#indiewebcamp 2015-08-07

2015-08-07 UTC
j12t, tilgovi, snarfed1, frzn, cmhobbs, KevinMarks, KevinMarks_ and snarfed joined the channel
#
kylewm
interesting, I just noticed that Instagram photos on Facebook have the permalink of the photo in the "Instagram" link at the top
lukebrooker joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__
so you only get a "see original" link if you're owned by FB?
indie-visitor joined the channel
#
Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
snarfed, lukebrooker and j12t joined the channel
#
@moellus
”žBridgy offers backfeed, POSSE, and webmention support as a service.“ https://www.brid.gy/about #bridgy #rtm
(twitter.com/_/status/629466311672918017)
j12t, KartikPrabhu, snarfed, KevinMarks, KevinMarks_ and lukebrooker joined the channel
#
acegiak1
morning all
#
Loqi
acegiak1: GWG left you a message 4 days, 5 hours ago: I'm having thoughts again. I need to be stopped. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-02/line/1438552691047
#
GWG
Morning, acegiak1
#
GWG
acegiak: How are the salmentions oing?
uhhyeahbret, KartikPrabhu, snarfed, tilgovi, wolftune and gRegorLove joined the channel
yakker, awolf, lewisnyman, KevinMarks, cweiske, eschenal, eschnou, LukasRos, loic_m, glennjones, KevinMarks_, friedcell, tvn, j12t, evalica, evalica1, petermolnar, KevinMarks___, Sebastien-L and adactio joined the channel
#
acegiak
Man I really want a decentralised open source messaging app >.<
#
Loqi
acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 week, 4 days ago: Some of what I'm doing is up in the GIthub repo, if you want to look http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-26/line/1437958675599
#
Loqi
acegiak: GWG left you a message 4 days, 12 hours ago: I'm having thoughts again. I need to be stopped. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-02/line/1438552691047
#
acegiak
like, my indieweb experience is making me less tolerant of silos
lewisnyman, sammachin2, j12t, friedcell, gRegorLove_, MatrixBridge, renoirb, zachdonovan_, Nowaker, M-kegan, tallpaul, oddvar, keroberos, ttepasse and frzn joined the channel
#
voxpelli
acegiak: what kind of messaging app?
cweiske, KevinMarks__, acegiak, MMN-o, rektide, martinBrown, XgF, edsu, WHARGARBL, cstanhope, __number5__, brianloveswords, jancborchardt, j12t, friedcell and alexhartley joined the channel
#
davidpea.ch
edited /scrobble (+255) "Add David Peach's example."
(view diff)
j12t joined the channel
frzn, djwesto, thehighfiveghost, LukasRos, fkooman and fourtonfish joined the channel
#
vanderven.se martijn
edited /Medium (+1087) "Add two more examples"
(view diff)
#
cweiske
is bridgy already backfeeding medium per-paragraph comments as webmentions?
friedcell, KevinMarks, yakker, snarfed, uhhyeahbret, lewisnyman, friedcell1, shiflett-coffee, mlncn, petermolnar and [snarfed] joined the channel
#
[snarfed]
cweiske: no, bridgy doesn't support medium yet
#
[snarfed]
i don't use medium, so it's not an itch for me personally, but feel free to file a feature request!
KevinMarks_ joined the channel
#
aaronpk
turning on clustered notifications in 3...
chalettu joined the channel
#
aaronpk
now we wait...
#
M-kegan
aaronpk, you do oauth2 stuff right?
#
M-kegan
I'm trying to come up with a decent interface for supporting arbitrary oauth2 endpoints
#
aaronpk
code interface?
#
M-kegan
based off my experience with indieauth and CAS (which is basically oauth2 afaik)
#
M-kegan
yeah code interface
#
aaronpk
you can kind of do that, but unfortunately oauth2 providers are sometimes quite different from each other. there isn't necessarily nearly as much in common between providers compared to oauth 1
#
M-kegan
I've got as far as specifying (asyncly if necessary as in the case with indieauth) endpoint/redirect URLs, and the concept of creating/storing/retrieving sessions for the query params
#
aaronpk
that seems like a good start
#
M-kegan
I was just going to have them return the query params they want to end up attaching, given providers can vary so much
#
M-kegan
but not sure if I can be any more helpful without getting in the way
friedcell joined the channel
#
M-kegan
I suppose I could ship with certain common impls like google/fb
#
M-kegan
which might be Good Enough
#
aaronpk
are you familiar with Ruby's OmniAuth?
#
M-kegan
I am not
#
aaronpk
probably worth checking it out, at least at the API level https://github.com/intridea/omniauth
#
aaronpk
they've done a good job of making a framework for interacting with OAuth providers
[snarfed] joined the channel
#
[snarfed]
yay congrats on clustering aaronpk!
#
aaronpk
crossing my fingers!
#
M-kegan
looks interesting, thanks aaronpk
#
[snarfed]
M-kegan also see https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins for precedent and ideas (it has a common API too)
#
M-kegan
excellent, that one looks nice, thanks
#
aaronpk
i fully expect there will be many bugs with the new notifications, so feel free to file issues with permalinks to problem notifications here! https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues
KevinMarks, cweiske and KevinMarks___ joined the channel
#
[snarfed]
testing lightly...
KevinMarks2, KevinMarks and thehighfiveghost joined the channel
#
aaronpk
wow we get a lot of totally bogus pingback spam sent to the wiki
tilgovi, j12t and behind_you joined the channel
#
aaronpk
so weird, just got a junk pingback from an alpha.app.net profile to a wiki page
#
KevinMarks__
I think he overdoes the book fidelity in some ways; and reduces contrast slightly too much
#
KevinMarks__
and just hiding the sidenotes when the measure is narrow instead of making them dynamic seems a bit off
#
KevinMarks__
and his main column-width figure isn't
#
KevinMarks__
and it uses a graph style Tufte explicitly rejects
#
voxpelli
M-kegan: another OmniAuth-like example if you want a reference: https://github.com/jaredhanson/passport-oauth2
#
voxpelli
(also made one myself many years ago for Drupal: https://www.drupal.org/project/oauthconnector )
#
M-kegan
voxpelli: that looks great, since I'm actually doing this in javascript as it turns out. Where does the "User" object come from?
KevinMarks_ joined the channel
#
voxpelli
M-kegan: Passport has some mechanism for implementations on top of something like the oauth2 one, like Facebook, to extract profile data into common profile data
#
voxpelli
M-kegan: that's actually the main challenge when doing authentication with OAuth that OAuth itself doesn't specify any authentication/profile-related stuff as OAuth in itself is just for authorization
#
M-kegan
hum.
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
M-kegan
wonders how much he should just defer to using something like passport so he can get on with other things
#
M-kegan
guess it will depend on what kind of hoops they make you jump through :D
#
voxpelli
M-kegan: I use passport for all of my authentication needs for the last few years
thehighfiveghost, KevinMarks, ttepasse_, KevinMarks_ and KevinMarks___ joined the channel
#
voxpelli
Got glennjones node.js microformat module working in React Native on iOS today – not sure what to do with it, but a fun experiment
awolf, KevinMarks, j12t, benwerd, snarfed, coolball and lewisnyman joined the channel
#
ben_thatmustbeme
its been quite a quiet day
#
ben_thatmustbeme
summer lull?
#
snarfed
we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the first clustered notifs
#
KevinMarks__
sends fb invites
#
aaronpk
oh you know what I didn't do? the "and 4 others" bit
benwerd and modem joined the channel
#
aaronpk
eh we'll see what happens
#
aaronpk
might hit the IRC limit
#
snarfed
oh you mean you didn't truncate *or* add the count? hoo boy fun
#
snarfed
grabs popcorn
#
KevinMarks__
hm, no invites coming through?
#
aaronpk
i haven't seen any bridgy mentions yet
#
snarfed
feel free to hit the poll now button for whoever created the event
#
aaronpk
braces for impact
#
snarfed
aaronpk i assume no 5m extension yet, right?
#
aaronpk
correct
#
aaronpk
whatever it has at the end of 60 seconds from the first webmention will be sent
#
aaronpk
i'm actually thinking about slightly different logic anyway. something like it sends the first notification immediately, and if another one comes shortly after *then* it starts buffering them
#
KevinMarks__
hm, dud kyle make it?
#
aaronpk
that way you don't lose the immediate notifications of comments when there's only one
#
snarfed
i thought you decided not to cluster comments at all?
#
aaronpk
oh yeah, the other stuff
#
snarfed
immediate notif for those seems useful, likes/reposts/rsvps less so
#
KevinMarks__
looks like kylewm needs to reauth: https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
#
snarfed
benwerd too
#
aaronpk
i suppose. anyway, we'll see how this feels and adjust accordingly.
#
KevinMarks__
!tell kylewm you need to reauth with facebook so we get HWC pings https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
#
Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
aaronpk
apple just broke their store website
#
aaronpk
the page navigation doesn't actually take you to a new URL, so you can't navigate back to the page you were on once you're looking at a product
snarfed1 and Erkan_Yilmaz joined the channel
#
aaronpk
oboy. i am getting bridgy notifications from really old facebook posts
#
snarfed1
yeah, expected. two new changes, one half baked
benwerd joined the channel
#
aaronpk
k cool
#
snarfed1
https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/435 should be fully new responses (nested comments)
#
snarfed1
https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/438 will be nice but isn't done yet
lewisnyman, KartikPrabhu and _fran joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__
“I feel like my grandfather when I lurch into language like this, but in those days when people wanted to respond to someone else’s post, they wrote something on their own sites and stuck in a link. In many ways I think that we should have stuck with that way of handling communication through webloggia, that we should have dug around and find new ways to optimise that process ”
lewisnyman joined the channel
#
ben_thatmustbeme
phew, back... ubuntu switched to nouveau driver and that resulted in this really funny bug of whenver chrome tried to access hardware excellerationg, the GPU FREAKED OUT
#
ben_thatmustbeme
that was quite fun
[aaronpk] joined the channel
#
[aaronpk]
And people wonder why I use a Mac
#
[aaronpk]
kevinmarks: that's awesome
#
KartikPrabhu
wants to retort with "and people wonder why I use Twitter instead of my managing my own site"
#
gRegorLove
"webloggia" haha
#
rhiaro
How is the HWC list of dates at the bottom of /next-hwc generated?
#
rhiaro.co.uk
edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+122) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */"
(view diff)
#
rhiaro.co.uk
edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+11) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */"
(view diff)
chreekat joined the channel
#
rhiaro.co.uk
created /events/2015-08-13-homebrew-website-club (+1894) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> = <span class="p-name summary">Homebrew Website Club Meetup</span> = == Details == === When === <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">...""
(view diff)
#
rhiaro
breaks all the rules and arranges HWC on a Thursday
#
fran.io
created /Template:fran.io (+79) "Created template"
(view diff)
#
fran.io
created /User:Fran.io (+67) "Stub user page"
(view diff)
#
fran.io
edited /User:Fran.io (+8) "Link text"
(view diff)
#
gRegorLove
rhiaro: /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club has the HWC footer dates.
snarfed1 and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__
so, gillmor gang in 15 mins. Anythign I should mention?
#
GWG
KevinMarks__: Like what?
#
KevinMarks__
indieweb related news, other neat tech things
#
GWG
KevinMarks__: I still am trying to find WordPress people interested in going Indieweb. I need people to reply and like.
#
snarfed1
KevinMarks: feel free to mention the FB API slide. e.g. https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ will probably die in october. background: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31801856
lewisnyman and mattronix_ joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__
just went live
fkooman, snarfed and Deledrius joined the channel
#
KevinMarks__
talking debates
snarfed and [aaronpk] joined the channel
#
[aaronpk]
hello%20world
#
[aaronpk]
hah that wasn't supposed to happen
#
[aaronpk]
crossing my fingers...
#
[aaronpk]
so close
#
[aaronpk]
one more time
[aaronpk2] joined the channel
#
[aaronpk2]
awesome, that worked!
#
[aaronpk]
so the web "beta" chat is more awesome now
#
KevinMarks__
what changed?
[Kevin_web] joined the channel
#
[Kevin_web]
trying it now
#
[aaronpk]
I made it use the same slack gateway code, so it won't keep nicks stuck around, and acts less like IRC now
#
KevinMarks__
so if I close the window kevin_web will go away
#
[aaronpk]
nope, it goes away after 10 minutes of it being idle
wolftune joined the channel
#
[aaronpk]
now it saves your nick in a cookie!
friedcell, snarfed and shaners joined the channel
#
shaners
Hi all. Long time.
#
GWG
Hello, shaners.
#
@dougmckown
The only real solution is sharing as a open protocol — sharing:// #indieweb https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/629748704359002112
(twitter.com/_/status/629775235483607040)
#
snarfed
hey shaners, how's homesteading?
#
shaners
snarfed: It's been backburned for a bit. Trying to ramp back up.
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
snarfed
got it
interactivist, eschenal, KevinMarks_, fkooman, eschnou, KartikPrabhu, KevinMarks, scor and benwerd joined the channel
#
@kevinmarks
Hey @ow! I ❤ your post “The modern internet sucks: Bring back Geocities” http://tnw.to/a4kAA come join http://indiewebcamp.com
(twitter.com/_/status/629799757255290880)
KevinMarks_ and indie-visitor joined the channel
#
Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
benwerd_ joined the channel