#indiewebcamp 2015-04-26

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tantek.com edited /ActivityStreams (-1) "/* Tantek */ -*" (view diff)
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tantek darnit, FB seems to have removed all_activity
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tantek it just serves your profile back to you
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tantek should've taken more screenshots
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aaronpk no way!
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tantek now I'm starting to get paranoid like snarfed and kylewm
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aaronpk mine is still at https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/allactivity
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tantek I just see you profile page
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tantek s/you/your
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I just see your profile page
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tantek so either this is a bug
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aaronpk guess only i can see it
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tantek OR they are slowly rolling out the removal of it
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tantek and you got lucky with an older server
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aaronpk was it possible to see other peoples' pages?
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tantek yes
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tantek better grab screenshots from top, scroll, etc. be sure to get as many (implied) post types as possible
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tantek mine was here https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/all_activity
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aaronpk weird that it serves your profile page and doesn't redirect
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tantek right - that's a half-complete patch
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tantek.com edited /2015/Cambridge/Planning (+7) "TOC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/Cambridge (+100) "/* Participating */ To Do - please help with post camp to do" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa, the all activity page shows all my spotify listening history
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tantek this is what I mean!
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tantek need to screenshot all that before it disappears
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tantek it's all proof that all verbs are actually nouns
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aaronpk i'm taking a bunch of screenshots and posting them on... flickr :P
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tantek hah
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aaronpk the spotify listens dominate the feed for quite a while
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tantek imagine if that was all marked up with h-entry
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parzzix Any of you use IRC on windows? If so, what client do you use?
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acegiak morning, all
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tantek hey parzzix last time we checked - we recorded the answer to that here: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Windows
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tantek morning acegiak
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parzzix thanks tantek
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+32) "/* working on */ social_web_map" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+501) "/* Working On */ meme posts" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/sets/72157652169175972
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@joeld @schussman wahey, webmentions coming through loud and clear! (twitter.com/_/status/592128299524063234)
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tantek aaronpk++ awesome
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Loqi aaronpk has 784 karma
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+225) "Features / all activity, link, note only works for some users, link to screen shots" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme reads back logs
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ben_thatmustbeme testing ben_notify again
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+323) "/* improve like posts */ style differently than notes when in-stream" (view diff)
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GWG What did I miss?
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GWG reads up
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GWG Capturing Spotify histry
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GWG acegiak was here
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GWG Okay. Caught up
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acegiak I'm here
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GWG Oh, hi, acegiak.
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ben_thatmustbeme not a log to catch up on
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ben_thatmustbeme me constantly talking to myself, ben_notify
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ben_thatmustbeme IT WORKED!
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Hi to you too
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aaronpk ben_notify: nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme pull request coming soon
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aaronpk awesome
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ben_thatmustbeme should actually add it as an option thing you can turn on and off
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GWG acegiak: I do have a question for you.
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GWG I posted the screenshots of a note posting form yesterday. Would you have any ideas to improve it? I always think of you because of your use of the Post Kinds plugin.
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acegiak link me?
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GWG https://cdn1.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Screenshot-from-2015-04-24-162717.png
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GWG The simplest interface I could devise
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GWG https://cdn1.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Screenshot-from-2015-04-24-162710.png
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ben_thatmustbeme test ben_notify
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ben_thatmustbeme test ben_notify with notifications disabled
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ben_thatmustbeme mwuhahaha
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Loqi rofl
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/indiewebcamp-irc-logs/issues/6
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aaronpk !!
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aaronpk i can't wait to drop the websockets in favor of that nginx plugin
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ben_thatmustbeme I need to add this code still
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ben_thatmustbeme http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25352111/nodejs-einaros-ws-connection-timeout
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ben_thatmustbeme workaround for the dead connections hanging around
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, heading off to bed
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ben_thatmustbeme probably not sleep yet
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ben_thatmustbeme but bed
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GWG Sleep well, ben_thatmustbeme
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aaronpk_ waves
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aaronpk waves to aaronpk_
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KartikPrabhu waves too
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aaronpk hmm it isn't showing me the button
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aaronpk aaronpk_: i think i found the problem
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acegiak GWG: those screenshots look nice to me
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GWG acegiak: Any functionality suggestions?
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@benwerd Open question: how should platform developers be most fairly compensated for what they build? #indiewebcamp #domainofonesown (twitter.com/_/status/592157357498470400)
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acegiak Not that I can think of, man
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GWG acegiak: My goal is to get a complete web actions plugin out of it, with basic post UI
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ben_thatmustbeme Aaronpk, what was the problem?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I left a line note in your PR
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ben_thatmustbeme Ack. Yeah. My bad was Just doing that in cleanup at the end
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ben_thatmustbeme Like the notifications though?
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aaronpk yeah! that's awesome!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: snarfed: birdgy keeps resending Google+ likes for a second time. is this a bug?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: what's bridgy doing? Sending new likes twice or resending old likes?
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KartikPrabhu resending old ones
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KartikPrabhu I suspect that bridgy does not know that it has sent those (since G+ does not have URLs for them) and sends them again when it finds them in my G+ stream
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kylewm It may be that the format changed when snarfed changed it to not have an e-content, and so it send them as "updates"
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KartikPrabhu aah I see. Not to worry, I replace the old ones whenever a new one is resent
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@TanpaOshi48 #KCA #VoteJKT48ID selfpubstuff: Netherlands Church Converted to an Amazing Bookstore: A 15th century Dominican church is ... via IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/592287477345460224)
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@kid_OYO Everywhere...for everyone trying...#indie is the most challenging outcome you will ever try to achieve.By far, most rewarding too.#indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/592297213847539712)
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@pwcc @helenhousandi cans do the auto tweeting with the functions prefixed pwccindieweb_notes_ in https://github.com/peterwilsoncc/relaunched.peterwilson.cc/blob/master/content/plugins/pwcc-indieweb/pwcc-indieweb.php needs HMDs meta boxes. (twitter.com/_/status/592315234049593344)
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@dshanske @helenhousandi So, you want to publish links and syndicate them? Maybe pull the responses back? Hmm... http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/592337157840359424)
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rhiaro !tell aaronpk: re: the http/https stuff yesterday (last night?), as someone imminantly switching from http to https I second treating them as the same identifier. And also requiring https would have been a massive blocker for me earlier on; a warning and some friendly tips for getting started would be good though
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm rhiaro: there's some competition between the UX and security there, I agree it would have been bad to lose all my accounts when i switched to https, but now that i have switched, I don't want my accounts to be accessible via someone logging in with http://kylewm.com
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rhiaro kylewm: good point. Maybe accounts should be merged after the first https login
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rhiaro also, related question: do I need different certs for subdomains?
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GWG rhiaro: Wildcard addresses that.
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rhiaro GWG: wildcard is out of my price range
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GWG rhiaro: What is your price range?
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rhiaro GWG: < $25/year ideally
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rhiaro I was recommended namecheap, which does single domain for $8
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kylewm haven't tried it, but globalsign has free wildcard certificates for open source projects https://www.globalsign.com/en/ssl/ssl-open-source/
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kylewm rhiaro: yeah I like that idea, "welcome https://kylewm.com, you have previously logged in with http://kylewm.com, would you like to upgrade your existing account to https?"
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GWG rhiaro: startssl is free if you want something basic.
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kylewm free for non-wildcard
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rhiaro I looked at startssl initially but then their pay-to-revoke thing seemed like kind of a jerk way to do business. But maybe I'll use that while I'm finding my feet and spend money when I have more idea what I'm doing
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GWG rhiaro: If they give you the certificate for free, they have to charge for something.
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rhiaro oh turns out one of my domains (not my main one) came with a free ssl cert anyway
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rhiaro GWG: sure, I understand that, it seems like it would leave a lot of people unable/unwilling to pay and then left insecure
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GWG rhiaro: I am not necessarily defending them.
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GWG If you wait, the Let's Encrypt effort might change the landscape for non commercial entities
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snarfed has anyone using the twitter API to publish ever seen this error? {"errors":[{"code":32,"message":"Could not authenticate you."}]}
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snarfed we've been debugging it w/bridgy in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/389 , but no luck so far :(
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kylewm !tell aaronpk, cweiske do either of your hubs support multi-valued "hub.url" pings?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk what do you mean?
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Loqi aaronpk: rhiaro left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: re: the http/https stuff yesterday (last night?), as someone imminantly switching from http to https I second treating them as the same identifier. And also requiring https would have been a massive blocker for me earlier on; a warning and some friendly tips for getting started would be good though http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-26/line/1430063947762
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Loqi aaronpk: kylewm left you a message 5 minutes ago: do either of your hubs support multi-valued "hub.url" pings? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-26/line/1430067568743
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kylewm aaronpk: like hub.mode=publish&hub.url[]=https://kylewm.com/&hub.url[]=https://kylewm.com/updates.atom
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aaronpk oh, is that a thing?
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kylewm well it's a thing I want to do... :) I don't know if it's a thing anyone supports
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aaronpk also is there any reason we can't make hubs recognize the publish using "hub.topic" instead of "hub.url"?
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aaronpk switchboard accepts both already
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aaronpk just seems weird to subscribe using a parameter named "hub.topic" and then publish to "hub.url"
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kylewm i agree it is weird
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aaronpk the publish ping isn't even part of the spec, so I don't see why not
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aaronpk "The hub and the publisher can agree on any mechanism, as long as the hub is eventually able send the updated payload to the subscribers."
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aaronpk i like the idea of multi-topic publish pings too
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vandenoever how does copyright work on indiewebcamp?
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vandenoever is there a way to indicate information pertaining to it
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vandenoever ?
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aaronpk vandenoever: do you mean copyright of content youre posting or of code?
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aaronparecki.com edited /How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub (+1244) "/* Notify the hub of new content */ proposed changes to notifying the hub" (view diff)
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aaronpk kylewm: see https://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push#Notify_the_hub_of_new_content for some ideas
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kylewm woot thanks aaronpk!
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Loqi yay!
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kylewm aaronpk: https://twitter.com/superfeedr/status/592376553369133058
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@superfeedr @kylewmahan yes! Just make sure you urlencode each of them and use comas as "glue" :) (twitter.com/_/status/592376553369133058)
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aaronpk whaaaaa
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aaronpk that's an interesting syntax
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snarfed comma-separated?
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snarfed seems more common IME than arary syntax
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snarfed (anecdotal, but still)
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snarfed s/arary/array/
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aaronpk snarfed: is the current published micropub wordpress plugin the same as the master branch?
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snarfed aaronpk: looking
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aaronpk having a weird issue where the tokens aren't able to be verified
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aaronpk i had to update teacup and ownyourgram to send the access token in the post body, since some web servers don't pass authorization headers
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snarfed aaronpk: yes, same
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aaronpk okay thx. gonna do more digging.
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aaronpk hmm...do you know why wp_remote_vet would return blank strings for the response code and body?
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aaronpk s/vet/get
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: hmm...do you know why wp_remote_get would return blank strings for the response code and body?
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snarfed nope
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snarfed (i know wp just like i know php: i don't :P)
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk wow... okay it looks like this server isn't able to make the SNI request to tokens.indieauth.com
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KevinMarks__ Interesting reply context issue on twitter Take a look at @mathewi's Tweet: https://twitter.com/mathewi/status/592398916970221569?s=09
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@mathewi I agree that seems dumb https://twitter.com/mterenzio/status/592398776247062530 (twitter.com/_/status/592398916970221569)
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aaronpk did they break reply context? that looks like their new QT thing
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snarfed aaronpk: re SNI, sounds reasonable, it's still got an adoption road ahead of it, esp on server side stacks
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snarfed (that's why i still serve bridgy mf2 pages on brid-gy.appspot.com)
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aaronpk just checked some versions of things, it's PHP 5.4.38, cURL 7.38.0, OpenSSL 0.9.8b
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snarfed *.9.8*
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Loqi !calc *.9.8*
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kylewm KevinMarks__: QTs just codify the "comment RT @author original note" format... I think it would be weirder to move it above :p
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KevinMarks__ If you put meta tags after the body are they hoisted by html?
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KevinMarks__ I think it should be displayed inline as a blockquote at the point in th teach it occurs, so you could post before or after
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aaronpk oh no lol
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aaronpk that sounds like one of the user stories
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KevinMarks__ S/th teach/the tweet/
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KevinMarks__ Damn, loqi doesn't like capital S
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kylewm oh yeah, that would be way cooler!
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KevinMarks__ Hm, could do that with autoembed, like we do for images
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KevinMarks__ Except it would need to call a service or something
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KevinMarks__ (injecting the twitter embed iframe would be too much)
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KevinMarks__ So back to the meta tags thought. I noticed
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KevinMarks__ That otherwise minimal sites spend the first precious ramp-up packets transmitting metadata cruft for silos. Could we put meta tags at the end?
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snarfed KevinMarks_: i kinda doubt that would make a big difference in end user latency
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KevinMarks__ I suppose the actual question is "does fb parse meta tags not in head" which is testable
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snarfed time to first byte generally far outweighs time to first 5KB
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KevinMarks__ Certainly they should be after any things that queue other fetches, just wondering why the look most important of all
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KevinMarks__ The irony of single page apps who put more content in meta than in html
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aaronpk snarfed: well I managed to track that down in case you were wondering
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aaronpk apparently you need at least OpenSSL 0.9.8j to support SNI
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aaronpk http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12941703/use-curl-with-sni-server-name-indication
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snarfed bingo!
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aaronpk so she's asking the hosting company to update the server now, since 0.9.8b is ridiculously old
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KevinMarks__ Aaronpk, does your autoembed already inline the tweet? Is it recursive?
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kylewm in php, I'm using curl_setopt(CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, array('hub.url' => s)) where s is a string of comma separate url-encoded urls
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kylewm that will result in double-urlencoding those urls won't it?
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aaronpk actually you're sending a multipart request in that case
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aaronpk you have to http_build_query and pass a string to the POSTFIELDS
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kylewm oh!
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kylewm ok that's very helpful. I think I still have to do the form encoding myself since it's this weird form-encoded, comma-separated thing
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GWG snarfed: Addressed your bookmarklet issue already?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: GWG: yup! i take it you saw the commit
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kylewm I'm working on improving PuSH support in Known, think I got it working! ... hopefully this makes up for breaking their .htaccess yesterday :P
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kylewm I still get ActivityStreams JSON from Superfeedr, which kinda sorta makes me want to support AS feeds
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vandenoever aaronpk: i meant content of the posts and other content
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vandenoever do you guys consider github a silo aggregator? (i do)
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@cmal_PP Probably going to install this on my Known: 2-click privacy sharing buttons! http://panzi.github.io/SocialSharePrivacy/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/592445861260562436)
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GWG snarfed: Yes, I did. I didn't see your message. The slack ones don't register.
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KevinMarks_ updted mf2py
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KevinMarks_ see https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py/commit/9d8789609b33b3f677d0dbe7e787253c959f5dfb
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Loqi slack/snarfed: KevinMarks++
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /follow (+4553) "Expand; brainstorm follow posts and follower lists; silo examples and indieweb examples" (view diff)