#indiewebcamp 2015-08-05

2015-08-05 UTC
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aaronpk evening
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GWG Evening, aaronpk
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GWG Any Indieweb excitement?
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aaronpk sadly not tonight
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GWG I am still refining code, which is not glamorous
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aaronpk i understand
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GWG I have a naive optimism about it though
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GWG I figure if I became a good enough WordPress devrloper, maybe I can get more done on changing WordPress.
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[aaronpk] hmm I wonder if this works here now
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[aaronpk] Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 366 karma
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GWG On the other hand, I could end up a great developer and still not get things to change.
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[aaronpk] both hands sound pretty great
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rhiaro new post type \o/ http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/1438731932
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rhiaro now i can sleep
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rhiaro needed to somehow account for the hours I wasn't staring at a screen this afternoon. What better way than log papers read!
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[aaronpk] side effect of the new slack-irc integration, Loqi recognizes slack users as IRC users
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Loqi who, me?
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[aaronpk] rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 137 karma
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GWG rhiaro: I should add that to my list too
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rhiaro Now i have three read posts, I guess I should put them on the wiki or something
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rhiaro I hear that's the done thing around these parts.
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rhiaro wonders vaguely what she broke in the pursuit of hastily adding new post types
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GWG rhiaro, probably because it scratches an itch
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rhiaro GWG: do you use a social network that explicitly does Read-type posts? Is that what Goodreads does?
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benwerd (rhiaro: we're designing one that does this)
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rhiaro ooh, go on benwerd?
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GWG rhiaro: I don't use Goodreads
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gRegorLove I use Goodreads
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gRegorLove And I've done a few posts worth of testing "reading progress"
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rhiaro gRegorLove: does goodreads have something that could be considered a 'read' post type? Like, a post for 'I read this'?
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gRegorLove Doc on http://indiewebcamp.com/media_checkin#IndieWeb_Examples, though a lot of people don't care for the term "media checkin"
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GWG gRegorLove: What does progress convey?
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rhiaro aha right. I was going to update /read
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gRegorLove It looks like we don't have a page for 'progress convey' . . .
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[kylewm] iirc, Goodreads is a bit strange. you aren't marking it read so much as you are moving it from the "To Read" shelf to the "Read" shelf
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rhiaro oh it's all there. I'll mvoe to media_checkin
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rhiaro thanks
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[kylewm] gets a slack proxy!!
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[kylewm] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 922 karma
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[aaronpk] woo!
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gRegorLove rhiaro: Yeah, Goodreads is weird. Basically each book has a "review" attached to it, and that review can be on one or more shelves.
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gRegorLove And that review can also have multiple 'progress' entries
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rhiaro interesting
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gRegorLove rhiaro: /read sounds like a good place to me. I only put it on /media_checkin because that seemed to be the place at the time.
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GWG gRegorLove: What do you want out of a progress post?
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rhiaro gRegorLove: want me to move your example to /read, or will you?
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rhiaro well, see if you like my edit first
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gRegorLove I like being able to track how long it too me to read a book, what percentage I have completed, and sometimes the fun chart that Goodreads can show as a result (though it's buried)
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kylewm "read" is annoyingly ambiguous
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gRegorLove Uhmmm, I have no idea bout moving stuff around. I leave stuff like that to tantek, the wiki organization pro. Hehe
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kylewm q.v. https://twitter.com/tsancio/status/541284790314762240
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@tsancio @caseyjohnston read the full article. There's a chicken and egg problem w/ female tech role models. Men want to be the next Jobs/Gates/etc. (twitter.com/_/status/541284790314762240)
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GWG gRegorLove: Good answer
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gRegorLove It's been pointed out that my reading progress posts are really /bookmarks, though that's also an overloaded term. ::shrug::
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gRegorLove I should do some screenshots for /Goodreads
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Loqi yea!
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /read (+1552) "Read posts" (view diff)
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rhiaro I copied relevant stuff from media-checkin, please do update/edit/whatever
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gRegorLove What is book?
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Loqi book is a written work https://indiewebcamp.com/book
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kylewm huh, surprisingly few synonyms for the word read
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aaronpk i bugs me that "read" and "read" are spelled the same
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kylewm lol, yeah that's what i was complaining about
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kylewm read posts could be recommendations, or logging an activity you did
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gRegorLove I suppose it opens up the need for to-read posts, too.
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gRegorLove "I want to read this..."
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kylewm Goodreads also has "I own this"
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kylewm as a qualifier for read/to-read
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gRegorLove Yep, as an attribute of the "review"
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /media_checkin (+11) "See also: read" (view diff)
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kylewm I always felt braggy checking that box :)
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gRegorLove Haha
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rhiaro i-done-read-it posts
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rhiaro or we just call it read-of posts
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rhiaro still kinda weird. Too tired to really think about it more.
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aaronpk i'm found it's easier to experiment with this stuff by just posting text/photo posts
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aaronpk I wouldn't know what to call half of these, but they are on my site regardless http://aaronparecki.com/tag/cocktail
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kylewm oh yeah, I was doing those for a while https://kylewm.com/tags/read
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rhiaro aaronpk: recipe? there's even a microformat for that
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aaronpk they're not all recipes!
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aaronpk some of them are "try-this" posts
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aaronpk :P
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rhiaro sorry.. I just used the irc client hover preview of the page because firefox has crashed
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rhiaro \o/
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rhiaro time to call it a nigh.
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rhiaro t
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aaronpk what do you call a recipe that is just an idea but has not yet been made?
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rhiaro boundless potential
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rhiaro and, does it make a sound if it falls over in the woods?
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gregorlove.com edited /Goodreads (+307) "Start of features list" (view diff)
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aaronpk only if the sum of the ingredients can be more delicious than the components
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kylewm which describes anything involving bitters
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kylewm good tasting thing + godawful tasting thing = great tasting thing!
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gregorlove.com edited /Goodreads (+4) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /books (+18) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Goodreads (+11) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Goodreads (+623) "/* Features */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think that's a good start on /Goodreads#Features. I'll add some UI screenshots later.
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kylewm oh dang
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kylewm "See Original" is gone from Facebook?
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aaronpk oh noooo
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aaronpk it's gone on the old ones too!
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aaronpk bo
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aaronpk boo
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wagle what was it?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "it" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1010
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KevinMarks it's still a recipe
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wagle i tend to ignore facebook
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kylewm wagle: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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KevinMarks a recipe isn't necessarily an algorithm, it can just be hints
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wagle looks ike you called it
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wagle looks like you called it
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kylewm tis a hollow victory
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wagle ya
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gRegorLove How do you get the "via kylewm.com" at the top? Is that Bridgy Publish?
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kylewm no, that's the name of my application (Red Wind installation)
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gRegorLove Ah
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GWG Playing musical functions
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@ricksmithbooks Learn how to publish your PAPERBACK with CreateSpace on Amazon. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RPP01H0/ref=cm_sw_su_dp (twitter.com/_/status/628772524273307649)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kevinmarks Faving a fav is doable in #indieweb, though not sure how it would be displayed. https://twitter.com/snipeyhead/status/628803330286850052 (twitter.com/_/status/628823251905478656)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/r/readmatter-i-only-got-to linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/r/zeynep-in-reply-to-httpst-co7tiqpteliw linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@ricksmithbooks Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RPP01H0/ref=cm_sw_su_dp (twitter.com/_/status/628832973207552000)
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@SukiSather RT @ricksmithbooks: Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RPP01H0/ref=cm_sw_su_dp (twitter.com/_/status/628833079633641472)
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petermolnar quiet day
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GWG Is it?
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GWG Guess so
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/08/homebrew-website-club linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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jonnybarnes hey guys
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aaronpk this is great http://techcrunch.com/gallery/twitters-homepage-over-the-years/
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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jonnybarnes can I send a test webmention to someon please? it'll come from my .dev domain though!
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indie-visitor bc_small
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snarfed jonnybarnes: ask forgiveness not permission
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snarfed ie just send it :P
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: if you send it from your .dev domain, the receiver's endpoint won't be able to verify it
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jonnybarnes but I don't want to break someone’s site when they try to retreive a webmention from jbl5.dev
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aaronpk you can send one to mine and you'll get back a status page that tells you it failed
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snarfed it'll work if you send it to yourself
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jonnybarnes snarfed: and that would also check the receiving code works
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snarfed the internet is a wild and woolly place. anyone can send any kind of webmention to anyone else. if someone's wm endpoint breaks when it can't fetch the source, generally it's better for them to find out and fix it :P
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aaronpk +1
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snarfed (plus that would very rarely cause any "damage" beyond the individual request)
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snarfed hoo boy. in other news….i sometimes wonder if i should stop mentioning fb api problems here…but they just keep finding ways to break bridgy
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snarfed specifically, "singular published story API is deprecated for versions v2.4 and higher": https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer?method=GET&path=10205638678274856&version=v2.4
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snarfed i need to investigate, but that might just break fb backfeed altogether :(
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jonnybarnes you should have received one from https://jbl5.dev/notes/2w aaronpk
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Loqi definitely
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KevinMarks is there enough of this that it's worth writing a story about?
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: i don't get notifications when they fail, but if you look at the response there is a status URL in there
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KevinMarks farhad wants a story: https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/628941121419284481
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@fmanjoo Plum out of column ideas for next week. It’s August. What’s happening? (twitter.com/_/status/628941121419284481)
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jonnybarnes hmmm, I should probably get my asynced job to log any responses
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KevinMarks "facebook's API changes as it retreats from the web "
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snarfed KevinMarks: maybe a story? i'm not a journalist, so i'm a poor judge. i actually think they're probably making the right product/privacy decisions, high level, it just happens that posse/backfeed interop is collateral damage
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snarfed feel free to run with it, i'll happily be a source if necessary
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: what status code does your response give in the case of an unkown target?
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snarfed interestingly, their api version changelogs are usually good, but this "singular post" deprecation isn't in there: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog#v2_4_deprecations
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: i think it returns 400 for everything except vouch fails
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: you mean 400 for all errors?
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aaronpk yeah
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jonnybarnes presumably a normal webmention post should get a 202 response?
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aaronpk yeah
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snarfed so aaronpk has clustering launched yet??? :P
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snarfed can't wait can't wait can't wait
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aaronpk soo close
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snarfed oh boy oh boy oh boy
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snarfed plus the fb event for next week's hwc is up so we have a test case
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aaronpk oboy
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aaronpk I think the first launch is probably going to get a bunch wrong, but that's okay
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snarfed of course, launch and iterate
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fkooman aaronpk, what do you think of this plan: https://github.com/fkooman/indiecert/issues/20 ?
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aaronpk fkooman: seems fine, not something i would want to do with indieauth.com or anything, but i don't see a reason for you not to do it
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fkooman aaronpk, cool, thanks, I'll think about it some more, want to stay compatible with indieauth though... which may be a problem if I'm not using domains, but paths...
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aaronpk shouldn't be a problem
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aaronpk there are a bunch of wiki logins from people with a path in their indieauth url
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fkooman aaronpk, great :)
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kylewm snarfed: did you see about "See Original" being gone from FB too?
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kylewm I'm curious if they're still in the api
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snarfed kylewm: yes :(
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kylewm yes, still available in the API
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kylewm (but missing from the GUI doesn't bode well for their longevity)
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gRegorLove kylewm: Woodwind says it can't find the feeds on http://the-toast.net/
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gRegorLove Oh sweet. Just noticed "tags" in Woodwind.
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gRegorLove kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 212 karma
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snarfed (kylewm: sorry, yes i saw see original was gone from fb, didn't know more than that)
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kylewm gRegorLove: weird about the toast
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kylewm gRegorLove: thetoast gives me 403 Forbidden
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kylewm maybe user agent blocking?
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gRegorLove Ah, probably
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kylewm i sorta don't want to fix it because eff them
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voxpelli are you using a generic user-agent kylewm or why would it complain?
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aaronpk i've had problems with that too with indieauth.com, where some peopel's sites reject a user agent like "Ruby 2.xx"
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gRegorLove It's on WordPress. Wouldn't be surprised if a security plugin is blocking some UAs
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gRegorLove We've installed WordFence on some sites. We knew WordPress was a big target, but dang, just watching the traffic/attempts.
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@paulrobertlloyd I pinged a webmention and I liked it. (twitter.com/_/status/628991418535661568)
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kylewm lol
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kylewm voxpelli: yeah, generic user-agent probably something like "python-requests/1.2", I know tha tWP does block that sometimes
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kylewm I will try setting it to Woodwind Reader or somesuch
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voxpelli kylewm: I set mine to "A-WebMention-Endpoint/0.8.1 (https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions)"
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snarfed script kiddies often spam wordpress exploit attempts to any public facing domains/IPs, regardless of whether they actually run WP :P
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voxpelli that way people can both tell me which version it is that is going crazy and know where they can tell me that
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aaronpk i see a lot of attempts at phpmyadmin URLs too
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kylewm gRegorLove: the-toast should work now
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voxpelli what is user-agent?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "user-agent" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1011
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voxpelli kylewm: would it make sense to document common user-agents for indieweb-projects?
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gRegorLove Cool, thanks!
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@adactio RT @paulrobertlloyd: I pinged a webmention and I liked it. (twitter.com/_/status/629017522898079745)
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@kevinmarks @danielm they got updated to microformats 2 and are being used to build the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/629021202888028160)
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jonnybarnes finally got webmentions working properly on my dev site
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jonnybarnes tested it be replyng to one of my own notes and it just looks weird
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: /comment-presentation might be useful
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jonnybarnes oh they look fine when its someone else replying
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jonnybarnes but when it shows Jonny says Hi Jonny
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KevinMarks no weirder than @raplying yourslef on twitter
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KartikPrabhu oh of course. self-mentions are an edge case which might not be worth optimising due to rarity
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aaronpk i do it all the time
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: sure but I doubt you only say "hi aaron"
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aaronpk true :)
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ben_thatmustbeme i do
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KartikPrabhu that's whatI mean. jonnybarnes's mention reads funny mainly because it has some test text and not an actual real life reply
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ben_thatmustbeme i mention myself and say "hi aaron"
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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@danielm @kevinmarks I feel out of the loop. What’s the #indieweb movement? A concerted movement away from walled gardens? (twitter.com/_/status/629027201510412288)
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@kevinmarks @danielm that's about right, yes more info here: http://indiewebcamp.com/ we still use silos too, but don't *only* use them (twitter.com/_/status/629027730722439172)
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@doogiec @withknown If I want to use indieauth with my Known site where should I put the rel="me" entries? Thanks. (twitter.com/_/status/629032017288671232)
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gRegorLove New post type? "hi aaron"
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@iamjohnellison @benjaminparry maybe we will catch each other in Brighton or at an #indieweb meetup sometime (twitter.com/_/status/629038704225579010)
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jonnybarnes gRegorLove: of course
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@muhhbot Die ganzen IndieWeb Plugins für Wordpress reizen mich ja schon drush syntax vergessen oO (twitter.com/_/status/629054855001341952)
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