#indiewebcamp 2015-01-12

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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dougmckown
I have a few indieweb question about worpress.
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GWG
dougmckown: At your service
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GWG
Ask away. Not everyone here is a WordPress user, but I am.
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dougmckown
I have these WP plugins installed: Indieweb, Indieweb Custom Taxonomy, Indieweb Press This, Semantic-Linkbacks, Web Actions, Webmention, and Webmention for comments...
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dougmckown
How many of those are duplicytes of others?
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dougmckown
None have settings, so can I assume that I don't have to do anythong else to make them do their jobs?
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indie-visitor
Oops. I'm back.
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GWG
dougmckown: About Custom Taxonomy, can I make a suggestion?
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dougmckown
Lost connect.
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dougmckown
yes, please.
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GWG
Switch to the replacement
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GWG
dougmckown: Indieweb Custom Taxonomy was replaced with Indieweb Post Kinds
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GWG
Download and install this and disable the other
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GWG
I renamed it
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GWG
Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions for Comments do not actually have a settings screen
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GWG
Press This uses the Press This functionality of WordPress to allow for bookmarklets. No configuration there
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GWG
Webmention has no settings at the moment
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GWG
A lot of them don't need options
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GWG
dougmckown: Disable Custom Taxonomy. They are the 'same' plugin.
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tantek
GWG is that worth an FAQ or Troubleshooting entry on /WordPress ?
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dougmckown
Will posts still appear the same (based on Post Format), or will the choice made in Kinds change the appearance?
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GWG
tantek: I'm hoping pfefferle will solve it first
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GWG
dougmckown: Not unless you reprogram your theme.
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tantek
GWG - if people are having problems right now, better to document right now, than wait for someone to solve it.
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GWG
dougmckown: The two can coexist if you want them to. But I suggest using one over the other
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@dougmckown
@pfefferle Haben Sie einen Beitrag über Ihr indieweb Plugins für Wordpress? Wie funktionieren sie? Ich nicht Deutsch sprechen.
(twitter.com/_/status/554438006741159936)
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GWG
tantek: I didn't realize he'd be away for so long. It's the Indieweb plugin. It recommends Custom Taxonomy.
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GWG
tantek: Either way, will add to the wiki
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GWG
Time flies when you decide to rename your plugin
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dougmckown
Is there a master list of WP plugins and what they do?
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david.shanske.com
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GWG
dougmckown: The wiki
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GWG
But as tantek just pointed out, I should edit
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david.shanske.com
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GWG
dougmckown: Why don't we step back a second
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GWG
dougmckown: What do you want to do?
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GWG
Webmentions enables webmention support for WordPress. That's plumbing.
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dougmckown
Okay. Thanks.
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dougmckown
How about web actions
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tantek.com
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dougmckown
I wish there was a super indieweb plugin that did everything.
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tantek.com
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GWG
dougmckown: That was what the plugin that installed other plugin was.
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dougmckown
Which one? Webmentions or Indieweb?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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GWG
dougmckown: The IndieWeb one
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GWG
dougmckown: Bear in mind, the developer of Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks also did the Indieweb plugin
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GWG
dougmckown: I did Indieweb Custom Taxonomy, and its sucessor Indieweb Post Kinds, as well as some other Indieweb plugins, Semantic Comments, Syndication Links.
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GWG
dougmckown: The WordPress Syndication Plugin was Jihaisse.
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GWG
dougmckown: If they were all together, we couldn't develop them independently.
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dougmckown
GWG, of course. I didn't think of that.
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GWG
dougmckown: Also, my Syndication Links plugin, and Jihaisse's WordPress Syndication do the same thing, in different ways
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GWG
Mine allows for manual entry, his requires a third party plugin to pull the data from, such as SNAP or Social.
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GWG
dougmckown: Basically, if you install Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks, you'll be able to send webmentions to supporting sites, and get rich comments back
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GWG
dougmckown: If you add in Bridgy, which is a service, you'll be able to get rich comments back from Facebook, Twitter, G+, etc
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GWG
dougmckown: If you add in WordPress Syndication or Syndication Links, you can add a link to your post on that service so Bridgy knows what the syndicated version is to send back the links.
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dougmckown
Do you have links for the syndication plugins you mentioned. When I search for syndication plugins in WP, I get dozens.
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tantek
dougmckown - can you easily find it here? indiewebcamp.com/WordPress ?
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GWG
dougmckown: A lot of them aren't in the WordPress repository.
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GWG
I should put some of mine in.
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dougmckown
I assumed that the WP repository had them all.
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GWG
tantek: I'll have to work on that page a bit later
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tantek
dougmckown - the indiewebcamp.com/WordPress page should make it very clear which plugins to install. If it doesn't, please ask questions about whatever parts of that page are unclear!
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tantek
(as in we're looking for feedback about any problems/issues with that page or any suggestions for improvement!)
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GWG
dougmckown: This is my Syndication Links plugin - https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links
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GWG
dougmckown: This is the alternative one - https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication
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GWG
Both have advantages
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GWG
If we didn't approach it differently, I would have just contributed to his
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dougmckown
BTW, thank you for answering all of my newbie questions!
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GWG
dougmckown: We're always happy to help
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GWG
Besides, now I have homework
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GWG
I need to add to that wiki page
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dougmckown
Those two are to display links to syndiucated copies, but what about the best plugins to do the syndication?
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GWG
dougmckown: In the repository, the two most popular are Social by MAilchimp and SNAP
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GWG
You can also POSSE manually, which people do
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dougmckown
Is it possible to push WP tags to Twitter hashtags?
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GWG
Yes
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dougmckown
It appears that Social (by MailChimp) does what Bridgy does. Is that correct?
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dougmckown
GWG, how?
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GWG
dougmckown: There are settings in both plugins
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GWG
dougmckown: Yes, but not as well.
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tantek.com
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dougmckown
Is p3k available to anyone? That seems like the best answer.
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tantek.com
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@unicomplex
unable to read https://blog.vrypan.net/2013/09/27/crafting-my-blog/ due to #cloudflare blocking #tor users , no chance of helping test the #webmentions then.
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dougmckown
WordPress seems like overkill. I want a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone/push to Twitter.
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Loqi
gives dougmckown a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone
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KartikPrabhu
what is RedWind?
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Loqi
Red Wind (source code) is Kyle Mahan's IndieWeb-ready blog software written in Python and running on Flask https://indiewebcamp.com/redwind
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KartikPrabhu
dougmckown: try that ^ ?
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dougmckown
IRC question: what does " Loqi gives dougmckown a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone" mean?
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Loqi
woot!
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dougmckown
Or was the answer to my question Redwind?
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dougmckown
Is Flask a framewok that most web hosts offer?
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GWG
dougmckown: Ask aaronpk, it is his baby
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KartikPrabhu
dougmckown: If you type "I want something" then Loqi tries to be nice and gives you something
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tantek
are there really only four people here that post bookmarks? https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek
KartikPrabhu, GWG , kylewm, snarfed, ben_thatmust do any of you post bookmarks?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: not yet. I am not sure if I want bookmarks to be a type of Note or a separate thing
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: indeed - here's some thinking on that: https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#bookmark
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I also want bookmarks to include things I would "highlight" (e-book terminology) while reading. Those seem to get very muddled with quotations
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kylewm
tantek: I post bookmarks but I don't do anything interesting with them
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Loqi
kylewm: ben_thatmust left you a message 6 hours, 31 minutes ago: latest build has gallery button working
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kylewm
dougmckown: redwind is my thing. most shared hosting doesn't support python/flask if that was your question
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tantek
kylewm: when did you start posting bookmarks? URL to your first one?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I think highlights are quotations per https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Emphasis_exception
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kylewm
2014-07-08
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Loqi
!calc 2014-07-08
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dougmckown
kylewm: which host do you use for your redwind site?
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kylewm
dougmckown: digital ocean
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dougmckown
Okay thanks. Do thay a one-click installer (like for WP)?
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dougmckown
...they have a...
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kylewm
hehe, no
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Loqi
lolz
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KartikPrabhu
dougmckown: if one-click installers are what you are looking for then you are largely stuck with WP
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tantek
dougmckown: you may want to try Known
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tantek
installs / updates of that are fairly straightforward (download, expand in place)
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dougmckown
But I can FTP to Digital Ocean, correct?
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kylewm
it's an experimental/custom application i'm developing ... it's possible for other people to install it (one person even has) but not easy
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tantek
indiewebcamp.com/Known
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tantek.com
edited /posts (+81) "/* Kinds of Posts */ emojicons for a few more post kinds, re-order and cluster by apparent indieweb examples, note two only or one only"
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dougmckown
I've been tinkering with Known some.
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dougmckown
Known doesn't have a way of making pages.
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GWG
tantek: I did post bookmarks until I came on my existential crisis
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GWG
Like, Favorite, Bookmark, Reply
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GWG
Since I commented on all the bookmarks, I reclassified as a reply
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GWG
Still on the fence about that
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kylewm
dougmckown: DigitalCOean does virtual private servers, so you get shell access to a linux box
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KartikPrabhu
dougmckown: I use webfaction.com to host my python code. They also give you shell access
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tantek.com
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tantek
GWG, indeed if you're commenting on links (rather than just summarizing or adding a reminder for yourself), then those are replies, not bookmarks.
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dougmckown
Thanks everybody for answering my newbie questions!
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tantek
similar to how most tweets that have a link are actually *comments* on those links
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tantek
dougmckown: no problem! what's your primary site?
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dougmckown
dougmckown.com
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GWG
dougmckown: I hope I didn't confuse you more
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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GWG
dougmckown: If you decide to stay with WordPress, happy to help...happy either way to help
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ben_thatmust
tantek, yes, though i only have one sample post
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ben_thatmust
haven't ended up using it yet
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tantek
ben_thatmust: similarly I only have one /comics post.
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ben_thatmust
ever since i added your suggestion of /<posttype>/ it makes it easier for me
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ben_thatmust
i probably have other types i haven't added myself to yet
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ben_thatmust
will have to go through that
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tantek
at the root?!? I don't think I would have suggested that
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dougmckown
GWG: a link for SNAP? I don't see in repository.
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tantek
what is SNAP?
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Loqi
SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster https://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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ben_thatmust
no suggested, but asked why i didn't
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tantek
dougmckown: if you can't find something, ask "what is ..."
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ben_thatmust
you trimmed down the URL and asked why i didn't
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GWG
What is SNAP?
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Loqi
SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster https://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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ben_thatmust
with /photos i believe
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tantek
ben_thatmust: maybe checkins?
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ben_thatmust
that was it
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tantek
oh right - consistent with your existing URL scheme - hackable URLs as it were
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dougmckown
GWG: thanks
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ben_thatmust
i liked the idea, so i do it for every post type of mine now
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tantek
though I'm still a strong proponent of http://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Dates
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ben_thatmust
okay, off to watch a movie with the misses
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tantek
you can still keep type-specific aggregations at the root
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tantek
however I think permalinks out to be date first
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GWG
dougmckown: I love and hate SNAP
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tantek
s/out/ought
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: however I think permalinks ought to be date first
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ben_thatmust
i think we've gone over this before
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ben_thatmust
but i prefer it this way, i think it makes more sense for me
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dougmckown
GWG: I'll give it a try. I've tried IFTTT but didn't like their use of their URL shortener, and have used Social too, but it was a while ago.
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tantek
ben_thatmust: we'll have to wait for aaronpk's full write-up of why he's switching/switched from type-first to date-first permalinks.
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dougmckown
What I want is to have my posts under 140 characters cloned to Twitter and those over 140 cloned with a link. And have PW tags become Twitter hashtags.
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GWG
dougmckown: I have issues with all of them, but I'm not in a position to write one of my own right now
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kylewm
GWG: is there not a wordpress plugin that "integrates" with bridgy publish?
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GWG
dougmckown: I also can never get Twitter right.
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GWG
kylewm: It's on my list.
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GWG
kylewm: I wrote some of the code, but haven't tested it.
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GWG
kylewm: My issue was I wanted to integrate previews in.
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GWG
I've been meaning to ask snarfed if there was a way for me to get a preview in a pop up
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GWG
kylewm: You would know. You know the code as well as he does
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dougmckown
GWG: are you dshanske on github?
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kylewm
GWG: I don't think there is, I'll take a quick look at the code though
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dougmckown
what's the best IRC client for the Mac?
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GWG
dougmckown: affirmative
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dougmckown
sorry if that was nosy, just wnated to be able to see all of your github stuff
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kylewm
GWG: actually.... you can POST to https://www.brid.gy/publish/preview with a query string (which is a little strange) and get back the preview
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kylewm
GWG: a first version that just has checkboxes for twitter and facebook and sends a webmention after publishing, seems like it woudl go a long way?
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GWG
kylewm: What is the query string?
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GWG
kylewm: Agreed...I've just been putting it off.
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kylewm
it's unofficial API, obviously subject to change
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kylewm
and actually if you really wanted to use that for a plugin, I think snarfed or I would clean up the API and make it official
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GWG
kylewm: If the post hasn't been published yet...
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GWG
There is no URL yet. But I suppose I could make it publish then refresh.
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kylewm
lol, good point
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GWG
Anyway....I will try to accelerate
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kylewm
no pressure from me :)
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GWG
kylewm: I've been putting it off. I disabled SNAP, but didn't replace it. I should.
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GWG
kylewm: You aren't pressuring, but I could occasionally use a good kick in the pants
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GWG
!tell dougmckown Not a problem
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
kylewm: Although clearly I need to rewrite the WordPress wiki page a bit
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GWG
So you want to be an indiewebber...
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kylewm
I feel like I've spent most of today downloading Android SDKs
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GWG
kylewm: To do what with?
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kylewm
I'm trying to make a notification app
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kylewm
pretty close to giving up
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kylewm
XML files everywhere, it's unpleasantly reminiscent of java web app development
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GWG
kylewm: For what?
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: I thought Android dev was Java based
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kylewm
everything... library dependencies, UI layouts, triggers -> actions relationships
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KartikPrabhu
UI layouts in XML! sheesh
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GWG
kylewm: No. What do you want to notify?
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tantek
kylewm: like a generic indieweb notifications app where all you do is sign-in with indieauth and it does the rest?
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pdurbin
kylewm: is iOS development better?
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GWG
tantek: We still have a proposal on the books for that
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kylewm
GWG: I want to get a notification when someone mentions me or replies to me. and then it has a Reply button that opens my /new/reply URL
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GWG
kylewm: Can I suggest a stopgap measure?
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kylewm
pdurbin: I have not done iOS either
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tantek
kylewm: I believe benwerd has hacked this up with his site sending him emails for webmentions
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tantek
and then he just gets notifications of those emails via whatever mobile email client he is using
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tantek
that's another "stopgap" measure
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kylewm
gasps at tantek suggesting email
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tantek
another would be XMPP - have all your notifications show up in a single XMPP IM conversation
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GWG
tantek: Difference is Pushover and Pushbullet are both integrated into iOS and Android
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pdurbin
kylewm: this video helped me get started with Android development: http://www.newthinktank.com/2014/10/make-android-apps-14/
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GWG
It's a service if you don't want to write your own
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tantek
GWG - Google Hangouts is good enough for XMPP + notifications
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tantek
GWG - Google Hangouts is also an iOS and Android app
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kylewm
you can still send XMPP to google hangouts?
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GWG
tantek: I'll agree, but both Google and Facebook seem to be deprecating XMPP support
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tantek
kylewm: yes
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GWG
kylewm: Yes, you can, but for how long....
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kylewm
pdurbin: thanks! i'll watch that
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tantek
GWG what do you mean by "integrated"?
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tantek
that sounds like there is still client work to do
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tantek
whereas with Google Hangouts it's two steps: 1. install Google Hangouts (for iOS or Android), 2. setup Google Hangouts with your XMPP login info
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pdurbin
kylewm: cool. I'd be interested in know what you think of that video. For me it was just enough. And I've been going back and watching earlier videos by the same guy for more of the fundamentals.
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GWG
And with mine, it is two steps...
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GWG
Install app if not installed
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tantek
which app?
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GWG
Use curl to send
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GWG
Pushbullet or Pushover. Same idea, different implementation
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tantek
what is Pushbullet?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Pushbullet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pushbullet
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GWG
Pushover is pad, Pushbullet is free
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tantek
what is Pushover?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Pushover" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pushover
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tantek
GWG, alrighty, please add some stubs with download URLs (and commentary like "is bad" or "is free" ^^^
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GWG
I'll write is shortly.
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tantek
thanks much!
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GWG
Also need to rewrite the WordPress page and make a tuna sandwich
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kylewm
/mention-app is where i found pushbullet, fwiw
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GWG
kylewm: I put it there.
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kylewm
I suppose if google hangouts ever totally removes XMPP, you can use a different services
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kylewm
service8
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kylewm
anyway I like that suggestion
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GWG
Pushover is older, but Pushbullet is iterating faster. But it is a free service, and I haven't seen how Pushbullet will monetize
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tantek
GWG ^^^ type that into the wiki edit text area ;)
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GWG
tantek: Along with, "I paid the $5 for Pushover because I want something to be here ."
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GWG
I worry about free services that have no visible revenue stream.
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tantek
sure - worth putting that on the page too
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GWG
tantek: Isn't that how you get site deaths?
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tantek
if you think there's that risk - add it
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tantek
just click the edit URLs that Loqi gave you, type {{stub}} and copy / paste your statements from above.
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
GWG, kylewm, KartikPrabhu, and anyone else - I know you all have been posting /article posts for some time - do you know when your earliest article post was? Add to https://indiewebcamp.com/article#IndieWeb_Examples !
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: do articles on older blogger blogs count?
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tantek
was it your own domain or the blogger.com silo?
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tantek
what we're trying to document here is indieweb posting of these post types
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KartikPrabhu
silo so I guess no
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tantek
hence *indieweb* examples
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KartikPrabhu
even thought I have moved them to my domain
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tantek
you should still mention that you've imported back posts from a silos since yyyy-mm-dd
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tantek
but just sort yourself by your *first* actual indieweb article post
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tantek
Loqi that doesn't even make sense
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tantek
gives Loqi a -1 to cancel out the random +1.
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Loqi
grabs the -1 to cancel out the random +1.
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tantek
and benwerd and snarfed too
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gRegor`
"you were there, and you, and you!"
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gRegor`
I don't understand the distinction of "explicitly posting articles"
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gRegor`
I'm experimenting with updating comments display on my articles. Anyone want to give some feedback? http://gregorlove.com/responses-mockup.html vs live version: http://gregorlove.com/2014/09/1186/#comments
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GWG
gRegor`: Give me a moment...
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gRegor`
Not sure I like the icon placement. I took inspiration for that from tumblr notes, which is usually one line in the format: "[avatar] [username] liked this" with the appropriate icon on the right.
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gRegor`
I think it looks good in tumblr lists of notes, since every one has an icon. On this mockup it looks a little odd
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gRegor`
I like the bit of color, but I don't want it to appear like it's an action the reader can take/has taken on the comment.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: maybe use a fallback avatar for people with no-avatars?
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tantek
gRegor`: "explicitly" as a modifier on "posting on your own site", rather than a modifier on "articles"
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tantek
gRegor`: tighten-up your current display's vertical spacing so that it matches the prototype
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gRegor`
They'll be cached eventually, but that's not what I'm working on at the moment.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: then which icon did you mean?
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KartikPrabhu
sorry I confused icon and avatar
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gRegor`
The retweet and favorite icons on the right.
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KartikPrabhu
oh why not have them next to the word "retweeted"
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tantek
indeed
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gRegor`
I may just remove them. Not sure I like them anywhere I've tried them. :)
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tantek
right, if they're not adding something specifically, drop them
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tantek
when in doubt in a visual design, throw it out
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KartikPrabhu
also it is stupid that Twitter API does not give dates for retweets and likes
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gRegor`
I'm currently publishing the time the webmention is published
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KartikPrabhu
that is a fair approach
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gRegor`
But on this mockup I'm approaching everything fresh. I don't think they necessarily need a date
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tantek
it's interesting from the point of view of seeing clusterings by datetime, or order, e.g. when one person likes/reposts something which then appears to "cause" a bunch of others to do so
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gRegor`
True. And they'll still be sorted by datetime in my display, so ... let me try something.
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KartikPrabhu
is not a fan of interleaving comments and "lesser" responses like repost and like
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KartikPrabhu
is also thinking of changing response displays particularly "mentions" and getting rid of "likes" altogether
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gRegor`
Ok, refresh http://gregorlove.com/responses-mockup.html - dropped the icons, added the datetime for repost/favorites. Needed a permalink for those anyway.
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gRegor`
KartikPrabhu: You mean not displaying likes of your posts?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: there's always adactio's approach - of putting each (likes, reposts, comments) in their own section
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tantek
but still keeping order / datetimes
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: yeah not displaying likes at all
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I do that now. But I feel likes don't add anything
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gRegor`
I think I'm liking this mockup a lot now.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: hence I think facepiles are better, with perhaps that datetime stamp in a tooltip
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KartikPrabhu
I don't know. "likes" are very positively biased. There is no "dislike"
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gRegor`
Unless you implement it. :)
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gRegor`
"If you build it, they will com-- dislike it."
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gRegor`
What is dislike?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "dislike" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=dislike
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KartikPrabhu
yup exactly! there is no mechanism to dislike anywhere, so why should there be a mechanism to only "like" it
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gRegor`
narcissism? :)
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tantek
unlike ;)
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KartikPrabhu
possibly.
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KartikPrabhu
unlike means to reverse a former like.
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tantek
right
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gRegor`
It used to be - maybe still is - a common refrain on facebook "why is there no dislike button?"
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: yeah I have heard
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tantek
Digg would let you thumb-up or thumb-down something
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gRegor`
And reddit has +/- karma
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tantek
pretty sure slashdot had +/- karma before reddit
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gRegor`
Likely. Sounds right.
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KartikPrabhu
dislikes this whole "everything sunny all the time, good day" attitude on "social media"
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gRegor`
Guessing you haven't poked around some corners of social media. ;)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: yeah - the "highlights reel" effect
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gRegor`
Well, at least Twitter.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: those are explicit comments, not clicking a button
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gRegor`
Hm?
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tantek
and those that do share the sad/tragic things are "rewarded" with year-in-review summaries that remind them of it all :(
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KartikPrabhu
clicking a button if you "like" something is supposed to be ok, but to "dislike" you have to write an actual response
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gRegor`
Guess I misunderstood your comment about the attitude on social media
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: it's a deliberate design decision to attempt a more positive emotional design
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes. which seems to me to be very disingenuous.
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tantek
since by default, if you make +/- similarly possible, you get a negative dominated community like digg or reddit etc.
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tantek
no it's a deliberate design to avoid known negative community patterns
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KartikPrabhu
and so we go to the other extreme where everyone likes everything but no one dislikes anything
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gRegor`
I was thinking of topics covered. I see a lot of not-sunny topics on Twitter. Facebook definitely seems to be more of a 'sunny' place.
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tantek
no they simply ignore it
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gRegor`
Ferguson was all over Twitter, but a lot less on Facebook, for example.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: however what has happened in places like Twitter is the negative emotionally impactful posts get more favorites / retweets - amplification
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes. so if you dislike something you are supposed to ignore. but that does not tell me the poster anything
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: there may be an opportunity for "mute" as a reaction to a post - as in - don't show me this post again (even if reposted)
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KartikPrabhu
I am looking for some version of actual comments/critique. One-click "likes" don't mean anything
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tantek
they mean something. perhaps minimal / superficial but they do mean something.
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tantek
sometimes many different things - as KevinMarks pointed out
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes, then why not "dislikes" to mean 'something minimal' ?
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@dougmckown
@kevinmarks I'm trying to go #indieweb. What do you do with your tweets? Do they get cloned to your site? How?
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GWG
gRegor`: What are those icons around the person's name?
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gRegor`
Unicode from their Twitter display name
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gRegor`
Looks like they're crowns
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GWG
What is Pushbullet?
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Loqi
Pushbullet is a free service that sends rich notifications to your Android or iOS device, as well as various web browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/Pushbullet
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tantek
GWG++ thanks!
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Loqi
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GWG
tantek: I also rewrote the WordPress pages a bit.
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created /Pushover (+938) "Created page with "<dfn>[https://pushover.net Pushover]</dfn> makes it easy to get real-time notifications on Android, iOS, and desktop systems. Pushover offers a simple [https://pushover.net/api...""
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GWG
What is Pushover?
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Loqi
Pushover makes it easy to get real-time notifications on Android, iOS, and desktop systems https://indiewebcamp.com/Pushover
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GWG
I need to change that
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GWG
Need to think on the description.
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kylewm
turns out it is really hard to send messages to google hangouts :(
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GWG
kylewm: Coming around to my suggestion?
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kylewm
GWG: those services do look nice
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GWG
kylewm: And I was able to add notification support in five minutes.
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kylewm
and I tend to agree with your feeling that pushbullet seems fishy
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GWG
It isn't fishy. They have no business model. They just want to build the service and figure out money later.
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GWG
I'd rather give $5 and know it will be there
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kylewm
that's all I mean by fishy. i've had enough of those kind of services.
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kylewm
like are they going to start sending ads every once in a while?
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GWG
I use Pushover over Pushbullet. I use it to send notices from IRC to my phone, also from my server to my phone.
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kylewm
how do you send notices from iRC?
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GWG
I have ZNC running. There is a module
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GWG
Then I log in if I need to
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@ken_bauer
We see as @cogdog guides me through the Hoth asteroid field #CCourses #indieWeb @TecdeMty @jimgroom @bennettscience @brlamb
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kylewm
GWG++ thank you for the advice :)
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Loqi
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GWG
kylewm: I look forward to see what you come up with.
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tantek
here's a high profile example of a WordPress blog with spam getting through in the comments, Lessig: http://www.lessig.org/2013/07/on-the-emptiness-in-the-concept-of-neutrality/
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tantek
I wanted to cite it, but now I don't because of the spam
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tantek
aside: it's also an example of reposting from a Tumblr
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tantek
PESOSed as it were
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kylewm
tantek, the spam comments you are seeing are on Disqus, right?
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tantek
no - I have JS disabled. no disqus
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tantek
kylewm: view source on http://www.lessig.org/2013/07/on-the-emptiness-in-the-concept-of-neutrality/ and you can find them - thought it's odd that the markup says "dsq" - some sort of serverside disqus plugin?
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@dougmckown
Does anyone know how to clone tweets to a @WordPress site without using IFTTT? #indieweb
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tantek
doesn't he mean vice versa - from WordPress to tweets?
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@GlobalRevLive
may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @CurvyBelle01 @lenubienne
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@superbranch
RT @GlobalRevLive: may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @Curv
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voxpelli
Regarding Pushover / Pushbullet – exposing an RSS-feed and having IFTTT trigger notifications on new items in that feed would work as well
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voxpelli
So using a h-entry to RSS converter for a mentions page would be enough for IFTTT to work
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voxpelli
(but there's probably no Pubsubhubbub-enabled such converters right now so not full realtime)
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@banditelli
RT @GlobalRevLive: may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @Curv
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pwcc
!tell GWG: Sorry, didn't get a chance to look at your theme over the weekend. I am epileptic and had a fit instead. Boo!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@checkdisout
I agree @evgenymorozov &there are more&more initiatives tackling this issue incl. @indie @withknown @indiewebcamp @smarimc via @KlausTrainer
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GWG
!tell pwcc Fully understand. Take care of yourself
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Loqi
GWG: pwcc left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: Sorry, didn't get a chance to look at your theme over the weekend. I am epileptic and had a fit instead. Boo!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
in case we have anyone skilled in graphics: could the webmention logo be included in one of the icon fonts, like font awesome?
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KartikPrabhu
webmention has a logo!?
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KartikPrabhu
also including a glyph in a font is more upto the font author and not us
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Loqi
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ella
Hello, there. I have installed known on my server—thanks to the easy install package—and am working to adapt it for my needs. I'd like a plugin that could upload multiple images for a Project content type, but since I hardly know what I'm doing I'm going to duplicate the Text plugin and just create a gallery of images under the 'code' tab of the toolbar. I hope that later I'll learn how to make a image set or gallery plugin bu
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ella
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if that's a good way to go about it or if I'm setting myself up for future trouble.
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ella
(or if there is a better place for me to ask these questions). Thanks!
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KartikPrabhu
ella: maybe try asking the Known people directly at https://twitter.com/withknown ?
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ella
That's probably a good idea. I've looked through the documentation and I wasn't able to find (or I missed) a user/support forum and it didn't seem appropriate for the issue log. I'll get in touch with them directly.
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KartikPrabhu
ella: there is this dev group too: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/known-dev but I generally dislike Google Groups
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ella
Ah! Thanks.
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ben_thatmustbeme
finally moved my app off of the purchased icon set i was using onto some simple SVG ones that were public domain
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kylewm
!tell petermolnar pfefferle already has! http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/icons/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, did gallery button work for you?
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petermolnar
kylewm wow, thanks :)
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Loqi
petermolnar: kylewm left you a message 3 minutes ago: pfefferle already has! http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/icons/
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: haven't tried it yet
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ben_thatmustbeme
just added bookmark and like support this morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
and moved to free icons that i can redistribute
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kylewm
voxpelli: atom feed + push + ifttt is what I did originally, but it was really unreliable. notifications were similar always delayed. probably something I was doing wrong
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voxpelli
kylewm: I see, I guess that's what a new app eventually should do – parse updates from a PuSH enabled source – I guess Superfeedr has pretty much everything needed for that
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ben_thatmustbeme
i plan to work on a push enabled app soon. never done it before
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i would love to get that working
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voxpelli
ben_thatmustbeme: Try checkin with Julien of Superfeedr then! Unless you want to build everything yourself :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
ideally, i would like ot
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@benwerd
Interesting point from the federated social web list: encouraging people to have their own domain is encouraging them to self-dox. #indieweb
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@benwerd
This isn't to say that people shouldn't own their own domains - they should - but a lot about the reg process needs to be fixed. #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
quiet day thus far
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@mapkyca
@benwerd .co.uk tld, + a few others support anonymous reg. Very few others do.
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kylewm
can't you get whois privacy for many TLDs?
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aaronpk
yes. is he saying that you can actually not provide your address to register a .co.uk tho?
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aaronpk
"anonymous registration" sounds different from whois privacy. but I was not aware that any registrars allowed anonymous registration
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kylewm
purchases whois privacy for kylewm.com
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aaronpk
has too many domains to bother with whois privacy :(
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kylewm
aaronpk: it looks like you have private registration on aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
that's a start at least
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aaronpk
ah yeah dreamhost provides whois privacy for free http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Domain_WHOIS_Privacy_Service
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kylewm
what is a protection racket?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "protection racket" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=protection+racket
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aaronpk
that's a pretty good advantage of registering with dreamhost
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aaronpk
i've seen registrars offer whois privacy for free the first year, then charge $2/year after that which is kind of sneaky
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kylewm
name.com is $3.99 / year ...
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kylewm
now fairly angry about this
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@benwerd
TIL that CSP headers on sites like GitHub mean that bookmarklets don't work, forcing you to build browser extensions. #indieweb
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aaronpk
kylewm: have you just been paying the $4/year this whole time?
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gRegor`
domainmonster.com has free domain name privacy
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metatropolis
I like dreamhost's approach, but there is a minimal administrative overhead for the ISP involved in maintaining whois privacy, right?
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aaronpk
that dreamhost wiki page has a great description of how they handle it
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kylewm
aaronpk: i just bought it like 10 minutes ago
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aaronpk
oh gotcha
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gRegor`
what is domain privacy
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Loqi
Domain privacy refers to privacy concerns around the contact information that is publicly available with each domain name registration https://indiewebcamp.com/domain_privacy
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tantek
sigh, very few "points" from an email list are "interesting" about the web. including this one.
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tantek
it's called a POBOX.
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gRegor`
2FA is another important consideration with registrars. https://konklone.com/post/protect-your-domain-name-with-two-factor-authentication
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kylewm
this is reaffirming that registering a domain name is way to hard
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gRegor`
Agreed. Making domain name registration simple (changing ICANN?) sounds . . . not easy.
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tantek
gRegornobactick++ for that 2FA DNR link!
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Loqi
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kylewm
laughs at gRegor`s various nicknames gathering karma
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gRegor`
What is gregors karma alias?
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Loqi
Loqi does not like the backtick in gRegor Morrill's screen name gRegor`, so you can give karma to username gregornobacktick in the meantime . . https://indiewebcamp.com/gregors_karma_alias
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gRegor`
It is pretty funny
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tallpaul
its perhaps worth considering that all domains are sub-domains
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tallpaul
the advantage of top level domains (apart form recognisabilty etc) is that they come with the lega lfraework around ICANN
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tallpaul
you don't have to be ICANN to provide a framwwork though
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tantek
gRegornobacktick++
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Loqi
gRegornobacktick has 31 karma
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tantek
there we go
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tantek
all the "barriers to owning a domain" arguments are missing the point
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tantek
the barrier is irrelevant - it's already lower than buying a cellphone/cell#
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tantek
it's the usefulness
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aaronpk
buying a phone number is super easy though. Just go to twilio.com ;)
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tantek
and on the otherhand, we *want* some barrier as compared to say Twitter, because it means fewer sockpuppet / spam / attacker accounts
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tallpaul
also you can but a prepaid phone with cash
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tallpaul
I'm not sure you can do that with a top-level domain
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tallpaul
this was an actual barrier with me for a long time
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tantek
tallpaul - it's non-trivial to buy a prepaid phone with cash - so much so that I'd say citation needed.
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tallpaul
since I didn't have a credit card
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tantek
I have heard some domain registrars take bitcoin now (don't have a citation offhand, hearsay)
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tallpaul
Maybe in the US, you can go into any number of places in the UK and but a pre-paid sim card/phone
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kylewm
"burners" right?
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tantek
tallpaul - yeah, likely a UK feature
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tallpaul
at least you could when I still lived there
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tantek
but in the US, good luck
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aaronpk
i've seen phones on the shelves at like target, but haven't tried buying/activating one
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aaronpk
would be an interesting experiment
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tallpaul
I don't know if I actually paid cash(I think my wife brought it for me) but thats how I got my first phone in the US
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aaronpk
now I want to try that. maybe i'll go do that at lunch today
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gRegor`
Namecheap accepts bitcoin
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gRegor`
That really doesn't affect the /domain_privacy issue though
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tallpaul
though I think I've pointed this out before, tumblr will give you a domain for free, aonoymously
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tantek
subdomain
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tallpaul
all domains are subdomains of .
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tallpaul
there is just typically a limit to what you can do with them
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tallpaul
if you trust me I to resolve disputes I will give you one for free with very little limits on what you can do with it
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tantek
tallpaul: no. in typical conversation TLDs are distinguished from subdomains of TLDs.
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tallpaul
I know, but I don't think the indiewebcase needs to distinguish
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tantek
I think it does, because it's a matter of ownership, which is a matter of independence.
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tantek
you don't own subdomains of tumblr or blogger. they do, and they've given them away before too.
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aaronpk
i guess the point is you don't really have ownership of any domain, which is made obvious by cases like vb.ly
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tallpaul
sure, but you don't own tld;s really either
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tantek
aaronpk - see previous debunking of such absolutist arguments.
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aaronpk
but in most practical circumstances you can treat 2lds as being owned
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tantek
same with you tallpaul.
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tantek
you have far more control over a TLD than any silo subdomain
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aaronpk
absolutest thinking is never a good idea
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kylewm
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 656 karma
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tallpaul
I don't dispute that, but a TLD is not an absolute requirement. its easy enough to imagine a non-profit that exists to give way free sub domains and act as a regulator for them
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@t
Absolute comparison arguments are of little utility. E.g. * two sides to … * either … or * fair & balanced #spectrums (ttk.me t4Z_1)
(twitter.com/_/status/542814233919234049)
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tantek
tallpaul - and we can dismiss such imaginations as hypothetical until there is some evidence of something real world worth considering.
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kylewm
why doesn't such a non-profit TLD exist?
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tantek
until then, a TLD is more independent than any subdomain.
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aaronpk
because it costs a ton to get a TLD
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tantek
substantially more
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tantek
that cost, however minimal is a good barrier
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tantek
for the reasons already stated
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tallpaul
there are non=profit tlds, I think .coop
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kylewm
oh but tantek were you saying a non-profit TLD or a non-profit that just gives out subdomains of their regular domain name?
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tallpaul
a non profit needn't be a tld though
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tantek
tallpaul: meh, more handwaving
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tallpaul
sure, but you still haven't countered the real life exapmle of people woh can gat a phone number but don't have a credit card i.e. me unitl quite recently
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kylewm
(which is silly)
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tantek
tallpaul - see above, you can use bitcoin to get a domain. not the same as cash, but certainly satsfies "don't have a credit card"
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tallpaul
how do I get the bitcoin?
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tantek
I feel like that's a bitcoin FAQ - just google it.
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KartikPrabhu
reading back I am confused. what is the main question/issue?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: you're not confused, it's mostly useless discussion.
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KartikPrabhu
there seems to be some talk about buying things, but that is not the point of indieweb at all
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tantek
what is the point of indieweb?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "point of indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=point+of+indieweb
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tantek
there you go
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KartikPrabhu
yup this "We should be the holders of our own data."
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KartikPrabhu
more layers you put between yourself and your data the more you lose control. So on that spectrum TLDs are much better than subdomains
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tallpaul
I don't think anyones disputing that
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KartikPrabhu
ok so what was the dispute/discussion?
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tantek
the absolutist arguments were attempting to trivialize it
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: good question
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: hence I said spectrum :)
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KartikPrabhu
seems everyone agrees!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: the point is there is pretty big step function between silo subdomain and TLD
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes, particularly with most subdomains given out by silos
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KartikPrabhu
known subdomains smooth it a bit IMO
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KartikPrabhu
s/known/withknown
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: withknown subdomains smooth it a bit IMO
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: is that because of our trust of the Known team, or because there is a stated transition policy from Known subdomains to your own TLD (presumably with Known installed) ?
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tantek
I'd expect to see at least a permalink redirect commitment as part of that - which I don't know if exists or not.
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KartikPrabhu
good point
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tantek
Nor do I know of any other silo that has such a commitment. Export is only one (small) piece of the puzzle.
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aaronpk
hey that's a great thing for /friendly
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tantek.com
edited /why (+61) "explicit p-summary, explicitly include identity as part of ownership"
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tantek
aaronpk, good point
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KevinMarks
.uk doesn't offer privacy afaik - they require a Uk address, and make it visible
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KevinMarks
that was my experience
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KevinMarks
(using hover, who offer free domain privacy by default)
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kylewm
KevinMarks: yeah conflicting information about .co.uk from mapkyca and ShaneHudson in that thread
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aaronpk
.co.uk != .uk
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KevinMarks
this was .me.uk - also tried to get the .uk but the prexisting .co.uk has precedence
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tantek
aaronpk, looks like we already had "Provide HTTP redirects if users want to change their domain name" - cleaning up /friendly now
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KevinMarks
Marco said that tumblr was designed to make it harder to dox users on purpose: http://www.marco.org/2015/01/09/a-teenagers-view-on-social-media
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aaronpk
oh good
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tallpaul
The linked article also specifically calls out anononymity and disposable identity are features of tumblr
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@kevinmarks
“I’d hate to ever have a world in which traditional social networks are the only option…” @marcoarment http://www.marco.org/2015/01/09/a-teenagers-view-on-social-media #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/554735177805475840)
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tantek.com
edited /friendly (+658) "add dfn, restructure to why, how, subheadings for various clusters, friendly services"
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tantek
aaronpk, per your poke, I rewrote a bunch of http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly - please review!
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tantek
!tell benwerd I updated http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly a bunch - would appreciate your review from the perspective of withknown.com - are these requests reasonable? how well does withknown support them?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
I'm late to the game... but re paying for things and credit cards, in case anyone's interested, here's some practical research: https://snarfed.org/privacy_through_prepaid_credit_cards
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snarfed
kylewm: yes! lol. it's a personal hobby; i don't try to impose it on the family
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kylewm
I did not know you went to such lengths, very interesting article
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benwerd_
I love this.
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snarfed
i definitely don't recommend it
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Loqi
benwerd_: tantek left you a message 45 minutes ago: I updated http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly a bunch - would appreciate your review from the perspective of withknown.com - are these requests reasonable? how well does withknown support them?
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snarfed
but hey, hard to choose your passions
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benwerd_
Makes me wonder if there's a market for privacy-orientated payment cards, and if so, exactly how quickly such a service would get shut down
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snarfed
thanks benwerd!
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snarfed
benwerd: the patriot act has mostly already fought it... and then bitcoin arrived
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benwerd_
tantek: Very reasonable, and I think we support all of them (except for rel=canonical, but we'll fix that when we release Known-to-Known syndication more publicly)
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benwerd_
It's a good nudge because we're looking at releasing some "friendly" services ourselves (which obviously will be _very_ friendly)
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aaronpk
iiinteresting? what does that mean?
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benwerd_
We've learned that there are some serious shortcomings to shared hosts. So we're thinking about layering services so that people get to use some cool web stuff that wouldn't otherwise be possible (while still owning all their content etc).
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aaronpk
ah cool. along the links of webmention.io or indieauth.com? (non-identity-providing services)
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benwerd_
and bridgy, come to that. yeah, stuff that you wouldn't be able to do normally without a queue server, or a websockets server, or ... etc.
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benwerd_
otherwise everyone is restricted by whatever you can run on dreamhost, which isn't a great situation for anyone.
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aaronpk
cool, looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd_ by the way, i had found some plugins for cordova that will supposedly encode to some compressed format rather than wav when recording on iOS
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benwerd_
In my copious spare time, I want to start playing with that.
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benwerd_
Thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme
my phone seems to do both in mp4, i don't know if thats cordova doing it or just a coincidence (apparently all android phones do different things)
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@andkjaer
Social Media Jobs: Glow, Boxfish, ‘Consumer Reports’ >> http://allfacebook.com/?p=137217&utm_content=buffer09f9e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Nadine Cheung. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth…
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KartikPrabhu
irrelevant ^
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tantek
checks the logs
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barryf
GWG thanks for helping me discover Pushover (from yesterday's logs). I've set it up to send push notifications for new webmentions.
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tantek
what is Glow?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Glow" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Glow
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tantek
wow that really has nothing to do with indieauth or indieauthor
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tantek
but @andkjaer seems like a real person and only a few hundred tweets despite having been on Twitter for four years.
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tantek
hmm though he does seem to be spamming the IndieAuthor hashtag a lot which seems to have nothing to do with it
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tantek
aaronpk - want to reply to him from @indie_auth asking him why he is hashtagging so many non-indie things as indieauth or indieauthor?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: indieauthor also mean "independent authors" i.e. people who self-publish on the web
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tantek
sure - yet none of those tweets with that hashtag have links to independent publishing
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@GlobalRevLive
VIDEO #indieweb an important idea for networked self publishing see @withknown what @benwerd & @erinjo up to http://vimeo.com/116348410 #Media
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tantek
see now that's more like it
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tantek
hmm found an actual interesting article from that guy's twitter
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tantek
short version: G+ login stats appear to be approaching FB login. (40 vs. 43%)
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snarfed
tantek: i'd be curious to see absolute numbers. if we're talking MMs of people, than maybe that's representative…but i have no idea what market share janrain's libs have
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aaronpk
maybe some day "IndieAuth" will be on there
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tantek
snarfed - indeed, questioning the methodology is reasonable
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snarfed
also, minor nit: if we're talking UX, those users are probably logging into "Google," not "Google+"…but minor point
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snarfed
(only difference is the user mental model, but still)
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tantek
somehow I thought that was all consolidated
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snarfed
plumbing yes. i'm just saying the button probably says "Log in with Google," not "Google+"
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snarfed
again though, very minor point
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snarfed
interesting regardless!
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benwerd_
Anecdotally, I've definitely seen an uptick in "log in with your Google account" sites.
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tantek
aaronpk - rather than having "IndieAuth" as part of the chart - an IndieAuth *chart* (i.e. how are people logging into indieauth) would be far more interesting!
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KartikPrabhu
the proliferation of Gmail helps that
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tantek
nevermind Janrain libs, here's IndieAuth!
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aaronpk
I could certainly generate a chart of stats from indieauth.com
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tantek
you could report stats on a monthly/quarterly basis and make a big social media spalsh ;)
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tantek
s/spalsh/splash
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: you could report stats on a monthly/quarterly basis and make a big social media splash ;)
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tantek
especially if your chart disagrees with JanRain
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KevinMarks_
I wonder how much of that is due to android making it easy to log in with Google
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gRegor`
KartikPrabhu: Forgot if I asked: are you on for HWC Wednesday?
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Loqi
[mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'Join us for Homebrew Website Club this Wednesday! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club https://www.facebook.com/e...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club (/notes/2015/01/12/1/)
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tantek
hooray Matthew Levine is using the wiki again!
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: yes on
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gRegor`
woo!