#indiewebcamp 2015-01-08

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kylewm I would like to come along to Hawaii
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snarfed Jeena: just fyi, your wm handler is 500ing
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snarfed e.g. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1420674465&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyRwsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIjl0YWc6ZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLDIwMTM6MTAxNTM0OTQwODI4Njc2NzhfMTAxNTM0OTQyODQyOTc2NzgM
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Acidnerd thanks kylewm i'll do this for now
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colintedford !tell aaronpk Changed my wiki bookmark to https yesterday & am still logged in today -- thanks! Unrelated: I was surprised to see that indiewebcat's copyright goes back to 1999 ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu Loqi playback?
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Loqi grins profusely
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@RikMende using Chrome for now to update my blog http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/test-from-android-wondering-if-there-is-any-app-i need to implement #POSSE #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553005899452018689)
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KevinMarks !tell snarfed are you expecting the webmention receiver to cache the image for twitter profile pix?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed lol kylewm. how long as the name in your twitter profile been   ? https://twitter.com/kylewm2
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Loqi snarfed: KevinMarks left you a message 39 minutes ago: are you expecting the webmention receiver to cache the image for twitter profile pix?
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snarfed KevinMarks: not explicitly. i just hadn't addressed it.
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kylewm snarfed: just since yesterday, I was feeling trollish i guess
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snarfed ah ok it's intentional
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snarfed KevinMarks: bridgy isn't too special in this case. same thing happens with native indie wms if someone changes the picture in their h-card
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aaronpk good evening
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Loqi aaronpk: colintedford left you a message 1 hour, 44 minutes ago: Changed my wiki bookmark to https yesterday & am still logged in today -- thanks! Unrelated: I was surprised to see that indiewebcat's copyright goes back to 1999 ;)
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aaronpk colintedford: oh good!
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@anomalily .@indiewebcat is happy @aaronpk hot his tooth fixed today. will his RFID crown have webmentions? #indieweb https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/553047777337278466/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/553047777337278466)
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KartikPrabhu !tell KevinMarks: the authors in this unmung-ed feed are linked wrongly. Is multi-author not supported? http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fexport.arxiv.org%2Frss%2Fgr-qc
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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colintedford.com edited /microsyntax (+613) "/* at-sign for in-reply-to URL */ "Seems OK but I use 're: '"" (view diff)
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colintedford Wordpress people (e.g. GWG): If you publish notes (or just untitled posts), how do you deal with WP's title field & the slug?
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prtksxna colintedford: Enter a slug by hand and not fill anything in the title
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prtksxna That is what I do, not sure if its the right way though
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colintedford prtksxna: Thanks. There's no one "right" way :)
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GWG colintedford: I put something in the title field, but I don't display it
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colintedford Leaving the title blank may cause feed readers or Facebook link preview to show either nothing (possibly no link) or "Untitled".
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colintedford Which may or may not matter to you/\
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colintedford GWG: do you enter it by hand or automatically?
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GWG By hand, when I do the post.
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GWG I pick something quickly.
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colintedford Cool. I tried an auto-title plugin but didn't like how it worked.
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colintedford It also had shortcodes you could use but at that point might as well copy & paste.
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colintedford My current thought is I'd like to use the text up to the first "pausing" punctuation (comma, [semi]colon, period, etc.)
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colintedford So I'm manually copying that into the field to see how I feel about it.
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colintedford I'm also wrapping that segment in p-name in preparation for when I have the rest of the h-entry markup.
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prtksxna Doing it manually doesn't take much time imo
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colintedford That's true.
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GWG I'm doing the markup automatically. I don't mind adding boxes to my post UI.
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colintedford I'd still prefer to just type my post if possible, though.
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colintedford I set up a button for the p-name markup, but I'd like to have it happen automatically by the criteria above and have that fill the title too.
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GWG colintedford: That could be done by a plugin, if you have parameters
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colintedford Yeah, I'm not a programmer but I was thinking about trying to modify the existing auto-title plugin.
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colintedford But figured I'd ask to see if anyone else was interested, especially enough to do it instead of me ;)
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GWG colintedford: I'm not one either.
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colintedford You seem to be doing pretty well considering!
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colintedford Wait, what is your day job again (vaguely if need be)? I thought I remembered it sounding technical.
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GWG I train people in a corporate setting
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GWG I studied to be a librarian though
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GWG I took programming in school some years ago.
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colintedford Train on computer stuff or something else?
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colintedford (not that it's any of my biz)
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GWG Not exactly. Though everyone uses computers.
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GWG Most jobs require them, so I do show people a little of that as needed
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colintedford Huh, not sure where I got my impression from!
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GWG But, I have to learn PHP commands as I need them
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colintedford Anyway, kudos on bringing more indiewebness to Wordpress GWG++
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GWG colintedford: Pull Requests, Issues, and Feature Requests always welcome
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colintedford I haven't tried any of it out yet :)
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GWG I want to make it better
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colintedford Holding off on adding the cool new indieweb features b/c it'll make it harder for me to migrate later
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colintedford Plus I'm focusing on more basic stuff at the moment.
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GWG Well, I design things based on my ability.
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GWG I added a bunch of boxes to allow data to be stored.
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GWG I haven't gotten to writing code to automatically fill them
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kylewm I thought WP had an aside post type that didn't need a title?
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GWG kylewm: It doesn't display a title
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colintedford kylewm: You can leave a title off anything actually.
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GWG And it isn't a post type. It is a post format
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GWG I've gotten rid of post formats
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colintedford Asides typically have the title hidden but it depends on them support.
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GWG I should write that up
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GWG I don't think I ever explained Post Kinds in a post
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colintedford theme* support
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Loqi yea
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colintedford Usually they're hidden w/ CSS but I'm actually taking the title markup for Asides out of my theme altogether.
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kylewm GWG: Post Kind, Format, and Type are three distinct concepts??
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GWG Not exactly
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GWG WordPress has Custom Post Types. Which are more content types
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GWG Post Formats are a custom taxonomy that is used to style posts.
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GWG The taxonomy slug for post formats happens to be 'type' though
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GWG So, I needed a term that wasn't being used
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GWG Post Kinds are my custom taxonomy that is used to classify Indieweb styles of posts
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GWG Such as Reply, Like, Favorite, Bookmark, Article, Note, etc.
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kylewm I see
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GWG All without needing to add a bunch of Custom Post Types.
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GWG So, I ripped off Post Formats
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kylewm GWG: I think I understand plus or minus
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colintedford GWG: Copy that explanation down somewhere! :)
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GWG I will
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GWG Originally, Indieweb Post Kinds was Indieweb Taxonomy. But I rewrote it to work a bit more like Post Formats.
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colintedford !tell tantek re: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Note_Type_Algorithm it looks like " if the tname is a prefix of tcontent" only applies to ellipsed names (w/ ellipsis dropped for the check); is it also meant to apply to non-ellipsed? Wondering b/c I'm thinking of setting my note names w/ a span on the text up to first punctuation.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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colintedford !tell tantek Er wait, I guess notes are supposed to be plaintext-y so maybe that makes my notes not fit the "standard" definition? Looking for input anyway.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [bridgy] Casper Qvortrup favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Instead_use (https://twitter.com/t/status/551789064643698688)
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Loqi [bridgy] Casper Qvortrup favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Why (https://twitter.com/t/status/551649193639813120)
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Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Instead_use (https://twitter.com/t/status/551789064643698688)
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Phyks bear: ok, nice ! Was planning on writing a Python lib to publish with micropub, but came across yours. No need to reinvent the wheel :)
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Loqi Phyks: bear left you a message on 1/7 at 9:14am: I have the start for micropub in place, just need to finish the tests before declaring it ready and pushing the code
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Phyks Loqi tell bear ok, nice ! Was planning on writing a Python lib to publish with micropub, but came across yours. No need to reinvent the wheel :)
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Loqi grins profusely
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Phyks erf =(
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jonnybarnes use !tell
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Phyks !tell bear ok, nice ! Was planning on writing a Python lib to publish with micropub, but came across yours. No need to reinvent the wheel :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Phyks jonnybarnes: ty :)
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jonnybarnes np
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor sonicpunk
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KartikPrabhu indie-visitor: use /nick and then name
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sonicpunk I have just heard about the indie web on the working draft podcast and just wanted to check it out
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KartikPrabhu welcome
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KartikPrabhu sonicpunk: do you already have a website or looking to get one?
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sonicpunk I am a web developer
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sonicpunk and have my own website, but I currently am not using the site for my social media activity
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sonicpunk I am looking for materials showing me how to integrate it possibly in either my site or that of my clients
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sonicpunk I am just brushing through the getting started page on indiewebcamp.com
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KartikPrabhu you might want to start here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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KartikPrabhu sonicpunk: good start :)
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sonicpunk does it require that I register with the indie web camp?
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KartikPrabhu there is no "register"
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KartikPrabhu the whole point is to own you data online, it would be ludicrous to require people to "register" to do that
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sonicpunk I understand
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sonicpunk so then I need to go here https://indiewebcamp.com/projects and decide what I want to integrate into my site?
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KartikPrabhu sonicpunk: those are projects used by people here to run their own websites. you might find code you can use, but it is unlikely that you'll find a simple "plugin" that will give you "indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu there are a lot of Wordpress plugins though
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sonicpunk I think that Posse is what is interesting me
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KartikPrabhu what is POSSE
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Loqi POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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KartikPrabhu well there is your in ^
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sonicpunk I would be interested in writting a publishing tool that does just that, but using the MODX CMF
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KartikPrabhu I have no idea what MODX CMF is
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sonicpunk no problem
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sonicpunk www.modx.com
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sonicpunk an open source content management framework
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sonicpunk based on PHP
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sonicpunk very flexible
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sonicpunk nice community
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KartikPrabhu seems you'll have to write your own code that talks to the silo APIs
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prtksxna Hey KartikPrabhu! How is it going?
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prtksxna :|
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KartikPrabhu hi prtksxna
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KartikPrabhu it is going well
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prtksxna KartikPrabhu: o/
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Loqi [mention] Peter Molnar posted 'A long time ago, as many still does, I had my own CMS. It was fun and it was needed since the ones available that time – like PHP-Nuke – wer...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (https://petermolnar.eu/linux-tech-coding/wordpress-retouch/)
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Loqi [mention] Peter Molnar posted 'A long time ago, as many still does, I had my own CMS. It was fun and it was needed since the ones available that time – like PHP-Nuke – wer...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (https://petermolnar.eu/linux-tech-coding/wordpress-retouch/)
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petermolnar Loqi, why do you say it twice, say it twice?
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Loqi petermolnar: kylewm left you a message on 1/7 at 11:14am: genuinely curious, why do you say the MySQL storage backend for Known is not nice?
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Loqi yeah!
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petermolnar re kylewm & known vs mysql: the last time I checked known was storing json strings in mysql with data that, in a relational db, should be in separate columns, with proper table interconnections; MySQL is not a document storage system and should not be treated as one
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petermolnar !tell kylewm on known vs mysql: the last time I checked known was storing json strings in mysql with data that, in a relational db, should be in separate columns, with proper table interconnections; MySQL is not a document storage system and should not be treated as one
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jimgroom Working on my first fullblown presentation about #domains #reclaim #indieweb, and #containerization Loving it. (twitter.com/_/status/553184689997889538)
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@OnlineCrsLady RT @jimgroom: Working on my first fullblown presentation about #domains #reclaim #indieweb, & #containerization Loving it. | #OpenTeachingOU (twitter.com/_/status/553210749548773376)
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@dkreuz IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/553212433624743936)
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GWG petermolnar: Read your article. May reply to it.
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kylewm petermolnar: hmm, using mysql in this way is not without precedent. https://backchannel.org/blog/friendfeed-schemaless-mysql
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Loqi kylewm: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 13 minutes ago: on known vs mysql: the last time I checked known was storing json strings in mysql with data that, in a relational db, should be in separate columns, with proper table interconnections; MySQL is not a document storage system and should not be treated as one
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kylewm I believe Reddit does/did the same thing
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ben_thatmust good morning #indiewebcamp
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petermolnar kylewm it can be forced, yes, but you're using a relational db to do something else
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ben_thatmust well depends. if you never plan to use that data to do joins at all inside sql, there isn't really too much of a downside
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petermolnar apart from the serious waste of storage, the bandwidth overhead for transporting the data and the lack of using the proper data types, no, there are no downsides
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petermolnar ( I know storage is somewhat cheap today, but that does not make it right not to optimize )
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ben_thatmust the storage isn't that serious really, assuming you store as text its an adjusting size field, you are storing the field names again, sure, but you also are dropping any indexes and field types for all those other fields you would need otherwise. plus you have to manage migrations any time you add something, bandwidth is the same arguement
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ben_thatmust lack of data types is choice, depending on what you are using it for, thats fine
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ben_thatmust if you are only using the field in an untyped language, it doesn't matter at all
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ben_thatmust there is such a thing as overoptimization. EBCNF comes starts to hit that line :P
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aaronpk good morning!
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GWG Morning aaronpk
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ben_thatmust morning
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GWG ben_thatmust: Afternoon
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+2014) "a few more subsections, HWC, Press, Indie Term Re-use" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+0) "/* Indie Term Re-use */ typo" (view diff)
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ben_thatmust new build of my mobile app pushed this morning
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ben_thatmust actual configs!
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ben_thatmust actually i haven't even tested it yet
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GWG Yay
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Loqi :D
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@kevinmarks “Every new page makes the Web bigger. Every new link makes the Web richer.” http://cluetrain.com/newclues/ by @dsearls and @dweinberger #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553243356747149312)
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tantek.com created /founders (+994) "stub indiewebcamp and indieweb" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://josephratliff.com/new-clues-cluetrain-manifesto-strikes-back/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (pingback)
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snarfed holds back from wading into the debate over known's mysql data model
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snarfed …just barely
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aaronpk oh no
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snarfed hey, i said *held back* :P
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ben_thatmust i just like to always play devils advocate too
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ben_thatmust i could also just quote the lyrics to the intro theme to different strokes
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+34) "/* Press */ link to posts about" (view diff)
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snarfed kylewm: trying out liking an instagram photo via bridgy publish
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snarfed the embed in the preview looks great
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snarfed and yay, the actual publish worked!
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snarfed nice work!
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 95 karma
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snarfed (background for everyone else: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/326 )
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aaronpk this is neat. I'm getting webmention notifications that other people are being invited to a facebook event I made
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snarfed yay!
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Loqi yay!
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kylewm it's especially great now that the invites turn into RSVPs now
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kylewm snarfed++ for that
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Loqi snarfed has 73 karma
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kylewm trading karma!
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aaronpk oh is that bridgy doing that? i noticed that the invites were disappearing when people RSVPd yes or no!
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/321
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aaronpk nice
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GWG I'm looking at responsive images again. Is anyone using the picture tag or srcset?
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+42) "dfn" (view diff)
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kylewm GWG, adactio.com uses <img srcset>
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GWG kylewm: Wonder if it is worth adopting
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@kevinmarks “the world of online toolmakers should better reflect the diversity of the users of the Internet. ” - @EFF https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/facing-challenge-online-harassment #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553275373928980480)
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@julien51 @acarvin @chrismessina @waxpancake That would be PESOS in #indieweb terms! https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS =) (twitter.com/_/status/553275513691967488)
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kylewm !tell Phyks any idea why you are not receiving my comment here? https://kylewm.com/2015/01/interesting-this-is-basically-the-unofficial-api
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmust hmm, so aaronpk, I was able to switch it to 'photo' instead of file
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aaronpk oh great!
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ben_thatmust my next test is going to be audio files
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ben_thatmust 'audio' ?
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aaronpk "audio" seems generic enough. rather than "sound" or "music"
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ben_thatmust does Known use MP for its posting, as I know it does audio files
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aaronpk not internally
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ben_thatmust ah
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ben_thatmust and then you said ownyourgram does 'video' right?
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ben_thatmust i'll have to work that out on my site too
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aaronpk yeah. and when it sends the video, it also sends a thumbnail as a "photo" jpg
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ben_thatmust hmm, can't do that from the app sadly, one file per upload from the looks of it
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@kevinmarks “Faceboo… views links to outside pages as a problem to be solved” http://www.theawl.com/2015/01/everything-ends #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553279889499901952)
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@kevinmarks “Facebook … views links to outside pages as a problem to be solved” http://www.theawl.com/2015/01/everything-ends #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553280274079834112)
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GWG Feh.
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@kevinmarks @waxpancake that was true of lots of silos. Until it wasn't. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/553283455316795392)
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KevinMarks Ben/Aaron does that work for building forms? Input type is file, not audio, or am I misunderstanding?
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Loqi KevinMarks: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 1/7 at 9:10pm: the authors in this unmung-ed feed are linked wrongly. Is multi-author not supported? http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fexport.arxiv.org%2Frss%2Fgr-qc
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kylewm tantek++ I have been using /FreeMyOAuth a lot, so much easier than trying to find those settings on the sites themselves
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Loqi tantek has 136 karma
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aaronpk KevinMarks: we're talking about the name of the form field
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aaronpk <input type="file" name="photo"> <input type="file" name="video">
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Loqi [bridgy] Hannah Stewart favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/553283455316795392)
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aaronpk oh no why does webmention.io think that the site deaths page is kevin's tweet?
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aaronpk well that is strange, bridgy is showing that as a like-of the site-deaths page
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aaronpk https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/553283455316795392/88408565
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aaronpk is that because it's the last URL in the tweet so it thinks it's a permacitation?
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kylewm is that strange? I thought bridgy always did that if it didn't find an alternative original post
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aaronpk ah
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kylewm very possible that has changed recently
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aaronpk that's too bad tho, i can't really fix that on my end cause bridgy is saying that's a fav of the wiki page
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snarfed yup. long standing bridgy debate. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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aaronpk ah that one
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aaronpk I wonder...
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aaronpk if someone is using citations in that format, then wouldn't they always be either a) preceded by ellipses, or b) wrapped in parentheses?
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snarfed aaronpk: not always
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snarfed e.g. mine aren't, among others
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aaronpk hm I see, yours are sometimes more like the post title with a link to the post
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aaronpk a lot of yours are preceded by a colon tho
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snarfed some. more older ones, less recent
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@kylewm2 new Bridgy Publish feature: you can now publish “likes” to Instagram #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553288341354213376)
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snarfed kylewm++ yay! *great* feature
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Loqi kylewm has 96 karma
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snarfed here's an example: https://snarfed.org/2015-01-08_photo-by-thejohnnysmith-2
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snarfed (doc update on the way)
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snarfed congrats on the launch kylewm!
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@schnarfed RT @kylewm2: new Bridgy Publish feature: you can now publish “likes” to Instagram #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/553288818770464768)
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kylewm thanks!
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk wow i've never seen the instagram embed before
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@tgb KyleWm on Twitter: "new Bridgy Publish feature: you can now publish “likes” to Instagram #indieweb" - http://www.tombruning.com/archives/657 (twitter.com/_/status/553289592376655872)
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@tgb KyleWm on Twitter: “new Bridgy Publish feature: you can now publish “likes” to Instagram #indieweb” http://www.tombruning.com/archives/657 (twitter.com/_/status/553289635514695680)
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kylewm I guess the case where you wouldn't have ellipsis or parentheses is if you were POSSEing an article to twitter, with just "title link"
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kylewm s/the case/one case
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: I guess one case where you wouldn't have ellipsis or parentheses is if you were POSSEing an article to twitter, with just "title link"
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@tgb KyleWm on Twitter: “new Bridgy Publish feature: you can now publish “likes” to Instagram #indieweb”. https://plus.google.com/+TomBruning/posts/LSiua17EUXM (twitter.com/_/status/553293028345905153)
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KevinMarks Bridgy is a bit over eager to think that a tweet is a POSSE tweet
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KevinMarks I get that a lot as I frequently tweet a link to my own posts as part of a discussion
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KevinMarks And bridgy decides it's a POSSE, so doesn't show context for subsequent replies. I like getting the replies, but missing my link can make the webmentions look odd
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aaronpk maybe there could be a way for a domain to opt-out of that overaggressive assumption
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snarfed aaronpk: interesting idea!
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snarfed KevinMarks: yeah, we've debated it before. details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 . i liked your idea of using a time window
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snarfed …in http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#24hr_mitigation
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KevinMarks Hm, I'm getting 404s on the tweet links
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KevinMarks The date heuristic makes less sense for a wiki page too. It is a bit odd that it thought I was owner of the page
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snarfed if only i knew which domains were wikis :P
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tantek kylewm++ for Bridgy Publish of IG likes!
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Loqi tantek: colintedford left you a message on 1/7 at 9:54pm: re: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Note_Type_Algorithm it looks like " if the tname is a prefix of tcontent" only applies to ellipsed names (w/ ellipsis dropped for the check); is it also meant to apply to non-ellipsed? Wondering b/c I'm thinking of setting my note names w/ a span on the text up to first punctuation.
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Loqi tantek: colintedford left you a message on 1/7 at 9:58pm: Er wait, I guess notes are supposed to be plaintext-y so maybe that makes my notes not fit the "standard" definition? Looking for input anyway.
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Loqi kylewm has 97 karma
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tantek snarfed - I believe we've had this discussion before. Re: Twitter in particular, only allowing for perma(short)links of the same domain as the website in the user's profile page.
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tantek (following redirects of course)
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snarfed yup, i tried to capture most of the past debates in the gh issue and other links earlier in the irc log
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snarfed (also including http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#Brainstorming )
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tantek hmm - actually steps 7-8 in http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#Algorithm would resolve this
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tantek are are you trying to avoid an HTTP request of the original-post
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snarfed that resolves it for people who provide u-syndication links
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snarfed but those are still the minority
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tantek really? hmm. I thought with known (so to speak) that they are now the majority
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kylewm part of the problem was people syndicating and then manually adding the u-syndication links ... there's a race condition
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snarfed known is a good plurality of indieweb sites, but not sure it's the majority
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snarfed regardless, i can rephrase as, i don't plan to make syndication links a req't for bridgy users
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tantek ok
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tantek what about http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#POSSE_copy_domain_approximation then?
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tantek that seems like a reasonable config requirement
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tantek since they're likely have already done it for IndieAuth
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snarfed tantek: looks the same as your earlier suggestion: only consider a link to be the original copy if it's on a domain in the user's silo profile
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snarfed ?
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snarfed that's reasonable, i'd consider that
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tantek yes - I knew I'd written it down before :)
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kylewm KevinMarks: would that be satisfactory to you? It wouldn't solve you "often link to old blog posts" case
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tantek kylewm: until KevinMarks moves those old blog posts to kevinmarks.com and links to the copy on his own domain (instead of blogger)
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tantek funny - the (Follow) button doesn't work on Twitter, e.g. https://twitter.com/upcomingorg without JS
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aaronpk that doesn't surprise me
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tantek and it appears they've completely disabled viewing profile pages in mobile without JS!
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tantek https://mobile.twitter.com/upcomingorg ==> "JavaScript must be enabled to use Twitter Mobile. Please enable JavaScript in your browser and try again."
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aaronpk ouch
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tantek and no content from @upcomingorg
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tantek one more thing for /Twitter#Criticism - since they're unlikely to fix it
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+693) "/* Criticism */ Broken Without JS" (view diff)
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aaronpk <3 bridgy
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aaronpk every now and then I remember how great it is
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snarfed aww it <3s you too
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pwcc GWG: feature plugin for responsive images. Only srcset so not appropriate for art direction. https://github.com/ResponsiveImagesCG/wp-tevko-responsive-images
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pwcc aaronpk: it really is.
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GWG Hello, pwcc
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GWG pwcc: I've seen some of the WordPress stuff. I was looking for more anecdotal.
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pwcc GWG: ah, I see.
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@kevinmarks @sadams_s it's one of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" bits of tech. http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#Criticism sums it up (twitter.com/_/status/553331943497285632)
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Loqi [bridgy] Steve Adams favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#Criticism (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/553331943497285632)
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aaronpk okay *that* one shouldn't have looked like a permacitation
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aaronpk can I call that one a bridgy bug?
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aaronpk https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/553331943497285632/20616464
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snarfed aaronpk: never. must be your hardware.
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aaronpk lol
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snarfed it's not just pscs/psls that get interpreted as original posts
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snarfed basically, bridgy's very promiscuous and interprets links as OPs *unless* it finds a syndication link somewhere for that silo post. then it uses that link's source as the OP, and everything else gets demoted to mention
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snarfed (the same may happen if there's a PSC. not sure, but that's rare anyway.)
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snarfed that's obviously aggressive, but it was intentional, esp in the early days. it may be time to pull back a bit now, e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51#issuecomment-69253125
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tantek alright let's see if I can answer that !tell earlier
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KevinMarks It's partly my fault for using twitter directly and not posting notes on my own site perhaps?
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tantek !tell colintedford yes ellipsis is irrelevant there. prefix of plaintext versions with ws normalization and dropping ellipsis is the key.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next