#indiewebcamp 2015-06-29

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@acegiak @DarkestKale Can't trust the corporate web to look after your stuff: https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths - https://acegiak.net/2015/06/29/darkestkale-24/ (twitter.com/_/status/615345157509025793)
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Loqi [mention] Ashton McAllan commented 'Can’t trust the corporate web to look after your stuff: https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://acegiak.net/2015/06/29/darkestkale-24/)
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@awolftune @gRegorLove I definitely hope to come to IndieWebCamp, but 1st day I perform at a wedding, 2nd is wife's birthday… we'll see (twitter.com/_/status/615382421047914496)
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Loqi [bridgy] Aaron Wolf replied '@gRegorLove I definitely hope to come to IndieWebCamp, but 1st day I perform at a wedding, 2nd is wife's birthday… we'll see' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/awolftune/status/615382421047914496)
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@synvila The whole indieweb-thing seems neat, but as with so many other similar projects it’s really hard to implement and use their ideas. (twitter.com/_/status/615409632673202176)
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@synvila It seems to me like webmentions is a way too complicated solution to the problem that trackbacks solved years ago. Why fix that which ain’t… (twitter.com/_/status/615409633839202304)
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tantek fascinating - @synvila is posting his notes on his own site http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/
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tantek well the trivial reply to the most recent tweet is http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Why_webmention_instead_of_Trackback
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@bitinn @eachgo 其实并不是如此，internet never forgets is a myth，见这篇文： https://adactio.com/journal/8710 http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/615414139469475840)
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@preeev That one tweet… http://christianheilmann.com/2015/05/30/that-one-tweet/ via @codepo8 Have you seen this Chris? → → https://indiewebcamp.com/curlable (twitter.com/_/status/615462663695503360)
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GWG Good morning
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petermolnar good morning
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GWG petermolnar: You tried Simple Location, right?
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petermolnar yes
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GWG I'm rewriting it. Any suggestions?
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GWG It wasn't as Simple to use as I would have liked.
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petermolnar turn on PHP error log to at least Notice level to see issues like missing $_POST array elements
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GWG petermolnar: I have it on. But I got frustrated with what the Plugin review team was saying and made mistakes addressing their issues
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GWG Either way, I meant how it functions, not my sloppiness.
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GWG I intend to not make stupid mistakes if I can help it.
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petermolnar those are not stupid mistakes, those are PHP's stupid issues
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petermolnar but as in features I have nothing to add, I think it's fine the way it is
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petermolnar feature-wise
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GWG petermolnar: I am adding geo providers, refining the presentation code. Will be looking at interface tweaks. The usual.
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LanceyWork good morning GWG petermolnar
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petermolnar hi LanceyWork
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LanceyWork i should do some coding today
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Loqi +1
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ben_thatmustbeme Good Morning All
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elf-pavlik good morning ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme hows it going elf-pavlik?
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elf-pavlik pretty good, taking some time for myself in last weeks :)
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elf-pavlik but today i want to update unmpc with reading secret spaces from phubble
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elf-pavlik already made few line change in code to use same bearer tokens as for write (create [post]) just need to deploy it
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elf-pavlik ACL https://github.com/w3c-social/social-web/blob/master/phubble-acl.json
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elf-pavlik for both https://phubble.tuxed.net/w3c-social/ (public)
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elf-pavlik and https://phubble.tuxed.net/alice-b-day/ (secret)
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elf-pavlik soon also https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1f4o_fhH9ifqtSFjSvo2tPbVdMYdUwLSD2PlIM26hDvY
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, rhiaro ^
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tantek those of you that use standalone readers, do these categories resonate with you at all and your usage? http://inessential.com/2015/06/23/varieties_of_news_readers
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tantek also, happy Monday #indiewebcamp!
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tantek remember, HWC this Wednesday (SF, PDX, maybe NYC?) - go RSVP! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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tantek !tell aaronpk,bret,dietrich can you host HWC PDX this Wednesday? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning
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aaronpk didn't i already update the event?
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: can you host HWC PDX this Wednesday? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435591034723
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aaronpk oh guess not! time is flying
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tantek aaronpk - not only that, but I've already reserved locations for HWC SF for all of July!
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tantek might as well do the same for PDX!
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aaronpk oh i actually can't make it on wednesday
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tantek aaronpk - what about 2015-07-15 and 2015-07-29 ?
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aaronpk yep! i'll update those
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+124) "/* RSVP */ add a regrets section in RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek and just for you: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#regrets
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-07-15-homebrew-website-club (+43) "pdx" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (+42) "pdx" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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aaronpk http://www.own-mailbox.com/ interesting blending of http and email, called "Private Link Message", where you send an email that has an https link the receipient can use to read the message
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aaronpk basically the same mechanism as my current implementation of private indieweb messages
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petermolnar except non_fqdn mail sending is rejected by all mail servers in the world
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk no, you just send a regular email
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aaronpk with a link in it
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petermolnar yes
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aaronpk that has nothing to do with funny addressing
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petermolnar ah, so normal mail from normal provider
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petermolnar not from this box
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petermolnar the issue is that you can't run a mail sending mail server from a home ip for various reasons: most ISPs block port 25; dsl lines don't get fully qualified domain names; reverse DNS is not set for them, etc
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petermolnar so this thing only works if you send mail from a regular address
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petermolnar with the url to the box's http server
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aaronpk ah yeah
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petermolnar the idea is nice, but I have the feeling whoever came up with it had never configured an actual, production mail server before :/
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aaronpk yes that seems likely. what caught my eye was the part about sending a link to view the message
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petermolnar off to home, bye for today
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tantek interesting thread with adactio: https://twitter.com/adactio/status/615553564446953472
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@adactio @jaffathecake “but there's no user benefit I can see”—right, it’s that “I can see” part that’s tricky; PE covers the cases you _can’t_ see. (twitter.com/_/status/615553564446953472)
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tantek what is progressive enhancement?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "progressive enhancement" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=progressive+enhancement&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-29%2Fline%2F1435594562577
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tantek huh I thought we did
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tantek PE is [[progressive enhancement]]
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tantek are you all ready for tomorrow's leap second?
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tantek http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/29/technology/leap-second/index.html
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aaronpk haha omg "The previous leap second, which took place in 2012, brought down Reddit, Yelp (YELP), LinkedIn (LNKD, Tech30), FourSquare, Gawker and StumbleUpon, among other sites and apps. Qantas' entire computer system went down for hours, forcing employees to check in passengers by hand."
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tantek 2015-06-30 16:59:60 PDT - official plain txt citation: https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/bulletinc.dat
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/615269855835631616
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@neiltyson As always, I celebrate my leap seconds with very tiny bottles of champagne. (twitter.com/_/status/615269855835631616)
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tantek aaronpk - will the IRC logs handle it?
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tantek because that would be super cool
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aaronpk i have no idea! it's just using the unix timestamp so probably not
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tantek unix hasn't been patched to handle leap seconds yet? especially since the 2012 crashes?!?
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aaronpk apparently it just repeats the same integer
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aaronpk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time#Leap_seconds
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aaronpk "when a positive leap second occurs (i.e., when a leap second is inserted) the Unix time numbers repeat themselves. The Unix time number 915148800.50 is ambiguous"
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tantek kind of want to publish that second to see what h-entry consuming code does across various sites ;)
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jonnybarnes anyone here know HTTP forms work?
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tantek did you mean HTML forms?
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jonnybarnes mmm, well, I'm trying to work out if my php code is making the correct HTTP POST request
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jonnybarnes if i'm making a request with multiple syndication targets without and files (i.e. application/x-www-form-urlencoded) it looks like this:
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tantek what is form encoded?
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Loqi Form-encoded (shorthand for the content type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded ) is used with webmention and Micropub for receiving text fields in HTTP POST requests https://indiewebcamp.com/form-encoded
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jonnybarnes http://hastebin.com/abapiguyoj.js
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tantek jonnybarnes: ^^^ does that help
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jonnybarnes If I include an image, it looks like this:
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jonnybarnes http://hastebin.com/tadomideju.js
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jonnybarnes tantek, that’s more dealing with requests, not making them
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jonnybarnes Gah guzzle 6 has made things more complicated
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gRegorLove Is the question about micropub, or the array structure of $_POST in PHP?
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jonnybarnes the array structure
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gRegorLove I know the array structure pretty well.
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jonnybarnes if you look at the form>mp-syndicate-to in both instances (first a simple form, then one with an added image)
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jonnybarnes the way it details two values for mp-syndicate-to changes
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jonnybarnes is Guzzle doing it in a valid way?
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jonnybarnes I'm pretty sure the first way is correct
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jonnybarnes but here: http://hastebin.com/tadomideju.js
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@charlesreid1 just registered for #IndieWebCamp2015! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/615564716862107648)
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gRegorLove I'm not familiar with Guzzle's transformation to JSON, but the latter looks like what I would expect
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jonnybarnes the json is actually being created by httpbin.org I beleive
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gRegorLove Two or more input name="mp-syndicate-to[]" I would expect to show up in the latter format.
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gRegorLove The array indices showing up in the key seems incorrect, like the brackets got escaped somewhere
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gRegorLove Is the form publicly visible?
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jonnybarnes the form is at https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/new
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tantek interestingly, my recent post referencing Wikipedia timed out I think trying to get a webmention endpoint for wikipedia
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tantek posting / POSSEing / PuSH still worked of course
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aaronpk async++
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Loqi async has 1 karma
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jonnybarnes the syndication targets will all be of the form <input name="mp-syndication-to[]" name="..">
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jonnybarnes and then my site makes the relavent POST request using Guzzle
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kylewm tantek: I think that's why https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/domain_blacklist.txt#L115
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gRegorLove Unfortunately I don't have micropub so can't debug much on my end.
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jonnybarnes thats fine
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gRegorLove typo or double 'name' attribute there?
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tantek kylewm thanks! I'd started a much shorter list than that :)
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jonnybarnes typo
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jonnybarnes second name should be value
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KevinMarks___ Pronouns in the wild https://twitter.com/ThatAndromeda/status/615561864731230208
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@gmcharlt At the ribbon bar #alaac15 https://twitter.com/gmcharlt/status/615561864731230208/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/615561864731230208)
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tantek GWG, still looking for space for IWC NYC July 11-12?
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LanceyWork what is a web ring?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web ring" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=web+ring&summary=prompted+by+LanceyWork+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-29%2Fline%2F1435598253311
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LanceyWork what is a webring?
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indiewebcamp.com/webring
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LanceyWork hmm
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aaronpk web ring is [[webring]]
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loqi.me created /web_ring (+22) "prompted by LanceyWork https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435598253311 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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LanceyWork wasn't there a discussion about webrings in the indieweb a while ago?
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tantek there was - didn't make it much past IRC
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sandro Have webrings come back into style? I thought they went out of fashion (ie became pretty useless) about 19 or 20 years ago.
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tantek !tell GWG heard back from Jeremy Zilar - he may have a connection at NYT who can help with IndieWebCamp NYC - in your email. -t
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek sandro - we pretty much figured out a purely distributed protocol for doing modern webrings a couple or a few weeks ago here in IRC
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tantek using webmentions and link rels of course
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sandro tantek, you know you're schedule to chair tomorrow, in about 23.5 hours, yes? You haven't answered Evan's ping about it....
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tantek yes
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sandro okay
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tantek where is Evan pinging? on that forum that we agreed was not a required place to check for pings?
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sandro no, on the chairs mailing list.
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KevinMarks___ Hm, quoted tweets are fragile. Twitter will often fail to display the quoted tweet, implying it has been deleted
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tantek KevinMarks: what about their fallback <blockquote> markup?
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tantek oh sorry, I misread as embedded tweets
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tantek KevinMarks, can you screenshot when that happens? "Twitter will often fail to display the quoted tweet, implying it has been deleted"
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tantek that's worth documenting
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tantek and making sure we avoid that problem
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aaronpk KevinMarks___: I noticed that too!
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aaronpk i just saw it on a tweet this morning
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aaronpk i decided to click the thing that said "deleted" and it took me to the tweet
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aaronpk (I don't want to screenshot this example due to the nature of the tweets though)
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KevinMarks__ it doesnt' say deleted, it sasy nto available
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aaronpk ah yeah
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KevinMarks__ https://twitter.com/LocutusBrussels/status/615574100958912512
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@LocutusBrussels @kevinmarks @LouiseMensch These glitches in the matrix.... I'll worry when I see that same black cat more than once.... (twitter.com/_/status/615574100958912512)
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KevinMarks__ hah
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tantek sandro - it's odd how much people keep reverting to using email as a presence querying crutch when we have already established (multiple times) that it's unnecessary for such. replied on the chairs list accordingly.
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tantek having simpler protocols is not just a technical thing
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KevinMarks__ https://twitter.com/search?q=This%20Tweet%20is%20unavailable&src=typd
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kylewm has anyone complained about indieauth not working without javascript?
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kylewm indieauth.com*
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aaronpk i haven't heard anything
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tantek kylewm: easy answer - send them to use the relmeauth lib which works w/o JS
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KartikPrabhu indieauth uses javascript for?
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aaronpk everything on indieauth.com is async, so lots of JS is needed
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aaronpk otherwise it'd be an awful lot of waiting for http requests before you saw the page
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tantek which is what happens with the relmeauth lib ;)
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek indieauth could do a nojs fallback to a warning about might take a bit, and then an "awful lot of waiting for http requests before" showing the results
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kylewm guessing that would be a very different code path
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aaronpk it could, but i have no desire to add that, since it would take a lot of extra code and it's complicated enough as is
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kylewm that^
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aaronpk i keep trying to reduce the amount of code in it
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aaronpk more code = more bugs
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tantek true. it's a low priority
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tantek if I get around to more providers I'll likely go that nojs route with relmeauth though
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tantek so if you're interested in providing a fallback that way, that may be a possibility
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tantek (someone else's code and maintenance problem ;) )
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tantek btw part of the reason I like keeping a nojs auth method working is mobile
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tantek so much goes wrong with async js on mobile and flakey networks etc.
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tantek as in, in-page inline JS tends to work fine, but external JS tends to be more flakey, and XHR stuff tends to be especially flakey (since error recovery needs to be done by the web dev instead of browser - i.e. reloading doesn't fix it, and few if any web devs deal with errors from XHR, nor even know how to, or that it's a problem)
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ben_thatmustbeme hey tantek, btw, on mobile the entire background is red only
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ben_thatmustbeme at least in chrome on android
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tantek interesting - perhaps chrome on android also doesn't properly support background-attachment:fixed
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tantek try Firefox Android
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ben_thatmustbeme *reading back still*
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ben_thatmustbeme IndieID doesn't use JS
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ben_thatmustbeme it is a bit of a wait
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ben_thatmustbeme but not unbareable certainly
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tantek ooh very cool
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tantek let me know if Firefox on Android works for you. I already tested FirefoxOS and it works great there.
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tantek just invited a bunch more folks to HWC SF this week - brace yourselves for the Bridgy flood
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KartikPrabhu tantek: chrome on android only red, FF on andorid works
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tantek sounds like a common base mobile webkit problem then
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tantek btw if you scroll you'll see the colors change eventually
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tantek on the buggy browsers
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme works on FF here too
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KartikPrabhu of course no background on Opera Mini
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tantek KartikPrabhu: note that it works fine in *desktop* Chrome or Safari if you resize your window to the size of your mobile screen. Thus it's only their mobile browsers/engines that have the problem.
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KartikPrabhu yes
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme still need to finish the bits of micropub chaining, its driving me nuts i'm so close
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ben_thatmustbeme well, to testing it that is
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ben_thatmustbeme uh oh
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#765543456858365 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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tantek I warned you.
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GWG Just in time for an invite flood
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: heard back from Jeremy Zilar - he may have a connection at NYT who can help with IndieWebCamp NYC - in your email. -t http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435598634734
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GWG I saw. Hoping that it works out.
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@voxpelli @ThatEmil Very nice looking – and I see h-entries! How did the WebMentions experiment go btw? (twitter.com/_/status/615599105876848641)
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ben_thatmustbeme is it over?
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ben_thatmustbeme the flood has subsided
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tantek GWG, my email latency is pretty high, so you may want to reply quickly/succinctly with any questions that Jeremy or his NYT contacts have about the hosting - even if we can only get one day BTW that is ok (another day can be done in a cafe etc.)
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tantek or if we need to get different people helping us on from NYT on Saturday vs. Sunday
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GWG tantek: Should I try to match it with PDX still? I think it might be possible standalone
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tantek invitations aftershock!
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tantek GWG - yes let's try to match July 11-12 if possible. Or even last weekend in July simultaneous with IWC Edinburgh. Baring that I'd suggest late September or early October for a standalone IWC NYC
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GWG I'll be home in an hour or so. Will start on it
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tantek Awesome
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GWG I am excited for the possibility
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tantek definitely!
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tantek give Zach a heads up too
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tantek so you all can be ready to roll if we get a green light on venue
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GWG I know bear said he was up for it. Hopefully we can recruit more
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tantek heck, see if bear wants to help co-organize with you!
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tantek especially if you haven't heard from zach lately
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tantek really makes a big difference for an IWC to have 2+ solid dedicated co-organizers. You keep each other going.
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bear I have the 11-12 already marked as IWC NYC
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bear and have sponsor from &yet for food
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bear was just wainting on venue word from the NYC moz person
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tantek bear - sounds like you're already co-organizing :) well done!
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GWG bear: I am promoting you
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bear :)
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GWG bear++
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Loqi bear has 64 karma
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tantek bear++
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Loqi bear has 65 karma
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bear gwg - followup email sent to Ashley at MozNYC
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GWG bear: I wouldn't rule it out. Nothing is guaranteed
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GWG I will handle the Times. Uf
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GWG If they hos
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GWG t, I will resubscribe
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tantek hah, nice :)
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GWG I may even let them deliver dead trees to my home.
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KevinMarks__ just found http://hwg.org via http://retrosite.ninja
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tantek wow suprised they're still around
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tantek was there a recent indieweb tie-in?
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KevinMarks__ no, just saw it and was amused
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KevinMarks__ if YOu try and join it redirects to the http://iwanet.org/iwa-membership/member-benefits/
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@AaronGustafson @thatemil Let me know if you want/need webmention help. (twitter.com/_/status/615608539906723840)
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@ThatEmil @sil @AaronGustafson Cool! I've got something cooking using Webmention Tools (https://github.com/vrypan/webmention-tools) but not quite there yet. (twitter.com/_/status/615610984665845761)
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tantek aaronpk - have you chatted with the OSBridge people to support IndieAuth sign-in?
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tantek e.g. on this page: http://opensourcebridge.org/sign_in
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tantek or even replace the OpenID with IndieAuth
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reidab tantek: we're already using omniauth for the osbridge sign-in, so supporting indieauth wouldn't be hard. the biggest problem we have is migrating OpenId users forward.
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voxpelli what's the simplest way of getting a working IndieAuth token?
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voxpelli trying to verify a token in a micropub flow, but haven't yet gotten to a part where a token is actually fetched :/
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tantek reidab good to know
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tantek IndieAuth may solve both those
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tantek since IndieAuth is also an OpenID provider
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reidab of course, we're already dealing with Google's OpenID-to-OAuth migration process seeming to be entirely broken so it can't get all that much worse…
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tantek that is - anyone that still wants to use OpenID (i.e. used to delegate to myopenid) can delegate to IndieAuth instead!
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tantek yeah all evidence/experience points to Google not actually caring about any form of distribute identity any more
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reidab it's also possible that I don't understand their documentation
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tantek all the OpenID+OAuth/OpenID2/OpenID-Connect stuff seems mostly there to open-wash properietary corp silo identification systems
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reidab but hey, now I have 8 months or so to rework the sign-in mechanics :P
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uhhyeahbret voxpelli: which token?
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uhhyeahbret the token endpoint?
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uhhyeahbret voxpelli: https://tokens.indieauth.com
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uhhyeahbret but you can write your own token endpoint that saves the bearer tokens on the wire
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voxpelli uhhyeahbret: yeah, only just now realized it was separate – but what kind of request do I have to do to it to get a working token?
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uhhyeahbret (eg in the client)
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uhhyeahbret voxpelli: for a client?
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voxpelli uhhyeahbret: I'm writing a Micropub server locally and so far haven't got a client, but I'm at the stage where I want to verify a token so I thought I would try to act as a client myself – through curl or something
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uhhyeahbret i forget off the top of my head
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uhhyeahbret will have to dive back into https://tokens.indieauth.com
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uhhyeahbret http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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uhhyeahbret http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming
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uhhyeahbret http://indiewebcamp.com/auth-brainstorming
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uhhyeahbret http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub-endpoint
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tantek reidab: hah - awesome
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tantek also thinking ahead to OSBridge 2016 - I went ahead and created this: http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page
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tantek just to document the other known scheduled conferences around that time: http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page#Other_Conferences - in the hopes that the dates for OSBridge 2016, when chosen, do not conflict
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tantek thanks!
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uhhyeahbret bbiab
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reidab the 2016 dates would be June 21–24
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reidab we haven't finalized / announced them yet, but that's what the venue availability is
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tantek reidab good to know
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voxpelli uhhyeahbret: I'll have to dig through the docs then
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voxpelli I think I've figured it out, adding the proper link tags now and then I should be able to retrieve a token from my manual client
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kylewm voxpelli: in case it's helpful, i wrote a node script a while ago, that right now just gets a token https://github.com/kylewm/node-micropub-cli/blob/master/upub.js
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aaronpk voxpelli: are the docs on https://tokens.indieauth.com/ not helpful?
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voxpelli kylewm: cool, that sounds helpful
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voxpelli aaronpk: there's just docs ther eon how to verify a token – that part I had covered – just needed to find a token I could actually verify :P Think I've got one now
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aaronpk oh gotcha
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voxpelli was enough to add the authentication endpoint to my domain and then get the code from auth server and send to token server
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bret aaronpk: where was db-less tokens endpoint documented again?
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 11 minutes ago: can you host HWC PDX this Wednesday? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435591034723
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bret i think its already taken care of
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KevinMarks_ research on comment markup? https://stevenf.com/shutupcss/
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KevinMarks_ what are comments?
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Loqi A comment (or reply) is a kind of post that is in reply to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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KevinMarks_ hm, where would I add that? to /comments or to the mf wiki?
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KevinMarks_ ah, or is it /comments-presentation
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