#indiewebcamp 2015-02-24

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KevinMarks oogle calendar attempts to parse things like "This Wednesday, 17:30-19:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup @ESRIPDX"
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KevinMarks s/oog/Goog/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: Google calendar attempts to parse things like "This Wednesday, 17:30-19:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup @ESRIPDX"
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snarfed1 humanize++ for fuzzy date parsing in python, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/humanize
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Loqi humanize has 1 karma
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KevinMarks mind you, google maps sucks at free address parsing
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KevinMarks put anything before the street address and it will search that and send you there instead
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kylewm snarfed: it lookslike humanize is fuzzy date formatting rather than parsing, am i missing something in the docs?
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 14 minutes ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for this week's HWC meetup in SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club#URLs Thanks!
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kylewm tantek: sure, happy to
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snarfed kylewm: argh you're right. i'm thinking of another library
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kylewm snarfed: not trying to nitpick you, it just sounded like something i'd want to use :)
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snarfed lol not a nitpick, i was wholly wrong
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/02/homebrew-website-club-2015-february-25 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+48) "/* URLs */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+31) "/* URLs */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /invitation (+116) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add example of invitation post" (view diff)
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GWG snarfed: I am thinking of adding venues to Wordpress. Trying to decide if I should use pages or go for a custom content type.
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GWG Any thoughts?
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snarfed hoo boy
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snarfed not on that question
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snarfed my one thought is that supporting and maintaining a venue database is a big ugly grungy task
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snarfed (ask aaronpk, esri would know :P)
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snarfed that's why i use fb's instead of trying to build my own. (https://snarfed.org/indie-checkin-flow)
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bret finally, a working p2p fs system with an easy to access web gateway: http://ipfs.io/
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bret launched today
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bret looks super neat
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kylewm GWG: what are you trying to do with venues? i have a very simple version in Red Wind, might be able to weigh in
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kylewm the short version is, lat+long, a user-entered textual description, and reverse-geocoding from nominatum has been plenty of fidelity for me
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GWG For me, I'm thinking that a venue is a 'frequently-used' location.
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GWG So, I'd want to store the lat-long, textual description.
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GWG The way I set it up last time I worked with location data is it used the WordPress geodata fields.
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GWG The only extension I'm thinking is an optional piece of data linking to a page on the site.
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kylewm interesting thread about whether or not IRC is welcoming https://twitter.com/limedaring/status/567829946220945408
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@limedaring Do new developers (who have learned how to program in the last year or two) use and feel comfortable with IRC? Especially women? (twitter.com/_/status/567829946220945408)
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KevinMarks foursquare has a good venue db and API https://developer.foursquare.com/docs/venues/search
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GWG I think you are thinking more complicated than I had planned for.
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KevinMarks on snarfed's point,t hsi one is well-maintaned
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KevinMarks and can give you choices
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GWG I'm bookmarking the Foursquare API. Never know.
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GWG But my intention seemed more like what kylewm described.
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kylewm particularly in that thread, she says she feels like a product is providing support over IRC to cut down on newbie questions
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GWG I'm just trying to figure out what to attach it to in WordPress
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GWG kylewm: IF you don't have a client, we have a web client. Where is the barrier.
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kylewm it's large, daunting, public, a possible abuse vector
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GWG What is?
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kylewm (if I had to guess)
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kylewm IRC
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GWG Ok
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GWG That's what I thought you meant
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@AustinFilmMeet AFM's New Media event. We'll be there. Make sure you register so you can attend for free. #ATXWebStuff #indieWeb http://www.austinfilmmeet.com/rsvpmaker/afm-new-media-transmedia-web-series-creators-meetup-february-2015-2-24/ (twitter.com/_/status/570060285869817856)
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pwcc kylewm I think there'ssomething to it being daunting. Within half an hour of setting up Slack - which is basically IRC iwth UI - WP Foundation had more people using it than they ever had using IRC.
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GWG pwcc: I haven't said a single thing on Slack
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pwcc GWG that's a good point - users v active users v posting users would be interesting to know.
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pwcc I don't get human logic. We are interesting creatures.
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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@pivwan @nhoizey je vais passer par webmentions.io pour un 1er temps. Coder un truc homemade prend un peu de temps :) (twitter.com/_/status/570119754079465473)
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jonnybarnes tantek, sorry for dissaperaing before
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jonnybarnes so to confirm, we think the preferable way to link to wikipedia now is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/{page} ?
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tommorris jonnybarnes: you can use http://enwp.org/{page} as a shortlink.
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@offrayLC Chévere el sitio de @jorgeegomez http://www.jorgee.net/ hecho con #DocPad y que le apuesta a la #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/570182842459799552)
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@markus2009 ->googlet: IndieWeb Movement.. (twitter.com/_/status/570200368241631232)
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Loqi [mention] Michiel de Jong posted 'IndieWebCamp Bookmark with http' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://michielbdejong.com/bookmark/ff1ea31449f6f3764ded28b857db5018/http-indiewebcampcom-)
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Loqi [mention] Michiel de Jong posted 'IndieWebCamp Bookmark with https' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://michielbdejong.com/bookmark/e6afc0cc62b016c2eafa389f50a0f604/https-indiewebcampcom-)
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GWG pfefferle: Would you be able to push the stable version of Semantic Linkbacks to the WordPress.org repository?
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pfefferle GWG sure… is something missing on the WP directory?
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Loqi pfefferle: aaronpk left you a message on 2/20 at 10:17am: guten tag! what part of Germany do you live in? I'm going to be in a couple places in Germany in March and thought maybe we could host a homebrew website club!
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Loqi pfefferle: snarfed left you a message on 2/20 at 10:18am: just to conclude from the other day: a hook to customize Micropub::authorize() sounds like a great idea! i'll follow up in https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/5
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Loqi pfefferle: GWG left you a message 2 days, 12 hours ago: Can you push the latest stable version of Semantic Linkbacks into the WordPress repository?
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GWG pfefferle: The get_linkbacks_number and get_linkbacks functions.
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pfefferle !tell aaronpk I live near karlsruhe… would be nice if we could meet… also planning to go to düsseldorf in may… but ”žplanning“ is a bit hard with a three month year old son ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell aaronpk nice interview for the SCREENGUIDE magazin btw :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell snarfed nice. will have a look at the code to send a pull request if i find a little spare time…
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG pfefferle: Basically, I used the functions and forgot that they were only in the Github version, not the WordPress repository version and a few people got an error.
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pfefferle GWG oh! will have a look at your pull, to include this also! you are a phenomenon… every phpdoc-block has a different format :D
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GWG pfefferle: I was going to ask. I thought I got it 'right' this time. I was trying to match the style of the rest of the file.
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GWG I seem to have a mental block in this area.
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pfefferle GWG I love it :D
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GWG pfefferle: The doc block aside, did I finally match your style for indenting?
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GWG pfefferle: Snarfed had the same comment when I did a pull request for Micropub. I figure I need to work on this behavior, which is why I redid the pull request I had previously submitted.
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pfefferle GWG seems ok, on a first look...
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pfefferle GWG perhaps snarfed and I are a bit pedantic ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I should be able to accommodate that though if you are.
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pfefferle GWG ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I'm single and coming off 4 years of working nights. I have some time to try to become a better programmer.
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GWG And right now, I'm measuring 'better' by the ability to submit pull requests that meet the standards of programmers with more skill than I.
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pfefferle GWG you don’t need correct indents to be a good coder...
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pfefferle GWG but that is really hard work, because every programmer is using different indents…
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pfefferle GWG try to use the PSR format in the near future to simplify things
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barryfrost.com edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+283) "/* Participants */ Adding Barry Frost" (view diff)
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barryf I've managed to organise myself a trip to Boston so planning to attend IWC Cambridge next month.
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barryf My first trip to the US for a while — looking forward to meeting some of you.
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pdurbin man is it cold in Boston
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GWG barryf: Welcome aboard.
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GWG barryf: What airline are you taking?
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GWG pfefferle: I was measuring my ability to work with others.
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barryf GWG: Thanks. I'm flying British Airways
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barryf Coming a little earlier to work out of my company's Boston office for a few days before.
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@adrianshort @PlashingVole We need far more people running their own independently-hosted sites. There are so many risks with using blog farms. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/570222288475451394)
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GWG barryf: I'm planning to be there next month.
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@HerveCaumont RT @_aylien: Microformats Extraction endpoint added to our API. Extract meaning from HTML http://blog.aylien.com/post/111295014148/feature-update-microformats-extraction-added-to #nlproc #indieweb http://t… (twitter.com/_/status/570222456939679744)
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barryf GWG: Great. See you then!
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GWG There. Wanted to note that before I forgot.
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: pfefferle left you a message 2 hours, 21 minutes ago: I live near karlsruhe… would be nice if we could meet… also planning to go to düsseldorf in may… but ”žplanning“ is a bit hard with a three month year old son ;)
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Loqi aaronpk: pfefferle left you a message 2 hours, 20 minutes ago: nice interview for the SCREENGUIDE magazin btw :)
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aaronpk pfefferle: the end of my trip I am flying out of Frankfurt which is not far from Karlsruhe I think!
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aaronpk did the magazine come out already??
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pfefferle aaronpk Frankfurt is not that far away (an hour or so)
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pfefferle aaronpk not yet, but they asked me to help propose some questions for you, thats why I got your answers a bit earlier ;)
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aaronpk ah cool!
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aaronpk I'm looking forward to seeing what I wrote translated into German! I debated trying to write back some of the answers in German but didn't have the time
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pfefferle aaronpk I am also curious… can’t understand why they translate it et all… it is a magazin for webdevelopers and I think they should be able to read an interview in english… ;)
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@davewiner Liveblog: Indieweb and the future of XML. #solid http://reader.liveblog.co/davewiner?id=1424793735000 (twitter.com/_/status/570254746004672512)
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@bullmancuso Liveblog: Indieweb and the future of XML. #solid http://reader.liveblog.co/davewiner?id=1424793735000 (twitter.com/_/status/570256049158156288)
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gRegor` HTML is XML?
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aaronpk <item class="h-entry"> <title class="p-name"> <description class="e-content"> works... just throwing that out there
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gRegor` Meaning XML can be parsed for mf2, correct?
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aaronpk yes, and RSS 2.0 specifically
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gRegor` I was genuinely questioning if "HTML is XML" is correct.
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cweiske no
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cweiske HTML is SGML
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cweiske XHTML is XML
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gRegor` I know in XHTML's case they wanted to go that direction
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cweiske which in turn is SGML
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cweiske so all is SGML
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gRegor` But HTML5 doesn't... iirc
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cweiske you can have xhtml5
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bret.io edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* RSVP */ see everyone there!" (view diff)
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gRegor` Interesting. Is XHTML5 a doctype, or you mean you can make HTML5 XML-strict (or whatever the proper term is?)
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cweiske yes
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cweiske well-formed
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gRegor` Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
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cweiske wait
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cweiske no, right
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gRegor` (I'm referencing Dave Winer's post linked above, just for clarity/logs)
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aaronpk so... turns out you can turn an RSS 2.0 XML file into something that can be parsed with a microformats2 parser by adding a couple classes on the XML elements
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bret wonder what would happened if I ran falcon/cassis through node
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gRegor` aaronpk: That's really cool. I'd never even thought about that possibility
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aaronpk check it out https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/42513a89791f7545500b
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bret aaronpk: does it still pass xml validators?
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gRegor` aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 712 karma
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bret haha cool
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bret I wonder, could atom/rss vocab have an implied mapping to mf2 properties?
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bret so, any rss feed could be consumed with a mf2 parser?
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gRegor` Sure. See /unmung
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aaronpk it doesn't pass the w3.org validator, it says there are unexpected classes
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bret oh yeah... that would be a good place to start
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bret adding implied properties from xml feeds would open the mf parser to all the same issues that actual xml parsers have to deal with
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gRegor` ^ We could probably consolidate /XHTML into /HTML, making it a catch-all for all the types of HTML
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@kylewm2 @limedaring I’m in a community (#indiewebcamp) that uses IRC heavily. I worry/suspect it does discourage participation from women :( (twitter.com/_/status/570263298362355712)
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gRegor` ^ That's an interesting thread: https://twitter.com/limedaring/status/567829946220945408
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@limedaring Do new developers (who have learned how to program in the last year or two) use and feel comfortable with IRC? Especially women? (twitter.com/_/status/567829946220945408)
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aaronpk so much of the IRC arguments are misplaced
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aaronpk yes most IRC clients are ugly and ridiculously hard to configure
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aaronpk IRC has a history of bad behavior from members and many channels still persist that
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rhiaro aaronpk, continuing from #social, but here seems more appropriate; I'm thinking of lumping all my responses into one post on my site for now, otherwise it'd flood my home page. But I notice yours don't show up in your main feed, what criteria do you have to decide what does?
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gRegor` Seems about half of the responses are saying it's the ugly/hard to configure thing.
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aaronpk rhiaro: yeah flooding my main feed was definitely a concern
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aaronpk a while ago I decided to just not show any of my "reply" posts on my home page
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rhiaro aha
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snarfed rhiaro: a number of people here don't put replies, likes, etc on their home page feed
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snarfed e.g. https://snarfed.org/responses
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Loqi snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 18 minutes ago: nice. will have a look at the code to send a pull request if i find a little spare time…
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kylewm I'm more sympathetic to these arguments than to the UX ones (though I think UX matters too) https://twitter.com/elequ/status/567912243486023681
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@elequ @freakboy3742 @limedaring many attempts it's no for me, what Russ said. But funny to stay logged in with girl name -- so much private pings. (twitter.com/_/status/567912243486023681)
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snarfed in other news…updated https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ for the v2.x api, but it's still a shadow of its former self. (it misses lots of posts.) facebook, sigh.
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snarfed (cc kylewm)
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kylewm missing lots of posts from my facebook feed would actually be an improvement, badum-tsh
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snarfed lol
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xavierbadosa.com created /Main_Page-es (+2661) "[es: first draft translated to be reviewed]" (view diff)
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KevinMarks XML is just broken HTML - I realised this looking at some medical XML with Lonnie, and noticed that with web componens and polymer as a polyfill you could make it display properly
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gRegor` Google's favicon script thingy doesn't find bret's apparently ( realized in /Woodwind ) http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=http://bret.io
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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gRegor` Morning, tantek
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bret gRegor`: yeah need to fix that
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bret sry
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tantek bret, or Google does
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gRegor` Not a complaint. I actually didn't think your HTML is wrong.
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bret the B is defiantly for Bret and not Boostrap
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gRegor` Hehe
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bret ;)
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KevinMarks google's thing probbaly predates the modern syntax
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gRegor` I know there's multiple ways to include a favicon and I always have to google it
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tantek gRegor`: that's a sign of a bad "standard"
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gRegor` Feed info and auto-refreshing in /Woodwind? Awesome, kylewm
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gRegor` kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 125 karma
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KevinMarks hm, the 'decorate xml with mf2 calsses" is interesting aaron
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KevinMarks I was thinking about that as an unmung variant for adding classes to arbitrary HTML pages by pattern matching sites
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tantek KevinMarks: what makes it interesting? not just using <div> and <span> ?
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aaronpk tantek: did you see the example I posted?
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tantek ooh /Main_Page-es !
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KevinMarks well, html5 makes XML a subset of HTML. web components mean you can add elements to html
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KevinMarks or rather mappings from arbitrary elements to other HTML
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tantek the IRC UX discussion is interesting
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KevinMarks so you could write web components to unmung XML
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KevinMarks Slack is arguably a success by updating IRC UX
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aaronpk Slack also doesn't have the cultural baggage of IRC
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KevinMarks right, it tries to set new norms, just as we do here (and #joiito did a decade ago)
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gRegor` What is Slack?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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bret slack is whack yo
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tantek KevinMarks: even #joiito had too many jerks and people with bad attitudes towards newbies that largely went unchecked.
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gregorlove.com edited /Slack (+110) "dfn, break out 'experience' section." (view diff)
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gRegor` What is Slack?
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Loqi Slack is a closed-source team communication tool based on IRC https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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tantek somehow a lot of the bad attitudes seemed to be tolerated because they came from "big names"
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gRegor` ^ please revise. I have no experience
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aaronpk I don't know if "based on IRC" is fair
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aaronpk more like "similar to IRC"
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gregorlove.com edited /Slack (+2) "tweak per aaronpk" (view diff)
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KevinMarks time to winer deleting my comment
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tantek URL?
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KevinMarks you won't eb abel to read it
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KevinMarks http://reader.liveblog.co/davewiner?id=1424793735000 then click on comments in the right margin
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gRegor` I see KevinMarks comment in an expandable list on the right of that post, but where is the permalink their source? Or are they local comments?
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KevinMarks winer has a siloed marginalia
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gRegor` Weird interface.
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tantek KevinMarks: what no unmung for comments? ;)
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tantek needsJS;dr
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gRegor` It breaks out each line of your comment? Or is that a UI thing you can control when making the comment?
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aaronpk whoa you can comment on that?
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KevinMarks http://liveblog.co/users/kevinmarks/comments/davewiner/1424793735000.opml
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KevinMarks I haven't written an OPML unmunger yet
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KevinMarks well, not quite true I did write OPML to XOXO at technorati a decade ago
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KevinMarks there we go tantek: http://services.w3.org/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fdecafbad.com%2F2005%2F11%2Fgopher-ng%2Fopml-to-hblogroll.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fliveblog.co%2Fusers%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcomments%2Fdavewiner%2F1424793735000.opml&transform=Submit
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aaronpk lol KevinMarks
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@kevinmarks I commented http://services.w3.org/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fdecafbad.com%2F2005%2F11%2Fgopher-ng%2Fopml-to-hblogroll.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fliveblog.co%2Fusers%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcomments%2Fdavewiner%2F1424793735000.opml&transform=Submit on @davewiner's post about indieweb http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fliveblog.co%2Fusers%2Fdavewiner%2Frss.xml#Indieweb (HTML transforms of his XML) (twitter.com/_/status/570281776238632960)
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tantek nicely done KevinMarks
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KevinMarks oops, I think I overflowed Loqi's buffer
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gRegor` dat URLן
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/570281776238632960
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@kevinmarks I commented http://services.w3.org/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fdecafbad.com%2F2005%2F11%2Fgopher-ng%2Fopml-to-hblogroll.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fliveblog.co%2Fusers%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcomments%2Fdavewiner%2F1424793735000.opml&transform=Submit on @davewiner's post about indieweb http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fliveblog.co%2Fusers%2Fdavewiner%2Frss.xml#Indieweb (HTML transforms of his XML) (twitter.com/_/status/570281776238632960)
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darius.dunlaps.net edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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@davewiner Here's the problem with the IndieWeb guys. To them it has to be X vs Y. They like X, so Y sucks. But the reality is X and Y are independent. (twitter.com/_/status/570291215415046144)
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KevinMarks dave "string them up" winer
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xavierbadosa.com edited /Main_Page-es (+0) "/* Más allá de los blogs y de la descentralización */" (view diff)
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kylewm in case anyone else is confused by KevinMarks's reference :) http://scripting.com/2006/12/20.html##find+a+tree+and+string+them+up
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xavierbadosa.com created /Main_Page-ca (+2633) "[ca: first draft translated to be reviewed]" (view diff)
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xavierbadosa.com edited /Main_Page-es (+0) "/* ¿Qué es la IndieWeb? */" (view diff)
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@brianjesse RT @davewiner: Here's the problem with the IndieWeb guys. To them it has to be X vs Y. They like X, so Y sucks. But the reality is X and Y … (twitter.com/_/status/570297590723579904)
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Loqi [mention] muhh posted 'Ich hab ja wieder mal ne Runde durch alternative “Publishingziele” gemacht und bin wieder hier angelangt. Und habe keine Lust weiter zu pro...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (http://byzero.de/2015/02/24/ich-bleib-hier/)
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@synvila RT @davewiner: Here's the problem with the IndieWeb guys. To them it has to be X vs Y. They like X, so Y sucks. But the reality is X and Y … (twitter.com/_/status/570300225384009728)
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aaronpk is that davewiner tweet a subtweet about KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks yes of course it is
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KevinMarks if someone wants to point out that advocating lynching is his MO not ours, feel free
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aaronpk i'm tempted to send him a link to my example of adding microformats to his RSS feed
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tantek aaronpk unlikely to be a productive dialog based on the current tweets
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bret *=*
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tantek in particular:
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tantek this is ok: "the problem with (insert technology x) ..."
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tantek this is not ok: "the problem with the (inser person or community x) ..."
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tantek s/inser/insert
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Loqi tantek meant to say: this is not ok: "the problem with the (insert person or community x) ..."
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tantek see the difference?
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aaronpk heh yeah
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tantek that's the difference between a positive community that encourages direct and critical discussion of technologies, ideas etc.
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tantek and a person or community based on being against other communities or people
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aaronpk reviews /principles to make sure we have that listed
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tantek aaronpk: pretty sure it's more of a /code-of-conduct thing
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aaronpk well it's not on either page
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kylewm tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 155 karma
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KevinMarks should we add winer's post to /feed ?
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tantek is there a curlable version?
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tantek and what new information does it present?
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@badosa Wrote 1st ver. of @indiewebcamp intro in Spanish & Catalan: https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca 1-word transl. for #selfdogfood? (twitter.com/_/status/570302291837911040)
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tantek nice ^^^
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tantek btw - if anyone finds *anything* on the wiki that is critical of a person or community, let's please fix it to focus on technology or ideas instead.
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KartikPrabhu this RSS vs mf2 is getting old, or is it just me?
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xavierbadosa.com created /User:Xavierbadosa.com (+840) "Created page with "My name is Xavier Badosa and I am the promoter of [http://json-stat.org JSON-stat.org]. JSON-stat is a simple lightweight JSON dissemination format best suited for data visualiza..."" (view diff)
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gRegor` Very, KartikPrabhu.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no, it's just RSS that's old.
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gRegor` instantrimshot.com
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gRegor` mf is approaching adolescence though. :)
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tantek or perhaps I should say, it's just RSS vs. (insert anything else here) that is old
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KartikPrabhu hey gRegor` can I cop out of HWC tomorrow? much work, such busy
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Wow.
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gRegor` Sure, no worries. :)
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KartikPrabhu cool! I try to keep track of things on the channel though
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gRegor` But you have to edit the wiki to cancel it. Mwahaha! jk
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@jmsmcfrlnd @campcreek like reading your content and don't use Facebook. Would this approach appeal to your sentiments: #POSSE https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/570305537495195650)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+58) "/* Details */ cancel Chi" (view diff)
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tantek aw, sorry Chi
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+79) "cancel Chi" (view diff)
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gRegor` Chicago HWC winding down anyway, with my move to Bellingham, WA end of April. :/
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KartikPrabhu oh noes
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KartikPrabhu speaking of RSS/Atom I got a reader update about this: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/2015/02/offline-first-with-sw-precache full with descriptions and what not
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: weird, that link is a 404 for me... but this works http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/02/offline-first-with-sw-precache
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+109) "/* 2002 */ RSS3 spec published by Aaron Swartz" (view diff)
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gRegor` Initially I was editing the FB event to add "CANCELLED" to the headline and update the description, then I noticed the "Cancel Event" link so figured I'd try that.
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gRegor` It just deletes the event, which I half suspected... but not a great UX.
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@benwerd @davewiner I don't think that describes the whole #indieweb community. eg: we want to support anything that will help you own your own site. (twitter.com/_/status/570311202896789504)
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tantek aaronpk - odd re: "not on either page"
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GWG So, I've gone through every browser on my phone and none of them can open Dave Winer's link
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GWG I'm sure I'm not missing much, but...
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GWG If it is X vs Y, I'm not finding Y compelling
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kylewm GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 81 karma
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gRegor` I prefer Z
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GWG gRegor`: Zombies?
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570302291837911040)
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570302291837911040)
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@davewiner RT @benwerd: @davewiner I don't think that describes the whole #indieweb community. eg: we want to support anything that will help you own … (twitter.com/_/status/570313887188443136)
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rhiaro I have just confirmed somewhere to stay for my first few nights in Cambridge before the SocialWG meeting and IWC, but now looking for places 17th to 25th, if anyone knows anyone with a spare couch, or is heading for IWC and wants to share super cheap airbnb etc :)
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GWG rhiaro: I rented a room at the residence Inn for Wednesday through Friday. It has a sofa bed. But I would imagine you might be uncomfortable with a stranger.
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GWG I wouldn't mind recouping part of the bill.
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GWG That goes for anyone.
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rhiaro Thangs GWG, I'll bear that in mind! I aim to couchsurf wherever I go, strangers are friends I haven't met yet :) (my naive/optimistic worldview)
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rhiaro I'm seeking free first, as I haven't been able to persuade my university to cover my travel costs yet, but it's good to know about backups
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rhiaro / options
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GWG Rhiaro, I have references
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rhiaro GWG: are you on couchsurfing/bewelcome?
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@mshook RT @benwerd: @davewiner I don't think that describes the whole #indieweb community. eg: we want to support anything that will help you own … (twitter.com/_/status/570316983029403648)
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GWG No.
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@t 2 more IndieWebCamp translations started Spanish http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es Catalon http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca Thanks @badosa! (ttk.me t4_q1) (twitter.com/_/status/570320538033373185)
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@t @davewiner disagree. critiques of tech “XML is fragile” useful, of people/groups “problem with the IndieWeb guys” not (ttk.me t4_q2) (twitter.com/_/status/570320565929701376)
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@t @benwerd @davewiner indeed. And hence “diversity of approaches & implementations” principle: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles#Plurality (ttk.me t4_q3) (twitter.com/_/status/570320599500918784)
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gRegor` Whoa, Jakob's comments in this thread: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/570311202896789504
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@benwerd @davewiner I don't think that describes the whole #indieweb community. eg: we want to support anything that will help you own your own site. (twitter.com/_/status/570311202896789504)
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/jochmann/status/570315094523043841
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@jochmann @benwerd @davewiner … a bit taken aback reading up on the gospel that I felt is expected for me to subscribe to; not a welcoming vibe, sorry (twitter.com/_/status/570315094523043841)
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gRegor` Not sure how to address that. Inquire what parts were offputting? Invite to IRC to discuss?
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tantek gRegor`: I think both
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tantek or rather, invite suggestions and participation
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tantek and expression of intent
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tantek e.g. we're a friendly bunch and absolutely interested in improving the reading, join us in # indiewebcamp !
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tantek we should do our best to encourage frank feedback about the wiki and suggestions for improvement
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@badosa MT @t: 2 more IndieWebCamp translations started Spanish http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es Catalan http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca Thanks @badosa! (ttk.me t4_q1) (twitter.com/_/status/570326388248412160)
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@gRegorLove @jochmann Hi, Jakob. I'm always interested in improving the indiewebcamp wiki. Love to hear critiques/suggestions. (twitter.com/_/status/570326542137430017)
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@jrobertson RT @davewiner: Here's the problem with the IndieWeb guys. To them it has to be X vs Y. They like X, so Y sucks. But the reality is X and Y … (twitter.com/_/status/570327352971898881)
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@davewiner @t -- indieweb is very narrow, when the actual mission is very broad. (twitter.com/_/status/570327531603173376)
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tantek I don't understand that response at all
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tantek especially since it has nothing to do with what I said!
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/570320565929701376
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@t @davewiner disagree. critiques of tech “XML is fragile” useful, of people/groups “problem with the IndieWeb guys” not (ttk.me t4_q2) (twitter.com/_/status/570320565929701376)
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tantek there's some "actual mission is very broad" that includes critiques of people/groups?!?
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kylewm tantek I think he read your response and only parsed "XML is fragile", that seems to be the only part he is responding to
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kylewm most people are not used to the information density of your tweets ;)
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Loqi [bridgy] Xavier Badosa replied 'MT @t: 2 more IndieWebCamp translations started Spanish indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es Catalan indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca Thanks @bados...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570326388248412160)
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Loqi [bridgy] Xavier Badosa replied 'MT @t: 2 more IndieWebCamp translations started Spanish indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es Catalan indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca Thanks @bados...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570326388248412160)
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@benwerd @davewiner @t Known supports RSS (outgoing; soon incoming). Lots of other projects don't. On the indieweb it's literally personal choice. (twitter.com/_/status/570331275447238658)
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Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca (https://twitter.com/t/status/570320538033373185)
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Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es (https://twitter.com/t/status/570320538033373185)
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@davewiner @benwerd @t -- so ben do you speak for indiewebcamp? (twitter.com/_/status/570331906857807874)
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@benwerd @davewiner @t I don't, but IndieWebCamp is a community of voices. It's not really hierarchical. (twitter.com/_/status/570332345187741697)
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@davewiner @benwerd @t -- I don't think you get how fear of RSS totally dominates the indiewebcamp site. Try reading it with fresh eyes sometime. (twitter.com/_/status/570334123044155393)
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@t @davewiner you're using Twitter. @benwerd & I use our indieweb sites for all notes & replies, copied to feeds+Twitter (ttk.me t4_q4) (twitter.com/_/status/570338596130922496)
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bret tantek: all the likes in your main stream on your website kind of make it noisy. have you considered/are interested in an aside stream like in pump.io? eg https://e14n.com/evan "meanwhile"
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tantek bret - hence my work on improving the presentation for collapsing likes
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bret i literally just scrolled by that note
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+121) "/* Translations */ add es ca" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /other-languages (+123) "add ca es" (view diff)
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tantek which note?
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bret http://tantek.com/2015/047/t1/working-on-design-collapse-likes-same-type-source
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kylewm daaaang I just realized why I haven't been seeing tantek's notes in my reader
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tantek bret that's good feedback
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tantek kylewm: because your reader isn't reading the h-feed?
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kylewm no, it thinks your notes are from 8 hours ago because timezones
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tantek darn it
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tantek that's my bad
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bret if its less work to create a separated stream, maybe it would be a good iterative step, otherwise go with collapsing
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tantek bret - it's never less work to make a separate stream
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tantek that's just procrastination
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bret kylewm: can anyone try woodwind? i've totally lost track of your project
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tantek bret - that's a good example of a note getting lost in presentation amongst a bunch of likes
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kylewm bret: yes absolutely -- http://reader.kylewm.com
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bret a bit :)
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tantek bret - seems I need to do more with type hierarchy of likes vs notes
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tantek so that even (especially?) a *set* of likes does not look just like a note
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kylewm tantek: actually it's a general problem with woodwind right now, posts are sorted by the dt-published date, not the date they were first seen by the reader... since feeds are polled 1x/hour staggered, you'll often get a post from 20 minutes ago before one from 50 minutes ago
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tantek interesting
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kylewm and it also means that the live/dynamic updates are sometimes inserted in a different order than they would be otherwise
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tantek yeah I think date-seen is an important one
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tantek to keep track of
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bret kylewm: this is awesome!
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kylewm tantek: seen by a human or seen by the application?
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tantek both
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tantek seen by a human = dt-read
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kylewm bret: thanks! don't miss the settings page for reply mechanisms
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tantek seen by the app = dt-received
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tantek just making those up
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tantek they should have dt-x-
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bret kylewm: gitpub is all broken, and put off till I get a job
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kylewm aw gitpub :(
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bret its in its awkward turning modularization stage.
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bret https://medium.com/the-story/new-ways-to-write-and-read-on-medium-4c54e5eb6a3e
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bret medium adopts notes hehe
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tantek.com edited /River4 (+135) "highlight examples from independents above demo example, subhead features, "how to", "install"" (view diff)
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tantek ooh I like this summary: https://twitter.com/slamteacher/status/568821669277487104
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@slamteacher "Build what you need. Use what you build." @redwards7 quoting @jseelybrown #eLearning2015 (twitter.com/_/status/568821669277487104)
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@adactio @badosa Thank you for the @indiewebcamp translations—much appreciated. (twitter.com/_/status/570355307727073280)
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loqi.me created /XML (+153) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570302291837911040)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es (https://twitter.com/badosa/status/570302291837911040)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Keith replied '@badosa Thank you for the @indiewebcamp translations—much appreciated.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca (https://twitter.com/adactio/status/570355307727073280)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Keith replied '@badosa Thank you for the @indiewebcamp translations—much appreciated.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es (https://twitter.com/adactio/status/570355307727073280)
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tantek gRegor`: any suggestions come out of that thread about IRC?
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gRegor` I didn't mention IRC in my note to @jochmann
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gRegor` Haven't heard a reply yet
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gRegor` Since he said what he read wasn't welcoming vibe, I figured I'd just start with the prompt for feedback.
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@kevinmarks "@davewiner: @benwerd @t -- the real problem is all the ideas and knowledge flowing into silos that should be on the open web." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/570362904836382720)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+217) "add John Seely Brown summary expression" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk do you have a way of showing all your replies to a particular URL or parent path? e.g. like this reply https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/02/22/23/w3c
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: GWG: just learned about https://unhangout.media.mit.edu/ ... seems custom made for IWC Online, if we do another one
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