#indiewebcamp 2015-05-01

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@OpDeathEatersUS RT @HongPong: even youtube links are getting kicked off of facebook, it's spilled outta control. this is why you need #indiewebcamp design … (twitter.com/_/status/593928186045435904)
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kylewm hmm, seen three people complaining about links being overly aggressively blocked on facebook today
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aaronpk i didn't even realize facebook was blocking links, i thought that was just twitter
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aaronpk wow, another one to add to /site-deaths http://grooveshark.com/ since they hosted user playlists as was apparent on the hackernews thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9468476
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KevinMarks__ I had a mashable.com article blocked too
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@AaronGustafson Added two new Jekyll tools to Github today: Adaptive Images - https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-adaptive-image Webmention.io Supplements - https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-webmention_io-supplements (twitter.com/_/status/593970643009404928)
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@kayladnls RT @AaronGustafson: Added two new Jekyll tools to Github today: Adaptive Images - https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-adaptive-image Webmention.io Supplements - htt… (twitter.com/_/status/593970708910313472)
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KartikPrabhu interesting. FB now logs you out of third party chat clients when you log out of their website
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KartikPrabhu anecdotal from 5 times repeat occurence on Pidgin
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Their support of XMPP ended April 30, 2015. I'm imagining it will be turning off
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GWG https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat
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KartikPrabhu oh boy there goes my pidgin setup. first google now FB
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GWG Well, Google isn't deprecating XMPP...so far They just aren't maintaining it.
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KevinMarks_ Indie readers and to do lists http://app.willsomeone.com/showask?askid=ag5zfndpbGwtc29tZW9uZXIkCxIHQXNrbGlzdCIHc29tZW9uZQwLEgNBc2sYgICAgODazQsM&addme=1
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KevinMarks_ I need to add webmention support next I suppose
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KevinMarks__ What is middleman?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "middleman" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=middleman&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks__+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-30%2Fline%2F1430462583027
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@kevinmarks @adriarichards @feministy @harper right - http://www.kevinmarks.com/ is static, (though it shows webmentions via a javascript embed) (twitter.com/_/status/594029550415130624)
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KevinMarks__ Middleman is https://middlemanapp.com/ a static site generator.
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loqi.me created /Middleman (+90) "prompted by KevinMarks__ https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-30/line/1430462583027 and dfn added by KevinMarks__" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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@javascriptd RT @kevinmarks: @adriarichards @feministy @harper right - http://www.kevinmarks.com/ is static, (though it shows webmentions via a javascript e… (twitter.com/_/status/594030979196461056)
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@helloanselm RT @AaronGustafson: Added two new Jekyll tools to Github today: Adaptive Images - https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-adaptive-image Webmention.io Supplements - htt… (twitter.com/_/status/594031044829040640)
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@IgnaciodeNuevo RT @AaronGustafson: Added two new Jekyll tools to Github today: Adaptive Images - https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-adaptive-image Webmention.io Supplements - htt… (twitter.com/_/status/594033929058942976)
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@elfpavlik @heluecht will I see you and other @FriendicaNews folks during #IndieWeb Camp in Düsseldorf https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany :) (twitter.com/_/status/594069394784972800)
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Loqi [bridgy] Michael Vogel replied '@elfpavlik It collides with my job :-( But I ask if anyone else has time.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (https://twitter.com/heluecht/status/594072615729377280)
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@breitband Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://breitband.deutschlandradiokultur.de/brb150502/ (twitter.com/_/status/594086435591958529)
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@ciao_miau RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594086536121085952)
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@pfefferle IndieWeb im @DKultur/@breitband http://notizblog.org/t/3ov (twitter.com/_/status/594089673145745408)
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@BBJournalismus NotizBlog | IndieWeb im @DKultur/@breitband http:// (twitter.com/_/status/594091466013671424)
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@pfefferle RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594093977193881600)
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@DKultur RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594094396934619136)
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@diplix das freut mich sehr http://notizblog.org/2015/05/01/indieweb-im-deutschlandradio/ und dann werde ich morgen mal radio hören http://breitband.deutschlandradiokultur.de/brb150502/ http://known.schwenzel.de/2015/das-freut-mich-sehr-20150501indieweb-im-deutschlandradio-und-dann-werde-ich-morgen (twitter.com/_/status/594094608738574336)
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@GoldeCarlsson RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594096536776237056)
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@chgrasse RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594096745140854784)
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@PiratenBuecher RT @diplix: das freut mich sehr http://notizblog.org/2015/05/01/indieweb-im-deutschlandradio/ und dann werde ich morgen mal radio hören http://breitband.deutschlandradiokultur.de/brb150502/ http://t.co/Ym6QisF… (twitter.com/_/status/594097973690245120)
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@elfpavlik @slvrbckt could you please review http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub and compare to @sockethub before #IWC? also if possible http://w3c-social.github.io/activitypump/ (twitter.com/_/status/594101362683674624)
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@VeraLi RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594102335485452289)
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@openwebpodcast RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594106345894387713)
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@openwebpodcast RT @pfefferle: IndieWeb im @DKultur/@breitband http://notizblog.org/t/3ov (twitter.com/_/status/594106366542905344)
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@mikroformate RT @pfefferle: IndieWeb im @DKultur/@breitband http://notizblog.org/t/3ov (twitter.com/_/status/594106522029924352)
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@monoxyd RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594107686918168576)
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@pfefferle RT @diplix: das freut mich sehr http://notizblog.org/2015/05/01/indieweb-im-deutschlandradio/ und dann werde ich morgen mal radio hören http://breitband.deutschlandradiokultur.de/brb150502/ http://t.co/Ym6QisF… (twitter.com/_/status/594107946742743041)
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@DRadioLauscher RT @breitband: Oh! Schon wieder Ãœberwachung! Und IndieWeb und alte Kisten. Unsere Breitband-Themen morgen ab 13:05 Uhr im @DKultur: http://… (twitter.com/_/status/594112059295563776)
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@ninja_geek1 Ãœberwachungsschleifen, IndieWeb und alte Kisten http://breitband.deutschlandradiokultur.de/brb150502/ #sicherheit (twitter.com/_/status/594113872639991808)
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@imconair Ãœberwachungsschleifen, IndieWeb und alte Kisten http://rss-newsfeed.india-meets-classic.net/2015/05/01/uberwachungsschleifen-indieweb-und-alte-kisten/ (twitter.com/_/status/594115699301220352)
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GWG Good morning
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@oevl 1-2-3 probando 1-2-3 probando desde Known https://github.com/idno #indieweb http://vasquezlima.com/2015/1-2-3-probando-1-2-3-probando-desde-known-idno-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/594136472233586689)
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zachdonovan GWG: good morning!
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GWG zachdonovan: Morning.
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GWG Trying to figure out if I should store the raw html for any url I'm responding to.
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zachdonovan what's the harm?
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GWG zachdonovan: Bloat?
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voxpelli GWG: I'm storing the raw parsed microformats data for all mentions I import to my webmention endpoint
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voxpelli makes it easy to adapt how I use the microformats data, but I still don't have to store the full pages
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kylewm GWG: storage is cheap
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zachdonovan agree with kylewm
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GWG Not every site has microformats. The majority of sites I'm bookmarking don't. For example, newspaper articles.
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zachdonovan storage is cheap, and if you later decide you want to parse your data a different way, a lossless solution makes it much easier.
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petermolnar if you're concerned on storage space, use compressed Barracuda raw format for mysql ( assuming you're still on wordpress )
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petermolnar see http://www.percona.com/blog/2012/05/30/data-compression-in-innodb-for-text-and-blob-fields/
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petermolnar store it as a comment meta
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petermolnar post meta
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GWG I'm just doing the math. If I keep storing things, it will eventually slow down the database. However, if I think about it now...
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petermolnar why would it slow the db? if the data is not really used, just sitting in there, it will not really effect it
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GWG petermolnar: I just think about the 37,000+ bookmarks I have in Pinboard I want to 'own' someday.
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petermolnar shouldn't be an issue, I've seen mysql databases with 500million rows :)
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GWG petermolnar: Yes. I'd just have to up my Linode budget
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petermolnar I think you're overestimating what 40k webpages would take in compressed space
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GWG petermolnar: I realize I am. I just hate it when decisions I make now come back to bite me later.
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petermolnar if you're only saving the html - no css, no js, no images -, let's say each take up to 30k ( highly overestimated imho ), that's 1.2GB raw text; compressed that should not be more than 300-400MB
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GWG petermolnar: I do have a question you might be able to answer.
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GWG I have a concern about my use of the Post Kinds plugin.
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GWG I'm worried I'm tying many things in to requiring a single taxonomy.
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petermolnar you may have to tell me more about this
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GWG Post Kinds is the plugin I wrote to add the types of Indieweb posts to WordPress by creating a custom taxonomy.
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GWG So, the newer stuff I'm working on ends up having a dependency on that taxonomy.
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petermolnar there's nothing wrong with that I think
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petermolnar I've written plugins dependent on Keyring
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GWG petermolnar: I worry about excluding people who want a different feature but not the Post Kinds.
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GWG My solution at the moment is to have a two-tiered system. There will be basic functionality without it, but more advance functionality with it
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petermolnar what would the other plugin do, would it make sense without the Post Kinds plugin at all?
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GWG Right now, I'm working on a Web Actions plugin which sort of also overlaps with the sort of thing WordPress's built-in Press This does.
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GWG So it stores the data in the same meta fields Post Kinds uses.
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petermolnar in that case, the question is valid, webactions do differ from post kinds
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petermolnar but I don't know the answer; if you believe they should make sense together, make them dependent
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petermolnar otherwise don't
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GWG petermolnar: But WordPress, without Post Kinds, has no concept of a 'like' or a 'reply', therefore, an action handler doesn't know how to action.
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GWG My solution was, if Post Kinds isn't there, to fall back on a rudimentary display. So, one enhances the other, but it isn't a dependency.
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petermolnar then you've answered your question
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GWG petermolnar: Yes, but talking it out helps me with my process.
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fkooman aaronpk, i implemented the introspection endpoint: https://indiecert.net/faq#micropub
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aaronpk fkooman: nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, i love that i can use indiewebcat as a vouch now
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ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcat.com/notes/2015/03/22/1/
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aaronpk lol
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: she has from the beginning! (i remember because tantek made a joke about cats are picky who they associate with)
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aaronpk kylewm: what's going on here? http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/woodwind-20150501-092743.png
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-05-01/line/1430497736034
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KartikPrabhu http://morning.computer/2015/05/why-twitter-will-become-inhuman/
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kylewm aaronpk: not sure :(
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snarfed the fb api v2.0 apocalypse has begun. https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2015/04/28/april-30-migration/
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snarfed comments are hilarious. "We want the old facebook back when farmville only had one farm. before they started adding all those crazy other farms. after the English farm, that was enough."
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snarfed fwiw it looks like this broke bridgy backfeed for some fb accounts, starting about 24h ago, even though bridgy fully uses the v2.2 api. sigh. migrations R hard.
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GWG snarfed: It always seems like an arms race.
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kylewm.com edited /Foundation (+121) "add wiki redesign to IndieWeb Examples" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /hubot (+99) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by rhiaro" (view diff)
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