#indiewebcamp 2014-12-13

2014-12-13 UTC
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@kevinmarks @pamelafox also a good question to ask in #indiewebcamp irc (twitter.com/_/status/543586357138817025)
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aaronpk !tell snarfed there's some funny markup happening on bridgy posts with <p class="u-mention"> ... what happened?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: example link?
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aaronpk https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/11500459/10101739853306936/501544848
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aaronpk it's when my post links to other pages
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aaronpk i think he's trying to make the parsed mf2 contain u-mention links to the other URLs
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aaronpk whereas the bridgy post is a like of my original post
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aaronpk okay brace yourselves. webmention.io is getting some updates
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KartikPrabhu i think bridgy uses it to distinguish mentions from likes and so on, but they need not be explicit
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aaronpk no it's good that it's explicit. it's just not valid mf2 right now
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aaronpk u-mention doesn't make sense on a <p> tag
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KartikPrabhu true
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aaronpk okay that stuff is live
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aaronpk now we just have to wait for someone to link to the wiki
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Loqi [bridgy] Aaron Parecki favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP (https://twitter.com/xtof_fr/status/543410104641413121)
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aaronpk oh hey there is one
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aaronpk heh the bridgy twitter likes are different from the FB ones. it has u-like-of of both URLs https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/xtof_fr/543410104641413121/14447132
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aaronpk that notification should have said "favorited a tweet linking to ..."
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colintedford Anyone else having trouble with the IWC front page?
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colintedford Like "301 Moved Permanently" trouble?
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colintedford !tell aaronpk I see a 301 error page where IWC's homepage should be. Other pages seem fine.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Dammit
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Loqi aaronpk: colintedford left you a message 38 seconds ago: I see a 301 error page where IWC's homepage should be. Other pages seem fine.
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aaronpk ooooops
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aaronpk wtf nginx
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aaronpk oh my bad
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aaronpk fixed!
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aaronpk thanks colintedford
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aaronpk that was one of the "side effects" i was worried about: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/17#issuecomment-66861083
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colintedford np
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colintedford Ah, well on the bright side now you've solved *2* problems ;)
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aaronpk now time to solve mooooore!
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aaronpk working on https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/31
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aaronpk running into some issues where it's going to be complicated to check permissions of all the targets specified
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aaronpk I wonder if I should just drop the whole private access thing and allow public retrieval of all mentions
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure everyone who is actualy using it is allowing public access so JS widgets can fetch the mentions
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aaronpk okay yep.
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aaronpk documented here: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/commit/f15c0a9dbccfe770cfcffd8e46da9ab25c9c6a1a
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snarfed yay pretty notifs!
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snarfed triaging issues now
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 46 minutes ago: there's some funny markup happening on bridgy posts with <p class="u-mention"> ... what happened?
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snarfed (lurkers here, feel free to follow along on https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/34)
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aaronpk guess i should have filed that on bridgy?
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snarfed :P np
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snarfed aaronpk: i don't quite follow your last comment on that bug
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/commit/678370b7dd4f7bc9915111db7eb272a4689af8fb
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snarfed thanks, looking
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aaronpk the first test mention I sent myself on my dev copy said "snarfed liked a post linking to aaronparecki.com/...." but really it was a like of that post
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snarfed ah, for non-bridgy wms
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snarfed i think we still need the "linking to" for bridgy wms, but just for them
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aaronpk no, it's not a special case for bridgy
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aaronpk so problem 1 is bridgy's twitter links are mis-attributing the like.
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aaronpk s/links/likes
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: so problem 1 is bridgy's twitter likes are mis-attributing the like.
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snarfed debatable - we've debated it before - but ok
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aaronpk no, you've already switched it on facebook likes
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snarfed it's not silo specific. i drop links to u-mention when i've found a syndication link on your site
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aaronpk oboy
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aaronpk okay
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snarfed but if i haven't, i'm inferring that links are original post links. which is obviously not ideal, but it's the compromise i've gone with so far
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk okay so this one is great, assuming the u-mention markup is fixed https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/11500459/10101739853306936/501544848
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snarfed the question is, in the plain text of a silo post, how to distinguish original post links from mention links
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snarfed we've discussed ideas before, e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#POSSE_copy_domain_approximation , but afaik we haven't found a silver bullet yet
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snarfed i'll fix u-mention now
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aaronpk are there examples of this happening on non-bridgy urls?
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snarfed "this" ?
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aaronpk "X liked a post that linked to Y"
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snarfed i don't think so. wmio wouldn't get the mention for that
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snarfed unless it happened to also handle the post's wms, which would be just a coincidence
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aaronpk it would if the "like" post actually showed the reply context
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snarfed ah. sure! but that's site-specific, since reply context display is individual preference
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aaronpk i want to get this right for the non-bridgy case, then we can reverse engineer what bridgy should be doing
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aaronpk yeah but if wmio gets a webmention for a like post that has reply context, it's going to need to craft that sentence
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snarfed right. i guess i just expect that will be rare to never
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aaronpk really? i think that is quite likely
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aaronpk my site would do it if i published likes
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snarfed ok!
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snarfed regardless, i understand what you're going for. i'm all for it. :P
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aaronpk it should do it for replies now, i'm just trying to find an examples
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aaronpk here's one, not a very good example, but still: https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/27/1/indieweb
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aaronpk that should result in a webmention sent to wmio with a target of indiewebcamp.com as well as one for the /wiki/backup page
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snarfed yup, agreed
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aaronpk the text shoudl be "aaron replied to a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com"
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snarfed ok. so if we see the source is a reply/like/etc (based on mf2), but the in-reply-to (etc) link *isn't* the target, then we do this code path of "aaron Xed a post that linked to…"
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aaronpk that sounds reasonable
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snarfed ideally we'll need to account for redirects, ignore scheme, etc, but easy to ignore those for now
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aaronpk i hope we don't have to follow redirects
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aaronpk i'm going to give this a shot
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snarfed great!
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snarfed thanks for iterating
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aaronpk oy, the h-cite case is hard
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aaronpk shoot, I don't think the ruby parser is doing this right
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aaronpk well the parser part is fine, but all the helper methods aren't
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to drop down to the to_hash version of this, darn
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snarfed1 sounds like the same reason i had to make that maybe_get fn
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aaronpk yeah, the ruby convenience methods are a little finicky
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aaronpk i think i've got it!
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snarfed yay!
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk do you have an example URL that uses h-as-like?
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snarfed specifically? ie not just u-like-of
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snarfed i don't think so
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aaronpk hm, it's an additional check in the code
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aaronpk "... or entry.format_types.member? 'h-as-like'"
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aaronpk i'm tempted to just take that out
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snarfed oh i see
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snarfed yeah, if we think the h-as-* are sufficiently rare, then sure
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aaronpk this is only going to break if there is an h-as-* that does not also include the URL in a like-of property
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aaronpk which seems unlikely
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snarfed yup, sgtm
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aaronpk ok i'm pretty sure this is gonna work!
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aaronpk works for my complicated h-cite reply
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snarfed nice!
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snarfed bridgy markup fix will be up in a min
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aaronpk sweet
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aaronpk i need an example of someone who shows reply context but doesn't use h-cite
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aaronpk oh i think i can fake it for the test
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snarfed deployed mine
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snarfed looking fwd to seeing your to_hash approach to the broken dynamic methods (vs the maybe_get)
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aaronpk so close
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aaronpk okay deploying it now!
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snarfed fingers crossed!
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snarfed goes to fave and RT random tweets
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk i haven't tested it with bridgy URLs yet
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snarfed heh ok
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aaronpk only native posts like my replies, or ben's replies
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aaronpk so we'll see what hapens
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aaronpk hah... just realized twitter actualy generates these types of notifications already
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aaronpk "Dora favorited a tweet you were mentioned in"
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snarfed aha yes
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP (https://twitter.com/xtof_fr/status/543410104641413121)
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snarfed yaaay
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aaronpk nice!!
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snarfed so much nicer
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snarfed now bridgy will no longer generate a low background buzz of annoyance here
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snarfed thanks again!
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aaronpk hooray!
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/FreeMyOAuth (https://twitter.com/t/status/540211039452037122)
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@corps_winford RT @JaimieHollick Sometimes I feel this way, especially during the sprint of #nanowrimo #amwriting #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/543647064664834049)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: messages?
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Loqi [mention] yatil posted 'Heinz Wittenbrink hat ein ”žvorsichtiges Plädoyer für eine Doppelstrategie“ zum Posten von Beiträgen auf Medium und einem eigenen Blog veröff...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com (http://yatil.de/medium-vs-blog-ein-pladoyer-furs-eigene-blog/)
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Loqi [mention] yatil posted 'Heinz Wittenbrink hat ein ”žvorsichtiges Plädoyer für eine Doppelstrategie“ zum Posten von Beiträgen auf Medium und einem eigenen Blog veröff...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (http://yatil.de/medium-vs-blog-ein-pladoyer-furs-eigene-blog/)
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aaronpk oh you know what... this notification sentence really should be returned via the API as well
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aaronpk at which point I might drop native webmention procesing from p3k and use webmention.io's instead
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aaronpk because I don't wanna do all the parsing work twice
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aaronpk !tell bret I fixed the CORS headers and content type on webmention.io and now your comments are displaying again!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk b 20
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