#indiewebcamp 2015-04-16

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KevinMarks
it doesn't draw the button
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kylewm
what is Will someone?
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KevinMarks
will someone is an app from Alynd to share todo items. http://willsomeone.com
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loqi.me
created /will_someone (+104) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-15/line/1429142989101 and dfn added by KevinMarks"
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KevinMarks
extracted the button html+css from the iframe. grr. http://app.willsomeone.com/static/button.html
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@NoizIvy
RT @NZN: #indie #indieweb @indie are some of most important concept markers these days..tools/methods supporting them need much love..#sust…
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@acegiak
oh hey, look. I can use http://queryfeed.net to add twitter feeds to my Indieweb reader WhisperFollow - http://acegiak.net/2015/04/16/10256/
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aaronpk
i'm not convinced that a reader interface that is actually part of your own website is actually a useful thing
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aaronpk
as long as the reader stores things on your own website (posts likes to your site, etc) then I think that's fine
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acegiak
aaronpk: I agree. there's nothing inherently advantageous to hosting your own reader if you can use another to post to your own site
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Loqi
acegiak: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 4/14 at 1:18am: do the youtube feeds work in unmung.com ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-14/line/1428999532059
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aaronpk
the distinction between hosting your own reader and using a hosted reader is tangential, since in both cases the reader is not part of your own site
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aaronpk
being able to host your own reader is important, but should not be required or even necessarily encouraged. as long as readers behave well by posting things to your site, and as long as there are multiple options for hosted readers to use, then using a hosted reader shouldn't be an issue
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acegiak
yeah. I think one of the reasons I like the idea of whisperfollow is that I like the idea of being able to deploy a wordpress indieweb solution complete with personal reader
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acegiak
but the problem is that whisperfollow is actually awful code because all I've done is focus on the UX
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aaronpk
integrated readers are great, and wordpress is definitely pushing that model, but I don't think that is necessarily a requirement or goal everyone needs to strive for
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acegiak
no, but when I want to pitch someone on indieweb I talk a lot owning your own stuff and not being beholden to the shitty design or facebook or tumblr
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aaronpk
right, so allowing new players to come along and create beautiful interfaces to read and post content should be encouraged, and I should be able to use those interfaces with my existing website, not needing to replace the code that runs on aaronparecki.com
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acegiak
so it makes sense to demo a reader built into my site rather than woodwind or any of the others which are almost definitely better softeware than whisperfollow but feel disconnected from the experience I'm talking aout
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acegiak
this true.
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acegiak
and I can use those other readers and they work pretty well with my site
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aaronpk
having both options is the best situation
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acegiak
agreed
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acegiak
KevinMarks: It doesn't embed the video
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snarfed
aaronpk++ and
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snarfed
acegiak++ for acknowledging that we don't necessarily have to host our own readers
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Loqi
aaronpk has 763 karma
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Loqi
acegiak has 17 karma
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snarfed
(at least the service part)
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snarfed
same with other apps we use
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snarfed
and huh, acegiak, have i not evangelized https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ to you before?
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snarfed
my bad :P
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cweiske
there is a second google PuSH server; pubsubhubbub-qa.appspot.com - the normal one is pubsubhubbub.appspot.com
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cweiske
and a google search for this domain leads 0 results
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KevinMarks__
Did you get pubsubhubbub.club to host an indie one?
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cweiske
what do you mean?
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cweiske
I am hosting my own indie push server
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cweiske
this is why I noticed the google QA server
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cweiske
if he accepts that I'm developing that one and that it can break anytime
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cweiske
although I'm using it myself and thus are interested in its stable functioning
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cweiske
I wonder why google's hub and feedly only subscribe for a day, and not longer
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cweiske
kylewm, woodwind also only subscribes for a day. why?
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@voxpelli
@HugoGiraudel Fragmention URL can link to anything in a page at least: https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention Works with external comments like WebMentions
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fkooman
indiecert.net is back online, the host got compromised through the management console of the VM platform, w00ps :) using reissued TLS cert now and all should be in perfect working order again :)
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cweiske
fkooman, what do you say to the feature request about allowing certificates that are issued by the same issuer that the website is?
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fkooman
cweiske, i commented on the github issue
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cweiske
I think it's not about the same secret
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cweiske
oh, bengo proposed that
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fkooman
cweiske, yeah, maybe i am misunderstanding it... can you explain?
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cweiske
that's strange, yep
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cweiske
but if I have my own CA
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cweiske
one that's not trusted by anyone but me
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cweiske
and my website's cert is signed by this CA
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cweiske
and my client cert is signed by that CA
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cweiske
shouldn't that CA be used as common trust point?
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fkooman
cweiske, it sounds that it is still vulnerable to MITM
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cweiske
who is MITMd?
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fkooman
the traffic between indiecert and your website
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fkooman
i think the only part of TLS with client certificate you can trust is 'proof of secret key'
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cweiske
I still don't understand the attack vector
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fkooman
i could generate a CA + client cert and put the CA on your MITMed homepage
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fkooman
what binds your client cert to the CA?
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cweiske
it's signed by the CA
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cweiske
isn't it?
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fkooman
yeah but I can make a CA and sign your public key
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cweiske
but the user will not pass that key to indiecert
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cweiske
because he has it in his browser already
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fkooman
no, but because you can't verify the fingerprint on your homepage in a trusted way...
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fkooman
i could run a https proxy with a cert signed with my ca in between indiecert and your homepage
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cweiske
I assume that the user got his client cert on a not MITMd way
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fkooman
and put the fingerprint of your public key signed with my ca on your mitmed homepage
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cweiske
so the user's certificate can be trusted, and the user's certificate is signed by his own CA
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fkooman
maybe you are right
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cweiske
so indiecert gets now the user's client cert
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cweiske
if the connection between indiecert and the user's homepage is MITM'd, the comparison of the CA of both the client cert and the website's cert would fail
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fkooman
but then another attack: what stops me from claiming other websites as my identity?
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cweiske
could you please elaborate with an example?
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fkooman
i have this setup and also sign cweiske.de with my CA...
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fkooman
and MITM the traffic between indiecert.net and cweiske.de
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fkooman
*suppose i have this setup
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cweiske
the result would be that indiecert.net would certify to the application you want to sign into that you are cweiske.de
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fkooman
exactly, which is a problem if i am not cweiske :)
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cweiske
and this works if you MITM the connection between indiecert and cweiske.de
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fkooman
yep
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fkooman
which is the whole reason to implement https to make that impossible
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fkooman
i think the only way to fix this is to implement an additional white list of CAs and link them to domains, so { "cweiske-ca.crt": [ "cweiske.de", "www.cweiske.de" ], 'bengo-ca.crt": [ "bengo.is"]}
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fkooman
but then there needs to be a channel for me to make sure the ca file you send me is actually you :)
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cweiske
you simply store the used CA the first time that cweiske.de tries to log in
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cweiske
TOFU, trust on first use
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fkooman
yeah, but then there is no need for a CA at all
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fkooman
just use self signed certs
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cweiske
finally
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cweiske
we've reached that goal :)
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fkooman
i mean, indiecert.net could even display the fingerprint of your server's tls cert
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fkooman
like ssh does
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fkooman
so you can check if :)
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fkooman
but i am not sure it is worth it to build that :) with letsencrypt coming soon and stuff :) what do you think?
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cweiske
yes, with letsencrypt everything will be fine
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fkooman
i am actually not that optimistic about it, it will not be easy to deploy on most hosters...only if you run your own VM
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cweiske
I bet most hosters will implement it sooner or later
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fkooman
but for stuff like indiehosters it is perfect :)
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cweiske
you'll have a button
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fkooman
there should be no button... :)
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fkooman
cweiske, also have to deal with revocation... complex shit :)
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cweiske
can you revoke ssh certificates?
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fkooman
you can remove it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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fkooman
so you have to also build the ability to remove the 'pins' from indiecert.net
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fkooman
and that has to be bound to a user again...but how do you login
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cweiske
or at least warn the user that it changed, with a confirmation button
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fkooman
actually it still wouldn't work
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cweiske
you can use the client cert ca + serial as key
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cweiske
for pre-login
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fkooman
how do you bind it to a user without knowing for sure who he is
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fkooman
so you need to maintain users with both the domain, and with just the cert as identity
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cweiske
yep. running a login service isn't easy :)
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fkooman
but then still you can mitm the thing :(
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fkooman
i think there is no reasonable way to build this without substantial work and a million ways to shoot yourself in the foot
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fkooman
it will be an exercise on "how to rebuild the PKI"
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cweiske
will letsencrypt sign client certs?
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fkooman
maybe, but i doubt they will include a domain name in the SAN :-)
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fkooman
they could do that for webid stuff, but webid also doesn't use a CA :)
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fkooman
cweiske, https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=cweiske.de you still have some issues, you accept RC4 and no PFS :)
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cweiske
I don't advertise/endorse the ssl connection anyway since nearly no browser trusts CAcert
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fkooman
that is not a good excuse :)
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danielkoening.de
edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+61) "/* Participants */"
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cweiske
did someone try to built and alternative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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cweiske
s/lt/ld/
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: did someone try to build and aldernative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
lol I had forgotten I registered pubsubhubbub.club
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cweiske
didn't you want to build some kind of planet software for push-enabled sites?
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aaronpk
that sounds right
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aaronpk
that sounds better than running a community hub
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cweiske
which is nearly like what I asked for this morning
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cweiske
did someone try to built and alternative to twitter that simply syndicates all user's notes/blog posts? with push support, so one does not have to rely on twitter to get notified about new posts with interesting hash tags?
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aaronpk
if pubsubhubbub.club subscribes to people's hubs, and then publishes out feeds of its own for hashtags, you could subscribe to something like pubsubhubbub.club/indieweb to find community content with that hashtag
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cweiske
exactly
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aaronpk
i like that
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lukasrosenstock.net
edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+512) "/* Participants */ Added myself to list."
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aaronpk
i think i'm gonna call it "PubClub" for short
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aaronpk
that'll be great cause then I can finally get realtime #indieweb non-twitter content into this channel
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dariusdunlap
Nice idea, aaronpk and cweiske on the PuSH.club…
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aaronpk
feel free to add notes/ideas
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aaronpk
oh I just realized I need to be more proactive about re-subscribing to feeds in monocle
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cweiske
I just discovered the xmpp push bot at http://push-bot.appspot.com/ and tried it with phubb
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aaronpk
oh yeah I forgot about that!
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cweiske
that's instant notification
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cweiske
I'm a bit impressed
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cweiske
kylewm, it's woodwind which is slow :)
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cweiske
phubb is fast enough if you look at the xmpp window
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aaronpk
i should get realtime updates in monocle so you can try there
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aaronpk
twitter didn't used to put the photos above the text in tweets did they?
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aaronpk
oh funny it's only above the text in the stream view, not on individual tweets
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KevinMarks
i think benward blogged about that yesterday
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aaronpk
oh hey kylewm deleted a post and monocle successfully emptied the post but didn't remove the entry fro mthe list
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kylewm
Aaronpk: if it's the post I'm thinking of, it was blank to begin with
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aaronpk
oh hmm
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aaronpk
well issue filed regardless: https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/19 thanks!
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aaronpk
eww, issue 19
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aaronpk
new policy: skip over 19 when creating issues
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aaronpk
kind of like how buildings don't have a 13th floor
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kylewm
cweiske: what do you mean it only subscribes for a day? Woodwind shouldn't be giving a expiration date at all
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aaronpk
isn't the subscription lifetime determined by the hub?
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kylewm
Yeah, subscribers can request a lifetime but it's up to the hub
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KevinMarks
does the hub tell you when you need to resubscribe, or does it just go quiet?
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aaronpk
the hub returns the expiration date
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aaronpk
so you need to re-subscribe before that date
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KevinMarks
"we're going to abolish polling, except, you know, for when you need to poll us to resubscribe"
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cweiske
kylewm, phubb limits it to 7 days
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cweiske
but my logs show that your subscriptions have a lifetime of 86400 seconds
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cweiske
which could be a bug on my side, I'll check that
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cweiske
the default value of phubb is 86400
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cweiske
the max value is 7*86400
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cweiske
since you don't give a value, the default one is used.
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cweiske
maybe I should change that
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aaronpk
i'm missing something... kylewm is using superfeedr for his hub, so shouldn't you be seeing that expiration date?
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GWG
Feh
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KevinMarks
may make sense to have it be less than an exact day so you don't have a gap in subscription
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aaronpk
presumably PuSH consumers should pro-actively renew their subscription
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aaronpk
there's no harm in subscribing again before the original subscription expires
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@bookprescom
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: aaronpk: 19 is bad?
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gRegor`
Hahh. Twitter is adding Star Wars emoji to #StarWars and related hashtag tweets today. e.g. https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/588765839676952576
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gRegor`
Guess it's called a "hashflag"? https://twitter.com/hashtag/StarWars?src=hash
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gRegor`
What is hashtag?
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Loqi
hashtags are the use of the hash "#" symbol followed immediately by a word/phrase/abbreviation to explicitly denote a topic inline in a post https://indiewebcamp.com/hashtag
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cweiske
aaronpk, I'm talking about reader.kylewm.com. I subscribed it to push-tester.cweiske.de
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cweiske
so it registers itself at my hub
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cweiske
to get updates
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aaronpk
oh gotcha
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cweiske
KevinMarks, actually you should register with a lease time a bit more than a day
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cweiske
so you can use a cron job to update your subscription every day
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@kevinmarks
@davewiner did you look at the pull request I sent for indieweb microformats yet, or just silos?
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_1_nick2
hay
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gregorlove.com
created /Hashflag (+441) "stub"
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bret
aaronpk how about subclubpubhub
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kylewm
bret: the 12th ping is free?
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@LukasRosenstock
I made the arrangements to participate in the @indiewebcamp in Düsseldorf in May. Looking forward to meeting awesome #indieweb people.
(twitter.com/_/status/588786485652017152)
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cweiske
I wish tt-rss would push updates to the browser. push integration does work nicely
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cweiske
kylewm, what do you use to push data to the browser? eventsource, websockets, ??
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kylewm
websockets
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cweiske
did you try eventsource?
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aaronpk
I tried some eventsource stuff with php but kept running into weird memory issues
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kylewm
cweiske: ya I actually wrote it both ways
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cweiske
and it blocks a php process
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cweiske
what are your experiences with eventsource?
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kylewm
i think it's nice that websockets manages sending heartbeats and stuff for you, i don't think SSEs do that
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kylewm
now that i'm thinking about it, i might not have finished writing the sse way
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kylewm
i did a couple of iterations
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aaronpk
i was very hopeful about eventsource because it's such a simple protocol
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aaronpk
i'll have to try it again some time, or maybe try it in Node
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cweiske
did anyone try websockets with php?
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aaronpk
i haven't. only in node.
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aaronpk
seems like not a very good job for php
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kylewm
Python3's asyncio stuff handled websockets very nicely
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kylewm
not that that helps either of you :p
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cweiske
ha. just found a php websockets server tutorial from 2011, which was written by a friend of mine from university days...
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cweiske
I just don't know if I can handle multiple client connections with a single php process
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aaronpk
this is why I just wrote a tiny node websockets server and send data to it from php
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kylewm
it does feel like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer
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cweiske
i'll rather check if I really have to go away from php
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kylewm
aaronpk: i don't mean it's not a good solution, i think it is good, it's just a bummer
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aaronpk
here's some info on setting up a server for websockets with php http://socketo.me/docs/deploy
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aaronpk
it looks like it is entirely possible to do in php
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cweiske
question is if I have to start a php process for every client connection
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cweiske
or if I can do that with a single one
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aaronpk
i think just the one
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cweiske
it's german but the example code shows that it handles multiple clients
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aaronpk
wow that's some low-level code
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cweiske
yep. no abstraction or anything. just what you need
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cweiske
in phubb I only use file_get_contents for fetching and POSTing data :)
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aaronpk
maybe for eventsource that'd be true, but any time you deal with sockets in PHP you should really use a library.. thatstuff gets edge-casey fast
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cweiske
that reminds me that I wanted to finish my imap server in php
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aaronpk
runs away
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cweiske
my goal was to use the mantis bug tracker as backend for the imap server
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cweiske
so I can categorize issues by dropping them into a different imap folder with my email client
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cweiske
or assign issues that way
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cweiske
mail client instead of a web client
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bret
fun to open monocle or woodwind in that
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aaronpk
now I reaaaly need to get realtime updates for monocle
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think i may look in to the new native push notifications in chrome
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bret
are they the same as the ones in safari?
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cweiske
desktop notifications?
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ben_thatmustbeme
looking to make it so i get notifications of webmentions coming in to my site
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aaronpk
same idea anyway, using GCM
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ben_thatmustbeme
desktop and mobile
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aaronpk
cweiske: no, using google's push notification service
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cweiske
ah. I simply use sendxmpp
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bret
e.g. notifications without a webpage open
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cweiske
cli-tool
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bret
i know firefox also has something similar in the works especially for ffos
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ben_thatmustbeme
as soon as I have time to sit down and figure that out, i'd love for that to work too
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ben_thatmustbeme
the firefox social notifications stuff was woefully undocumented though
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ben_thatmustbeme
plus i don't have FF on my phone
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voxpelli
Firefox and Chrome will be using the same browser API:s for the push notifications
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voxpelli
That's one half, the other spec is https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/
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ben_thatmustbeme
starts searching for sample code of this
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aaronpk
i want notifications of mentions!
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats what I just got to that page voxpelli, thanks
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voxpelli
aaronpk: I btw use EventSource for realtime updates of my WebMention embeds
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/bad grammer/good grammer/
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aaronpk
voxpelli: cool! php backend?
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voxpelli
aaronpk: nope, Node.js backend, but fairly decoupled using Postgres pubsub
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bret
so aaronpk are you going to use my name suggestion?
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aaronpk
bret: lol
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bret
or pubsubhubclub
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aaronpk
well i already have pubsubhubbub.club, but pubsubhub club is good too
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bret
haha
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bret
aahhhhhh
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voxpelli
aaronpk: perhaps you could try something like https://github.com/wandenberg/nginx-push-stream-module/ if you don't want to add another language on top of PHP
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aaronpk
whaaaaat
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bret
didn't nginx modules play as a key inspiration to nodes design?
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voxpelli
Maybe, feels like PHP need some sort of outside hub like Node or that to handle long running connections like EventSource
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KevinMarks
so so these notifications do anything on mobile, or is this a desktop thing?
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks: PushAPI. chrome supports both mobile and desktop
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ben_thatmustbeme
i don't yet know about FF
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ben_thatmustbeme
ideally i would love if i could push to both at the same time
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i somehow doubt that is going to happen for me
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@Paul_Kinlan
@kevinmarks @ginatrapani not yet, we can't get ServiceWorker in to Chrome there.
(twitter.com/_/status/588811461893357568)
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GWG
Afternoon
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zachdono-
GWG: afternoon!
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GWG
zachdonovan: Next week?
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zachdonovan
yeah, let me double check with the front desk
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GWG
I may not get out of work till 6:30.
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ben_thatmustbeme
doesn't use iOS
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm sure it will be there soon though
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KevinMarks
trickier as a browser
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zachdonovan
GWG: yep, looks like we're good!
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zachdonovan
just need to get a guest list together
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GWG
No one else so far
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zachdonovan
Yep, same here.
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zachdonovan
I'll ask around.
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GWG
And I'll be late
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zachdonovan
Any New York Area Lurkers hangin' out in here? let me know if you want to come to the inaugural(?) NYC HWC!
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GWG
It may take time
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gRegor`
NYC HWC is a nice rhyme
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ben_thatmustbeme
Tried to get notifications tested on my site before I had to leave for the train. Just couldn't get it in that quick. Will have to finish up later
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Loqi
[mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'In NYC and working on your own website? Check out the inaugural Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-0...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (/notes/2015/04/16/7/)
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@gRegorLove
In NYC and working on your own website? Check out the inaugural Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
(twitter.com/_/status/588821191265136641)
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zachdonovan
thanks for the shoutout, gRegor`!
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gRegor`
Glad to help get it off the ground, since Chicago's on hiatus :)
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aaronpk
now that iOS push notifications can run code, it seems like Chrome could actually implement their push API on iOS
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zachdonovan
gRegor`++
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zachdonovan
gregornobacktick++
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Loqi
gregornobacktick has 49 karma
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zachdonovan
is learning
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gRegor`
Haha
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aaronpk
okay from what I understand, that nginx module is managing the pubsub stuff itself, so doesn't require PHP be running long-running processes
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kylewm
what is gRegors karma alias?
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Loqi
Loqi does not like the backtick in gRegor Morrill's screen name gRegor`, so you can give karma to username gregornobacktick in the meantime . . https://indiewebcamp.com/gregors_karma_alias
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kai Teoh á•™(⇀”¸â†¼”¶)á•— retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/jkteoh/status/588827806307635201)
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gRegorLove
Hai guys. Over a year later, I solved the difficult backtick problem. I am smrt.
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Loqi
gRegorLove: snarfed left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: just fyi, i fixed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/133 . let me know if it works ok for you!
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bret
can I still use gregornobacktick?
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gRegorLove
Yeah, please do use gregornobacktick :)
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gRegorLove
I apologize if this is too jarring
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bret
or make it an alias to gRegorLove
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aaronpk
now you gotta update /gregors_karma_alias
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gRegorLove
How do you mean, bret? Logi doesn't do aliases does he?
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bret
i dunno
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bret
aaronpk: does Loqi alias karma
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Loqi
dude
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gRegorLove
My karma is already across multiple versions; no biggie
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gRegorLove
Heh, I think that tell from snarfed above is actually 1 year, 3 weeks, 5 days ago. Loqi probably doesn't do years?
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dariusdunlap
Should my rel=“me” be inside the hCard?
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tantek
dariusdunlap: another way of restating that is, should your rel="me" hyperlink also have class="u-url" and be inside your h-card?
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tantek
and the answer is yes it should, because it will enhance your h-card, and make it into a representative h-card, but it is not necessary for rel=me to work with indieauth.
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dariusdunlap
Yes. So I had a rogue </p> in there… and likely other problems. ;-)
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dariusdunlap
This on my blog, https://darius.dunlaps.net, so it’s not actually what I use for my main indieauth, but I think it still should be setup right.
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tantek
agreed - and because it is on your blog, you're likely using that URL as your p-author h-card URL
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tantek
thus making sure it has a good representative h-card is a good idea
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dariusdunlap
Yes, thanks for the clarification. got some fiddling to do.
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@parzzix
More great services “@withknown Introducing Convoy! http://t.co/L8DWBiEYvI” #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/588837676221992960)
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tantek
what is rel-me?
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Loqi
The rel=me attribute indicates that the destination of a hyperlink represents the same person or entity as the current page https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me
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tantek
what is silo sign-in?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
created /Sign_in_with_Twitter (+243) "stub with dfn, use indieauth instead"
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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GWG
One of possible good things about being stuck in bed for a bit is I can do Indieweb stuff.
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tantek.com
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loqi.me
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tantek
KevinMarks: expanded a bit on your Google-specific page/docs: https://indiewebcamp.com/silo_sign-in
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tantek
what do you think of the term silo sign-in?
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tantek.com
edited /rel-me (+1344) "update dfn, add Why, How sections, FAQ / Should my rel me be inside my hCard per IRC chat with dariusdunlap, fix example to use example.com subdomain"
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