#indiewebcamp 2015-07-16

2015-07-16 UTC
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tantek just discovered an IndieWeb advantage to "jamming" (the verb as the site thisismyjam.com has defined)
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tantek you can indie jam pretty much any YouTube video that allows embedding, however it appears the subset of YouTube videos that you can jam on the thisismyjam.com silo is actually much smaller.
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bret what is radio?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "radio" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=radio&summary=prompted+by+bret+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-15%2Fline%2F1437005317680
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loqi.me created /radio (+60) "prompted by bret https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-15/line/1437005317680 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek what is a play list
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "play list" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=play+list&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-15%2Fline%2F1437005446552
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gRegorLove I've manually POSSED a YT video to thisismyjam
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GWG Good evening
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tantek play list is a list of songs (or more broadly, any audio and/or video) meant to be played in a particular order; for an indieweb example see http://gregorlove.com/2007/11/happy-living-day-mix/
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loqi.me created /play_list (+219) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-15/line/1437005446552 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove I think iTunes has advanced meta fields for released and copyright, too. It's been a while since I've looked at it.
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tantek waits for KevinMarks to notice the /play_list page
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tantek gRegorLove: I looked and couldn't find any :/
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gRegorLove http://gregorlove.com/2014/07/theres-no-such-thing-as/ The syndication links are messed up on it. Let me fix.
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GWG tantek: Did anyone ever expound on the idea of webmentions for shared cataloguing?
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tantek I think there was some yes - I think it was demod
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bret.io edited /radio (+668) "stubbed out radio with relevant info" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: I meant in the wiki
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gRegorLove oh, guess the links aren't messed up.
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tantek GWG I think there was a session on it - check /2015/Schedule and click through
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GWG tantek: There was a session. But I meant outside of the 2015 related sections into other parts of the wiki
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GWG On an unrelated note, does anyone have a Micropub client I can use to test syndicate-to queries that will accept /?micropub=endpoint as the name of the endpoint?
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tantek gRegorLove: oh neat! you have a "jam" as well. Mine: http://tantek.com/2015/047/t7/mornings-look-for-me-trackish-tuesday
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tantek two indieweb examples is enough to start a page right?
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tantek what is a jam?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "jam" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=jam&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-15%2Fline%2F1437005900189
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tantek gRegorLove: want to start it with our examples?
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tantek (we both syndicated to thisismyjam too)
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gRegorLove Yeah, though not sure the best dfn. How's it relate to /scrobble? I suppose it's more active than passive
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tantek very
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tantek I think the first silo that had a specific post type for this was Pownce
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tantek which let you post a single track to your friends as your current music
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tantek that you were into
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tantek different from "now listening to: " which many sites have had for years, which is closer to a scrobble
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gRegorLove jam is an active type of post used to share a song that you are recently enjoying.
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loqi.me created /jam (+109) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-15/line/1437005900189 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gregorlove.com edited /jam (+72) "example, see also sections" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /play_list (+130) "add mix tape as distinct from play list" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Is that link above your earliest example, tantek?
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tantek I think so
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tantek.com edited /play_list (+57) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+8) "/* See Also */ play list" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /jam (+249) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove added you
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tantek cool
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tantek.com edited /jam (+16) "linky posts" (view diff)
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tantek ooh emojicon opportunity
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gRegorLove haha
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gregorlove.com created /jamming (+17) "r" (view diff)
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tantek what is a listen
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets etc.) that you have listened to https://indiewebcamp.com/listen
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gregorlove.com created /thisismyjam (+207) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /jams (+17) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /posts (+44) "/* Kinds of Posts */ add scrobble and jam" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /🎶 (+17) "Redirected page to [[jam]]" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /🎧 (+22) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+85) "emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /scrobble (+85) "emojicon" (view diff)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: GWG: try <https://github.com/kylewm/node-micropub-cli>
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GWG snarfed, I think it would have the same problem, wouldn't it?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I want to show off the demo of SWAT0 from indiewebcamp this weekend http://tantek.com/2015/193/t2/user-flow-permalinks-indieweb-swat0 video: https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/07/14/1/swat0 (twitter.com/_/status/621486722413645824)
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aaronpk oh thank goodness. php 5.5 is finally getting rid of the ridiculous "@" syntax for uploading files with curl
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@benwerd I'm proud of #indiewebcamp for passing the Social Web Acid Test with 3 website platforms this weekend. https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (twitter.com/_/status/621486760309096449)
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'I'm proud of #indiewebcamp for passing the Social Web Acid Test with 3 website platforms this weekend. https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (http://werd.io/2015/im-proud-of-indiewebcamp-for-passing-the-social-web-acid)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this test was first suggested 5 years ago - before we started indiewebcamp - we thought it would use hosted services (twitter.com/_/status/621487111095644162)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: in fact it was realising that hosted services weren't goign to help that got us to set up indiewebcamp in the first place (twitter.com/_/status/621487320022257664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @chrisheuer: how does this scale up across sites? (twitter.com/_/status/621487620254736384)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it scales like the web - all this happens peer to peer across different sites (twitter.com/_/status/621487711472459777)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: GWG: not sure, i get your goal but not what the problem is. try it!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @debs: seeing it as notifications is really interesting - that makes a bridge beyond the web (twitter.com/_/status/621487877973745664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Aaron was using Prowl, but Ben is using web notifications which just shipped in Chrome and is in Firefox 42 (twitter.com/_/status/621488091686113280)
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@debs @kevinmarks This adds an entire nee layer onto web interactions - peer to peer - simple and yet insanely amazing #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621488363598512128)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: anything that ships in firefox 42 also ships in mobile on firefox android too. so you get mobile notifications (twitter.com/_/status/621488384461160448)
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@kevinmarks RT @debs: @kevinmarks This adds an entire nee layer onto web interactions - peer to peer - simple and yet insanely amazing #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621488594612436992)
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@chrisheuer .@kevinmarks according to @t it scales naturally and gracefully, p2p without a central connection point #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621488652716118016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Katie asks why it took so long - within 3 months in 2010 they had it working on statusnet and cliqset only, but didn't use it (twitter.com/_/status/621488850720935936)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so we had a proof of concept, but within 6 months cliqset went offline, and recently statusnet went offline too (twitter.com/_/status/621489017230618624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so why did it take us so long to do this? We didn't start saying "we'll make things federate" (twitter.com/_/status/621489197510230016)
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@chrisheuer Really cool cross site notifications on activity/engagement #swat #indieweb congrats @t @kevinmarks et al. So glad I made it this week (twitter.com/_/status/621489298836054016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we said we want to empower every individual to own their own website and spend time inproving it in ways they want to (twitter.com/_/status/621489353043378176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: people built different things for their sites in an organic way - and we wrote up building blocks on how we solved problems (twitter.com/_/status/621489531301269505)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: because of this organic nature we can't predict when things will happen in indieweb, but they tend to last and grow over time (twitter.com/_/status/621489824348925956)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: what we realised this weekend was that we were very close to achieving this test, and we built the few missing bits (twitter.com/_/status/621489963121684480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we made the canonical example on the wiki note the people who had implemented it (twitter.com/_/status/621490134270234624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: my tool http://www.noterlive.com/ also posts person tags when you use it (and copy the html to your site) (twitter.com/_/status/621490767937302528)
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KevinMarks_ realises he didn't send webmentions for his person tags
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: designing these notifications was interesting - getting the text right for @aaronpk's notifications worked (twitter.com/_/status/621491453689208832)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @debs: why use domain names rather than usernames? (twitter.com/_/status/621491579862257664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: people use URLs to identify each other with blogs - and twitter shows the @ handle as well as the name as people play (twitter.com/_/status/621491914987147264)
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gwg-temp snarfed: The micropub endpoint is ?micropub=endpoint . The issue is when you want to query the endpoint, which is in the spec, for syndicate-to, you can't because that makes it ?micropub=endpoint?q=syndicate-to
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the identity currency on twitter is the @ name; on the indieweb it is the URL (twitter.com/_/status/621492167924690944)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @debs: what is a webmention? (twitter.com/_/status/621492259985469440)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a webmention is just the signal between the 2 sites that something on the web mentioned you (twitter.com/_/status/621492446342578176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: in order to know what the webmention means you have to look at the website that mentioned you and make sense of it (twitter.com/_/status/621492665805348864)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: the webmention might be a like or a repost or an RSVP as well as a person tag (twitter.com/_/status/621492806624899072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the other thing that was implemented this weel was salmentions - mentions that go upstream like salmon do (twitter.com/_/status/621493000313663488)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so when you receive comments you add them to your post and send a webmention upstream to the post you previously mentioned (twitter.com/_/status/621493179678883840)
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@kevinmarks @debs no, it is a new definition - http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention it is like a pingback, but simpler (twitter.com/_/status/621493474211164160)
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@rtaibah RT @benwerd: I'm proud of #indiewebcamp for passing the Social Web Acid Test with 3 website platforms this weekend. https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (twitter.com/_/status/621493476543180800)
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@debs @kevinmarks yes it is facinatingly simple and flexible #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621493601952894977)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @chrisheuer: the biggest problem with pingbacks was spam in the comment stream. How do we stop this getting flooded with crap too? (twitter.com/_/status/621493639739518977)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you can get webmentions form anyone so they can be spammy now. So far we have seen some from brid.gy containing twitter spam (twitter.com/_/status/621493791090978816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: there are 2 answers: for a webmention to mean something the sender has to do more markup work (twitter.com/_/status/621493954425548801)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: longer term we have an extension to webmention called 'vouch' which is another URL that vouches for you (twitter.com/_/status/621494088878174209)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: currently the kind of problem is like people showing up to your party and pitching you their startup (twitter.com/_/status/621494451677040640)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: each role in the SWAT0 challenge has different implementation requirements - currently no implementation has all 3 roles (twitter.com/_/status/621494696985133056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: each of the players was using more than one piece of software to achieve this; we can combine them to pass it (twitter.com/_/status/621495084287135744)
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KevinMarks_ did aaronpk_ gte notified from my sunday post?
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aaronpk probably. which post?
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@benwerd The next step after SWAT0 is letting each piece be interchangeable. After that? Any piece can be a robot AI. Get on it, #indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/621495625893347328)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the identity currency on twitter is the @ name; on the indieweb it is the URL (twitter.com/_/status/621496221429927936)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @chrisheuer: the biggest problem with pingbacks was spam in the comment stream. How do we stop this getting flood… (twitter.com/_/status/621496504629358592)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/621497141005910016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/621497141005910016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: what kartik has built is essentially medium on his own site - per paragraph comments https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia (twitter.com/_/status/621498727384109057)
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@benwerd After autonomous social web AI bots? We hire robots to blog for us. Humanity collectively goes down the pub, a job well done. #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/621498819830616064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: a fragmention lets you link to a piece of text in any webpage; a webmention lets you annotate it too (twitter.com/_/status/621499204398108672)
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@benwerd Of course, the AI bots won't know they're bots. Sadly, realization will be followed by a robot uprising. Then: the indiebotnet. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621499324384440320)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the fun thing is that us distributed developers can keep up with the big companies in innovation (twitter.com/_/status/621499421721804800)
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tantek hello from HWC SF!
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tantek was offline for a bit demoing
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aaronpk hello!
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tantek now KevinMarks is on stage demoing Noterlive
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tantek aaronpk we had a big demo and walk through of SWAT0
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aaronpk i saw!
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tantek and all the implications
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tantek I think KevinMarks captured the Q&A pretty well
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tantek which we should absolutely write up as /SWAT0#FAQ
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aaronpk great!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm showing off http://www.noterlive.com/ and it is live tweeting this talk (twitter.com/_/status/621500228617768961)
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KartikPrabhu thanks for the marginalia plug :D
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kylewm KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 102 karma
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@Ctut RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm showing off http://www.noterlive.com/ and it is live tweeting this talk (twitter.com/_/status/621500373069467648)
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Loqi [bridgy] priya joseph favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/621493474211164160)
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tantek KartikPrabhu++ well deserved! Someone asked about Medium so I had to ;)
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Loqi [bridgy] debs replied '@kevinmarks yes it is facinatingly simple and flexible #indieweb' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/debs/status/621493601952894977)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 103 karma
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aaronpk i'm considering how to do person tags in micropub
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aaronpk for adding to OwnYourGram
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @energyovertime: I have a domain, but no place to put it - what shoudl I use? there is thins think called Known (twitter.com/_/status/621501113783721984)
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tantek__ aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme has already figured it out!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I hear known is pretty good… there are also lots of wordpress plugins (twitter.com/_/status/621501252170551296)
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aaronpk in micropub ?!
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tantek__ YES! MobilePub has the ability to person-tag people, which it then sends to his site, running Postly.
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tantek__ via micropub
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aaronpk it would seem the easiest option is sending the person's URL as a category value
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @energyovertime: I've been cryogenically frozen for 10 years - what do I use now? (twitter.com/_/status/621501428394237954)
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aaronpk but that does mean the micropub server needs to inspect the value of each category and decide if it's a URL
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tantek__ (tip: just provide a UI for people to enter "category" values for tags, and if someone enters a URL, it's a tag of the thing at the URL, e.g. a tag of a personal URL turns into a person-tag :)
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KartikPrabhu is figuring out good defaults for hfeed2atom
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Known is kind of like a tumblr - you can self-host it or go to https://withknown.com/ to get a hosted version (twitter.com/_/status/621501633353134080)
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aaronpk other benefit of using plain URL strings for category is if the micropub endpoitn doesn't know about person tagging, it's a default fallback to just display the URL as a tag
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tantek KevinMarks is demonstrating reader.kylewm.com (Woodwind)
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aaronpk okay, so it will be
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aaronpk hehe just got a notification from KevinMarks_
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: showing off http://reader.kylewm.com which supports webmentions and micropub, so https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/07/14/1/swat0 got my comment (twitter.com/_/status/621502810513870848)
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tantek Deb asked what about deleting
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aaronpk deleting what?
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tantek a comment
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tantek and we noted that both the comment receiver can delete it (moderation), and the original comment author can delete it and follow the pilgrim protocol (return a 410) and resend a webmention
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tantek aaronpk, e.g. the comment that KevinMarks just made on your video post ;)
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aaronpk aha!
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aaronpk my site doesn't yet support deletes, but it does support updates
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tantek does it support receiving the pilgrim protocol?
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tantek that is, when it goes to verify the webmention, if the source returns a 410, do you delete the comment?
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aaronpk not yet
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tantek darn!
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tantek question: are there webmention plugins for popular CMSs?
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tantek answer: yes, for WordPress, Kirby, Drupal, ProcessWire, and via Bridgy for Blogger, Tumblr
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GWG tantek: Great, isn't it?
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tantek GWG, it is AWESOME
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@t Great #MedicalData portability post http://www.thedoctorblog.com/medical-records/ and @CaribouHealth's plan to help you #ownyourdata: http://tantek.com/2015/196/t2/medicaldata-portability-ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/621505443135946753)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Known also has native comments so it doesn't require webmentiosn but they look the same internally (twitter.com/_/status/621505466510778368)
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aaronpk shoot
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aaronpk php curl's multipart encoding doesn't support array brackets
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aaronpk i think i want to file that as a bug in php
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@_sequoia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: Known is kind of like a tumblr - you can self-host it or go to https://withknown.com/ to get a hosted v… (twitter.com/_/status/621506089385725952)
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@kevinmarks Do people like my quick Homebrew WebsiteClub logo? http://svgur.com/s/o #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/621506130766725121)
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aaronpk well this was not a problem I was expecting to have
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@CaribouHealth RT @t: Great #MedicalData portability post http://www.thedoctorblog.com/medical-records/ and @CaribouHealth's plan to help you #ownyourdata: http://tantek.com/2015/196/t2/medicaldata-portability-ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/621506646804566017)
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@jimpick RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: showing off http://reader.kylewm.com which supports webmentions and micropub, so https://t.co/xpDfsTvJ… (twitter.com/_/status/621506751695720448)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: re: tagging in micropub
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Thank you for that change, by the way
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ben_thatmustbeme It makes sense to put it in category since tags were bEing marked up as u-category
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ben_thatmustbeme I make the requirement that urls include https?:// to be a tag
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG: thank you for the bug report
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I spent a while trying to get queries working on the Micropub plugin before I realized what the problem was.
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tantek Shaun is demoing
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tantek just got his site working
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tantek last week
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tantek giudici.us
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tantek and got posts / replies working
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tantek and manually sent his first webmention
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tantek and getting it to show up!
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tantek built as a Flask app
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tantek got receiving a webmention sort of working
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tantek goal is to setup an endpoint and when he posts a reply on his site, send a webmention automatically from his site
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tantek @theguice
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @theguice: I had a static site, but I rebuilt it in flask http://giudici.us/blog (twitter.com/_/status/621509280450146304)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @theguice: and I got a webmention working and sent by hand with curl http://giudici.us/blog/0 (twitter.com/_/status/621509513968001026)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @theguice: my next goal is to have my own endpoint to receive that (twitter.com/_/status/621509570398146561)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it's great to see woodwind and known as it is like early blogging, except it has a facebook feed ui running on your site (twitter.com/_/status/621509785326854144)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: gotcha. So you didn't change anything in the syntax of Micropub, you inspect the value to find out if it's a URL or regular tag
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aaronpk So apparently I'm going to have to build my own multipart encoder because curl doesn't understand arrays as values when it switches into multipart mode
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GWG For Micropub, if you have no syndication targets, what should q=syndicate-to return?
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Jeena !tell aaronpk this is the multipart code we've been talking about https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/blob/eb5f37837ad6f5b35eddd48fc60cdb6933bd861d/WebKit/scripts/controller/NewPost.js#L353-L391
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@JaneAllie_9294 RT @kevinmarks: Do people like my quick Homebrew WebsiteClub logo? http://svgur.com/s/o #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/621512070857662464)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: Do people like my quick Homebrew WebsiteClub logo? http://svgur.com/s/o #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/621512072073998337)
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Jeena and image_data_uri is just like you'd have it in <img src="data:... with base64
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-15.html and from Sunday's Indiewebcamp demos http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcamppdx20150712.html on my site (twitter.com/_/status/621514907968614400)
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ben_thatmustbeme Aaronpk. Exactly nothing extra needed
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ben_thatmustbeme Spec wise anyway
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KartikPrabhu if a h-feed has no explicit name property then mf2py returns the text, but the h-feed has no "value" attribute to compare it to. SHould hfeed2atom just use the implicit name found?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: do you have h-feed markup on any of your pages? couldn't find one on homepage
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: almost nothing new spec-wise. the only change is that the micropub server needs to inspect the value of "category" and do something different if it looks liek a URL
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Loqi aaronpk: Jeena left you a message 41 minutes ago: this is the multipart code we've been talking about https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/blob/eb5f37837ad6f5b35eddd48fc60cdb6933bd861d/WebKit/scripts/controller/NewPost.js#L353-L391 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-15/line/1437014973335
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: nope, i'm late to the party on h-feed
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KartikPrabhu aah ok cool. At least my improvement to hfeed2atom give a "h-feed not found" message instead of returning nothing :)
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aaronpk you could also assume a list of h-entrys is a feed
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aaronpk which is I believe documented on /feed
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KartikPrabhu what is feed?
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Loqi A feed is a dynamic set of posts, typically listed in reverse-chronological order, often only the most recent n (like 10) of them https://indiewebcamp.com/feed
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aaronpk yeah http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume
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KartikPrabhu oh boy this is going to get complicated :P
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk okay. i can't believe i'm doing this, but i'm about to write a php multipart encoding library
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aaronpk i can't find any encoding libraries, only parsers
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aaronpk checks one last time
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KartikPrabhu hey kylewm have you already implemented https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume for woodwind?
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aaronpk looks like someone already filed the bug on php https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=51634
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aaronpk ... in 2010
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, yes I think so
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KartikPrabhu maybe I should just use that instead of writing it again
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: could you point me to that feed consumption code in woodwind?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, it's pretty much all in mf2util
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KartikPrabhu oh neat will look there
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kylewm Then issed I'm tasks.py in ww
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kylewm Used*
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KartikPrabhu cool thanks! :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: it does not do all the steps in https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume though does it?
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kylewm Perhaps not
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KartikPrabhu like author construction and using just an hentry list if no hfeed is found
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kylewm It definitely does those two
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aaronpk woohoo just built a multipart request by hand
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KartikPrabhu hmm at lest not here: https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util/blob/master/mf2util/interpret.py#L168
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kylewm It does the authorship discovery elsewhere, sorry am on mobile and can't dig in too much
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: no worries I'll poke around and bother you some other time
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KartikPrabhu what is representative h-card?
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Loqi The representative h-card for a page is an h-card on that page that represents that page, if any, as not all pages are about a person or organization, a page might not have a representative h-card https://indiewebcamp.com/representative_h-card
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doe what is Inbox?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Inbox" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Inbox&summary=prompted+by+doe+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-15%2Fline%2F1437022340792
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aaronpk !tell Jeena I did it! https://github.com/aaronpk/php-multipart-encoder
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hmm so I'm going to switch OwnYourGram to send the "category" property as an array soon
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aaronpk what's the best way to migrate existing users?
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aaronpk guess I could make a checkbox so people can opt in to switching when they're ready
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doe ah damn wrong Brighton
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petermolnar good morning
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petermolnar if anyone's interested, I wrote an plugin for wordpress to replace rss2email, just to violate the unix philosophy
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petermolnar https://github.com/petermolnar/blogroll2email/
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petermolnar the reason was to include mf2 parsing as well
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petermolnar beside rss
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petermolnar so if anyone's interested testing it, we're all welcome :)
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@techmeetup IndieWebCamp Edinburgh http:///forum/#!msg/techmeetup/VR3snDJOQI0/48F4WcR04_gJ (twitter.com/_/status/621658095144415232)
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GWG Good morning
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rhiaro Morning GWG
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petermolnar 'ning
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rhiaro is on a IWC EDI publicity binge
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GWG rhiaro: I see that
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GWG petermolnar: Still on a Brighton high?
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petermolnar nah, just trying to rake my thing together and while doing that I'd thought I'll add a few things to the wiki as well
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@rhiaro RT @techmeetup: IndieWebCamp Edinburgh http:///forum/#!msg/techmeetup/VR3snDJOQI0/48F4WcR04_gJ (twitter.com/_/status/621660535809937408)
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petermolnar ( I'm prepairing to replace debian with freebsd but I need to do a massive spring-clean and remove all the unnecessary wheel in my system )
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GWG I'm trying to enhance the Micropub plugin to be more useful to me.
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@IndieWebCampUK RT @techmeetup: IndieWebCamp Edinburgh http:///forum/#!msg/techmeetup/VR3snDJOQI0/48F4WcR04_gJ (twitter.com/_/status/621661306085580800)
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petermolnar is apprentice just a nice phrase for minion?
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GWG petermolnar: I can have minions?
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petermolnar I guess that depends on the law in your country
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rhiaro Hey petermolnar, come to Edinburgh?
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petermolnar rhiaro sorry, I can't make that; I'm travelling that week and if I lose one more weekend, I'll need to go on sick leave :/
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petermolnar I might be on following the live streams though if there are some
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rhiaro Aw okay. There will be live streams!
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GWG I'll try to come on stream-like as well
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I'm looking at what your Micropub client returns. I don't see some of the fields in the spec or the brainstorming. Like mp-type
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@leitmedium @mensel komplexes Thema: Indieweb http://indiewebify.me/ - habe ich bei @diplix gesehen. Bin noch in der Experimentierphase. (twitter.com/_/status/621668025524166657)
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@macleodan RT @techmeetup: IndieWebCamp Edinburgh http:///forum/#!msg/techmeetup/VR3snDJOQI0/48F4WcR04_gJ (twitter.com/_/status/621675419960516609)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG added that note, is there anything else that isn't in there?
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petermolnar logging into your own site with indieauthing your own site kind of feels like the being your own grandpa time paradox
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, by the way, the code for that should be fairly simple to decouple from the rest of the code. I think the only thing that is tied in is the login/tokens
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GWG petermolnar: I agree with that. That is why I was thinking of implementing local auth as an Indieauth authentication server.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: for which that?
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GWG I need to get up on the mp- vs no mp- debate.
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ben_thatmustbeme last i heard there was some push back in the other direction, but the general rule of thumb i use is mp- is used when it is info that is not part of the post
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ben_thatmustbeme and thus micropub directive or metainfo that is not a part of the representation of the post in mf2
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ben_thatmustbeme although the examples use mp-url which i would say is wrong
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ben_thatmustbeme that debate has been getting messy (looking at newer comments under http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#Explicit_CRUD)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I was thinking of having the code check for the duplicate presence of the mp- or the non mp- properties and only store one for convenience sake.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats why i do with some values on my endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme if both are set I use mp- values before the non mp- values
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ben_thatmustbeme still trying to understand why mp-url is a problem
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ben_thatmustbeme s/problem/thing
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: still trying to understand why mp-url is a thing
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ben_thatmustbeme it seems like its a problem to use url= when doing non-explcit post types
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather now that someone is doing a second post to do syndicated copies
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ben_thatmustbeme where the syndicated copy has a different content than the original
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG i'm working to simplify a lot of my code already, at some point i'm going to have to remake a bit of my MP endpoint and look at all these changes
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GWG I looked at your code and aaronpk's trying to get a sense of things
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rhiaro Who has a /mentions page (or equivalent)?
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rhiaro I know of ben.thatmustbe.me/activity and aaronpk.com/mentions
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voxpelli rhiaro: http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/contact/ is kind of a "mention" page
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: GWG: I wonder if one could make a test suite of some kind to verify that ones MicroPub endpoint behaves as expected?
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voxpelli a standalone test suite that anyone could use to verify their endpoint – rather than using eg. Quill as many, including me, seems to be doing now
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snarfed testing++
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Loqi testing has 5 karma
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voxpelli It could probably work to do a creation request and then fetch the URL returned in the location-header and parse that using a Microformat parser and see if the result match the expecations
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voxpelli And then repeat that with an update request and also with different combinations and complexities of data
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snarfed definitely!
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snarfed one trick will be figuring out how to do it without your test posts showing up on the front page
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Jeena aaronpk, very nice, interesting approach to package everything into their own lib and git
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Loqi Jeena: aaronpk left you a message 9 hours, 22 minutes ago: I did it! https://github.com/aaronpk/php-multipart-encoder http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-15/line/1437025568101
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voxpelli snarfed: running it locally/isolated would probably be a good idea – that's what I do with https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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aaronpk yeah i would just put up a test instance on test.aaronparecki.com or something
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snarfed voxpelli: of course! unit tests also. but an online checker is pretty convenient for an additional one-time thing
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voxpelli one would ideally want to reset the storage/database inbetween each test
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snarfed or for more in depth tests, e.g. http://checkmention.appspot.com/
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voxpelli snarfed: well, the last step of the online tool could then be to try the delete action ;)
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snarfed ah true!
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voxpelli one would ideally want to ensure that no webmentions or push pings goes out during the test though, those are harder to clean up
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@lelil Oooh...#indiewebcamp in Embra later this month http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/621700599139201024)
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aaronpk embra? haha
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk Jeena: yeah I try to turn stuff like that into a library so it can be used in other places easier
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Loqi [bridgy] Rami Taibah favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/621486760309096449)
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Loqi [bridgy] Rami Taibah retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (https://twitter.com/rtaibah/status/621493476543180800)
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Loqi [bridgy] Matthew Gregg favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/621486760309096449)
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GWG voxpelli: I could use one right now.
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voxpelli GWG: same here :P
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Loqi [bridgy] Tim Strehle favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/621486760309096449)
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Loqi [bridgy] kidOYO favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/621486760309096449)
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voxpelli GWG: anything in particular you would want to test?
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GWG voxpelli: The more work I do though, the more I fear I'm taking snarfed's time. He has to review my PRs
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GWG voxpelli: Queries in, Posts of Various Implied Types...all the examples on the Wiki Page. Updates, Edits, Deletes.
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GWG Syndication...
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voxpelli GWG: right, I myself has only got as far as basic Creation stuff :P
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snarfed GWG: definitely don't worry about taking up my time, i'm excited for wordpress-micropub to keep growing
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snarfed thank you for working on it!
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snarfed i fear i won't be a great reviewer, though, since i don't actually do all that much wordpress work
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snarfed you might consider seeing if any of the other wp regulars is interested in reviewing too
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snarfed definitely not necessary though, just a thought!
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GWG snarfed: You are in charge of code commits though.
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GWG I meant reviewing from that perspective.
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snarfed of course! but that's just clicking the merge button :P
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GWG I intend to see who else will check functionality. But I'm checking it before the pull request is sent.
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GWG But you can see my commits to my fork
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GWG I just fixed the variable issue
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snarfed but yes, right, i think we are both talking about reviewing the code in PRs
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snarfed great!
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GWG Next is Post Formats, which I don't use, and Post Kinds, which I do
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GWG But they work the same way. It is mostly writing a function to determine an implied post type, and separately, optionally map it.
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aaronpk b 48
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gRegorLove aaronpk: bingo!
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GWG gRegorLove: There is no b48 in Bingo.
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GWG 48 would be in N, wouldn't it?
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@jdaviescoates @aral sent (from my @mediareformUK email) - hope you & lots more #indieweb peeps can make it! Big important part of #MediaDemocracyHow imho (twitter.com/_/status/621725795795509248)
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gRegorLove Maybe not on the board you're using
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aaronpk or maybe I sunk your battleship
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GWG That goes up to 48?
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GWG Hmm...
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GWG aaronpk: Since I'm in Micropub mode, by the way, I'll be testing as many of your toys as I can with my test site.
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GWG After I finish enhancing with Quill and Post.ly, I go to Teacup
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rhiaro Hey everyone, if your software implements an indieweb protocol and you *haven't* added it to indieweb implementations on the appropriate wiki page, do so really soon as I'm going to compile a list for socialwg purposes
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aaronpk hmm do we have a list of protocol pages? ;)
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aaronpk could put them in a wiki category
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rhiaro In building blocks?
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snarfed pls do
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aaronpk oh yes that is the page
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/building-blocks
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aaronpk add [[Category:building-blocks]] at the bottom of a page to add it there
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rhiaro I meant, the protocols are listed in building-blocks already
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rhiaro What's missing?
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rhiaro Or do they want their own category?
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GWG rhiaro: I'll try to get to that today
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aaronpk rhiaro: yeah i mean the building blocks page is what I was thinking of. probably have a few more wiki pages to add to it tho
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rhiaro Cool
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snarfed wiki q: is the "IndieWeb Examples" section usually just for personal sites?
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snarfed ie if i'm adding a note that bridgy supports a building block, would it go in that section, or somewhere else?
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snarfed e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitations#IndieWeb_Examples
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KevinMarks that works for an indieweb example i think
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aaronpk it was intended to be personal sites as opposed to descirbing services that support X
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aaronpk I think if you made a note that *you* do this with bridgy then it is fine
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snarfed i don't :P
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aaronpk mainly the goal is to tie it to a person so that it's easier to find actual permalink examples
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snarfed ok. i'll make a separate sectino
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KevinMarks webmentions breaks out examples and services: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Implementations
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aaronpk historically, lists of services/projects that support X get out of date faster
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aaronpk e.g. /projects :P
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snarfed aaronpk: understood! i was just trying to satisfy rhiaro's request. rhiaro, do you want just personal sites? software implementations? both?
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aaronpk i think the "services" header on /webmention solves that nicely
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aaronpk since it is still useful to have a list of services!
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rhiaro Yes. I want to make sure all types of implementations are documented so we can point people to them. Differentiating between services and personal sites is probably useful. Thanks snarfed!
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snarfed will do
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@kevinmarks “entities blocking data sharing are interfering and undermining healthcare quality and reform” http://www.thedoctorblog.com/medical-records/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/621734774281875456)
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GWG Does anyone have what they support on their user page?
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GWG Because then we get into the issue of how many different places we end up displaying the same data and what can be done about that
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aaronpk i started doing that here http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#IndieWeb_Support
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gRegorLove GWG: I usually put more details on my user page and summaries on the specific page, linking back to the user page
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voxpelli The webmention implementation list also lists code libraries, are there such a list for eg. Micropub? Maybe I'm just not seeing it
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aaronpk so far only 2 examples of person tags here http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#IndieWeb_Examples and neither has special display of them
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gRegorLove E.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples links to my implementation notes
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aaronpk voxpelli: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Open_Source
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aaronpk maybe not the best header for that
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voxpelli it works, I'll add my node.js code there
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aaronpk cool
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@alenevince “entities blocking data sharing are interfering and undermining healthcare quality and reform” http://www.thedoctorblog.com/medical-records/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/621737793455267840)
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voxpelli now the list of what I'm doing is up to date on my user page at least :)
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GWG voxpelli: It just feels like there are so many pages to keep updated. I feel like there must be a way to copy the info automatically between them
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GWG For example, have a user page profile that has sections that can be copied automatically elsewhere
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aaronpk that kind of wiki automation usually leads to more problems than it solves
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voxpelli GWG: I present it from two different perspectives on the user page and on the implementation pages
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aaronpk also that ^
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voxpelli I also list some code that's not strictly related to any specific indieweb-tech but that's built to fit well with indieweb-tech
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sparverius 1111/win 1
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snarfed aaronpk++ the solution to data duplication is usually not to automate the duplicating
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Loqi aaronpk has 889 karma
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snarfed (denormalizing for performance/scaling is a notable exception)
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@jdaviescoates hey @indiewebcamp who is working on #indieweb stuff in London/ UK? Want them all at @mediareformUK's #MediaDemocracy Fest on Oct 17th! :) (twitter.com/_/status/621743550636642305)
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@jdaviescoates @jordan_web searched for #indieweb ppl near me & you are the only result :-/ pls come to @mediareformUK's #MediaDemocracy Fest on Oct17th! (twitter.com/_/status/621744279984209920)
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@dietrich @donovanpreston The dream is alive: #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621746104586137601)
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@donovanpreston RT @dietrich: @donovanpreston The dream is alive: #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621746160357777408)
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KevinMarks UK govt wants advice on place, location formats to use: https://governmenttechnology.blog.gov.uk/2015/07/06/help-us-find-the-right-open-standards/
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rhiaro I'm super impressed with all the wiki edits that are happening as people add their implementations to thinks :D
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@jordan_web @jdaviescoates @mediareformUK Try @indiewebcampUK quite a few indieweb people in London, Brighton and Edinburgh. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/621749319834697729)
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@jdaviescoates @jordan_web thanks! @mediareformUK @IndieWebCampUK (twitter.com/_/status/621752288210755584)
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@jdaviescoates hey @IndieWebCampUK who is working on #indieweb stuff in London/ UK? Want them all at @mediareformUK's #MediaDemocracy Fest on Oct 17th! :) (twitter.com/_/status/621752537058779137)
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@jordan_web @jdaviescoates @IndieWebCampUK @mediareformUK Also worth looking at https://withknown.com/ self-hosted or hosted indieweb platform (twitter.com/_/status/621753843991379968)
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voxpelli If someone wants to do some Micropub publishing from iOS then I added some Editorial.app workflows there
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aaronpk reads
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voxpelli should work well with eg. the flow described in http://www.macstories.net/ios/instapaper-launches-notes-bringing-annotations-to-articles/ for bringing Instapaper notes into Editorial
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@petermolnar @donovanpreston easier than ever, eyecandy "free" services combined with human sloth happened. Thank god there's http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/621755128547311616)
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voxpelli that's one of the use cases I've been aiming at
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aaronpk whoa really?
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aaronpk this is neat!
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GWG aaronpk: Do you have an example of what a POST over MicroPub by Teacup looks like?
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aaronpk GWG: if you log in and click "new post" it will show you all the parameters it sends at the bottom
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aaronpk it just sends p3k-type=(food,drink) and p3k-food=(text)
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voxpelli think I will try to record a screencast of it
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, you docuementing everything ever client sends? or rather are you building support for all the things??
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I'm learning, mostly, as I build.
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: That's how I learn. I look at implementations.
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aaronpk ideally a micropub endpoint should know very little about specific vocabulary, just storing it in whatever backend it uses
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GWG But yes, as I'm learning, I am implementing some things.
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aaronpk especially for somethign like wordpress which already has very good separation of concerns
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GWG It is helping me decide where to store things.
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aaronpk cool
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GWG For example, I just changed the storage to store all properties.
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GWG I also put in an override to store the summary as the post content if there is no post content.
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GWG So, Teacup is the only example I know of of using it to post activity. I want to see how that looks
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aaronpk PSA: I just launched some changes to OwnYourGram!
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aaronpk if you sign in, you can have it switch to sending you the "category" property as an array. it's an opt-in thing.
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aaronpk and category will now include people tags!
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kylewm ohhhh want
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aaronpk I didn't have it include the x/y location of the tag because we don't have any examples of publishing that yet so I didn't have anything in microformats to port to micropub
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aaronpk but I want to add that ASAP
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: how are you doing tagging?
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kylewm nobody else bothered by the semantics of person tag being represented by the word "category"?
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ben_thatmustbeme category = url?
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aaronpk it just includes the person's URL in the category property
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aaronpk kylewm: "category" as a property of h-entry bothers me in general lol
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: any requirements to include http part in URL? i do it that way to make figuring out if its a URL or not much simpler
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aaronpk i wish it could have changed to "tag"
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: yeah it's a full URL with http or https
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent. postly supports it
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ben_thatmustbeme :)
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ben_thatmustbeme at some point tantek and i went back and forth on that, there was logic behind a tag being a category
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aaronpk the fact that "category" in h-entry acts like "tag" in wordpress and exactly not like "category" in wordpress is what gets me
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kylewm I think it's a bit odd that person-tags are represented the same as tag-tags
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kylewm I'll have a collection of tags where some are like "cats" and some are like "http://tantek.com/"
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aaronpk you'll know whether it's a regular tag or person tag so you could separate them
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aaronpk when you see a person tag in an h-entry it's actually an embedded h-card. I just abbreviated that in micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme is still working on thatmustbe.us service
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ben_thatmustbeme will hopefully have it so thatmustbe.us/<name> returns a list of h-cards
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ben_thatmustbeme clients could use to autocomplete
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ben_thatmustbeme i got sucked in to making a useful thing
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rhiaro I like person tags as tag-like tags. I don't like category being called category
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rhiaro I quite like tagging things with URLs. That might be the linked data in me.
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: did you read it as imaho?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, thats how I lear a lot of times too
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I just assume people like you and aaronpk know better than I do
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kylewm rhiaro: yes, that's a fair point. maybe I should start storing all my tags as URLs... like I got a comment from snarfed the other day that included an instagram hashtag (that only made sense if you clicked through to instagram)
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petermolnar rhiaro fair point, but what if you need different approaches for sorting? 'category' for me is structural; like folders whereas tags are logical, to search, to organize
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aaronpk petermolnar: that's exactly the issue I have with using the term "category"
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aaronpk wordpress uses that convention, flickr uses "album" vs "tag"
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petermolnar I use both ( category & tags in my case; could be topic & tag, folder & tag, etc. );
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rhiaro I just have many-to-many relations for things with tags
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rhiaro I don't like heirarchies
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rhiaro I can't even spell it.
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tantek neither do most users
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@asheeshlaroia Hi@kylewmahan - just wanted to say I love the #indieweb stuff you've been working on. (twitter.com/_/status/621763434502311937)
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aaronpk me either, which is why I call mine tags!
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rhiaro that was at petermolnar
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tantek in practice they're similar/overlapping enough to warrant inventing a new term over re-using the existing "category" from vcard, ical etc.
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petermolnar again, fair point, but one taxonomy is not enough for me; I'd get lost that way
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benwerd Folksonomies™
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petermolnar there are different type of sorting mechanisms, why not utilize more than one?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: surely you meant "not warrant"
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rhiaro I've tried a hierarchical sorting plus a tagging one at the same time for a few things, ultimately I always just wanted tagging
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tantek s/warrant/not warrant
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Loqi tantek meant to say: in practice they're similar/overlapping enough to not warrant inventing a new term over re-using the existing "category" from vcard, ical etc.
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aaronpk i was confused
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GWG aaronpk: WordPress uses category as a hierarchy, tags lack a hierarchy.
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aaronpk yes
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petermolnar (you can introduce whatever correlation you want in WP beside that)
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GWG In discussions with snarfed, the Micropub plugin for WordPress will set a category coming from Micropub as a WordPress category if it already exists, but otherwise, it creates a new tag.
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aaronpk whoa really?
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GWG snarfed: By the way, that code isn't working for me. Trying to figure out why.
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tantek that's a reasonable way to deal with that
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek the whole hierarchical categories thing in blogs is so overdesigned and ignorable
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tantek "WordPress uses category as a hierarchy" is a WordPress design error
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tantek and in practice people just use flat categories in WordPress anyway, thus treating them as tags
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GWG tantek: Categories in WordPress predate tags.
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GWG You know WordPress and its...never deprecate philosophy
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petermolnar tantek it's not a design error, it's just old :)
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tantek in practice, categories are tags. for the 0.1% that actually get obsessed with hierarchies, they can use -'s in their tags if they want :P
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petermolnar and you can change the behaviour
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tantek GWG, Categories in card catalogs predate WordPress - doesn't matter
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tantek petermolnar: it's both
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tantek it was classic premature overdesign
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GWG And you can't easily disable it
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petermolnar you can't easily disable fking emojis either, but at least there are ways do to it
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tantek GWG, huh? you can ignore it
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GWG tantek: Yes, but there are consequences to that.
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GWG Anyway...
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petermolnar what kind of consequences?
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petermolnar it's just a taxonomy
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GWG petermolnar: Everything says Uncategorized on some themes
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petermolnar oh, well, do you own theme :)
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petermolnar since you're not writing your own cms, at least do a theme :D
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petermolnar ( not you especially, general )
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petermolnar but yes, you're right
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voxpelli made a video showing how to publish to Micropub from iOS using the Editorial app: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hUR7flTAY
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voxpelli ping aaronpk :)
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tantek exactly, no consequences to ignoring the hierarchy maldesign of WordPress categories
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tantek just stuff it with tags
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petermolnar tantek when a theme is built around it when is it WP's fault?
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bret way cool!
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tantek petermolnar - meh, so ignore those hierarchical themes - users certainly do
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: you'd be proud. i'm trying a project using flat files for storage. no DB
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ben_thatmustbeme now i just need to make it work
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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gRegorLove benwerd: We had a podcasting interest group session at IWC http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Podcasting
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GWG petermolnar: Would you be able to help me test some WordPress stuff?
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GWG benwerd: I was in it
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benwerd Interesting!
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benwerd We are doubling down on podcasting
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benwerd I'd love to chat at some point
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gRegorLove I need to summarize some of those on /podcast
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aaronpk good call
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GWG benwerd, gRegorLove: I'm in on both of those.
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GWG Summarizing and doubling down
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GWG And chatting.
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GWG So, three of them
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aaronpk tantek: btw ownyourgram sends person-tags now :)
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tantek whoa
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tantek you figured out how to connect IG identities to personal sites?!?
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aaronpk if you don't do anything special, it will just be handled like your normal tags
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ben_thatmustbeme so cool
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aaronpk yeah the IG api has a "website" field for peple!
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voxpelli regarding podcasts, Podlove is a pretty interesting project there: http://podlove.org/ Driven by some of germanies largest podcasters which I had a lot of interaction with when at Flattr
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gRegorLove Yeah, Jeena talked about podlove
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tantek props to User:Opensourcespecialist.co.uk for signing in, creating their wiki page, and writing up a Working on list!
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Jeena voxpelli, you've worked for Flattr? Are you from Sweden?
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voxpelli Jeena: yes indeed
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Jeena But I guess you live near Malmö?
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GWG All I know about Sweden I learned at Ikea.
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voxpelli Jeena: yes, I live in Malmö
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aaronpk now that ownyourgram sends person tags, I've gotta figure out how to display them differently from regular tags!
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GWG All I know about Malm is that is where I keep my socks.
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Jeena I would like to start a Homebrew Website Club but I'm in Gothenburg and I'm looking for people to join me there :p
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joskar Jeena: I could join you :)
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Zegnat I am probably in if there is anything going down in Gothenburg
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Jeena and yeah the german podcasters you're talking about are really quite big and they earn a lot via Flattr, and they don't have advertising in their podcasts
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voxpelli Gothenburg isn't that far away from malmö/Copenhagen either
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tantek aaronpk, check out how Flickr displays person tags, e.g. no point/rect needed
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tantek might be a good presentational starting point
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Jeena oj joskar are you in Gothenburg?
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aaronpk yeah, just a separate section
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tantek "People in this photo: "
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joskar Jeena: Yes, Gothenburg here
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Jeena voxpelli, yeah but it would be on a Wednesday between 17:30 and 20:00 so it still quite short for such a journey every other week
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voxpelli Jeena: what they do, or at least did, have was auto-flattring through podcast clients in a similar way to how music clients scrobbled music to Last.fm – all through rel-payment data :)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, do you have any rought estimates of numbers of users for WordPress plugins?
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aaronpk wow Jeena you've got 3! that's plenty to start a HWC!
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Jeena ah very nice!
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GWG aaronpk: That reminds me, thank for taking that nice picture of me. I look very two-dimensional in it.
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aaronpk hehe
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Maybe
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Jeena yeah voxpelli I'm one of those who autoflattr :D
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GWG The Indieweb plugin itself has had 878 downloads
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GWG Over 100 active installs estimated
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Zegnat Jeena, yeah, I will definitely *not* make it to Gothenburg weekly. No way I can put in that much travel money
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GWG 479 people downloaded Syndication Links, but less than 100 active users
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Jeena biweekly ;)
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voxpelli Zegnat: where in the nordics are you living?
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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Zegnat Åmål
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GWG Post Kinds - 618 downloads, <100 active installs.
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petermolnar GWG: RE: Would you be able to help me test some WordPress stuff? - yes
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GWG Webmention has over 300 active installs, but pfefferle would have access to the full data. I could ask him to share it with me
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Jeena I still haven't seen "Fucking Åmål"
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Zegnat Ã…mÃ¥l - Göteborg is pretty doable, I think there would even be trains back at 20:00, but I have 0 income so simply can’t invest in coming down every time
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GWG petermolnar: Simple Location is updated in the repo
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GWG petermolnar: After some more tweaks, I need someone to help test Micropub
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Zegnat Jeena, I didn’t think Fucking Ã…mÃ¥l was worth my time.
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petermolnar I can do it tomorrow; not today as I'm not in the shape to properly test anything
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Jeena but even once in a while would be cool if we others can establish something recurring
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Zegnat Yes, definitely. Wouldn’t mind being there for the very first one either, to get things rolling!
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GWG petermolnar: This isn't a rush on anything.
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GWG I just wanted to know if you were available for testing.
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GWG Timeframe to be determined.
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voxpelli Jeena: it is doable from Malmö as well, "only" a 2,5h ride in one direction
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Jeena I will organize one HWC in two weeks, because then I'm still in gothenburg just before my vaccation
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GWG Micropub isn't stable yet.
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Jeena this will be the 29th
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Jeena voxpelli, Zegnat and joskar what are your domains so I can get in contact with you and remind you? (Even if you perhaps can't make it)
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Zegnat who is Zegnat?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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Jeena who je jeena
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Jeena who is jeena
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Jeena.net
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Jeena oha!
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Zegnat If you have a dfn on the page, Loqi will actually read that. But I still haven’t updated mine
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Loqi woot!
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joskar Who is joskar?
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Loqi Johnny Oskarsson is a student living in Gothenburg, Sweden https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Joskar.se
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voxpelli Who is voxpelli?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se
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Zegnat That should get you all the info you need, Jeena :)
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Jeena thanks!
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tantek whoa so we got 3 more Micropub server implementations over the weekend. awesome
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tantek now in double digits of implementations of micropub servers & clients
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Zegnat I am heading off now, long drive to the embassy tomorrow to renew my pasport. Never a fun experience. Have a good night all!
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Loqi see you in the morning!
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petermolnar good night, everyone
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Jeena who is petermolnar
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GWG tantek: I have that question I was asking you didn't quite answer...or rather a different version of it.
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Petermolnar.eu
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GWG The book discussion at IWC 2015. I want to document some of it on the wiki. Since it applies to more than just books, should it be under /books or under a more general topic about collections? Because the idea of sharing metadata over webmention isn't book specific
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tantek GWG, every use-case is specific
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tantek so it should be documented by what people are actually doing
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GWG tantek: Agreed.
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tantek not by some abstraction of what we think people might be doing
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tantek or what might not be specific
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GWG I'd like to test it, but I need another person who wants to do it. Otherwise who am I sharing with
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tantek you can test anything by posting the test first design of it as a note
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tantek you shouldn't bother with testing/not testing content / post types
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tantek you should merely post what content you feel like posting
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tantek and then study it after the fact
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tantek sorry, first line corrected: you can test anything by posting the TEXT first design of it as a note
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GWG Time to pull my MARC documents for inspiration
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GWG I only have the first edition of Taylor's The Organization of Information
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tantek wow just got the weirdest Update Your Profile prompt on FB
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sensiblemn tantek: what was weird about it?
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tantek uploading in a moment
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tantek what is nagging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nagging" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=nagging&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-16%2Fline%2F1437079908931
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tantek nagging is when a site prompts you out of the blue to go do something for the site, like update your profile
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Loqi ok
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rhiaro What's with the flower graphic
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tantek rhiaro: that's what I'm talking about !!!
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tantek ^^^ "weirdest"
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aaronpk is that like theier privacy dinosaur?
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rhiaro hah
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gRegorLove I got a similar FB nag when viewing my profile the other day. There's a button at the bottom of the banner image "update info" and it had a red "2". When I clicked it, the UI highlighted my profile photo with the option to update it and some text explaining it hadn't been updated in a while/show people what you look like now, yada yada
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gRegorLove Clicked "next" and it did the same basic message for the banner image.
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gRegorLove Didn't get screenshots, but it was also easy to skip them.
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gRegorLove The "Update Info" button is still there today, but no red numbers
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tantek yeah I found the box annoying/surprising enough to capture
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tantek so now we have a nagging anti-pattern. feel free to expand when you encounter examples
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bret tantek: https://adblockplus.org/elemhidehelper for collapsing anoying <div>s
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pr00t Hi indie guys !
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GWG Hi, pr00t
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GWG What brings you here
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csarven pr00t What's your website these days?
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csarven is wondering if he is doing it right.
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pr00t My site is http://niko.bokay.io
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csarven "he" being csarven
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pr00t I'd like to shate an idea with you and maybe get some feedback
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csarven GWG++
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pr00t I recently quit facebook to write a bit more on my blog. However, it's hard to exchange with people, especially with a static blog, with no commenting system
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csarven Ideas belong to the dot-com bubble.
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csarven (for quitting Facebook)
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aaronpk pr00t: welcome!
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aaronpk take a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention there are many people who have got it to work on static sites!
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pr00t so what about a service that would grab every RSS feed (by crawling or by manual input, I don't know) and that would return a rSS feed per feed, with every site that mentions an article
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pr00t aaronpk: the problem I have with webmention is that not everybody supports it
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aaronpk you can also proxy pingbacks to webmention for the blogs that send pingbacks still
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aaronpk https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ is great for static sites
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pr00t interesting, but I still feel it heavy
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kylewm pr00t: "an RSS feed per feed" -- what does that mean?
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GWG pr00t: Our community supports exchanging webmentions and we've built webmention to other things tools.
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pr00t kylewm: I mean that for my blog, the service would return a new RSS feed having the mentions of others
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GWG RSS is well supported, but how would you generate/consume it?
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aaronpk pr00t: oh! yes some of us are doing that (kind of)
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aaronpk mine is http://aaronparecki.com/mentions
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kylewm pr00t: you could also try a topic feed from Superfeedr, that will send you pings when it finds new posts that mention a certain topic or url
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kylewm I believe danlyke does some proactive crawling looking for references to his posts (an alternative to webmention)
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pr00t kylewm: oh, that might be exactly what I'm looking for then !
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pr00t have you all implemented webmentions on your sites ?
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aaronpk pretty much yeah
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GWG pr00t: It works, its simple, and I can advocate for it.
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GWG I think the idea of Linkbacks of all kinds died because of the spammy mess they became. But that is what we need to clean up
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pr00t how do you know if a site supports webmentions ? Some curl request ?
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pr00t and have you every met random sites supporting webmentions in the wild ?
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GWG pr00t: It declares in the header
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aaronpk plenty of "random sites" show up here and add themselves to the wiki even :)
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rhiaro It's all 'the wild' around these parts :)
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benwerd OK, I've now seen turtle referenced in a bunch of places
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benwerd And when I google "curl turtle" all I get is sick animals :(
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benwerd What is turtle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "turtle" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=turtle&summary=prompted+by+benwerd+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-16%2Fline%2F1437085695605
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rhiaro ahaha
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danlyke kylewm yeah, I'm reading the OPML file from my aggregator and crawling that (need to re-check my cron jobs post server move...).
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kylewm benwerd: it's like shorthand XML as far as I can tell
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kylewm JSON : YAML :: XML : Turtle, how far off is that rhiaro?
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rhiaro kylewm: now now, no need to be mean
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rhiaro Turtle is nothing like XML
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loqi.me created /Turtle (+53) "prompted by benwerd https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-16/line/1437085695605 and dfn added by rhiaro" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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rhiaro oops.
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rhiaro what is turtle
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Turtle
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: okay maybe I'll give you that one ^^
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kylewm rhiaro: I wasn't trying to be mean, fwiw :D
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ben_thatmustbeme huh?
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: accidental wiki edit
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ben_thatmustbeme haha thats 2!
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rhiaro I knew I'd seen others!
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rhiaro what is turtle
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Turtle
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kylewm what are some others? we couldn't remember
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rhiaro How do we make Loqi read the first line?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "some others" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=some+others&summary=prompted+by+kylewm+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-16%2Fline%2F1437087998123
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ben_thatmustbeme actually i think there was an accidental one that was cross rooms
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rhiaro yeah I remember a cross room one
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kylewm like, just yesterday right?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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rhiaro recently
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kylewm.com edited /Turtle (+1) "add period" (view diff)
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rhiaro ohh
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kylewm what is radio?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/radio
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kylewm.com edited /radio (+1) "add another period in definition" (view diff)
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kylewm what is radio?
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Loqi radio is what was killed by video https://indiewebcamp.com/radio
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@myfreeweb @jurph on YOUR OWN WEBSITE! http://indiewebcamp.com has been talking about that for a while @randileeharper (twitter.com/_/status/621823448218796032)
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