#indiewebcamp 2015-03-24
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@davidpeach1 Began the process of adding webmentions to my site tonight. Half way there. (twitter.com/_/status/580157196106915842)
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@NorthCreekSoft #smallbusiness #ownyourdata #Excel @xOverTime vs. @CollateBox - which is a better guardian of your spreadsheet data? (twitter.com/_/status/580158821609398272)
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@kevinmarks @om here's my tag from that last post, for example: http://known.kevinmarks.com/tag/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/580172881541222400)
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kylewm !tell GWG I use this https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP hosted on my server and cache the images with a bit of custom python. ht aaronpk for the excellent lib
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KevinMarks call for contributions from a feminist hacker magazine: http://recompilermag.com/2015/03/15/call-for-contributors-for-our-first-issue/
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@bookprescom Facebook Testing ‘Interested’ Button for Events Again? >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617098&utm_content=bufferb7693&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/580232625383706624)
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@Bali_Maha @JeffreyKeefer @jgmac1106 @mcjsa with brid.gy and webmentions the blogger can include tweets as comments on their blog. Will show u one (twitter.com/_/status/580275221619408896)
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bengo I posted my first 'post', describing what currently powers bengo.is http://bengo.is/
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# bengo Not permalinked... I'll do that tomorrow to secure my http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark :)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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fkooman morning :)
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@WWRuhr Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://www.meetup.com/wwruhr/events/221363578/ (twitter.com/_/status/580326841073950720)
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@wwnrw RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW… (twitter.com/_/status/580327088139403264)
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@fernmuendlich RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW… (twitter.com/_/status/580327088579719168)
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@expositio RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW… (twitter.com/_/status/580329277645811712)
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Loqi [bridgy] Benjamin Michael Goering RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#2953776562154)
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# Loqi GWG: kylewm left you a message 10 hours, 51 minutes ago: I use this https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP hosted on my server and cache the images with a bit of custom python. ht aaronpk for the excellent lib http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-23/line/1427160086891
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petermolnar good morning
# petermolnar I'm getting brutally tired of WordPress and looking ad Grav to move my stuff; not entirely convinced yet because it would require a lot of work from my side :)
# petermolnar what is on your mind?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "on your mind" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=on+your+mind&summary=prompted+by+petermolnar+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-24%2Fline%2F1427199288094
# petermolnar we probably don't need one, Loqi
# petermolnar have you seen http://getgrav.org/ yet? you may also be interested
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@metrotipu #BeritaBohong #PimredGendut #MediaBlackout #JurnalismeBusuk @RepublikBoneka #BoikotDetikCom @PresidenBoneka #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/metrotipu/status/579483077639983106/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580351193307713536)
# ben_thatmustbeme GWG thoughts on my response? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
# ben_thatmustbeme too short? its hard to get all the thoughts in without being way too brief
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@OuiShareLabs First hello from @ouisharelabs Known site, #POSSE-d to other channels! Looking forward to your webmentions :-) https://stream.ouisharelabs.net/2015/first-hello-from-ouisharelabs-known-site-posse-d-to-other-channels (twitter.com/_/status/580357845209751552)
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# ben_thatmustbeme woops
# ben_thatmustbeme fixed GWG, thanks
# ben_thatmustbeme i went through so many versions of it
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# ben_thatmustbeme indeed
# ben_thatmustbeme thats why i've been struggling so much
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# ben_thatmustbeme i'm completely revising my storage for comments, likes, mentions, etc
# ben_thatmustbeme all merged in to one table of "interactions"
# ben_thatmustbeme allows me to keep every revision of them too
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@kirilind RT @OuiShareLabs: First hello from @ouisharelabs Known site, #POSSE-d to other channels! Looking forward to your webmentions :-) https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/580361296413065216)
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@elfpavlik RT @OuiShareLabs: First hello from @ouisharelabs Known site, #POSSE-d to other channels! Looking forward to your webmentions :-) https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/580363987835043841)
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@greenhost Nudging toward the indieweb. All our WP blogposts will be forwarded to #diaspora as of today. Thnx to this plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-to-diaspora/ (twitter.com/_/status/580372288178094080)
# gRegor` What is Diaspora?
# Loqi Diaspora (or D*) is an open source project for hosting a social network on your own server that federates with other Diaspora instances, which are called "pods" https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora
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@andkjaer STUDY: Facebook Pages’ Organic Reach Is Not Quite Dead >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617066&utm_content=buffer8b454&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/580387101247700992)
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@suryaadrians RT @metrotipu: #BeritaBohong #PimredGendut #MediaBlackout #JurnalismeBusuk @RepublikBoneka #BoikotDetikCom @PresidenBoneka #IndieWeb http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/580388022882992129)
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@spigot The billionaire’s typewriter: http://practicaltypography.com/billionaires-typewriter.html Foundational reasoning behind self publishing. #indieweb https://twitter.com/spigot/status/580400329595961344/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580400329595961344)
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tantek interesting example of a quotation "tweet" with a longer quotation uploaded as an image! https://twitter.com/spigot/status/580400329595961344
# @spigot The billionaire’s typewriter: http://practicaltypography.com/billionaires-typewriter.html Foundational reasoning behind self publishing. #indieweb https://twitter.com/spigot/status/580400329595961344/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580400329595961344)
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# snarfed !tell cwieske (re stats, i assume you've seen https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy )
# Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Huey RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10204181889683168)
# Loqi [bridgy] Laura Gluhanich RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10104803441676193)
# Loqi [bridgy] Jina RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#523759551124)
# Loqi [bridgy] Kara Murphy RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10152691890307875)
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# sparverius loqi, shhhhhh
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# Loqi [bridgy] PJ Khalil RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10152384475429314)
# snarfed kylewm: filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/378
# Loqi [bridgy] Darius Dunlap RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10155145068360183)
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# petermolnar ?
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# gRegor` Feeling tired, Loqi?
# petermolnar for in
{1..[latest facebook id]}; do invite_all_the_people; done# snarfed feel free to vote for https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/39 and https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/44
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todrobbins I just authenticated via webmention.io and added the <link> tags to my site
# todrobbins it that all that is necessary?
# todrobbins enable notifications when my personal domain is linked to
# todrobbins is that the purpose of webmentions? or am I misreading?
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# todrobbins maybe I need a quick run down on the differences between webmention and pingback
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# todrobbins tantek: I’m a relative newcomer to implementing indiewebcamp tech :D
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jonnybarnes surely just another request to your API endpoint?
# jonnybarnes with values like h=card&name=My Full Name or something
# jonnybarnes the micropub api is just form encoded http requests
# jonnybarnes updating a h-card would be pretty similar to updating a h-entry wound't it?
# jonnybarnes not yet, I'm currently working on my client/endpoint to get syndication targets
# jonnybarnes hmmm, why would a client need to read your h-card?
# jonnybarnes only use case I can think of would be to change/update it
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# jonnybarnes something like an indie-reader (\w its own micropub client) might want to consume your h-card
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zachdonovan what is woodwind?
# Loqi Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
# zachdonovan haha, sweet :)
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# zachdonovan thanks loqi!
# todrobbins ah, just noticed that /events is for IndieWebCamp events
# todrobbins carry on!
# Loqi comics are one of many types of posts that you can publish on your own site, and usually involve one or more comic image frames laid out sequentially, sometimes with characters drawn in each frame speaking to each other https://indiewebcamp.com/comics
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# ben_thatmustbeme tantek, thoughts on my response? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
# ben_thatmustbeme have not sent it yet. Its hard to try to stay as so short
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@4c4d @setient if you're concerned about controlling your communication, look into #indieweb . (twitter.com/_/status/580432709429960706)
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# ben_thatmustbeme just going to send that response along now then
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm, guess tantek isn't going to respond :P
# ben_thatmustbeme thoughts on my response? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
# ben_thatmustbeme before i send it
# gRegor` Couple grammar fixes for GWG's, if you're sending that part
# gRegor` "the idea resonate": resonates; "That idea is that": The idea
# ben_thatmustbeme he sent that already
# gRegor` k
# ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions (+3) "minor changes, formatting" (view diff)
# ben_thatmustbeme sent it
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tantek.com edited /2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions (+43) "made a few suggested edits just in case" (view diff)
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@PresidenBoneka RT @metrotipu: #BeritaBohong #PimredGendut #MediaBlackout #JurnalismeBusuk @RepublikBoneka #BoikotDetikCom @PresidenBoneka #IndieWeb http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/580446200861757442)
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@awoods @Krogsgard I've been thinking more about owning my own data, and reading up on Indie Web. Check out http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ and @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/580449692875620352)
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@Nadreck @benwerd @withknown Looking forward to it. I kind of feel like a goal of #indieweb projects is to encourage human connection. (twitter.com/_/status/580458342428065793)
# @awoods I think #indieweb is the way forward. I wonder about discovery though. If I visited an indieweb website - how would I know? (twitter.com/_/status/580458763242573824)
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# KevinMarks tantek, I don't have a name for posting images of longer quotes particularly though I did recently retroPOSSE my post on it to medium https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun-html-causing-the-infographic-plague-5eaac57a7d4e KevinMarks
# KevinMarks There are people calling it "screenshorts"
# KevinMarks Someone wrote a wonderful post about telling the spread of a meme by the layers of screen capture/Jpeg artifacts it includes
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KartikPrabhu something to read for IWC hosting: https://the-pastry-box-project.net/ross-penman/2015-march-24
# KartikPrabhu offended is a strong word, bothere yes me too
# tantek !tell snarfed in case you can plan that far in advance, would be great to have you at the 2015-04-22 HWC SF meetup (that's ~ a month from now), as it looks like we'll be getting a special guest (Eric Meyer) who is on WordPress and very interested in getting some interactive guidance on WP indieweb plugins!
# KartikPrabhu tips and tricks on WP front-end security: https://css-tricks.com/introduction-to-wordpress-front-end-security-escaping-the-things/ and https://css-tricks.com/wordpress-front-end-security-csrf-and-nonces/
# Loqi security in the context of the indieweb may refer to security concerns regarding personal domains, web hosting, https setup, private data, identity etc https://indiewebcamp.com/security
# KartikPrabhu on it
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: logging in to the wiki redirects back to homepage is that expected?
# tantek WordPress Outreach Club - I sent Eric Meyer to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress - now we'll see what happens
# KartikPrabhu it used to
# KartikPrabhu what is wordpress
# Loqi WordPress is an open source blog software as well as a blog hosting service https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
# KartikPrabhu tantek: added links to Wordpress security as it was more appropriate
# gRegor` What is WordPress Security?
# gRegor` What is WordPress Security?
# Loqi One of the most important things for new users to do is to properly secure their Wordpress installation https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Security
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# sparverius woah! that has some not good advice
# KartikPrabhu sparverius: the links I added?
# sparverius no no
# sparverius just the page in general
# sparverius im fixing it
# KartikPrabhu yes good :)
# KartikPrabhu maybe add as a comment by you in case the "not goodness" is debated :)
# sparverius KartikPrabhu: well it's pretty well accepted security advice for WP
# KartikPrabhu sure. then maybe some references would be good
# KartikPrabhu wiki pages have been accused of being one-sided before
# KartikPrabhu also I am no security expert, so I really can't distinguish between good and bad advice. So references are useful :)
# gRegor` What's the bad advice on there?
# sparverius gRegor`: i didnt say bad
# sparverius just not as good as it could be ;)
# @NorthCreekSoft #ownyourdata does anyone else export everything to #Excel and then export again via csv to reporting tools? (twitter.com/_/status/580476614540201984)
# sparverius the problem with wordpress is that it's often thrown up by someone knew to self publishing, and frankly, its built in security options could be better (mandating strongpasswords and built in fail2ban, for example)
# sparverius new*
# sparverius and then Mary's Cat Blog becomes FREE RUSSIAN HORSE MEDICINE
# sparverius because mary used "password" as her password and wordpress was like "FINE BY ME"
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# gRegor` Still my favorite WordPress plugin :) http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/02/19/3/
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cweiske.de created /phubb (+93) "Created page with "Open source standalone PHP [[PubSubHubbub]] server by [[User:cweiske.de]]. Work in progress."" (view diff)
# gRegor` !tell benwerd I got a 202 on this webmention on 3/23, but it never appeared. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/03/23/2/
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bret !tell cweiske http://requestb.in/ is helpful for PuSH debugging, and those clients offer some degree of feedback on PuSH configuration. plus you can ask aaronpk or kylewm
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@benatkin another #OurIncredibleJourney shutdown notice #ownyourdata #ayylmao http://community.foundationdb.com/ http://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ https://twitter.com/benatkin/status/580503244172070914/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580503244172070914)
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@ayylmaobot_ ayy lmao benatkin:another #OurIncredibleJourney shutdown notice #ownyourdata #ayylmao http://community.foundationdb.com/ … https://twitter.com/benatkin/status/580503244172070914/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580505279596519425)
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# KevinMarks tantek_: should we adopt shitpic as the name for textual quotations?
# KartikPrabhu GWG: for your perusal: https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Security#Further_Reading
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# KartikPrabhu to see if it is relevant/useful to Wordpress users as a whole
# KartikPrabhu that works then
# KevinMarks now twitter is dming me shitpic posts by ev
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# KevinMarks what is a shitpic?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shitpic" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=shitpic&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-24%2Fline%2F1427239764491
# KevinMarks shitpic is the practice of posting a screengrab rather than text to a silo that constrains text length or otherwise makes formatted posting hard. The term was coined in http://www.theawl.com/2014/12/the-triumphant-rise-of-the-shitpic whcih discusses how ‘if you look at a Shitpic, you can instantly tell the level of virality by how worn it looks, how legible its text is, how many watermarks adorn it. You can count them much
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loqi.me created /shitpic (+455) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427239764491 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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@W6AZ Silo-Busting MyWord Editor is Now Public AND easy to use!! #MWE #indieweb #silo-free http://www.windley.com/archives/2015/03/silo-busting_myword_editor_is_now_public.shtml?fb_ref=Default https://twitter.com/W6AZ/status/580512578243301377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/580512578243301377)
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# gRegor` doesn't really care for the term "shitpic"
# gRegor` The term seems to be more about the ease of screencapping to re-share vs uploading the original, not so much about getting around text length limits.
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# gRegor` When it came up earlier, I thought you were referring to people purposefully screencapping longer text to get around the limits.
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