#indiewebcamp 2015-06-12

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@t
@benwerd indieweb tenets? @loqisaur says http://indiewebcamp.com/tenets In summary: 🗽✊🔍💪😋📓💞📐🌐🗿🎉🌈 (ttk.me t4bc1)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Tantek Çelik replied '@benwerd indieweb tenets? @loqisaur says indiewebcamp.com/tenets In summary: 🗽✊🔍💪😋📓💞📐🌐🗿🎉🌈 (ttk.me t4bc1)' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/t/status/609153784200228865)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Ben Werdmüller favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/tenets (https://twitter.com/t/status/609153784200228865)
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__number5__
love those emoji :)
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aaronpk
i'm pretty sure I just decided to publish my step count as a count of the number of steps I did between waking up and going to sleep, rather than by any concept of calendar day
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tantek
sounds like a Hixie day
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aaronpk
:-( "This site is no longer actively maintained. I mainly post on Google+ now." http://ln.hixie.ch/
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aaronpk
thinking about turning my top-level URLs (/articles, /notes, etc) into "collections", meaning they would have no significance on the underlying posts, and would be a sort of progressive enhancement rather than core to how any of my site works
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aaronpk
any of my posts could be added to any of the collections, they'd no longer be limited by "post type"
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tantek
so you're saying /articles, /notes, etc would all become just "views" on your underyling posts data "model" ?
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aaronpk
best example of this is my travel page, since I'm finding I want to include other things there such as certain events, or long bike rides
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aaronpk
also thinking about making a new one "health" which includes runs, longer bike rides, pushups, sleep, steps
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tantek
as a superset of exercise?
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aaronpk
yeah, i may not actually publish anything called "exercise" tho
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tantek
what is exercise?
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aaronpk
and will probably drop "metrics" too since that was really more of a technical reason that existed
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Loqi
exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/exercise
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tantek
does health include food?
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aaronpk
hmm probably
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tantek
(going real deep here in the indieweb philosophical discussions)
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aaronpk
the other nice thing about thinking of it this way, is that I can put off the entire concept of that for now and just focus on individual posts and my /all page!
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tantek
indeed!
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snarfed
now that's dedication
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aaronpk
analog++
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Loqi
analog has 1 karma
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tantek
just noticed that you have 6 LINK rels in the header on that post, but none of them is webmention
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aaronpk
it's down at the bottom in an <a> tag
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tantek
I should say, HTTP header that is
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Loqi
it is probable
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aaronpk
oh! yeah, can't quite remember the reason I dropped it from the HTTP header
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tantek
gives Loqi a Bayesian
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Loqi
enjoys the Bayesian
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KevinMarks
are they morphing into tags then. aaronpk ?
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@benwerd
Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015
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Loqi
[mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Facebook-style behavior is
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@andrewslack
RT @benwerd: Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015
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@assemblepgh
RT @benwerd: Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015
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tantek
do we need to put a big banner at the top of the home page saying something like ANNUAL INDIEWEBCAMP IN ONE MONTH! JOIN US!
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tantek
or something like that?
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tantek
I feel like some form of seasonal promotion makes sense, but I'm not sure how to make it work with the current design, and when it's appropriate
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tantek.com
edited /Bridgy (+280) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add myself with my Bridgy Publish usage, likes of Tweets, RSVPs to FB events"
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tantek
alright I checked the gh issues and I can't find the answer - does Bridgy Publish support POSSEing comments to Instagram?
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snarfed
iirc we've looked at this before and their docs say it's only for advertisers, or something similar
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tantek
ok I suspected but couldn't find an FAQ
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Loqi
[bridgy] Andrew Slack favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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snarfed
don't quote me. aaronpk might remember. i suspect it's either in the wiki or a bridgy issue (i know you searched)
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tantek
I remember aaronpk trying and gettng frustrated by the comment approval thing
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Loqi
[bridgy] Andrew Slack retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/andrewslack/status/609175326464159744)
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tantek
also for some reason I thought aaronpk's site was POSSEing his posts from ownyourgram to Twitter
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tantek
I mean I thought p3k would do that automatically, as part of handling the micropub post from ownyourgram
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KevinMarks
so, trying out a rudimentary indiecard parser
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KevinMarks
and implied name is a bugger
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tantek
on what real world examples?
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tantek
I'd hope so ;)
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tantek
KevinMarks++
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KevinMarks
'cos my h-feed has no name
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Loqi
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tantek
KevinMarks: why do you bother to markup h-feed then?
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tantek
the problem may be too much markup, not too little ;)
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KevinMarks
seems to get 'type': [u'h-x-app']
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snarfed
"my h-feed has no name" sounds like a hot new indieweb pop song
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tantek
I like how "unmung" is now really KevinMarksPlayground
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KevinMarks
it's unmunging things in different ways
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KevinMarks
what is h-x-app, aaronpk ?
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@t
@aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2)
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KevinMarks
should I skip items that start with 'x-'
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tantek
no we should fix the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
Indeed. Tantek you see the debate on a-x-client-id vs a-x-created-by. There has to be a better term
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: what does that have to do with the wiki?!?
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ben_thatmustbeme
-x-creating-app
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tantek
the wiki pages should all just be h-entry
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tantek
by default
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tantek
and maybe we special case a few to h-event
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rbrt
you guys plan on having any events in ny anytime soon?
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tantek
rbrt, GWG is organizing IndieWebCamp NYC July 11-12!
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ben_thatmustbeme
Sorry on phone. Thought the wiki comment was about adding to proposed values
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rbrt
are these for advanced users? because I am kind of just getting started
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tantek
for anyone that wants to get or work on their own webiste
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tantek
s/webiste/website
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: for anyone that wants to get or work on their own website
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rbrt
ok sounds good
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KevinMarks
hm, not just my problem wiht h-feed's implied name http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://ma.tt
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tantek
KevinMarks: that's partly because we're still fixing the parsers's backcompat parsing
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tantek
if you want to debug that you're going to have to actually view the markup manually to dig into it
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tantek
we very likely have more WP backcompat analysis to do
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tantek
I alread added some proposed improvements to microformats.org/wiki/h-entry back-compat parsing
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tantek
nothing for h-feed yet though - that likely still requires some analysis
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@t
@aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2)
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kylewm
anyone know a hacky way to posse comments to instagram? starting to be kind of a big itch for me
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kylewm
(noticed the question before)
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tantek
well, the web UI lets you comment so… ;)
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kylewm
maybe I can get further than last time, now that i know what csrf is :)
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Loqi
[bridgy] raul penaranda favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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ben_thatmustbeme
Hmm. Does it work without JavaScript? You can always do something with mechanize. It's pretty hacky though. Any ui change could break it
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tantek
perhaps sort of like the original Google Maps "API" that someone reverse engineered by looking at their AJAX requests
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kylewm
heh, no looks like it is all JS
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KevinMarks
it's react, apparently
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Loqi
[bridgy] Bruce Aguilar favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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@t
@aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2)
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tantek
ladies and gentlemen, I've crawled (literally) my way to automatically sending webmentions to in-reply-to URLs, finally. This indie-comment of mine on http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring was sent without any manual use of cURL or the nice form UI on that page.
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ben_thatmustbeme
automation++
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Loqi
automation has 2 karma
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tantek
onefewermanualstep++
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Loqi
onefewermanualstep has 2 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
now to send vouches with it :P
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tantek
also updated my posting UI to list all the in-reply-to URLs (e.g. for multireplies and/or POSSE threading), and prefetch/display webmention endpoint URLs to note which webmentions will get sent
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ben_thatmustbeme
side note, getting back to the indie-cards thing. it works well as a specification of what we are all basically already doing
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ben_thatmustbeme
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snarfed
tantek++ woo congrats!
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tantek
you mean when consuming info about a page?
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Loqi
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tantek
snarfed - that was far more debugging than I expected (from our last in-person conversation). had several bugs to fix.
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snarfed
tantek: heh. nothing's ever easy. nice work!
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tantek
new #cassis.js is_html_type function coming out of it too
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tantek
rather function is_html_type()
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tantek
snarfed, where are your notes again?
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snarfed
i don't have a separate feed for them vs articles. just the home page
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tantek
just not that many notes then? mostly articles?
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snarfed
actually i may not even distinguish notes vs articles at all
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snarfed
posttypes—
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snarfed
plenty of notes in spirit, just marked up wrong
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snarfed
(i think)
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tantek
autoemdash--
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Loqi
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tantek
snarfed: hmm - not seeing any "notes" since 2015-04-01. a couple of name/title-less photo posts before that
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snarfed
right, markup may be all articles
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tantek
no I mean visually so - not per markup
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tantek
hence "notes" in quotes :)
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snarfed
ah ok. visually there are plenty, on the front page, right?
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snarfed
oh if you don't count photos
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snarfed
then yeah, 2015-04-01 and before
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snarfed
meh =call them what you want :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
Works for posts too already
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tantek
wow @adactio has become nothing but IFTTT POSSE tweets!
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tantek
oh no oops I was looking at @adactioJournal
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GWG
Good morning all
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KevinMarks__
Blows up on a lot of hfeeds though, as many don't have name set so get content
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tantek
pretty sure we have a issue on not implying p-name on back compat parsing
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tantek
KevinMarks: if you'd like, since that issue was resolved unanimously at the mf2 dev meetup, you're welcome to implement it in mf2py
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tantek
that will likely fix your handling of hfeeds
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KevinMarks
or it could be we didn't actually define the hfeed mapping in mf2py
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tantek
even if you did define it, you will likely need to fix that issue
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GWG
Next week, I need to solve the venue issue one way or another for IWC
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KevinMarks
hm, hfeed didn't define a title?
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KevinMarks
atom has title and subtitle
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tantek
and who actually made use of that?
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tantek
atom has tons of things no one actually used in practice
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tantek
hAtom was a deliberate subset
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tantek
not when we checked back when we were doing hAtom
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tantek
you were there too KevinMarks :)
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KevinMarks
so the h-feeds I make from atom or RSS have them
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tantek
oh? how are you representing them? concatenating into a p-name?
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KevinMarks
I put a p-subtitle in
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KevinMarks
though maybe p-summary would be better
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tantek
there we go
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KevinMarks
thing is, it isn't quite a summary
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tantek
but how do people use it?
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KevinMarks
it is usually a quip
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tantek
are they basically sticking a brief summary in there?
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KevinMarks
picking random ones on blogger, lots are summary-like
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tantek
probably because they gave it a bigger text box than just one line
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tantek
UI tends to shape usage
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KevinMarks
ditto with wordpress.com featured ones
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KevinMarks
so p-summary would be a decent mapping from atom:subtitle
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tantek
kylewm: I am *really* confused with what is going on here https://kylewm.com/2015/06/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but
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tantek
(uh oh)
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tantek
oh - multireply-context on top?
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kylewm
yeah, multireply context on top
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tantek
but I'm really confused by acegiak's replies underneath - they seem to be just her h-card?
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kylewm
yeah, acegiak's header has an e-content on it and it's inside the h-entry, so it's picked up as the body of the reply
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tantek
oh and the last reply "here goes nothing" has a "#" link that links to https://kylewm.com/2015/06/h which is a 404
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kylewm
yeah that's pretty weird
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tantek
but the (kylewm.com) link immediately before it works!
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kylewm
that last reply was a reply-to-a-reply
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tantek
yeah so guess what I'm about to try...
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kylewm
awesome!!
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tantek
(that's NOT what I replied to)
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tantek
also, with automatic webmention sending :D
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tantek
unfortunately my post is a leaf/edge since I don't process/display incoming webmentions yet (just queuing up at webmention io), nor do I pass them along
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tantek
ok I think I'm declaring victory on getting automatic webmentions to in-reply-to URLs working
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kylewm
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 200 karma
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tantek
kylewm: your relative webmention URL endpoint took a bit more code :)
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kylewm
balloons!
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tantek
(but it ran first try)
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kylewm
oh sweet, yeah I believe I made it relative cause someone else was testing something, and then i left it that way
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tantek
#cassis.js is getting a new get_absolute_uri() function
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tantek
(takes two params, uri, base)
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kylewm
doesn't php-mf2 make it absolute though?
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kylewm
unrelated: something weird is going on with the image/link at the top of http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Early_User_Interface
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kylewm
the link is to a presentation from 2013, but it redirects to a presentation from 2014
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tantek
is that a caseorganic URL? yeah I think there were some odd redir things with those
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tantek
kylewm: um, not using phpmf2 for that, but rather DOMDocument, loadHTML, DOMXPath
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tantek
since it's *only* a pass to get rel webmention
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tantek
all the # links from acegiak's comment all the way down all link to that 404 URL
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kylewm
lol, I don't even have a guess why that's happening. thank you for pointing it out though, i wll check it out
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@_die_katrin
reading about indieweb, posse, etc. very happy about @diplix’s talk/article covering the basics http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/
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kylewm
oh duh, it's <a href="h">#</a> becuase i did url[0]
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tantek
so when your reply posts receive a webmention of a reply to them, they pass it along to the original in-reply-to?
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tantek
is that how salmentions work?
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tantek
(hilarious portmanteau btw)
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tantek
(whoever coined that)
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tantek
that needs to go in /timeline
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kylewm
the post that receives a comment just re-sends webmentions the same way it would if i edited the content of the post
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tantek
oh! then the receiver of that webmention pulls in its new replies
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tantek
or rather any new replies to that reply
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tantek
as part of the update?
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kylewm
pfefferle shared a link to the wiki that discussed the idea in at least 2013, but i think acegiak coined salmentions recently
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tantek
using p-comment ?
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kylewm
indeed
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tantek
amazing
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tantek
surreal watching that work
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kylewm
i love that it doesnt involve any new inventions, just a logical extension of the way comments already were working
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acegiak
I fixed my header h-card!
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tantek
it did involve the first real world consuming code of "p-comment"
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acegiak
kylewm: I saw you did the thing! so excite!
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acegiak
blackwool got alarmed cause I just started giggling out of nowhere
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kylewm
tantek: I think aaronpk was using them in monocle to show comment counts already
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tantek
oh cool!
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kylewm
acegiak: hahah, awesome
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tantek
acegiak: does this mean if you resend your webmentions from replies that your extra h-card inside the post goes away?
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tantek
kylewm: wait - did all this just happen in the past 48hours?!?
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kylewm
um, a little more than that i think
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tantek
i can't find older references to salmentions
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tantek
acegiak++ ok I'm really impressed by the frequency of you posting on your own site. well done.
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Loqi
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acegiak
It works!
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acegiak
tantek: it's mostly reblogging
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kylewm
here's the original article describing the mechanism https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-propagation
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kylewm
looks like barnaby, sandeep, and pfefferle from 2013
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acegiak
kylewm++ salmentions working! today just keeps getting better and better
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Loqi
kylewm has 177 karma
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acegiak
when I sent the update just now?
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tantek
acegiak, is that post the first mention of salmentions? or did you mention it in IRC earlier?
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acegiak
tantek: I /think/ I'd used the term on irc earlier?
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acegiak
how searchable is the log?
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tantek
um, let's just say Google is too slow and too shallow
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tantek
acegiak: ironically first reference I can find on IRC is kylewm referring to "acegiak's salmentions proposal"
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tantek
13:15 on 2015-06-09
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Loqi
!calc 13:15 on 2015-06-09
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acegiak
lol ok
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acegiak
might be the first time then?
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acegiak
I might have said "salmon-like mentions" or something equally awkward previously
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kylewm
that's the first I'd seen it ^
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tantek
but even there it says "I suggested #indieweb salmentions" which implies you mentioned it earlier!
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acegiak
I'd suggested salmon like upstream webmention forwarding previously
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acegiak
just now with that name
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acegiak
begins to doubt her own sanity
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kylewm.com
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tantek
ok I found this "upstream" reference, kylewm asking acegiak about it http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433814580389
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tantek
kylewm: do you remember the context of that comment?
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acegiak
tantek: still a reference to earlier conversations, sorry.
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tantek
google is finding references to a Pokemon called "salmention" - uh: http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/Pokemon-salmention-LX
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acegiak
tantek: That's definitely not an official pokemon.
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tantek
perhaps a VERY rare one ;)
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tantek
alright, looks like your post is the first term use - nicely done
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acegiak
that's the conversation Im thinking of
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acegiak
hillariously: with you
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tantek
hilarious - glad I didn't discourage you too much (though it did take us a year to get back to it!)
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tantek
and looks like sandeep suggested the upstream concept 2013-06-23 - wow very first draft: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=comment-propagation&oldid=3603
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tantek
the last two steps are the explicit sending and the handling of the salmention
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acegiak
tantek: I've definitely mentioned it occasionally since then but the main problem is that the wordpress webmention semantic linkbacks code is a bit too much for me to get a foothold on the problem
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acegiak
tantek: yeah that's it
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tantek
one year from concept to "salmon-like upstream" description, then another year to term creation, then mere hours to implementation
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tantek
that's a fascinating evolution of an idea
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acegiak
kylewm's platform appears to be brilliant for rapid iteration
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tantek
yeah it's kind of amazing how fast he's built stuff
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tantek
I think he's iterating faster than Known now
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tantek
of course, they're going for a broader / more diverse user base, so different priorities
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tantek
and I have a feeling that once aaronpk finishes his current restructuring of p3k, he's going to be rapid iterating as well
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acegiak
I can iterate on some things quickly, but this, not so much
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tantek
kylewm: when did you get salmentions working?
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tantek
was that the here goes nothing?
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tantek.com
edited /timeline (+751) "comment-propagation, salmon-like upstream, salmentions"
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kylewm
tantek: yes, that was the first one that worked myself-to-myself
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tantek
looks like you handled receiving mine and passing it along to yourself just fine!
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acegiak
but your parser doesn't appear to pick it up just yet
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kylewm
hmm, yeah so the comment content is p-summary, it looks like I am only checking for p-content or e-content
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acegiak
well I can adjust that
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acegiak
actually I can also make it so it's not got the "kyle says xx/xx/xx" in there
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acegiak
but I should go for my walk first while the sun is still out
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acegiak
I'll have a crack in 45mins when I'm back
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tantek
now I'm tempted to try to get backcompat pingback sending working too, so I can properly comment automatically from my site to eschnou's original Testing indieweb federation post
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tantek
but first dinner
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GWG
acegiak: I said I just brought over the code. It needs a rewrite
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acegiak
GWG: yeah I know. I just like fiddling
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GWG
acegiak: Just wanted to mention. Vacation is over tomorrow night. Heading home to work on it.
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Zegnat
Good morning all
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Zegnat
(That Salmention Pokémon card just shows the Pokémon Salamence. Boring. While there are fish Pokémon, none of them are based on salmon. Magikarp and Goldeen swim upstream though.)
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KevinMarks
so had you heard of http://www.salmon-protocol.org/ or was this the same name occuring to you?
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tantek
KevinMarks: quite a few mentions of salmon already all around the wiki
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tantek
acegiak: your use of "salmon-like upstream" was in reference to the salmon protocol right?
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acegiak
tantek: yeah
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acegiak
riding their metaphor
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tantek
that's what I figured. silly KevinMarks :)
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vanderven.se martijn
edited /The-Open-Graph-protocol (+357) "/* Silo Examples */ Adding Apple News."
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@alexismp
Dommage que @nitot ne parle pas de #indieweb dans sa keynote du #breizhcamp
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@t
@eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1)
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tantek
eschnou: still around? can you check to see if you received a pingback from me on https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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@t
@eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1)
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tantek
trying again
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@t
@eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1)
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tantek
and I've got automatic fallback from sending webmention to sending pingback working - and commented here without any manual curling - directly from my site: https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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tantek
!tell eschnou looks like your uf2 parsing upon receiving a pingback needs updating to support relative URLs for images - that's why mine and others' images on indie comments on https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html are broken!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t
Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb
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@BRIAN_____
RT @t: Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+111) "/* Reply */ automatic sending of webmentions or pingbacks to original post"
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (-114) "automatic sending of webmentions from replies to originals / falling back to pingbacks, done from Working On"
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tantek.com
edited /comment (+1618) "add to why, Send Webmentions From Reply"
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@Folletto
RT @t: Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb
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@rhiaro
@digitalWestie @TerminalPixel It's what all the cool kids are doing! #indieweb
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petermolnar
let's ddos bridgy & Loqi
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__number5__
fackbook flooding #indieweb!
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tantek
__number5__: it's all the invitations to the next HWC SF
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GWG
I need to study comment presentation a bit
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LanceyWork
all the hwc meetings are always scheduled for when i already have plans!
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tantek
LanceyWork: they're every other Wednesday! predictable :) plan for the next one!
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acegiak
ok neat! My comments are now marked up so kylewm can grab them when I send him a salmention
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GWG
acegiak: Oh?
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acegiak
just added e-content where you've got p-summary
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kylewm
woop woop
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acegiak
kylewm: I've switched it to e-content from p-content since I sent the salmention cause html content is more valuable?
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acegiak
it's 12:30 but I think I've got an in in the semantic linkbacks code
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aaronpk
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk
quite the bridgy flood
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LanceyWork
good morning
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GWG
acegiak: What about the Semantic Linkbacks code?
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GWG
Good evening, aaronpk
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petermolnar
good afternoon, everyone
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acegiak
GWG: I'm working on getting it to parse child comments for salmention handling
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GWG
acegiak: Keep me posted
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gRegorLove
What's salmention?
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KartikPrabhu
what is salmention?
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acegiak
what are salmentions
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loqi.me
created /salmention (+24) "prompted by KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-12/line/1434122569922 and dfn added by KartikPrabhu"
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acegiak
it's just a mention passed upstream for comment chains
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gRegorLove
Hm. Still not sure what it is exactly :)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Salmentions (+36) "rephrase, see also"
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aaronpk
try that
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gRegorLove
Ah, better. Is it just a regular webmention then, no additional parameter?
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aaronpk
it's not actually anything different than what has been described before, just a cute name :)
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aaronpk
like, if your post is updated, you should send a webmention again. it's just saying that you should also send webmentions when your post is updated because you displayed a comment there
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GWG
acegiak, would that belong in Semantic Linkbacks or Webmentions then?
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acegiak
GWG: What I'm doing is the parsing of the child comments
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acegiak
so I think semantic linkbacks?
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GWG
acegiak: I'm not sure.
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GWG
I have trouble finding the best place for things
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acegiak
GWG: It's early and I'm doing it in semantic linkbacks
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acegiak
we can fix it later if it works
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acegiak
aaronpk++ your explanation is mooch batter
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Loqi
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acegiak
Yay spaghetti coding!
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acegiak
ok now I need to test this shit
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@cliffordlevy
How important is mobile for @nytimes? We’re blocking access to our home page on desktop in our building. https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/609400254639812608/photo/1
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dym_cx
terminology of "dogfooding" is kinda screwed, tbh
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aaronpk
agreed, but that is a long-standing debate with no better suggestion
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dym_cx
make what you will use and use what you make"
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aaronpk
too long for a tweet
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aaronpk
like I said, feel free to add to the page
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dym_cx
"too long for a tweet", is this even a real argument? for a comparison: http://i.imgur.com/U9Sn7kG.jpg
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dym_cx
i'll go see the page now
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aaronpk
yes, it is useful to have a single term to reference the concept, often used as a hashtag or in a title of a post
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aaronpk
"too long for a tweet" was shorthand for that ^
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aaronpk
(see the citations on that page for examples)
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aaronpk
also useful is when the term can be used as a noun as well as a verb
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aaronpk
language is fun!
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dym_cx
the bast analogy (apart from autofellatio) is "be part of your kids life"
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dym_cx
*best
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dym_cx
so "parenting"
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gRegorLove
#buildyourownlightsaber #lightsberring
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gRegorLove
Hah, hadn't seen the expanded section yet http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfooding#Lightsaber
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@acegiak
Fuck yeah! Got basic Indieweb Salmention handling working! - https://acegiak.net/2015/06/13/12891/
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dym_cx
"build your own castle"?
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aaronpk
castle is good, how to shorten that though?
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acegiak
I like the lightsaber example!
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aaronpk
the equivalent would be "eat your own dogfood" -> selfdogfooding
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aaronpk
is more of a star trek fan :P
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aaronpk
build your own tricorder
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gRegorLove
GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW.
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acegiak
Ok well I have wordpress reading child comments for salmentions. I consider that enough achievement for one night, I'mma hit the sack
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aaronpk
acegiak++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
acegiak++ awesome!
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Loqi
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acegiak
see you all in the morning
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aaronpk
there's gotta be a German word for this idea, right? just a bunch of smaller words slammed together?
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dym_cx
i'm not sure the concept of eating food of ones dog is even a thing in germany
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dym_cx
making food for the dog by yourself – sure
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dym_cx
or just sharing a plate
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aaronpk
no i mean the idea that the dogfood metaphor is getting at
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dym_cx
how about "grow your own food"
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aaronpk
that's good too. just not sure how to shorten it
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snarfed
acegiak++ for adding salmentions to semantic-linkbacks
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snarfed
can't wait to use it!
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Loqi
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GWG
snarfed: Should be interesting, I agree
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@oSoftDev
Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/609419715191156736/photo/1
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@indiegamesdevel
RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c…
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@JeanFrenchh
RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c…
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@8bit8bitgirl
RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c…
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dym_cx
aaronpk: [[Salmentions]]? threads?
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro: what do you use for a database/do you use a database?
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rhiaro
Kongaloosh: MySQL with a triple store layer, you won't like it
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dym_cx
rhiaro:
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dym_cx
rhiaro: when i use the tweet button on http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/06/iwc-edi -- it send the full article text into the tweet
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dym_cx
all 1000+ symbols
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rhiaro
Yeah it's broken
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rhiaro
Aware
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rhiaro
The tweet button is actually for me not other people anyway
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dym_cx
oka
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dym_cx
oke
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dym_cx
with Salmentions introduced, a "planet.indiewebcamp.com" would be a nice way to test/showcase it in action
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aaronpk
yeah i still really wanna make a planet
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@SocketIO
RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c…
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dym_cx
since foaf i low on usage, what is the current analog of friend lists? opml of rss feeds?
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dym_cx
s/i low/is low/
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Loqi
dym_cx meant to say: since foaf is low on usage, what is the current analog of friend lists? opml of rss feeds?
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro: are there going to be more IWC events... possibly in the fall-winter-spring?
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rhiaro
In Edinburgh or anywhere?
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rhiaro
Want to help me organize..?
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kylewm
dym_cx: likely something with XFN
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Kongaloosh
edinburgh
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Kongaloosh
wonders what they're doing
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KevinMarks_
Xfn for friend lists
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro: I'm able to manually post, but when I'm using a client like quill all I'm getting is 'Your endpoint did not return a Location header.' However, I have a little debugger in my code that's showing that my /micropub isn't even being accessed.
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Kongaloosh
you wouldn't happen to know off-hand what might cause that?
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rhiaro
Wrong URL in link tag?
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Kongaloosh
figured it out
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Kongaloosh
okay, so I derped out and I was manually going to http, rather than https
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rhiaro
Classic
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Kongaloosh
so I need to figure out SSL
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kylewm
Kongaloosh: it's OK to get it working over http first
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Kongaloosh
kylewm: yeah, I have. It's just a matter of getting external stuff like quill to play nicely.
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kylewm
that's what I mean, Quill, Indieauth, etc. should all work fine over http
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Kongaloosh
that's not good
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Kongaloosh
kylewm: quill says 'https://mysite.com/micropub' should be my endpoint... are you positive it should be fine over http?
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kylewm
like...80%?
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kylewm
what's your URL?
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Kongaloosh
kongaloosh.com
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kylewm
so in <link rel="micropub"> did you try it with http://kongaloosh.com/micropub?
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kylewm
cause right now it's https://kongaloosh.com/micropub which is not a thing
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, what would you do for a share of a link only. its not a repost, just a share of a link
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ben_thatmustbeme
i guess just an h-cite??
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Kongaloosh
kylewm: aha! gimmie a 'mo
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: sounds like a bookmark?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i suppose, to me bookmark means something i want to keep a list of vs just a share to followers of "hey check this link out"
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kylewm
I would look at https://adactio.com/links/ for prior art
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Kongaloosh
kylewm: FIXED
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Kongaloosh
thanks, man!
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kylewm
great!
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, adactio does no markup at all on those links, other than to just be links in the content
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KevinMarks
gillmor gang time
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dym_cx
so, if i create a post of XFN nature (rel=follower/reader/listener...), would it be generally a "bookmark"?
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@pmarca
"The web is dead," he said, posting a link to a relevant article.
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@kevinmarks
@om @naval indieweb - the app bubble is popping
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