#indiewebcamp 2014-11-23

2014-11-23 UTC
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@kevinmarks @benwerd twitter handles but no urls? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536311995696287744)
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@aaronpk @marshallk Since we are also in the same city, I'd love to chat about webmentions and see how other #indieweb... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/22/1/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536343864261361665)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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GWG Good evening, tantek.
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Loqi [mention] http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/gammaire-merci-pour-linfo-rapidement-lu-les-cgu-de-medium linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/medium (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/gammaire-merci-pour-linfo-rapidement-lu-les-cgu-de-medium linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/medium#Criticism (webmention)
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@BordeauxJS Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536477857971990529)
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@DavidBruant RT @BordeauxJS: Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536477940079681536)
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@pierreozoux RT @BordeauxJS: Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536478723110088704)
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@IndieHosters RT @BordeauxJS: Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536481035144671232)
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@JockelLohkamp European Parliament may propose #Google break-up in draft resolution http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-google-antitrust-idUSKCN0J525V20141121 @reuters #EU #search #internet #indieweb #IoT (twitter.com/_/status/536483618839724032)
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@iotattack European Parliament may propose #Google break-up in draft resolution http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-google-antitrust-idUSKCN0J525V20141121 reuters #EU #search #internet #indieweb #Io... (twitter.com/_/status/536484080146460672)
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@digisquare_bx RT @BordeauxJS: Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536489623133097984)
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@Atarkyacreative Coming December Witness the Journey of Saurabh Aggarwal #ironman #indieweb #DocumentaryOfTheDay #Documentary2 https://twitter.com/Atarkyacreative/status/536512591728607232/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/536512591728607232)
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@shiva61088 RT @Atarkyacreative: Coming December Witness the Journey of Saurabh Aggarwal #ironman #indieweb #DocumentaryOfTheDay #Documentary2 http://… (twitter.com/_/status/536512635697524736)
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@lisamentel Alix - Generationals. One of the best albums ❤️ #Generationals #Alix #NewFavorite #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/536532838108368896)
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aaronpk huh, bridgy stopped finding comments and things for me
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aaronpk my twitter was last polled 8 minutes ago but the last thing it found was 11 hours ago
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aaronpk and oops my facebook got disconnected but I didn't see a notification about it :(
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aaronpk maybe the only probelm was facebook was disconnected. not actually sure if there was any twitter activity more recent than 11 hours ago
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mff.io edited /IRC_People (+51) "+ mikelodeon" (view diff)
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mff.io edited /IRC_People (-4) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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dubiousdod.org created /WebmentionDressing (+2411) "As suggested by GWG" (view diff)
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@withknown Using our new KML output template, @erinjo is mapping her check-ins to her Known site. More soon! #indieweb https://twitter.com/withknown/status/536566606856343552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/536566606856343552)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: Using our new KML output template, @erinjo is mapping her check-ins to her Known site. More soon! #indieweb http://t.co/ynBD… (twitter.com/_/status/536566893042495488)
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@edouard_lopez RT @BordeauxJS: Jeudi 18 décembre, @pierreozoux nous parlera de CoreOS et du mouvement Indieweb. http://www.meetup.com/BordeauxJS/events/218850797/ (twitter.com/_/status/536567236467904512)
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@TheRealDod New #indieWebCamp wiki page for https://indiewebcamp.com/WebmentionDressing tl;dr - “iframe ready” #mustache-themeable https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/new-indiewebcamp-wiki-page-for-webmentiondressing (twitter.com/_/status/536567602790014976)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/new-indiewebcamp-wiki-page-for-webmentiondressing linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/new-indiewebcamp-wiki-page-for-webmentiondressing linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention.io (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/new-indiewebcamp-wiki-page-for-webmentiondressing linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/new-indiewebcamp-wiki-page-for-webmentiondressing linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/WebmentionDressing (webmention)
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thedod_ epic. no?
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thedod_ snickers
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snarfed aaronpk: huh. sorry about that! i'll look into it
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@kevinmarks RT @withknown: Using our new KML output template, @erinjo is mapping her check-ins to her Known site. More soon! #indieweb http://t.co/ynBD… (twitter.com/_/status/536568483392155649)
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@RickJWaghorn "@withknown: Using new KML output @erinjo is mapping her check-ins #indieweb http://t.co/2d0uUD7gKM"< @benwerd Offer relevant ad opps #local (twitter.com/_/status/536568536517607424)
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@RickJWaghorn "@withknown: @erinjo is mapping her check-ins to her Known site #indieweb http://t.co/2d0uUD7gKM" <V interesting audience map for advertiser (twitter.com/_/status/536568880488271872)
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@TheRealDod RT @withknown: Using our new KML output template, @erinjo is mapping her check-ins to her Known site. More soon! #indieweb http://t.co/ynBD… (twitter.com/_/status/536572628438614017)
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thedod_ rascul, I see you don't support webmentions yet. Want to try and give the webmention.io + WebmentionDressing combo a whirl?
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rascul not yet
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thedod_ cool
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rascul i have more things to do with my static generator before i'm ready for webmentions
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thedod_ that's why I thought about it. because it's static
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thedod_ but no rush
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rascul i have plans for webmentions in due time though
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aaronpk bah why do all the php flickr libraries suck so bad
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GWG aaronpk: Not sure. Why?
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aaronpk right now i'm fighting with https://github.com/dopiaza/DPZFlickr
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aaronpk it seems to assume it will only be run from the browser, so it uses $_SESSION for a bunch of stuff. but what if I want to run it from the command line!
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@sil hm, has just occurred to me that while I'm halfway through implementing webmentions, I can't publish blog posts. Oops. (twitter.com/_/status/536592416569294848)
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thedod_ at last I wrole something about IWC at my "official" homepage: https://dubiousdod.org/go/IndieWebCamp (requires JS, tantek_ :( )
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pdurbin thedod_: nice. typo: "indiew photo tagging"
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thedod_ thanks
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thedod_ saving (Would take a minute to update the cloud). BTW, I have a *cultural* proposal re tagging.
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thedod_ suppose a photo tag should be verified by the tagged person (using an existing protocol like webmention, or something else)
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thedod_ and if I don't say "Yes. It's me, and it's OK to tell others that it's me", it's considered *bad manners* to display this iformation.
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thedod_ Like photos of "what happened in Vegas"
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thedod_ nasty people can still dox you, but the standard dictates how to be "nice" programmatically
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thedod_ all in favor say aye
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gRegor` Webmention already indicates it's up to the receiver what to do with the webmention
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gRegor` I certainly wouldn't accept any and all /person-tag without some form of moderation or confirmed existing relationship
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@henri_nourel IndieWebCamp - The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. Your content is yours... http://henri-nourel.tumblr.com/post/103399951482/indiewebcamp#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/536628143168430080)
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@henri_nourel IndieWebify.Me - a guide to getting you on the IndieWeb - We should all own the content we’re creating,... http://henri-nourel.tumblr.com/post/103400087172/indiewebify-me-a-guide-to-getting-you-on-the-indieweb#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/536628544148086787)
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thedod_ gRegor` the problem is that it doesn't happen on *my* site. You can tag *my* photo on *your* site, and I propose that the protocol should include consent of the person being tagged ("external moderation")
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thedod_ of course even today you can post to a wordpress blog my photo (say, drunk and unshaved) and say "this is the dod", but this is not as machine-harvestable as a standard for people-tagging). It's also rude, but rudeness - like metadata - can be tolerated in small amounts
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@henri_nourel Setting up Known with Nginx #indieweb - [Known](https://withknown.com/) is the soon to be released open... http://henri-nourel.tumblr.com/post/103401394517/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/536632435275202560)
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rascul hrm, wonder if they figured out the twitter callback thing with nginx that was giving bear and myself issues
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rascul irt latest tweet that Loqi showed us
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Loqi who, me?
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@kevinmarks “The public sphere is now operated by a small number of private companies, based in Silicon Valley.” http://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/silicon-valley-and-journalism-make-or-break #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536634552479793152)
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@kevinmarks “build tools and services which put software in the service of journalism rather than the other way round.”- @emilybell #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/536636834529300482)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/TheRealDod/533917834519511040/533921843682369536 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/TheRealDod/533917834519511040/780155 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/TheRealDod/533917834519511040/533918875042054144 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online (webmention)
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bret aaronpk: micropub endpoints need to parse the scopes filed at spaces right?
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bret ie req.tokenData.scope.split(' ')
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fiatjaf what if when the website doesn't have a webmention endpoint I sent it to some third party webmention service and it stored it there for whenever the original website owner wanted, without him even knowing?
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KartikPrabhu why would you send a webmention intended for person A to somewhere else?
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@TheRealDod @TheRealDod Thanks to @schnarfed’s https://www.brid.gy/ — feedback on twitter gets to my #IndieWebcamp site too. Sweet. (twitter.com/_/status/536646702598725632)
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bret KartikPrabhu: to create intensive to accept WMs?
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KartikPrabhu do you mean incentive?
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bret seeing links or mentions to your own site gathered by a 3rd party as a way to see people are actually mentioning or replying to something on your site
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bret otherwise, how would you know?
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KartikPrabhu you mean I should find out about mentions of my site even thought I don't support webmentions?
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KartikPrabhu any way it thgouht webmention.io dod that
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KartikPrabhu did*
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bret it sort of does already, but you have to have an account
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bret if i understand correctly
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KartikPrabhu yes.
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bret this would be for any website
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bret it would just validate and record any webmention
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KartikPrabhu a site that gathers mentions of any other website? so I should send webmentions of your site to a webmention silo?
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bret for the proposed purpose of a fallback endpoint for site that dont advertise
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bret those sites could start to then use that service (so then it becomes webmention.io for them) or export the data and implement whatever
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bret advertise their own webmention endpoint*
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KartikPrabhu hmmm <shrug> I don't think I'll send mentions intended for someone to a third party without them advertising me to do so like webmention.io
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bret basically, its an attempt to solve the "I want to reply/send a WM to a site, but it doesn't support WM"
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KartikPrabhu why is that a problem?
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KartikPrabhu someone does not support thing A and you want to do thing A...
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KartikPrabhu "I want to call person A but they don't have a phone, so I call AT&T instead... " ?
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bret more like "I want to send person a an SMS, but they dont accept SMS, so instead I will write it down over here if they are interested in reading it at a later date"
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KartikPrabhu I wouldn't do that without thet person telling me where to write it down
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KartikPrabhu in fact you have already written down your response on your own site
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KartikPrabhu and if they are interested they can parse you site and get it
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KartikPrabhu also if the person does not accept webmentions, how will they know that their webmentions are being stored on this silo?
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bret fiatjaf, if you wanted to build something like that, I would short circuit mt webmention endpoint discovery to a community hub rather than nothing at all
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bret the practical use I see is a) discovery of past WM for the site at a later date and b) some kind of annotate.it like plugin that enables annotations on any site via WM
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bret *short circuit my
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fiatjaf bret: that's probably what I was thinking
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fiatjaf I don't understand why didn't anyone build something link this yet
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bret fiatjaf: webmention.io is close to it
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fiatjaf KartikPrabhu: exactly because it is already written on your site and public on the internet there's no problem in telling other people to host the message for you.
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bret except it only accepts things for people who have decided to accept WMs there
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fiatjaf bret: "Currently it is not open for signups" is all I see every time I go to webmention.io
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bret fiatjaf: the other one: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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bret which you can self host
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bret easily
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fiatjaf self hosted things aren't well suited for acting as "hubs"
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fiatjaf that leads to other thing: webmention DNS.
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fiatjaf query it to know where to send your webmentions, instead of discovering it right on the target website
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fiatjaf but this is a bad idea, forget I said it
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bret dns scares people
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bret fiatjaf: i belive you can just use what is running at webmention.herokuapp
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi, your bridgy fb token expired at least before 11/6, and probably earlier
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snarfed (i'm trying to confirm for sure that it sent you a notif, but i may not be able to)
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@katninetails I keep finding little IndieWeb things like this. It makes me happy. https://github.com/converspace/converspace (twitter.com/_/status/536663992652271617)
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KartikPrabhu fiatjaf: I still don't get the point of such a service but feel free to make one
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