieweb is dead?! http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/15/9329287/nescafe-tumblr-brand-website?utm_content=buffer8a8b5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/645674044151496704)
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GWG I'm intrigued by this via Bridgy idea. I didn't even think of apps.
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snarfed had to roll back the bridgy search for mentions feature due to a bad memory leak. will debug. feel free to follow along: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/456#issuecomment-141822487
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KevinMarks Breno said we should eb using the OAuth 2.0 api for google, not the google plus one https://plus.google.com/+KevinMarks/posts/FKrTLmiYYCB
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[snarfed] ah interesting, thanks
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KevinMarks though that seems like a 'tell the other bits of google to change their wrappers, not us external devs' thign to me
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KevinMarks I am now in maze of twisty google auth apis, all slightly different
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KevinMarks so the appengine default auth silently gives me the user's email address, but no profile image or name, but if I want those I have to auth against G+ which warns then I'm getting their email and may bounce. o_O
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KevinMarks distinctly remembers inventing OpenSocial to solve this 'I just want their name, photo and URL, dammit' problem
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KevinMarks silos gonna silo
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aaronpk this is the "OAuth is not authentication" thing again
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KevinMarks Breno was the one who pointed that out, which led to the "OMG we have to patch twitter" weekend
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aaronpk argh I'm really wanting the ability to create my own foursquare lists on my site, along with a litle comment about why I added something
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GWG KevinMarks: After working on this for so long...do you see a light at the end of the silo tunnel?
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KevinMarks is this to vsist list as opposed to check-ins?
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aaronpk KevinMarks: yeah, or like bookmarking places so I have a curated list of things to refer to
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KevinMarks place-tagging?
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aaronpk no, that'd be adding a place-tag to a post
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KevinMarks GWG I do when in here, but when I have to look at silo APIs again it is a bit disappointing
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GWG KevinMarks: I feel the same. Unfortunately, there is a world beyond IRC that is closing in.
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aaronpk darnit, instagram seems to have stopped sending me posts for some people
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GWG KevinMarks: It makes me think of what Martin Luther King said in Memphis
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GWG "Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it really doesn't matter with me now, because I've been to the mountaintop."
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M-kegan Hmmm, snarfed I may need to borrow your knowledge on various silo apis at some point to integrate them with Matrix.org
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[snarfed] M-kegan: sure! feel free to start with granary and oauth-dropins, all our knowledge is built into them :P
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M-kegan nods
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M-kegan The oauth dropins look great
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[snarfed] they depend on app engine
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[snarfed] but granary doesn't!
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GWG tantek: I'm still trying to figure out why your mention came out differently than most.
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tantek GWG, maybe a couple of things. 1) my permalink was wrong and I fixed it after sending the webmention (f2 vs f1), 2) my markup is both quite custom and quite minimal
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Loqi tantek: voxpelli left you a message 1 day, 6 hours ago: no reason WebMention endpoint can't be included and discovered on an HTTP 401 response so sending a mention to a private post should be possible? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-19/line/1442677092492
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tantek I did try to rewebmention the old and new permalink
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tantek to see if that would fix it
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tantek GWG, do you implement webmention CRUD? that is, e.g. the /delete protocol?
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GWG tantek: I don't think the webmention plugin for WordPress does. But I can check the code and add it to the list of things that we might want in the future on Github
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tantek definitely!
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GWG It dedupes, but it doesn't update or delete
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GWG Actually, it does update.
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GWG But it isn't a webmention issue on WordPress, it would be a Semantic Linkbacks issue.
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GWG If it is returning an h-entry with prose.
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tantek GWG - have you considered showing likes without moderation? Or is that even an option in Semantic Linkbacks? E.g. to show likes + reposts without queuing for moderation, while still queuing all comments for moderation?
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GWG tantek: It isn't, but that is an interesting idea. I went for a domain whitelist to solve that problem.
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GWG tantek: Either way, I'm still trying to figure out why it thought your name was "Tantek likes David Shanske's Trying to Explain the Indieweb"
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GWG Issue Filed as well for that good idea
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GWG The question is if that makes sense as a default
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GWG snarfed: You auto-approve all webmentions. What do you think about auto-approving all likes, favorites, reposts, etc but not all webmentions that are turned into comments?
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snarfed GWG: not an itch for me, but if it is for you, go for it!
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GWG snarfed: I'm just contemplating if it is right for Semantic Linkbacks.
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GWG Is there abuse risk?
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GWG I can see I might not like a comment, but how could a like be something I would not want to display?
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GWG Well, maybe, "Adolf Hitler liked your article."
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KevinMarks right, you're still injecting a link and some text
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snarfed hey KevinMarks, apart from g+ vs google oauth 2, did you get o-d working ok? you had to recreate your venv, right?
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KevinMarks i didn't get to it yet
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KevinMarks linking venv to /usr/bin/python python means everything is installed now so the venv doesn't have a copy
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GWG I suppose the second factor would be required. If it is a like and they have previously approved like.
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KevinMarks I my just drop the oauth-dropins folder in and founder code it for a bit
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snarfed KevinMarks: lol ok. totally understand. apologies again for the trouble, and thanks again for the bug reports, they're all on my todo list
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KevinMarks storing up that yak debt
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aaronpk I've been thinking a lot about how to handle putting things into collections from micropub
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aaronpk kind of like specifying one or more "destinations" for a post when it's created
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GWG Hmm...tantek issued his own SSL certificate. That explains another odd issue
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rhiaro aaronpk: collections is somethign my subconscious has been mulling
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GWG rhiaro: Can you tell me again how you convince people to come to HWC? I'm going to a Wordcamp next month, and want to come up with a strategy.
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rhiaro GWG: I don't have a strategy, but social websites is really the only conversation topic I know so it just happens
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rhiaro What you don't hear about is all the times I enthuse about it to someone and they're like "u nerd" and leave
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rhiaro or along the lines of "I'm sure you're having fun, but I have more important things to do"
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rhiaro "that sounds great but......... oh I think I left the oven on"
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GWG rhiaro: I'm fine with being called you nerd. It is like nostalgia. Or did you mean u-nerd...a new microformat?
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rhiaro Hah!
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rhiaro I'll take u-nerd
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rhiaro I have to go now, but aaronpk, ping me whenever you want to talk about collections and hopefully you'll catch me when I'm awake etc
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aaronpk ooookay
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aaronpk hopefully i will have something written up by then
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aaronpk working on...something
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rhiaro has to be up bright and early for visa interview in the morning
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rhiaro ooh ...something
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rhiaro intriguing
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aaronpk hint: http://aaron.pk/a4cw1
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GWG Do we have a wiki page on recruitment?
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GWG What is recruiting?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recruiting" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1031
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GWG Anything similar, I wonder
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rhiaro collection for logs?
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aaronpk kinda
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rhiaro I've been storing number of messages sent on irc every 2 hours, want to post those in a collection
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aaronpk hah nice
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rhiaro as a quantified self thing
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rhiaro interesting patterns on day/time etc
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rhiaro But for now, goodnight!
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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GWG rhiaro: Just remember, tell them the U.S. has the best education in the world. It isn't necessarily true, but...
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