#indiewebcamp 2015-05-13

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raucao way after the bridgy requests to my site
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raucao it's quite late, i'm hitting the sack. will gladly join more debugging tomorrow, in case it's needed
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raucao gn8
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kylewm raucao: ok no worries, I think next time you post something it will start working
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kylewm and some time after that it will back and refetch the old posts
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raucao oh cool
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raucao thanks!
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kylewm good night :)
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Loqi gute nacht!
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raucao :)
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kylewm apropos, Loqi
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raucao and to you (whenever that is)
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kylewm GWG: Chris Aldrich is active in Known stuff
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kylewm and his primary site runs WP
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GWG kylewm: Good to know.
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GWG He's watching my github activity
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Vendan honestly, having thought about it more, I'm not sure that I'm going to switch to file storage
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tantek do what's most productive for you to achieve your goals for your personal site
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Vendan heh, if your url regex fails on http://example.com./ your regex is broken
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tantek___ What's the point of such urls with a trailing . After the domain before the slash? Other than being yet another string variant of the same thing?
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tantek___ It looks like a typo - your authentic tool should flag it and or autocorrect it.
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tantek___ s/authentic/authoring
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Loqi tantek___ meant to say: It looks like a typo - your authoring tool should flag it and or autocorrect it.
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GWG So, I asked this earlier. Does anyone have a really good example of a photo posting UI?
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tantek____ GWG, IG isn't bad. known's photo posting UI seems good enough for people to use it.
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tantek____ And see also adactio's UI
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tantek____ What is create?
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Loqi create in the context of the indieweb refers to the act of and UI for creating a new post, in its simplest form, a new note https://indiewebcamp.com/create
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tantek____ GWG see examples there ^^^
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GWG tantek____: I wrote a photo posting UI last night and want to iterate.
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GWG I might need to add location before I go on vacation.
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tantek____ I think adactio's automatically adds location. To his notes too.
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tantek____ Benwerd's also
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GWG I need to focus my efforts. I tend to switch between projects
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lancey.space created /User:Lancey.space (+106) "Created page with "Lance Coyote or David Reeve. My site runs on [[Django]] 1.8 using homemade apps. [[http://lancey.space]]"" (view diff)
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@oSoftDev #Flash #games User Control for the members section. #indieweb #webdev #webdevelopment https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/598327855215411200/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/598327855215411200)
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@DataC5155 RT @oSoftDev: #Flash #games User Control for the members section. #indieweb #webdev #webdevelopment https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/598327855215411200/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/598328124431020032)
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KartikPrabhu not indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme Indie games devs tend to use #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme Also btw since when did Facebook start linking hashtags?
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kylewm oSoftDev is the only game dev i see spamming #indieweb, tbh
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acegiak so if I want to use the twitter api to posse a repost with comment of a tweet do I just post a regular status update reply with RT at the start and the comment appended?
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GWG acegiak: Writing something to POSSE?
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acegiak I want to posse my reposting of a tweet but I don't want it to display natively on twitter without a shorturl of my action of reposting it
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acegiak if that makes sense?
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GWG Yes
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kylewm repost with comment is implemented literally as just including the quoted tweet url in your content
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kylewm doesn't have to have "RT" or the @name or anything, just the url
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acegiak oh ok neat!
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KartikPrabhu this twitter thing is getting more complicated
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acegiak yeah, I'm not a fan
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acegiak like, I'm not sure if I'm posseing a repost should I just twitter native retweet?
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acegiak I'm worried that appending the shorturl of my repost action might come off as douchey
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KartikPrabhu it seems like Twitter doesn't quite do what people want it to do, but they're stuck on it so they hack around; with pictures to get past the char-limit or RT to quote a retweet and all that
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kylewm acegiak: would backfeed from Tumblr make sense if bridgy did it? i ask because it seems like reposts are handled a bit differently there than anywhere else
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kylewm like A posts something, B reposts, C reposts B's repost
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kylewm then C has a list of comments "original posted by A, reposted by B"
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acegiak kylewm: Yeah, it's tricky
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kylewm like, they have all the comments before and after their post
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acegiak the problem is that you sometimes end with these blockquote based comment trees
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tantek acegiak: that's kinda how I felt about doing POSSE reposts to Twitter (re: appending your own permashortlink) so decided native retweets (as the POSSE) made the most sense: https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Reposts_of_Tweets
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@killerog A little webmentions test http://killerog.com/2015/05/10/trying-out-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/598376053229359104)
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rhiaro reads logs
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rhiaro tantek, acegiak: I did indie repost then pasted the URL of that into bridgy publish and it magically became a native retweet
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rhiaro Though I don't think I get re-retweets or interactions with the original tweet back, and not sure if I should / want that
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KartikPrabhu rhiaro: that is a Twitter silo constraint of not treating reposts as first-class-posts
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KartikPrabhu I suspect that's why people are using the RT thing
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KartikPrabhu note G+ considers reposts as actual posts, and so does Tumblr i think
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KartikPrabhu no silo afaik considers "likes/favs" as actual posts
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@kevinmarks @bradneuberg independent consulting and hacking on #indieweb things (twitter.com/_/status/598379639929634816)
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atomicules.co.uk edited /Flickr (+158) "Add myself to list" (view diff)
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@pierreozoux OuiShareLabsCamp now with webmention support \o/ #indieweb http://camp.ouisharelabs.net/2015/about/ https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/ouisharelabscamp-now-with-webmention-support-o-indieweb-2015about (twitter.com/_/status/598401972811735040)
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@elfpavlik @pierreozoux do you also support RSVP via webmention? http://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp (twitter.com/_/status/598405772494639104)
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Loqi [bridgy] Pierre replied '@elfpavlik @kirilind took care of it, I don't know exactly, but the idea is that:) And this website is also an experiment for futur events!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp (https://twitter.com/pierreozoux/status/598408569030074368)
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tantek hmm - just came up with a use-case for auto_embed without auto_link
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tantek when you have plain text that is going to go inside a hyperlink already
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20150513-104415.pdf "Uploaded via email by "Simon" <mwiz*@*nferencetrainings.net>"
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20150513-104416.pdf "Uploaded via email by "Simon" <mwiz*@*nferencetrainings.net>"
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tantek huh
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tantek.com deleted /File:20150513-104415.pdf "Spam"
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tantek.com deleted /File:20150513-104416.pdf "Spam"
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tantek.com edited /XML (+33) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /proper_XML (+39) "linky, see also" (view diff)
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@NZN Mozilla #vrm #webmaker #indieweb Winners https://commonspace.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/participationplan/#comment-16409 Dominate the web..hierarchy or heterarchy..admin &win.. #employee or #indie (twitter.com/_/status/598444256882085889)
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tantek o rly
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tantek that's a sort of indie web I suppose
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tantek can now optionally use an image URL (auto_embedded!) as the "title text" for a like: http://tantek.com/2015/133/f1
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tantek still a far cry from http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Instagram screenshot examples, but some inspiration there. multiple such photo likes in a row (literally) is an exercise for the future.
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@_WPScan_ Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) - https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 (twitter.com/_/status/598451086916194304)
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@VulnsWp Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/598453638265188352)
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@Wordpress_Newz WP Security Alert: Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 (twitter.com/_/status/598453643763933184)
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@WPVuln Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 (twitter.com/_/status/598453655575068672)
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rhiaro I'm enjoying my twitter posse shortcut button
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rhiaro 1 line if html > dealing with twitter api
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@WordPressSicher RT @_WPScan_: Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) - https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 (twitter.com/_/status/598455151591030784)
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Vendan ugh, and that is the reason I refuse to touch WP anymore
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petermolnar neh, you just have to make everything nonsensely stupid-proof
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@OuiShareLabs RT @pierreozoux: OuiShareLabsCamp now with webmention support \o/ #indieweb http://camp.ouisharelabs.net/2015/about/ https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2015/ouisharelabscamp-now-with-webmention-support-o-indieweb-2015about (twitter.com/_/status/598463674920136704)
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petermolnar although GWG might want a note about that bug
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petermolnar !tell GWG https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG It was already fixed.
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 29 seconds ago: https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431519912039
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i was about to say that
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ben_thatmustbeme it says fixed in 1.3.1.1
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petermolnar I know, what I didn't know if that was a fix on purpose or just accidental
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GWG They didn't check the plugin. I didn't increment the version number
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GWG It was an exploit found in genericons. Not a WordPress issue
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@WpSecBloggers Indieweb Post Kinds This post was originally published on this site The post Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 – DO... https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed (twitter.com/_/status/598465007265820672)
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GWG Grr..
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petermolnar I'm starting to hate the #wordpress channel
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petermolnar everyone just jumps in for shitty questions on woocommerce and no one is open for any potential bug discussions or similar
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GWG petermolnar: Agreed
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raucao yay, it's working without links now https://updates.kip.pe/2015/theres-a-new-paleo-restaurant-around-the-corner-from-our (cc kylewm)
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raucao thanks again for your help!
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raucao next up, fixing that weird incoming-webmentions-from-elsewhere prob that rhiaro also experienced with known
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petermolnar what's that about?
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petermolnar the weird webmentions?
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LanceyWork woo i got h-entries working properly
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LanceyWork now to do something worthwhile
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raucao petermolnar: the endpoint is polled but known doesn't save anything
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raucao it returns 200s, 202s and in one instance even a 206 though
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raucao nothing else in the logs
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petermolnar is it a valid webmention? if you manually follow the link, is it working?
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@skddc Btw, it's possible to sync Twitter replies to Known without using backlinks after all: https://updates.kip.pe/2015/theres-a-new-paleo-restaurant-around-the-corner-from-our http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery (twitter.com/_/status/598476162977943552)
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Loqi [mention] Sebastian Kippe posted 'Btw, it's possible to sync Twitter replies to Known without using backlinks after all: https://updates.kip.pe/2015/theres-a-new-paleo-restau...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery (https://updates.kip.pe/2015/btw-its-possible-to-sync-twitter-replies-to-known-without)
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raucao petermolnar: is what working?
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raucao i'm pretty sure fkooman and i used valid webmentions
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raucao he was implementing them in phubble during iwc
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petermolnar when you receive a webmention, that is from a url; what I wanted to ask if you can actually load the url in a browser
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petermolnar without issues
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ben_thatmustbeme feel free to send me a webmention and I can check its working here too
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raucao ben_thatmustbeme: sending worked
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raucao receiving didn't
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i mean was it on petermolnar side or yours?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm
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raucao if anyone wants to help me test, send one to https://updates.kip.pe/2015/ohai-from-known or any other post on that site
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raucao petermolnar: yes, we sent them manually with curl
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raucao using valid urls for source
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raucao known responded with 202 (accepted)
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raucao it did complain when something was invalid
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ben_thatmustbeme https://updates.kip.pe/2015/ohai-from-known
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ben_thatmustbeme worked fine
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raucao lol
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raucao ben_thatmustbeme: thanks :)
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raucao i'll tell fkooman that his entries are broken then
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raucao it looked all fine to us during the camp
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raucao replied to it, but that doesn't show (yet?)
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, its fkooman's send that didn't go through?
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raucao ben_thatmustbeme: yes
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raucao a variety of sends
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raucao https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/phubble/
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ben_thatmustbeme it worked
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raucao \o/
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't update right away, i have a 5 minute cron job to do it
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ben_thatmustbeme prevent any flooding
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raucao ah :) was wondering
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ben_thatmustbeme raucao: you talking about this one ? https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/phubble/a9e251e31b43793f38195d4ba055b584
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ben_thatmustbeme woah... there are some really weird things going on there
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to trace it all
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ben_thatmustbeme i think the main problem is just fkooman's markup
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ben_thatmustbeme that post doesn't have an in-reply-to link, so it would only come across as a mention, not a reply. It also lists you as the author instead of him
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, i see, its trying to make it a message board
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raucao i was the author
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raucao yes
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raucao ah, the in-reply-to would be helpful
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raucao so known doesn't show pure mentions?
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raucao just actual text replies?
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raucao that might be it
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GWG petermolnar: What is still missing in Wordpress for Indieweb in your opinion?
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell fkooman on logging in to phubble received .... "me" (https://ben.thatmustbe.me) different from expected "me" (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar GWG let me think it through
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GWG petermolnar: I am rewriting my plugins and looking for enhancements
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG /person-tag ?
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petermolnar I don't know if we have a plugin that adds additional social network(ish) data to the user profile + the option to auto-add them to the wp_footer() hidden or not for rel=me links
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GWG petermolnar: It is a feature in Syndication Links
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GWG Under development
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petermolnar ::thumbsup::
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petermolnar question: what is the indieweb opinion on oembed? I guess it's mostly redundant in case of a proper mf2 setup
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GWG Using the same design as the syndication links. A combination of custom fields and a list of unsupported urls.
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@C_SecurityNews RT @_WPScan_: Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) - https://wpvulndb.com/vulnerabilities/7982 (twitter.com/_/status/598484092234129408)
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GWG Lesson to me. Always bump version numbers
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GWG I'd better add a point release before they find Syndication Links
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GWG Again, fixed it last week
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GWG Sorry, the retweets annoy me
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk Why doesn't Loqi fetch content of indieweb posts... he fetches twitter. Feature request.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell kylewm can woodwind not require http(s):// on subscribe url entry?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme what do you mean by fetching content from indieweb posts? that's mean Loqi should become the next realtime google blog indexer
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Loqi woot!
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petermolnar s/that's mean/that means/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme what do you mean by fetching content from indieweb posts? that means Loqi should become the next realtime google blog indexer
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petermolnar ah, I was expecting another woot from Loqi after the sed :)
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ben_thatmustbeme no, i mean when posting a link in the chat
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/5/12/1/
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ben_thatmustbeme does nothing
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petermolnar ah
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ben_thatmustbeme but https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/597184745747849216
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@dissolve333 Thanks @Tassos_Company my wife's tomato allergy isn't stopping us anymore. We just… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/5/9/2/) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/597184745747849216/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/597184745747849216)
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petermolnar that sounds doable
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@DevManiacs RT @VulnsWp: Indieweb Post Kinds <= 1.3.1 - DOM Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/598489772080930816)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk and by that i mean when a link is posted in the chat
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar by the way, I'm still trying to come up with some kind of indie-explorer; like a search engine that can do thematic suggestions of indieweb posts; I believe this is the one really big thing we're missing
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snarfed petermolnar: interesting! personally i can think of a number of other missing parts, e.g. social graph, but agreed, recommendation engine would be fun too
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petermolnar what I could think about is:
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rhiaro Better social graph and querying would be great
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petermolnar to have an endpoint which is either pubsub or webmention endpoint, receiving mentions of things that should go into the recommendation engine
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petermolnar or to have an endpoint where you can push a registration signal and let the endpoint pull updates from rss or similar
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petermolnar the problem with that is that it's centralized
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petermolnar and I have no idea how to decentralize it
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petermolnar rhiaro social graph + query, indeed a good idea
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snarfed agreed re decentralized is hard
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petermolnar but somehow we need to figure out what to involve
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snarfed we've already done many (most?) of the easy-to-decentralize bits
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petermolnar also, spam would become and issue pretty fast, I'm quite sure about that
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snarfed posts, replies etc, micropub posse/backfeed, even readers (all easy-ish to decentralize)
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snarfed social graph, search engine, etc are all harder
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snarfed also petermolnar: centralized isn't necessarily a bad thing for services
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snarfed especially ones that are nice-to-have but your site and storing data doesn't depend on them
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petermolnar fair enough
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rhiaro Centralized services are fine so long as you can move between options easily
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snarfed readers, post uis, posse and backfeed services (e.g. bridgy) are all examples
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rhiaro They have to keep you with good service, not by locking you in
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed for indieweb services though, the common case isn't potential lock-in but still not quite enough competition/diversity/alternatives
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snarfed we're getting there though
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rhiaro Yeah, it's early days
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snarfed (for example, i'd love to see another backfeed service that competes w/bridgy!)
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rhiaro I feel pretty locked into teacup ;)
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snarfed i know how you could solve that :P
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rhiaro Uuggghhhh I don't wanna build clients
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snarfed hah i feel the same way about CMSes
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snarfed (and clients)
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rhiaro I'm sure relying on aaronpk for all my indieweb needs is totally fine
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snarfed not a big problem though. you know you *could* write your own. teacup etc don't store your data and make it hard to get out
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rhiaro Quite
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snarfed which is a (the?) primary vector for lock-in
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petermolnar what is teacup?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "teacup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=teacup&summary=prompted+by+petermolnar+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-13%2Fline%2F1431527262708
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rhiaro Huh
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snarfed teacup is https://teacup.p3k.io/
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loqi.me created /teacup (+59) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431527262708 and dfn added by snarfed" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar I just realized that the indie-explorer I thought of would more or less be a free fork of superfeedr with suggestions on trackers
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Loqi slack/snarfed: superfeedr++
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Loqi [mention] http://lancey.space linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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LanceyWork hooray, i received a webmention
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LanceyWork now to parse them correctly
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tantek does anyone else have other examples of clusters of likes of photos that they like? So far I think IG does the best job: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Instagram_followings_activity (note the layout - not the specific "followings" semantic)
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tantek And as a way of handling varying aspect ratios - I'm thinking of setting the height to a fixed em value (like 3-4ems?) and letting the width be proportional, figuring I'm unlikely to like a photo that's too wide to fit at those proportions.
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tantek context: this is building upon http://tantek.com/2015/133/f1 and how it looks at the top of my home page right now (though it's only one photo, not multiple, not yet anyway ;) )
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tantek (as usual, any display/presentation feedback/criticism is welcome!)
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tantek.com moved /teacup to /Teacup "cap"
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tantek.com edited /Teacup (+166) "expand dfn, see also" (view diff)
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snarfed tantek: looks great!
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snarfed fb's activity log also has decent presentation for liking an album w/multiple pictures
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snarfed technically different, since it's not actually collapsing multiple likes, but the presentation itself is good
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snarfed i'll add a screenshot
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rhiaro tantek: If I repost your like, I guess that means I like it too?
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tantek snarfed - definitely upload a screenshot! more existing design examples the better!
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tantek rhiaro: that's a good question!
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rhiaro http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/05/1431536936
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tantek technically I don't think it says you like it but rather
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tantek it's you saying, hey look, tantek liked this photo
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rhiaro yeah
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tantek rhiaro: note that photos posts nearly everywhere have captions/titles/names - and you're still *liking* the photo on those silos / sites
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tantek trying to distinguish liking the post vs. liking the image is a waste of time
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tantek the UI convention is that like a photo post means you like the photo
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tantek so that's all that matters
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rhiaro in that case I've probably liked far too many photos of awful british politicians
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rhiaro the captions are what make it likeable
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rhiaro though sometimes the captions are on the image itself, so that's fine
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tantek rhiaro: your repost is odd - looks like you're picking up the alt from the image?
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rhiaro I think it gets the p-name?
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rhiaro I'll check in a sec
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tantek could be my markup isn't rich enough to pick up the whole thing
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tantek hmmmm maybe I need to be using an e-name!
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rhiaro tantek: it looks like I get content actually
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KevinMarks Re grids of photos, I think g+ does it the way you say, and pinterest the other way round (fixed width in columns, varying height)
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rhiaro I should probably put a h-cite around it
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Loqi +1
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tantek "u-repost-of h-cite"
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tantek KevinMarks - screenshots?
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rhiaro so h-cite on the url, not the content?
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KevinMarks The trick is not getting a ragged right
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tantek right
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tantek is it?
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tantek seems like lots of different trade-offs to consider, a ragged right being just one of them
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rhiaro why isn't h-cite on the content?
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tantek should be around the content yes
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rhiaro oh
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rhiaro yeah
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rhiaro the url with u-repost-of is separate in my laout
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rhiaro s/laout/layout
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: the url with u-repost-of is separate in my layout
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rhiaro does it matter if author h-card is in or out of h-cite?
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rhiaro I still haven't got my head around when nesting is/n't significant in mf
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rhiaro maybe I should write a parser
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KevinMarks Instagram in pinterest style http://blazing-mountain-4536.herokuapp.com/tag/indieweb
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tantek oh interesting - sure - keep the h-cite separate then
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tantek depends what you want the author to apply to :P
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tantek rhiaro: really?
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tantek properties are inside an object - it's pretty much that simple
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tantek KevinMarks: can you upload your screenshots to the wiki?
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tantek KevinMarks: is this for generic grid image display? or likes of multiple images in particular?
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KevinMarks I'll do that on desktop, on phone now and that is just too much faffing
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tantek s/faffing/phaffing
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rhiaro so if the h-card was outside, it would imply it was the author of the page?
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tantek neither
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KevinMarks Generic grid, not sure about like grid
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tantek if the p-author was outside, it would mean it was the p-author of whatever was the containing h-* object
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rhiaro is struggling with two threads of conversation too, maybe I'm not cut out for this 'functioning in society' thing
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tantek "p-author h-card" just means this p-author property is also an embedded h-card object itself
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rhiaro draws a graph, things become clearer
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tantek lol it really is just a tree
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rhiaro I should probably go through all my templates once more, then get someone to audit my mf markup
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Loqi yea!
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rhiaro well volutneered loqi
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Loqi dude
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Vendan you asked for that one, loqi. :D
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook like photo album.png]]""
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tantek rhiaro: if you want to "draw" something, just look at the JSON - that basically gives you a tree
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Vendan there are multiple mf2 parsers live on the interwebs that you can pass it through
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snarfed.org edited /like (+281) "/* FB likes in allactivity */ photo album screenshot" (view diff)
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GWG killerog: Did you get my response about Syndication Links?
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KevinMarks_ So something between what the json dumps do and what indiewebify.me does?
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KevinMarks_ I could put the json through xoxo maybe
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tantek KevinMarks: maybe JSON -> SVG pretty diagram?
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@dkreuz @denkspuren Geht mir ähnlich. Ich hoffe, mit meiner Umstellung aufs #indieweb denke ich länger als 140 Zeichen ;) (twitter.com/_/status/598555517980651523)
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rhiaro tantek: btw I get the 'value' of your content rather than the html, which is just "likes [image alt text]"
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tantek rhiaro: when you repost something usually you want "the whole thing" whatever that means
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tantek rather than just the minimal plain text value
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rhiaro yeah but I'm not doing anything to make the html safe at the moment, this is the fallback
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rhiaro just wanted to display *something*
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rhiaro I don't store the post content myself yet either
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rhiaro I'll deal with this if I suddenly start reposting a lot of things
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rhiaro btw tantek did you get a webmention for that repost?
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rhiaro oh I can check
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tantek it's likely sitting in webmention.io :)
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rhiaro yeah it's there
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tantek cool!
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rhiaro except it's a like because I accidentally liked then changed to a repost and didn't send a new mention
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tantek well you can fix that ;)
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tantek you liked my like? lol
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rhiaro liking likes should definitely be a thing
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rhiaro "I don't necessarily like that, but I like that you liked that"
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tantek more than two levels deep and it gets a bit abstract
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tantek I could see it go back/forth. you liked my post? I liked your like of my post!
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rhiaro yuuup made a 'social network' basically based on this a few years ago
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LanceyWork can we repost a like of a like of a reply to a post that mentions a like?
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tantek if you can find one ;)
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rhiaro It'll happen.
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killerog GWG: yup saw the comment, just didn´t get around to test it yet.
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killerog I´d better do it tonight or I´ll break my 2 days streak record on github ;)
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@kevinmarks @neilhimself post on your own site first, then syndicate elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/598569016144232449)
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@CoderDojoVA RT @NZN: Mozilla #vrm #webmaker #indieweb Winners https://commonspace.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/participationplan/#comment-16409 Dominate the web..hierarchy or heterarchy..admin &win.. #employee… (twitter.com/_/status/598569115108814849)
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tantek thanks KevinMarks for pointing a professional writer at our wiki. now we have to clean up our writing even more. :P
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@kevinmarks @paulmcclean @krinndnz assuming that only browsers will read the page is problematic. For accessibility, for search engines, for webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/598571638599225344)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/598568950448803840
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@krinndnz If your website displays _stone cold nothing_ when it can't run JS, you are a bad person and you should feel bad. You made something bad. (twitter.com/_/status/598568950448803840)
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KevinMarks I love the idea of Gaimanesque tech specs
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tantek wow. what no js;dr mention? ;)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+22) "rewrite dfn and summary for clarity" (view diff)
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tantek please review KevinMarks since I just changed the page you linked to: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?diff=19252&oldid=17261&rcid=19256
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tantek TBH there was a lot of SMH at some of the framing/terms. "Syndication Model" [caps in original] - really?
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tantek otherstuff was better sentence clustering / ordering
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tantek additional reviews (for readability) welcome!
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KevinMarks Was just reading. Quotes around IndieWeb unnecessary. Also a bit italic happy
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tantek hah right - that was before we were grown up enough to remove the self-deprecating scare quotes
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Vendan hrm, question, is there some downside to running your own PuSH hub?
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tantek good points KevinMarks
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tantek fixing
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tantek Vendan good FAQ - perhaps add to the PuSH page?
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Vendan so, is that a "you don't know a downside"?
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (-47) "unquote indieweb, rm ems - clear enough from the writing" (view diff)
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Vendan cause, imho, using a central hub isn't the greatest idea...
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tantek BTW - since we're editing the POSSE page - anyone here who POSSEs not listed in the examples? Add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#IndieWeb_Examples
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aaronpk As long as there are more than one PuSH hubs there is no such thing as a "central hub"
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 6 hours ago: Why doesn't Loqi fetch content of indieweb posts... he fetches twitter. Feature request. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431525416949
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 5 hours, 49 minutes ago: and by that i mean when a link is posted in the chat http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431526073168
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: that's been on my todo list for quite some time lol
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tantek like specifically fetch the first h-entry?
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aaronpk Yeah
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aaronpk Probably not on an h-feed page tho
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tantek or rather this is a variant of the link-preview problem
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aaronpk Yes
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tantek including, what kind of page is this?
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Vendan ugh, getting tired of crappy internet
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tantek Vendan, me too
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tantek something is going on
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tantek internet slow / unreliable, time to make lunch
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Vendan on my end, it's TWC is a shitty provider
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Vendan they were overcharging us for a while, cause we upgraded to a higher speed plan, but they didn't send us the new modem, so we were still getting the old speed.
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Vendan then we got the new modem, and it's a PoS that has just been going up and down
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tantek what is TWC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TWC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=TWC&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-13%2Fline%2F1431547266577
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Vendan lol
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Vendan Time Warner Cable
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tantek TWC is [[Time Warner Cable]]
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loqi.me created /TWC (+32) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431547266577 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Vendan psuedo-monopolistic ISP that services large portion of the US
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tantek What is Time Warner Cable?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Time Warner Cable" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Time+Warner+Cable&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-13%2Fline%2F1431547325564
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tantek there you go Vendan, have at it
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Vendan Time Warner Cable is a psuedo-monopolistic ISP that services large portion of the USA.
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loqi.me created /Time_Warner_Cable (+113) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431547325564 and dfn added by Vendan" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Vendan and if it wasn't for my znc, you would have seen my bounce in and out twice in the last 5 minutes thanks to them
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Vendan fortunately, their router is now set into bridge mode so I don't have to deal with it anymore. And really, what company still puts out hardware with "password" as the admin password?
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Vendan is it really that hard to generate a password, print it on a label and tape it to the dang thing?
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kylewm ha, the Comcast router I got a couple weeks ago also had admin/password as the login
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Loqi kylewm: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 6 hours, 15 minutes ago: can woodwind not require http(s):// on subscribe url entry? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431525828963
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kylewm yay, monopolies
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Loqi :D
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killerog I was editing my notes from @sara_ann_marie´s btconf talk this afternoon, and remembered she said ALA is looking for new writers. So I thought: did anybody suggest/write a post about indieweb on there already?
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tantek killerog: ALA badly needs more practical articles
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tantek as they've run out of authors to write practical design / dev articles - (some of ) their (ALA) articles have become increasingly out of touch.
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killerog true, I´ve not been there for a long time anymore either, but any audience is an audience. And we´re very practical ;)
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tantek I'd say go for it - you have plenty of folks here who would be happy to proofread
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killerog ok, will give it a try.
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kylewm ALA is A List Apart?
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killerog yup
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killerog At least that was where I was talking about, maybe tantek thought about something else :)
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tantek same same
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kylewm.com edited /User:Kylewm.com (+132) "/* Itches */ write up adding IndieWeb features to a flask microblog" (view diff)
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@donmowry Added rel=“me” microformat to my website. Forgot about it until reading about https://indieauth.com/ on an @adactio 100 words post. (twitter.com/_/status/598586723761696768)
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tantek what is a 100 words post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "100 words post" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=100+words+post&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-05-13%2Fline%2F1431549250947
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tantek KevinMarks do you know about this?
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kylewm know that adactio has been posting one post ~100 words in length everyday?
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tantek this maybe? http://www.incomepress.com/reader-challenge-write-100-words/
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tantek no that's old
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tantek "You have from now until December 31, 2012 New Year’s Eve"
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kylewm https://adactio.com/journal/8577
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tantek lololol: "no need for a whole project, or installers, or dockering the node to yeoman the gulp, or whatever it is the cool kids do these days"
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tantek https://adactio.com/journal/8922
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tantek.com edited /2015/Germany (+119) "add Jeremy Keith's post" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/Germany (+1) "/* Blog Posts */ :" (view diff)
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kylewm google doesn't find any results for "dockering the node to yeoman the gulp"
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kylewm bad google
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tantek I wonder if adactio is using PuSH
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kylewm he is not
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tantek hmm - perhaps we should add h-feed + PuSH v0.4 to /IndieMark
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tantek in category syndication
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#syndication
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tantek kylewm: are you publishing an h-feed with PuSHv0.4 notifications?
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kylewm tantek: yes
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tantek hmm the PuSH page is a bit of a transition mess
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tantek since everything assumed 0.3 for so long
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@adactio @donmowry Have you tried logging in to https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin with your domain? It’s pretty nifty. (twitter.com/_/status/598593862827900928)
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killerog https://adactio.com/journal/8871
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tantek.com edited /PubSubHubbub (+271) "clean up a bit, start explicitly specifying / preferring PuSH 0.4" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /PubSubHubbub (-2) "/* Why */ note common PuSH usage - fetch" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk how long has your site been sending PuSH 0.4 notifications?
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tantek !tell bret any plans to support PuSH 0.4 on your h-feed? I assume this means you're only supporting PuSH 0.3 on your Atom feed currently: https://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub#Bret_Comnes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell GWG do you support PuSH 0.3 on your Atom feed, or PuSH 0.4 on your h-feed, or both? https://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub#David_Shanske
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Vendan hrm, considering building a library for golang that's just combined pubsubhubbub publisher and hub, so clients can subscribe and I just push updates to them
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kylewm tantek: note that Known supports PuSH 0.4 too, so that's a whole lot of adoption
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kylewm as of Known 0.7.8
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tantek !tell pfefferle Does your site publish/notify PuSH 0.4? Sounds like it since you said you're using the PubSubHubbub Plugin, and the description says it "supports PubSubHubbub v0.4". https://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub#Matthias_Pfefferle Since when has that plugin supported v0.4?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek kylewm: wow
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tantek kylewm: do you know when Known 0.7.8 was released?
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kylewm that's not quite fair, Known supported 0.4 at times in the past, but it was a little broken and fixed in 0.7.8 (which released May 4th)
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tantek ok we can reliably conservatively say at least since May 4th then
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tantek.com edited /PubSubHubbub (+560) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add benwerd, 1000s of Known Sites" (view diff)
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tantek Based on at least 6-7 indieweb community members supporting PuSH 0.4, and possibly 1000s more if you include Withknown and Known installs, I think it's appropriate to add PuSH 0.4 to /IndieMark#syndication
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tantek (of course now I'm distracted reading benwerd's excellent thoughtful writing)
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benwerd tantek: that's kind :) I've been slow lately but have a very long post in the works
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benwerd I on the other hand am distracted reading and raging about Facebook's new "friends" graph API behavior, months after kylewm and snarfed
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tantek completely agree with http://werd.io/2015/publish-on-your-own-site-reflect-inwardly
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kylewm gives benwerd a sympathetic nod
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benwerd and taggable_friends sucks!
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benwerd gives kylewm a sympathetic ragegrrr
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KevinMarks Ben, did you see the new quill editor and how it works with known?
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benwerd I did not
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benwerd going to try it
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KevinMarks https://quill.p3k.io/editor
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KevinMarks Images posted via data urls
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/missing-ui-from-new-quill
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benwerd My verdict on aaronpk's new editor: http://werd.io/2015/oh-hello
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk the image thing was kind of a magic happy coincidence
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benwerd and Ben did resolve once more to fix the syndication thing.
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benwerd But, sadly, after he finished building his terrible thing involving Facebook's messed-up friends API call.
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks is the src="data" in base64 encoding standardized? I was wondering if on recieving a micropub request like that I could decode the image and save it to the filesystem and serve as actual image?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^
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KevinMarks__ data URLs are, yes
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KevinMarks__ https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2397.txt
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KartikPrabhu also why is there a space as in "data:%20image/png " in the src ?
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KartikPrabhu I thought the format was "data:image/png" ?
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KevinMarks__ hm, that may be a bug
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KartikPrabhu looking at KevinMarks__ post http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/missing-ui-from-new-quill
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KevinMarks__ aaron?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: context for space-bug: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13#t1431554443611
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KevinMarks__ looks like it put a space in here too: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2015/05/how-quills-editor-looks.html
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KartikPrabhu yeah, that might be an editor bug. would be good to conform to usual ways of doing data encoded images
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KevinMarks__ wonder if that's why wp didn't like it, or just wp being very fussy about img in general
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kylewm benwerd: just checking that you have seen http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#Mention_Tagging ... that is from before the recent API changes, but it was very difficult to tag people even with taggable_friends
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benwerd kylewm: so frustrating. I'm building an autocomplete field with a user's friends - and that isn't available anymore. And most people, by observation, seem to have the taggable_friends permission disabled.
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kylewm argh
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KartikPrabhu gets the eerie feeling that FB is building towards an Internet.org lock in
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: don't be silly, you are not locked in as long as you have the jail_break permission scope, which you can very easily get if you just write up your usecase and submit it to them with screenshots and steps to reproduce
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@kevinmarks “So what happens when Facebook goes away?” Notes on the Surrender at Menlo Park http://www.theawl.com/2015/05/what-could-go-wrong #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/598612623031042048)
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aaronpk huh, no idea
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KartikPrabhu yes! and I'm sure they will be nice and say "oh here you go take this scope doodad"
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aaronpk it's this plugin that's doing the data uri thing https://github.com/orthes/medium-editor-insert-plugin
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aaronpk sure looks like it's not adding a space
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: where in the source is it converting to base64? can't find it
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@jhamby RT @kevinmarks: “So what happens when Facebook goes away?” Notes on the Surrender at Menlo Park http://www.theawl.com/2015/05/what-could-go-wrong #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/598614028701683712)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: interesting the editor UI itself does not add the space to the preview!
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KartikPrabhu which is correct as per this line in the code: https://github.com/orthes/medium-editor-insert-plugin/blob/master/src/js/images.js#L293
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aaronpk oh funny, maybe it's my php code somehow
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: i think the space is being added when the data is being sent somehow. is your editor code open?
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aaronpk oh oops i found it
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KartikPrabhu neat! :)
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aaronpk not sure how that happened
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KartikPrabhu one should test if that fix works :P
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aaronpk fixed :)
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/commit/95c8b73585eb397a31c5a658b2fefe2208bef522
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KartikPrabhu oh! haha... stray spaces
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@WolfestarDesign Interesting thoughts on Facebook's latest land-grab against the open internet: http://www.theawl.com/2015/05/what-could-go-wrong #POSSE #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/598621955370029056)
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@s_clearion RT @kevinmarks: “So what happens when Facebook goes away?” Notes on the Surrender at Menlo Park http://www.theawl.com/2015/05/what-could-go-wrong #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/598622482032013312)
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KevinMarks_ should I retry with wordpress?
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@nitinthewiz Discovered #IndieWeb, #Quill, #p3k etc and tried installing on WP. Too many plugins, too much work. Not my cuppa tea, at least for now. (twitter.com/_/status/598637506276491264)
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kylewm yeah installing Quill on Wordpress would be tricky
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KevinMarks_ but quill+feverdream is nice