#indiewebcamp 2015-02-12

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KevinMarks_ I get iPhone users sending me blue bubbles that I don't see cos they show up on the Mac, and I'm on my phone
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aaronpk haha yeah that is a problem
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kylewm aaronpk: it's not that weird... that color green is really unpleasant!
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aaronpk i actually don't text people from my iphone number, i use google voice for texting non-iphone people
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KevinMarks_ They were all green before
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kylewm @ftrain says it was a friendlier milder green tho
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kylewm ?
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KevinMarks_ Mind you, I also get people texting me and I don't see cos I'm on wifi, or the Mac or something
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aaronpk http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--fiPIAwdz--/17ir4k8mqq23hjpg.jpg
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aaronpk and they were shiny before ios 7 or whatever
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aaronpk http://i-cms.journaldunet.com/image_cms/original/1800025-les-sms.jpg
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kylewm they should just start administering minor shocks when you receive SMS
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GWG Acegiak, yes it should
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acegiak hmmm
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GWG I never changed that code from the original version
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acegiak GWG, yeah I'm just figuring out my webmentions
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GWG I don't reply as much as I'd like to.
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@rhiaro Thanks everyone for listening to me talk about #indieweb @techmeetup tonight! (twitter.com/_/status/565668907265323008)
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@rhiaro Wanna thank @tef for the reminder that #indieweb is a domain of the privileged with a long way to go to inclusivity... But it is a start. (twitter.com/_/status/565668982007799809)
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@acegiak testing webmentions - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7645/ (twitter.com/_/status/565670745645514753)
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acegiak GWG: ah, so, the problem is the publish_post hook being shitty
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acegiak cause I changed that other one to transition_post_status
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GWG acegiak: Pull requests always appreciated.
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acegiak GWG: working on it
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acegiak transition_post_status is just way more control over when things happen. I'll just do pull requests for the adjustments
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@acegiak more webmention testing - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7647/ (twitter.com/_/status/565673009990877184)
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@acegiak further testing of webmentions - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7649/ (twitter.com/_/status/565674068738076672)
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@acegiak I apologise for my webmention testing - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7651/ (twitter.com/_/status/565674794725937153)
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@acegiak maybe last webmention test? - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7653/ (twitter.com/_/status/565675224969252864)
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acegiak GWG: the webmention function wasn't updated for the new meta structure >.<
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acegiak I'll do a pull request once I've tested it working
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@acegiak extra webmentions test - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7655/ (twitter.com/_/status/565676960136065025)
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GWG acegiak: I never noticed? Darn
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acegiak working! yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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acegiak GWG: like you said, you don't reply much :P
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GWG acegiak: I want to. Need to make it easier
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acegiak whisperfollow makes it pretty easy for me
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acegiak also my bookmarklet
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acegiak GWG: install prepoppost
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acegiak and then replace acegiak.net in this bookmarklet : http://pastebin.com/t3KT14UA
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gRegor` Hello from Chicago HWC
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acegiak oh hi!
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GWG I see it now. You want me to wait for your pull request or fix it?
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benwerd_ wonders if SF HWC will think him rude if he gets food from the Iron Cactus
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acegiak GWG: I'm about to send the pull
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GWG Ok
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acegiak GWG: pull sent
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@kevinmarks @OhMeadhbh http://indiewebcamp.com is here for your distributed social things (twitter.com/_/status/565681357171736576)
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GWG acegiak: You tested that?
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GWG I saw you sending webmentions?
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GWG I'll be making some additional changes and pushing an update
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acegiak GWG: yeah this worked: http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/kyle-mahan-read-the-definition-of-bimonthly-httpwww-merriam-webster-comdictionarybimonthly-and-then-maybe-lets-agree-to-not-use-it-anymore/
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acegiak GWG: cool
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GWG acegiak: I know what a fortnight is
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GWG I need help with improving the description.
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acegiak of the plugin?
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GWG Yes
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GWG For newbies.
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acegiak yeah, tricky
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KevinMarks the iron cactus and the creamery are essentially the same place
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GWG KevinMarks: Got a minute? You helped last time
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KevinMarks hi, what's up?
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GWG KevinMarks: Trying to describe Indieweb Post Kinds as a plugin
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KevinMarks show me the text you have, I'll have a go
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GWG https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/
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GWG It's not so good. I've been rewriting it
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KevinMarks it's plumbing first again
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KevinMarks explain why they would want it because of what it does
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acegiak well I'm pretty goddamn pleased with myself. For a mornings work I've fixed webmentions and got my site looking all purdy
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KevinMarks acegiak++
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Loqi acegiak has 8 karma
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GWG acegiak: Glad I could contribute
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acegiak GWG: I might be able to give you some help later but for the moment I've got to get some real work done
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KevinMarks "Post Kinds adds support for responding to and interacting with other sites using the standards developed by IndieWebCamp. The standards work through simple microformats2 markup of the site and webmentions to allow sites to communicate with each other."
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acegiak nice
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Loqi [bridgy] virginie galindo favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/565681357171736576)
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KevinMarks Post Kinds makes it clear when your post is a reply, a like or an RSVP to someone else's post. It can also distinguish notes, articles and photos.
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Loqi [bridgy] pare/pear programmer replied '@kevinmarks coolio. thinking it might involve DNSSEC &amp; TXT Records, so... yay!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/OhMeadhbh/status/565686654934208513)
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KevinMarks To send replies, likes and RSVPs, use the _webmention_ plugin. To show them on your posts, use _semantic linkbacks_. If you install the _indieweb_ plugin, you get all of these.
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KevinMarks Then mention indiewebcamp, microformats and the other buzzwords
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KevinMarks does it alter display too, or dose that need template support?
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@kevinmarks RT @tef: @benwerd fwiw alhough known has indieweb bits it does seem to try and be a low hassle way to self publish, which is neat (twitter.com/_/status/565689463851204608)
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GWG How's this?
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GWG = How does it work? =
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GWG 1. Bob wants to reply to Sue on his own website.
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GWG 2. Sue enables webmentions on her site.
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GWG 3. Bob creates a post and sets it as a reply to Sue's post.
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GWG 4. A webmention is sent to Sue's site, and stored as a comment on Sue's post.
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GWG KevinMarks: It does somewhat. To show context
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KevinMarks that's good after the top mater I sent
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KevinMarks also, this markup is good even without webmentions for indexing purposes
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KevinMarks knowing that your post was a like or reply means you could filter it out of articles view for example
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KevinMarks or a crawler could reconstruct the thread
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KevinMarks hangouts is green on android fwiw
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GWG https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/
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GWG Better?
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KevinMarks "in a manner similar to post formats.." is a bit unclear to me - is that a WPism
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GWG Post Formats is a WordPress thing
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GWG http://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Formats
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KevinMarks so link that
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Loqi [bridgy] salomao favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation#Why (https://twitter.com/t/status/563440155642458112)
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GWG https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/screenshots/
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GWG Better?
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GWG Now, acegiak, can I trouble you for an endorsement?
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GWG kylewm: Thanks again for being the poster child for my work.
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kylewm :D
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tantek greetings from SYD
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmust left you a message on 2/11 at 4:44am: no e-mail from Sandro or anyone else
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours ago: I believe RSS2.0 . that is Django default
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bret pdx is on!
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bret 18:38 <bret> aaronpk: doing intros
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bret 18:38 <bret> HWC pdx meeds every other weeks except this last winter, where it was spotty
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bret doing brodcast
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bret not going to link up with SF tonight
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tantek anyone broadcasting?
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aaronpk bret: bret.io
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aaronpk jekyll website hosting on github pages
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aaronpk an automated git workflow that posts to the blog
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aaronpk supports micropub for posting and also accepts webmentinos through webmention.io which i'm trying to get off of
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aaronpk lately been working at PSU and indieweb projects have been put on hold
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aaronpk Q: are there any limitations of being on github pages?
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aaronpk A: yes lots, the jekyll gem has been changing a lot
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aaronpk (tantek i forgot my logitech today)
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tantek aaropnk - what no ESRI R&D HQ Logitech? ;)
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aaronpk Q: so you're able to receive webmentions right now?
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aaronpk (I don't want to talk about it ;) )
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aaronpk A: yeah I could change that to accept webmentions on my own, but just using webmention.io right now and displaying through JS
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aaronpk brian hendrickson:
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aaronpk used to be a high school coach and noticed all the high school kids were on myspace
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aaronpk was working on a ruby on rails thing and wanted it to talk to a php site
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aaronpk found evan pro's open microblogger
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aaronpk he had this site called identica, had thousands of sites running this software
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aaronpk so i've been making lots of dorky toys for sites to talk to each other
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+177) "/* Tantek */ implemented RSVP maybe remote" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+127) "/* RSVP */ added support for maybe remote" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewm2: I'm at https://kylewm.com/ - I've been working on a reader at http://reader.kylewm.com which was just for but got users (twitter.com/_/status/565704031310716928)
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aaronpk 7 people at pdx meetup tonight btw
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aaronpk andrew livesay:
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewm2: it's a basic reader that only polls once an hour, but i'm finding it useful (twitter.com/_/status/565704204745199616)
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aaronpk i've never been online in a non-anonymous way
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aaronpk in 1997 i had a version of slashdot running, it was my first blog
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tantek Tantek's remote update for tonight's HWC: I added support for "maybe" RSVP replies to /Falcon
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tantek remotely participating from Sydney Airport :)
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aaronpk i tried to get my friends interested in it but they weren't very interested
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aaronpk i was part of the BBS version fo the interent
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewm2: I was thinking about adopting publishing your subscriptions on your own site so you could move between readers (twitter.com/_/status/565704368331423744)
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aaronpk i really miss a lot of aspects of that, hoipefully not just in a romanticized way
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aaronpk like the locality of it, only being connected with the people in my area code
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aaronpk some of these projects i'm seeing [on indiewebcamp] now remind me of these days
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aaronpk still not sold on the idea of andrewlivesay.com
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aaronpk i dont think i have anbything interesting to say
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aaronpk i have a twitter account but dont really use it
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm still hacking on http://svgur.com which lets you uplaod svg's to embed. (twitter.com/_/status/565704929076322306)
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aaronpk i still email, i send really long emails nad people are like wtf
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: shipped a few things - micropub for wordpress being one - I'm not good at PHP or wordpress, but it works (twitter.com/_/status/565705106528960512)
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aaronpk paragraphs are things you can write, where you separate blocks of text
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I shipped ownyourcheckins like ownyourgram, to PESOS checkins (twitter.com/_/status/565705200368111616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we may need to remove facebook publish from brid.gy as we don't get consistent facebook post ids form API 2.0 (twitter.com/_/status/565705356996009984)
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aaronpk i work at the public library right now, interested in SSO right now
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aaronpk right now the industry standard is you use this third-party reverse proxy system. none of them use oauth or anything
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: POSSE is the 'right' way to do it - PESOS is 2nd class - for likes/retweets this is less true - 1 or 2 taps for them (twitter.com/_/status/565705558846881792)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: to do an indie like or retweet is noticably more effort than the silo way, especially if it's just a silo post (twitter.com/_/status/565705737482276864)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: so ownyourresponses pulls the silo likes and responses and posts via micropub (twitter.com/_/status/565705896362516480)
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aaronpk evan: genitag.org
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aaronpk it's not my personal site, i mean it's a personal site
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aaronpk it's a site i made personaly, from scratch myself
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: if you do the action in the silo and the indiepost shows up in seconds is that bad? (twitter.com/_/status/565706219944701953)
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aaronpk one of the problems this community has had, is there's a lot of inefficiencies, there's a few peopel who do a lot of work
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aaronpk there's really only facebook to post events
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: it may discourage you from likeing non-silo posts though? (twitter.com/_/status/565706270381191170)
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aaronpk so if people aren't on facebook they won't find the evente
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aaronpk so i made an event posting site, inspired by calagtor, that hs the least amount of friction possible to post events
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I don't end up interacting with google+ posts because ti is effort, i'd liek it in a reader ui that is shared (twitter.com/_/status/565706429601165312)
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aaronpk you can make an account, make a profile, then post events edit and flag
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: if you see an instagram photo that you want to like in your reader, it is still a lot of taps (twitter.com/_/status/565706550858485760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: in principle the indiereader could do one tap likes, but in practice it is harder. (twitter.com/_/status/565707077684047872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: i use the twitter client more than the known client, so this is a useful thing to do. (twitter.com/_/status/565707226967715840)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: fun with APIs - since last time we can connect to infinite accounts on each silo -users on twitter, accounts+pages on fb (twitter.com/_/status/565707600768286720)
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acegiak GWG: review posted for you
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acegiak tantek: oh hey, this is the first time I've been in the same country as another IWCer
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acegiak oh, he's off
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acegiak lol
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: having an enormous amount of fun with the facebook api - trying to get OG tags to share an image from the post (twitter.com/_/status/565708223697920001)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we have to prime the fb cache with the image to know that it will show up - but it is not deterministic (twitter.com/_/status/565708393659523073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we got whitelisted for twitter cards too, which is positive (twitter.com/_/status/565708555362525185)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: our free users will get twitter cards but the whtelisting is per domain (twitter.com/_/status/565708906023116804)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: every time I remember to post to google+ I get great responses (twitter.com/_/status/565709050265219072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JoshuaDuran: I want to promote http://freemount.com - I can now tell the user running the fileserver and an anon user, (twitter.com/_/status/565709336031551490)
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KevinMarks acegiak is tantek within 1000 miles?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JoshuaDuran: you will be able to use the filesystem as an API too (twitter.com/_/status/565709604987101188)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: People were asking me why I have so many domains - I deleted a lot of things that I need to bring back (twitter.com/_/status/565709813620146178)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: my site is erinjo.is because at the time Known didn't support otehr domains, so I can fix this soon (twitter.com/_/status/565710009582243841)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: I learned that adblock can kill fonts - the adblockers destroy the social icons font we are using (twitter.com/_/status/565710320505991170)
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aaronpk alexlinkser.com up next
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: when we have the buttons to connect to social networks, adblockers remove the twitter/fb buttons (twitter.com/_/status/565710555802255360)
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@Shoq RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: i use the twitter client more than the known client, so this is a useful thing to do. (twitter.com/_/status/565710572579463169)
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tantek_ acegiak I'm on via web IRC UI now :)
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tantek_ how many at HWC SF?
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aaronpk i like php and wordpress, if you visit a web page you can send a password and web page you visited from
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aaronpk so people can see how to get in touch with you and can use the pw to send you a message
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the block lists are published by the adblockers and they charge to be removed (twitter.com/_/status/565710821637259264)
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KevinMarks 6 of us
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tantek_ hey I heard PDX had 7
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aaronpk was runing on my site but has been a while
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dariusdunlap I’ve been lurking. Nothing to report. :-)
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KevinMarks are you here dd?
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@acegiak any #indiewebcamp people POSSEing to g+ with php? How do> - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/12/7663/ (twitter.com/_/status/565711124440834051)
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dariusdunlap I’m at home.
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KevinMarks acegiak: short answer - you can't
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tantek_ what is g+?
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Loqi Google+ (AKA Google Plus, GPlus, or G+) is both a social content hosting silo operated by Google, similar in many respects to Facebook, and a centralized Google identity service for other Google services like YouTube https://indiewebcamp.com/G%2B
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aaronpk tylergillies:
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tantek_ acegiak: https://indiewebcamp.com/G%2B#POSSE
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KevinMarks long answer - you can post to the moments api which is not displayed until user approves
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aaronpk tylergillies.club
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tantek_ KevinMarks if you know more about POSSEing to G+, can you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/G%2B#POSSE please? Thanks!
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KevinMarks or you can use the G+ share buttons
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tantek_ acegiak - perhaps you can add what you learn to https://indiewebcamp.com/G%2B#POSSE also
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aaronpk http://kodumulo.withknown.com/
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aaronpk a Known site
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acegiak hmm. I didn't realise SNAP was screen scraping. dang
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we need to change the way syndication works with a preview and post ui (twitter.com/_/status/565711709948874754)
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acegiak tantek_: you're a mere 1400 kms away :P
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aaronpk next thing i want to do: a chrome plugin which reads the site youre on to see if it supppoorts webmention, so it will add a button to the article you can click to reply to it from your site
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tantek_ kevinmarks, erinjo, re: adblockers removing social media buttons, I had a problem with adblock+ removing some of the icons I was using for my /webactions fallbacks to Twitter (was hotlinking from Twitter's dev site)
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tantek_ I may have to sign-off soon
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bret some of the adblock filters filter that stuff
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tantek_ what is adblock?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "adblock" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=adblock&summary=%28prompted+by+tantek_+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-11/line/1423711237751%29
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bret also, fresh new adblock plus competitor: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock develops a bit more out in the open
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tantek_ benwerd, re: getting whitelisted for Twitter cards being good news - but isn't it bad to buy into / support a link-preview system based on whitelisting? nevermind the proprietary metacrap
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@Shoq RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: our free users will get twitter cards but the whtelisting is per domain (twitter.com/_/status/565712769329414144)
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tantek__ fun seeing everyone chat from Thursday afternoon in Sydney
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tantek__ off for now, back Thursday morning in SF :)
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bret https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/11/the_social_graph_is_neither/
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acegiak So I'm fiddling with the idea of having screenshots I take in games automatically post to my blog.
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acegiak but I often take a couple in the space of a few minutes trying to get a good one
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acegiak I think this might be a good time for a kupfer plugin
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bret http://hyperboot.org/ versioned websites via cache.manafest
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aaronpk question: if "RSS" meant "really simple syndication", what did the "syndication" mean? where were people syndicating to?
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tantek_ aaronpk, the duplicate feed file itself is the syndication destination
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sandro As I understood it at the time, "syndication" meant that site A provided some news-y content and site B would display it. For example, a site about jugglers in the USA might cross-syndicate with a site about jugglers in the Europe, so they could each have more news. This is what the old-media calls syndication, right? See Print Syndication and Web Syndication, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndication
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tantek_ hey sandro! can you sync up with ben_thatmust regarding IWC Cambridge hosting/room details in March?
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sandro Not unilaterally, no. :-) I'm not likely to be on IRC much the next two weeks, so email is best. We're in the same room as last time, 32-D463 (aka "Star").
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tantek_ awesome thanks! do we have another room or two for additional small discussions?
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tantek_ sandro, re: email is best, ben_thatmust said he emailed you and didn't hear back: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-11/line/1423658668566 maybe check spam folder(s)/trash?
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tantek_ what is IWC Cambridge?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/IWC_Cambridge
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sandro tantek_, I think that was about the IE invitation...
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sandro (which got sorted out)
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aaronpk photo from pdx tonight: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/16505830702/ (wil upload to wiki later)
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tantek_ sandro - thanks - sorry about the confusion.
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tantek_ was there a photo taken at SF?
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tantek_ benwerd? kylewm? kevinmarks?
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tantek.com edited /2015/Cambridge (-112) "venue, building, main room confirmed with Sandro" (view diff)
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tantek_ hmm - they just brought the plane back to the gate, and a mechanic is inspecting something fuel line related in one of the wheel wells.
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sandro tantek_, how much other room space should I reserve? The building is getting pretty booked, so I hate to reserve more than we'll use.
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sandro also, which time slots.
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tantek_ one additional small conference room (5-6 people capacity) should be sufficient, as we were able to use the open seating areas for smaller discussions (2-4 people)
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tantek_ checking on timeslots...
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@schnarfed RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: shipped a few things - micropub for wordpress being one - I'm not good at PHP or wordpress, but it wo… (twitter.com/_/status/565722354064826368)
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tantek_ looks
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tantek_ at https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge
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tantek_ sandro, looks like 12:00-18:00 each day (Th F) should be sufficient for a 2nd smaller room for breakout sessions
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sandro Done, Tantek, rm 32-312 booked 12:00-18:00. It's a 14-people-around-a-table room.
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sandro (both days)
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tantek_1 thanks sandro!
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tjgillies aaronpk: I have an Esperanto translation for indie web. Retmemstaro. Means internet independent. Or self standing
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tjgillies leofseige: yo :)
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leofseige tjgillies: saluton
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tjgillies leofseige: vi parolu Esperanton!
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aaronpk "I just sent myself a woof" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wfG8ngFvPk
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@aaronpk New #indieweb business model? "I just sent myself a Woof" https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/565742713073446912)
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aaronpk i stil don't understand why loqi follows that URL wrong
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aaronpk i just read about rss cloud
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aaronpk sad that most of the links from http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/rss-in-the-clouds/ are dead
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aaronpk http://www.bloglines.com/ http://newsriver.org/river2
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tjgillies aaronpk: Brian and I have been trying to evangelise RSS cloud for years
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aaronpk PuSH 0.4 pretty much solves things tho
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aaronpk i totaly agree that the original PuSH was less than ideal
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tjgillies This was before PuSH was invented
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aaronpk i'm sure
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tjgillies Read write web is mentioned in that article
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tjgillies Hell yeah
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aaronpk aww
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tjgillies Internet makes me feel old sometimes
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tjgillies The linked article was written by Marshall lololol
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tjgillies Small world
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tjgillies http://readwrite.com/2009/09/07/wordpress_just_made_millions_of_blogs_real-time_wi
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tjgillies "There is currently only one RSS aggregator that supports RSSCloud, Dave Winer's brand-new reader River2"
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acegiak ok! so now whenever I take a screenshot I can hit akeyboard shortcut afterwards to copy that into my "waiting to be uploaded" directory" and then when I've got all the ones I want i can use kupfer to run a script to compress them all and upload them into a draft wordpress post
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: nice work on screenshot flow
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KartikPrabhu acegiak++
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Loqi acegiak has 9 karma
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KartikPrabhu I suppose one could do the same for photo collections
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acegiak KartikPrabhu: yeah definitely. for me it was mostly about being able to do spur of the moment photo posting while gaming the same as posting photos from my phone while I'm out and about
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KartikPrabhu yes. nice idea.
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KartikPrabhu very nice indeed
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snarfed huh. maybe net split earlier, or loqi was offline
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: where you at?
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Loqi dude
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KartikPrabhu oh hai Loqi
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snarfed anyway. WordPress micropub plugin supports more properties now and delegates token mgmt to indieauth
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub
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snarfed submitted to the wp.org plugin directory
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snarfed it'll show up at https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/ eventually
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@Pand0ra83 RT @tef: it's weird when the indieweb history lesson pretends aol, compuserve didn't exist and the social network lockin is modern (twitter.com/_/status/565791849659789312)
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@steltenpower RT @tef: it's weird when the indieweb history lesson pretends aol, compuserve didn't exist and the social network lockin is modern (twitter.com/_/status/565795418903433216)
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@johnnieingram Great talk from @rhiaro at @techmeetup last night. Now I have to completely rewrite my website to make it #indieweb IndyMark-compliant. (twitter.com/_/status/565801366791020544)
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@rhiaro RT @johnnieingram: Great talk from @rhiaro at @techmeetup last night. Now I have to completely rewrite my website to make it #indieweb Indy… (twitter.com/_/status/565801662330052609)
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@kevinmarks RT @johnnieingram: Great talk from @rhiaro at @techmeetup last night. Now I have to completely rewrite my website to make it #indieweb Indy… (twitter.com/_/status/565803355927109633)
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@bcf_ant RT @tef: it's weird when the indieweb history lesson pretends aol, compuserve didn't exist and the social network lockin is modern (twitter.com/_/status/565810097524584448)
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@LovedayBrooke RT @tef: it's weird when the indieweb history lesson pretends aol, compuserve didn't exist and the social network lockin is modern (twitter.com/_/status/565840222672678912)
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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@Freerange_Inc years of @Pinboard references finally coming together into a (hopefully well read) PhD #makermovement #opendata #indieweb #P2P (twitter.com/_/status/565843338977615872)
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GWG Good morning, all
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pfefferle good morning GWG
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GWG Hello, pfefferle.
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GWG Anything new there?
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pfefferle GWG I thought we wait until snarfeds plugin is accepted bye wordpress.org before releasing a new version of indieweb plugin?!?
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GWG He submitted it?
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pfefferle he said sop
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pfefferle -p
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pfefferle GWG https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/commit/8be666489a00e1b3164502bb8b33667d61ea0346
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GWG I know it was on his TODO list.
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GWG pfefferle: I have to figure out what is next for me.
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petermolnar good morning, indieweb
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petermolnar is anyone here POSSEing to 500px?
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GWG Good morning, petermolnar
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GWG barnabywalters: I forgot to answer your question of yesterday. I want to have a simple endpoint that opens up a simple alternate posting UI for reply/like/bookmark...Just a post button and a textbox. Everything else is preset. It would encourage me to interact more
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@EThompson_22 #griffinpride @rockECHSprin These fabulous S's asked 2 go 2 the learning center 4 tutoring!!! #ownyourdata #success https://twitter.com/EThompson_22/status/565872082635223043/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/565872082635223043)
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gRegor` Python people: any resources you recommend to learn Python, for people totally new to programming? I was thinking http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ since I've heard good things about the 'hard way' series.
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KitB gRegor`: I typically point people at http://www.codecademy.com/
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KitB I'm looking for better things if anyone knows any
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Loqi [mention] Marcus Povey posted 'So, a few months ago, Flickr decided to change their terms and conditions so that they could sell your Creative Commons photos. This got a l...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfooding (https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/02/12/import-your-flickr-photos-into-known/)
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@davewiner Liveblog: Broadening the "IndieWeb" process. http://reader.liveblog.co/davewiner?id=1423755892000 (twitter.com/_/status/565904343430602753)
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@hmans Ich möchte auf dem Webmontag Hamburg etwas über Pants und das IndieWeb erzählen. Mit wem muss ich schlafen? (twitter.com/_/status/565904516965740544)
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kylewm gRegor`: a friend of mine who is learning python posted about Lpthw and some other resources http://codingwithkniv.es/2015/01/22/learning-python-reflections-and-new-directions/
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kylewm the Jessica McKellar video in particular is a really great introduction, it's ~3 hours
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@bullmancuso Liveblog: Broadening the "IndieWeb" process. http://reader.liveblog.co/davewiner?id=1423755892000 (twitter.com/_/status/565906584354959360)
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gRegor` Thanks KitB, kylewm. Passed along those links.
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gRegor` Maybe /Python#Resources would be a good idea?
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gRegor` And for other language pages.
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@aaronpk @johnnieingram @rhiaro @techmeetup haha hopefully not *completely* rewrite! Should only take adding a couple of CSS classes! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/565909851289571328)
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kylewm LPTHW felt very old fashioned (i guess by design)... like she had gone through 20 lessons and they were still doing variables and print statements
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@johnnieingram @aaronpk @rhiaro I need a webmentions endpoint and all that gubbins, too. I've got the bit between my teeth now. I'm going the full hog. (twitter.com/_/status/565910977468981250)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@johnnieingram @rhiaro Should be fun! Feel free to join IRC if you have any questions! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta (https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/02/12/2/)
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gRegor` Hmm, bunch of Bridgy Facebook wm re-sent yesterday
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@joeld Last call, here's how to ditch Typekit and Google Fonts, speed up your site and go all #indieweb with your webfonts: http://www.thenotepad.org/blog/how-to-encode-webfonts (twitter.com/_/status/565921654136504322)
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@aaronpk @joeld This is awesome, thanks! No more "waiting for http://t.co/MmkbwY09cU..." I hope! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/565921929467412480)
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tommorris gRegor`: any of the Python tutorials are pretty good. my take on learning to code - https://tommorris.org/posts/2543
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KartikPrabhu my take on learning to code (or anything really) is to pick something to make, run into things you don't know, scour the web (or other resources) to solve that problem, rinse repeat.
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KartikPrabhu This way you are making something, while learning
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KartikPrabhu e.g.: all the python I know is from making my website. For the longest time I didn't know how to make lists, but I learnt it when it was needed
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gRegor` Thanks, tommorris
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@jodyg RT @sandeepshetty: Facebook suspending Native Americans over ‘fake’ names http://rt.com/usa/231187-facebook-suspending-native-americans/ #indieweb #ownyouridentity (twitter.com/_/status/565925038608502784)
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snarfed gRegor`: sorry for the bridgy dupes
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snarfed benwerd reported the same thing yesterday
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snarfed i'll look
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/363
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gRegor` snarfed: I can provide some sample bridgy URLs if you need them
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snarfed thanks! that'd be great, add them to the issue
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gRegor` Looks like it's different author URLs
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snarfed 2.x api strikes again probably
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@duncanaitken RT @sandeepshetty: Facebook suspending Native Americans over ‘fake’ names http://rt.com/usa/231187-facebook-suspending-native-americans/ #indieweb #ownyouridentity (twitter.com/_/status/565928254058397696)
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gRegor` facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -8 karma
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kylewm snarfed: does twitter publish do the thing where it conditionally adds a link only if the text was truncated?
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gRegor` snarfed: added links from my logs. The originals are from June, so probably deleted - giving 404
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snarfed kylewm: no
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snarfed gRegor`: oh wow, they're that far apart? huh
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gRegor` I haven't gone through everything. Might be everything since June, which isn't a lot for me.
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gRegor` Looks like about 30
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bret here's a nice quote from when choosing how to write Dive into python 3: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2009/03/27/dive-into-history-2009-edition "Related to the previous point, HTML is not an output format. HTML is The Format. Not The Format Of Forever, but damn if it isn’t The Format Of The Now."
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snarfed btw kylewm, i have no new opinions since last night, so i say go ahead w/the twitter link change and a-u test!
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@aswath @jefffishburn @openid @ve7jtb Will any of them allow for "Dynamic Client Registration". If so that will be good for IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/565933185180385280)
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@gasull . @SandstormIO demo: have your own cloud and install apps on it like you do with iTunes or Google Play https://demo.sandstorm.io/demo #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/565944728739672064)
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pdurbin paulproteus: someone said sandstorm :)
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MagicFab_ millette, o/ sorry I couldn't make it last night at Montreal's meeting
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millette we're planning another meeting in a month
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millette (not every 2 weeks per HWC-usual)
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millette we were 4 people in Montreal, a bit all over the place but hey, it was a start :-)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@kylewm2 @davewiner I stubbed a page on the wiki for https://indiewebcamp.com/River4 . Edits/improvmnts from users are welcome! @kevinmarks @julien51 @aaron… (twitter.com/_/status/565956683071905792)
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan commented '@davewiner I stubbed a page on the wiki for indiewebcamp.com/River4. Edits/improvmnts from users are welcome! Kevin Marks @julien51 Aaron Pa...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/River4 (https://kylewm.com/2015/02/davewiner-i-stubbed-a-page-on-the-wiki-for-https)
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GWG I'm still trying to get around to trying the micropub plugin for WordPress. Can it authenticate using WordPress instead of indieauth?
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aaronpk GWG: that doesn't make sense
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aaronpk micropub clients like readers or posting apps are going to be expecting indieauth
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aaronpk they're going to send an access token with the request which the micropub endpoint has to verify
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aaronpk what could change (and should at some point) with the current version of the plugin is that it could be rewritten so that you stay on your own site the whole time instead of going to indieauth.com
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kylewm explaaaain
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aaronpk that would involve first creating a token endpoint in the plugin http://indiewebcamp.com/token-endpoint
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aaronpk and then creating an authorization endpoint http://indiewebcamp.com/authorization-endpoint
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aaronpk (that last one is a really short stub right now sorry)
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aaronpk i've set up indieauth.com and tokens.indieauth.com as an authorization endpoint and token endpoint as a service which makes it easier to bootstrap this stuff
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aaronpk but it's expected that people will replace their use of those with their own built-in services later
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GWG Has anyone?
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aaronpk yes i can't remember who
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kylewm so basically, it could authenticate via wordpress but it doesn't now
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aaronpk the *user* could authenticate via wordpress
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GWG Kylewm, that is what I would prefer
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aaronpk instead of on indieauth.com
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aaronpk the apps don't care because in the end the apps just get an access token
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aaronpk either way
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snarfed GWG: have you tried the micropub plugin? did it work for you?
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kylewm GWG: cweiske has written an authorization endpoint, several people including me have written token endpoints
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GWG Snarfed, I need to try it.
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snarfed please do!
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aaronpk kylewm: hmm could you add an "Indieweb Examples" section with yourself? http://indiewebcamp.com/token-endpoint
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GWG I was working on my own plugin which launched this week
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GWG Snarfed, did you submit to the official repository yet?
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snarfed kylewm++ for the river4 stub. i would have been meaner and told him to make it himself as a show of good faith :P
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snarfed GWG: yes
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GWG I will try it out tonight. My weekend is Friday/Saturday
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GWG Snarfed, what is still on your to do list?
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snarfed GWG: for micropub? or otherwise?
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GWG Snarfed, specifically for micropub. But I'm always interested in otherwise
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kylewm snarfed: haha thanks, i'm trying to handle this situation with kid gloves
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snarfed micropub needs support for more props. photo, timestampes, etc
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Loqi nice
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snarfed and also its own token mgmt like aaronpk mentioned
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snarfed feel free to send PRs!
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GWG Snarfed, parsing has always been a weakness of mine
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GWG But this looks like I might get it
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GWG But only one question
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Loqi [bridgy] Dave Winer ☮ favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/River4 (https://twitter.com/kylewm2/status/565956683071905792)
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Loqi [bridgy] Dave Winer ☮ replied '@kylewm2 @kevinmarks @julien51 @aaron -- groups.google.com/d/msg/river4/Q…' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/River4 (https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/565960017879515136)
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Loqi [bridgy] Dave Winer ☮ retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/River4 (https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/565959156444987392)
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GWG If I want to add support for post kinds, should post kinds have micropub as a dependency or vice versa
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snarfed GWG: no clue. i don't know how that relationship would work yet
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bret all micropub has been h-entry, with post type derived from received properties
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snarfed i'd probably wait on that until more of the basic property support is fleshed out
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GWG Snarfed, just thinking about where it might belong.
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bret once you get your micropub request parsed out, you have to map it to whatever storage format you want
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GWG Bret, so does that go in the micropub plugin or the storage format plugin? Or a third?
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aaronpk bret: yeah that's what they're talking about
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bret does what go?
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bret oh i see sorry
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snarfed bret: hmm. http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Creating_Objects actually implies micropub does h-* not just h-entry
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aaronpk "post kinds" is GWG's wordpress plugins that handles posts which are likes vs replies etc
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah why not an h-event for exmaple!
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snarfed yup
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GWG Basically, pull request vs feature request
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aaronpk i think right now everyone's just doing h-entrys
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bret snarfed: yeah, so far the only clients have been entry what what I was pointing out
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bret s/what/was
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Loqi bret meant to say: snarfed: yeah, so far the only clients have been entry was was I was pointing out
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bret i would think make micropub depend on post-types
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aaronpk kinds
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bret err that
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GWG bret: I can't use types because Wordpress already has something called types
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bret dernit
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snarfed honestly imho it's a bit early to add relnships/dependencies like this
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snarfed let's get a few people actually using the micropub plugin (like you GWG!), iterate a bit, then see
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aaronpk as soon as someone with thte plugin signs in to Woodwind and clicks "like" they're going to want the post kinds plugin :)
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snarfed_ aaronpk: can't wait for that to happen! :p
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snarfed_ they may also be ok with just auto generating the markup
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snarfed_ at least to start
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aaronpk oh like making a regular post that has the u-like-of html?
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snarfed_ yup
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aaronpk good point, i forgot how wordpress works :)
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gRegor` Oops. Read the page, gRegor.
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GWG I have an idea. Need to write it up
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@jordan_web Take control of your Data, it can be done. Indieweb - https://indiewebcamp.com/ WithKnown - https://withknown.com/ #indieweb #withknown (twitter.com/_/status/565968749736361984)
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paulproteus pdurbin: (-:
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ben_thatmustbeme so, how is everyone doing today?
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ben_thatmustbeme i've been out of it all day
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: i am working on my third implemetnation of tweet shortening, it's not getting any more fun the more times I do it :P
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ben_thatmustbeme heh, yeah, most things don't
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kylewm and in other bridgy publish news, facebook publish for likes and replies is on the chopping block
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kylewm basically unless a facebook employee swoops in and rescues us
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aaronpk oh snap
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bear a co-worker pointed out this amazingly sad tumblr for tracking site deaths -- http://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/
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aaronpk hehehe
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aaronpk not just sites too, apps and services
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bear nods
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snarfed re bridgy fb publish, killing it for likes and comments is kind of like democracy
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snarfed it's the very worst option available…except for all the others
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snarfed kylewm: third?!
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snarfed oh no
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KevinMarks_ I think maciej was good on that, let me find it
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snarfed push the one you showed me and immediately block it from your memory!
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kylewm snarfed: haha no only the first one for bridgy... i wrote one in red wind server code and another one in javascript for an earlier iteration
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snarfed ahhh
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KevinMarks_ the origin story http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2013/02/27/our-incredible-journey.php
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gRegor` Re /blocking and abuse: https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/565967635603410944 and the rest of her timeline.
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@ashedryden I need a thing that warns me when I’m getting a sudden uptick in traffic from HN/Reddit/*chan :/ (twitter.com/_/status/565967635603410944)
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aaronpk good idea
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snarfed anomaly detection
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kylewm snarfed: would you want an option to add "... [link]" iff the text is truncated?
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snarfed kylewm: it's already there, right?
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snarfed oh i see, in a-u, as opposed to in bridgy?
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kylewm oh, what?
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snarfed bridgy has the omit-link checkbox, webmention param, and mf2 class
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kylewm you said no earlier so i was going by that
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snarfed oh, right, i meant, the link choice is explicit, not based on truncating
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snarfed sorry
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snarfed it's the include_link kwarg to create() and preview_create()
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kylewm that's my preferred POSSE to twitter behavior ... no link if the whole text fits in a tweet, a link if it needs to be truncated
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snarfed understood
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kylewm (if so this would be a new issue/PR, not part of the current one)
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snarfed i get the use case
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snarfed i'm not sure i'd want to add it quite yet
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kylewm ok, that's cool
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gRegor` Truncated with link seems like a good candidate for an option on the publisher's end
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snarfed gRegornobacktick++
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snarfed hey mf2 people, wordpress people, GWG, does mf2 p-category map to wordpress category or tag?
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snarfed http://microformats.org/wiki/p-category
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snarfed http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-category
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snarfed http://codex.wordpress.org/Posts_Categories_Screen
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snarfed http://codex.wordpress.org/Posts_Tags_Screen
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snarfed also, aaronpk, do i understand right that micropub clients generally won't send (much) markup in the content param
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snarfed they'll instead send arbitrary mf2 properties as POST params and let the server generate the markup?
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snarfed e.g. for likes, the client would include a like-of=http://… param?
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GWG Snarfed, both
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snarfed GWG: we need to pick one. micropub clients send categories, so i need to map them to either wp cats or tags
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kylewm yes to the like-of=http://… parameter
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snarfed kylewm: thx
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GWG Tags then
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gRegor` then is it.
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snarfed notices he is liking, faving, and replying more since he switched from posseing them to pesos. https://github.com/snarfed/ownyourresponses
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gRegor` snarfed: You're a wordpress.com user, not .org?
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snarfed gRegor`: nah self-hosted
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snarfed .com can't run arbitrary plugins
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snarfed (or themes)
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gRegor` How is ownyourresponses working for you? I only see the wp.com api
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gRegor` is also a Python noob
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snarfed oh. wp's new json api goes through wp.com
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snarfed primarily for auth
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snarfed for self-hosted, you install jetpack, which connects
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gRegor` Aha, interesting. I see the setup now, heh.
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gRegor` RTFM before the code, I guess.
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snarfed ignore the wp part, it'll switch to micropub soon
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benwerd_ This looks like another nice, simple server interface: https://portalplatform.net/
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snarfed.org edited /Micropub (+144) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ wordpress-micropub" (view diff)
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