#indiewebcamp 2014-09-11

2014-09-11 UTC
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KartikPrabhu HWC Chicago notes
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ben_thatmust_ that time it worked fine. maybe it was me somehow.
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: hmm ok
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snarfed btw, i see you
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snarfed er, sorry
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gRegor` D'oh. Was chatting in #microformats instead of here :)
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ben_thatmust_ it happens
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ben_thatmust_ snarfed, another weird bit
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ben_thatmust_ i'm hacking on mentions-client-php to keep all the URLs returned
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: great!
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ben_thatmust_ but what I get back from bridgy when it send the webmention isn't right
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: no?
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ben_thatmust_ the curl to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter
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ben_thatmust_ gets <!DOCTYPE html> <html><head> <link rel="webmention" href="https://www.brid.gy/publish/webmention"> </head> <body>Nothing here! <a href="/about">Try the docs instead.</a></body> </html>
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: ah, well, that's because you sent it a GET
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snarfed webmentions are POST
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tantek yup
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gRegor` Paul Chalekian is here in Chicago for PLOP 2014: http://www.hillside.net/plop/2014/
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ben_thatmust_ oh huh, yeah, put that in the wrong place
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ben_thatmust_ that explains a lot
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snarfed :P
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@dissolve333 Burning through posts like a madman.. Its in the name of science. Blame #indiewebcamp Posted on September 10, 2014… (http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/11/6/_) (twitter.com/_/status/509860239361839104)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+67) "TOC should go before the FAQ, so you don't have to scroll through all the FAQ to get to a quick list of the questions" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm looks good
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gRegor` Paul's university site http://wolfweb.unr.edu/homepage/pmc/
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tantek gRegor`: Universities are silos too.
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gRegor` We know :)
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@dissolve333 #indieweb posse to IRC via twitter Universities are the worst silos. Posted on September 10, 2014 by Ben Roberts (http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/11/8/_) (twitter.com/_/status/509862328267862016)
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gRegor` Paul's from Nevada and stopped by because he's here for the PLoP conference. He's heard of the SF meetup, doesn't know much about indieweb, but is interested in owning his content
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gRegor` Kartik is walking him through indieauth currently
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ben_thatmust_ hehe
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tantek lol ben_thatmust_
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ben_thatmust_ as long as i'm posting to twitter to test this out, i might as well have fun with it.
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tantek gRegor`: cool. perhaps convince him to get his own domain?
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gRegor` Already does, apparently. Placeholder page though: http://paulchalekian.com/
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ShaneHudson I'm happy with how my site is coming along, felt stagnant for a few years. Indie web really spurred me to do something with it, so thanks to you all :)
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tantek ShaneHudson: that's awesome! glad to hear it
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tantek gRegor`: perhaps start him off with a simple h-card and rel=me links on his own domain?
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tantek I think the key is to get folks into the habit of small iterations on their own domain
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tantek then you just walk up the IndieMark stairs one step at at time.
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dietrich IndieMark?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: gRegor` is attempting to get Paul's domain setup
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dietrich interesting. indieness measurement.
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aaronpk waves at dietrich
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aaronpk i'm heading over to mozpdx in a few minutes. hope we get a turnout tonight!
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aaronpk i have to leave at 7:30 prompt though
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dietrich aaronpk: aight, see you in a bit
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tantek dietrich: yes we've been working on IndieMark for quite some time
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tantek what is IndieMark?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+17) "/* RSVP */ +Paul Chalekian" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson I think I will be able to write a small plugin for craft that allows micropub in the same way as webmentions and comments work, rather than actual authorization. Would that work, or does it need auth?
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dietrich tantek___: which vidyo room you going to be in?
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kylewm ShaneHudson: you can definitely delegate auth to indieauth.com.
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ShaneHudson kylewm: I don't have indieauth into my own website, due to using the CMS. I've not looked into hooking it up yet. But it is possible to create forms that allow guests to add content, so I could probably do it that way
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kylewm I can't say for sure but I don't think you actually have to add I indie auth support on your site at all. just your micropib client would verify the token against indieauth.com
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kylewm ie you don't need to be able to log into your site with ia
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kylewm actually i am sure :)
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ShaneHudson Ah interesting, will take a look at that tomorrow :)
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ShaneHudson But for now I'm off to bed, goodnight!
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Loqi laila tov!
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gRegor` Tracking down Who the Heck is This Domain Registered Through?
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gRegor` A mystery novel
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ben_thatmust_ haha, it works!
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dietrich tantek___: ok we're in Java on le vidyo.
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dietrich tantek___: ready for test when you are.
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ben_thatmust_ automatically getting syndication links back from brid.gy. yay
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Loqi giggles
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tantek dietrich: were in the IndieWeb channel in Vidyo here @MozSF
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tantek ready when you are to join and test the connection
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indie-visitor hey tantek, we're not in the main room at mozsf, right? where should we knock? side door?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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tantek welcome danlyke!
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tantek go ahead and add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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mattl welcome danlyke
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/509712412329512961/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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mattl Ping danlyke
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tantek in SF we're getting danlyke setup with IRC
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mattl Debating emacs commands for screen v tmux
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aaronpk just a bunch of background chatter in SF now?
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK (-11) "/* Photos */ remove one from Annotations, cluster by day, resort by time order of photos" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: IndieWebCamp UK was amazing - I've never seen so many people go from 0 to 5 HTTPS in one weekend (twitter.com/_/status/509879775242883072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the documentation on the wiki helped a lot, Also Tim Retout was interpreting the crypto error messages everyone was getting (twitter.com/_/status/509880072027643904)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @adactio had a great socratic dialog with Tim drawing out the complexities of https (twitter.com/_/status/509880324914823168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: on Monday Google said they will deprecate SHA-1 in a year, so the HTTPS effort gets to be redone for SHA-2 (twitter.com/_/status/509880753232936960)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: also at indiewebcamp UK was a complete user flow for going to someone else's site, clicking a reply button and post it to you (twitter.com/_/status/509881056086863872)
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aaronpk there's kylewm again http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/10/3/indieweb
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: by using an indie-action tag, which delegates via a protocol handler that you register for your own site to your site (twitter.com/_/status/509881233040359424)
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aaronpk http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: have you seen Barnaby's http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk reader? it subscribes only to h-entry markup (twitter.com/_/status/509881737489293312)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: to subscribe to a legacy RSS or Atom feed via shrewdness use @kevinmarks's http://feed.unmung.com to convert them to h-entry (twitter.com/_/status/509882198535577600)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: have you seen Barnaby's http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk reader? it subscribes only to h-entry markup (twitter.com/_/status/509882791954501632)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: to subscribe to a legacy RSS or Atom feed via shrewdness use @kevinmarks's http://feed.unmung.com to convert … (twitter.com/_/status/509882797767815168)
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@cconover RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: IndieWebCamp UK was amazing - I've never seen so many people go from 0 to 5 HTTPS in one weekend (twitter.com/_/status/509882925601783808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I need to dash back as we're launching @withknown tomorrow, go to http://withknown.com to get your own indieweb site (twitter.com/_/status/509883544605188096)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: new member Joe Myer with http://sportsdatabase.com/ - here to learn (twitter.com/_/status/509883921677312001)
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aaronpk that was dietrich talking actually
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: next new member is at yourmom.io (twitter.com/_/status/509884192730009600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I got some new things working - I added video posts to my site as I had to post a screen recording (twitter.com/_/status/509884347873128448)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I have a new thing that plays an mp4 fiel if you post it, and I'm just using the <video> tag so it just works (twitter.com/_/status/509884561858125824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: also this week I got bookmarks working on my site - go to https://quill.p3k.io/ you can use it to post bookmarks too (twitter.com/_/status/509884742099931136)
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@dietrich #indieweb meetup in Portland and SF. https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/509885106065244160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/509885106065244160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: today @benwerd @erinjo and I went on This Week In Google to talk about indieweb and Known (twitter.com/_/status/509885115518820352)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Leo was very excited to be able to post photos from his phone to known (twitter.com/_/status/509885203024584705)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: it was also great to show comments from multiple implementations on the Known site to show interop (twitter.com/_/status/509885412341342208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the nice thing about this #indieweb demo was that previous monoculture implmentations only interoperated with themselves (twitter.com/_/status/509886084591796224)
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aaronpk what is swat0?
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Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is an user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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aaronpk http://tantek.com/2010/199/t3/fsws-social-web-acid-test-swat-v0
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aaronpk http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SWAT0
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: what we have not built in the indie world is products that people can buy (twitter.com/_/status/509888403240779777)
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aaronparecki.com edited /SWAT0 (+646) "add indieweb version of the SWAT0 test. Good news: we're over half way there!" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: check it out! http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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dietrich tantek: can you turn down your mic a bit, or mute?
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tantek dietrich is that working?
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dietrich tantek: still pretty loud. i'm trying to turn you down on our end, but vidyo fail ;)
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aaronpk oh hey just ran through indieweb SWAT0
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aaronpk turns out we already have 1-4 in place
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dietrich tantek: i armwrestled vidyo and won, nm
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tantek aaronpk - what about people-tagging? we have a page for it, but it's only brainstorming currently
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aaronpk you're overthinking it :)
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tantek heh
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aaronpk speaking of which, who is in the pink shirt? I missed his name
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tantek I don't think we actually have a spec for "tags him in the photo"
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tantek that's in step 1
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tantek nor do we have the "notifications" "app" working yet (mentioned in step 2)
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aaronpk i do
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aaronpk i get push notificaitons for webmentions now
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tantek URL/
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tantek URL?
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aaronpk https://boxcar.io/
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aaronpk subscribed to http://aaronparecki.com/mentions
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aaronpk it's a little rough around the edges, but it's been sending me push notifications
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indie-visitor Amazing, I am new at IndieWeb, used to be a programmer but now I work at public services
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indie-visitor So can I store the content of my navegation?
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indie-visitor And giving new meanings to it?
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indie-visitor with my friends?
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indie-visitor I got here by looking at chromes plugin development
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aaronpk tantek: oh hey look I just tagged you in a photo ;) http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/10/3/indieweb
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tantek what is notifications?
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) http://indiewebcamp.com/notifications
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indie-visitor didn´t find where to install :0(
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indie-visitor have to go, nice meeting :0)
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KevinMarks is using irc for #5 cheating?
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aaronpk gotta run!
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KevinMarks so how does barnaby see my mention of you by being subscribed to you?
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tantek aaronpk - can you add what you said about "get push notificaitons for webmentions now" to /notifications ?
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moizsyed Hello
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tantek welcome moizsyed !
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tantek go ahead and add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek !tell aaronpk your post http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/10/3/indieweb doesn't photo tag me, it merely mentions me.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dietrich ok, pdx -> out.
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dietrich adios y'all.
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@kevinmarks notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club posted on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2014-09-10.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/509895118103392256)
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tantek thanks dietrich!
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KevinMarks so if POSSE to twitter causes you to see a notification in IRC, does that count as SWAT0?
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tantek KevinMarks: I believe the context was that you could do everything from a mobile browser
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@dougmckown @aaronpk @leolaporte Which show? Available as a podcast yet? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/509899174457147394)
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@davidmead Bookmarked on http://davidmead.withknown.com to look through later @kevinmarks. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/509899751408803840)
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ben_thatmust_ so how does bridgy discover syndication. I think i have a post marked up correctly (trying to get it to discover instagram posts)
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ben_thatmust_ it doesn't poll my h-feed only instagram?
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tantek wrapping up here in SF! thanks everyone!
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bret Sorry to miss HWC tonight. Parents are in town so I was spending time with them
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bret dont forget to rsvp to http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast if you are in town for xoxo
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kylewm ben_thatmust_: you still looking at bridgy discovering syndication links?
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@ChrisAldrich Historians of social media will look back at @KevinMarks post about #IndieWeb as a seminal moment http://chrisaldrich.withknown.com/2014/historians-of-social-media-will-look-back-at-kevinmarks-post (twitter.com/_/status/509920566212440064)
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techlifeweb If I do a u-like-of from my Wordpress site to a Known site, shouldn't it show up there as a star?
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gRegor` rascul: This regex seems to work: #<a href=([\"\']??)((?!http)(.*))(\1)#U
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gRegor` With the exception of hrefs without quotation marks around the URL. I'm probably willing to skip those, though.
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GWG I need examples of styling for syndication links
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gRegor` GWG: http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/05/1/
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gRegor` Probably more on the wiki
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GWG gRegor`: I'm rebuilding my plugin. I want to put in five or six different styles
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GWG I'm fickle
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GWG So, there is icons only.
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GWG Icons with text
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GWG Text only
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GWG Some people use Also On, some View On.
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@kevinmarks @Nick_Lowe @t was referring to the indieweb https transition work that happened last weekend at indieWebcamp UK (twitter.com/_/status/509929021547614208)
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KevinMarks Techlifeweb as a heart rather than a star, but yes
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KevinMarks Did you send a webmention?
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techlifeweb KevinMarks: hmmm then maybe I broke something. I tried likeing your Known post about chatting with Leo about indieweb (http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/chatting-to-leolaporte-about-indieweb-and-posting-from-mobile) and I don't see it show up.
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techlifeweb Yes it should have gone that way
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GWG techlifeweb: I just noticed my taxonomy plugin doesn't send webmentions using a similar test. But I think I see how to fix it
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GWG How is your work going?
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neuro` Good morning
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techlifeweb I have 2 instances of wordpress set up similarly and testing webmentions seems to work between them.
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techlifeweb GWG: you have a taxonomy plugin? what does that do?
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GWG techlifeweb: Adds replies, likes, etc.
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techlifeweb GWG: Oh ok. I'm using Semantic Linkbacks now.
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GWG techlifeweb: That adds them in comments in Wordpress. I attach them to posts to reply to other people's sites.
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techlifeweb GWG: so it is part of the post instead of the comments?
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GWG Well, if you want to use a post to reply to another site
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techlifeweb GWG: Tired...my brain isn't working well... are you saying your plugin takes care of marking up the link back to someone's site?
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GWG techlifeweb: Correct.
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GWG Still a work in progress though
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techlifeweb oh...sounds cool.
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gRegor` !tell rascul Think I've got that regex working for relative URLs. Lookaround fun. #(?<=href=("|')|href=)(?!http)[^"']+(?=("|'|>))#U
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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techlifeweb GWG: I have a couple bookmarklets that grab details of a page and create a like I can paste into where ever. Works Ok but is kind of klunky.
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GWG I have plans for more.
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GWG But have a look if you want
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-taxonomy
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techlifeweb thanks I'll check it out.
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GWG I'm trying to make some amendments.
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GWG I think it isnt pushing the webmentions correctly.
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tantek glennjones: what was that open source HTML5+JS pedometer web app?
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glennjones it was based on this http://sebastien.menigot.free.fr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93:pedometer-in-html5-&catid=46:web-application-for-firefox-os&Itemid=82 Firefox OS app code
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@MicropubInfo Just made webmention, indieauth and micropub available to thousands of people. So much more ...: Archival proc... https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://inagist.com/all/509720263970127875/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDNlNjg4ODQzODIxNzA0ZmU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNGL1QtiboiBr4hQv6e32lg447xFag&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/509956522772664320)
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glennjones Going to try and document the locations and places ideas from indiewebcamp next week and put up the code on my blog
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tantek that would be great glennjones
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@kevinmarks @aaronpk @collision @xoxo come to the indieweb breakfast afterwards http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/509961282980573184)
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@kevinmarks "@dangillmor: Testing @withknown, helping to re-decentralize the web" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/509962695051730945)
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@endi Rolled RPi server. config.ini generated. DB populated. Hit a 404 wall. Thoughts/suggestions #indieweb? @withknown https://twitter.com/endi/status/509964656547745792/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/509964656547745792)
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@petermolnar How I misunderstood an aspect of #Indieweb » https://petermolnar.eu/?p=8226 #Indie #Silos (twitter.com/_/status/509967293208870912)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/journal/how-i-misunderstood-an-aspect-of-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/journal/how-i-misunderstood-an-aspect-of-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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neuro` That last link is worth reading. https://petermolnar.eu/journal/how-i-misunderstood-an-aspect-of-indieweb/
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petermolnar thanks neuro` :)
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neuro` petermolnar: I kinda agree with you on that point: we need silos because they broadcast what we post on our sites, hence POSSE.
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neuro` you're welcome.
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petermolnar we need some kind of centralisation, yes, but it feels bad that we're kind of depending on services known for surveillance-type behaviour, that is my issue
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alanpear_ I'm planning on writing a indieweb search engine. No reason why it can't be self-hosted :)
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petermolnar will it be possible to send mentions to it and have a "new" tab? :)
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neuro` Good luck with the spam.
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alanpear_ Maybe, I was thinking that it would be able to search for its own feature requests via webmention, so that's not too far from that
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alanpear_ If spammers are using mf2, then I'd call that progress.
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petermolnar I'm not sure I'd like the world to catch up with that sooner or later, knowing the trackback/pingback spam issue
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alanpear_ Eh, if they're using semantic markup then it should be easier to identify. But you're definitely right with the *back issue
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tantek petermolnar, search and aggregation was how a lot of the silos attracted folks in the first place,e.g. Flickr's tagged photos, Delicious tagged links.
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tantek the mistake we made was to collapse such aggregation with content hosting - there is no reason the same site has to do both
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tantek so we are solving the content hosting problem first
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tantek we are not saying that we won't solve the aggregation problem, it's just not the first problem to solve.
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neuro` Mixing storage + agregation is the way silos start
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petermolnar tantek that I cannot argue with; I was only worried that if all goes smooth and suddenly we experience a boom in indieweb (due to, for example, articles like http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/20/6049259/the-future-of-blogging) might find ourselved in the 90s again ( and even though I love the 90s, the webs was difficult back then)
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tantek the 90s was a good time :)
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neuro` I loved the 90's, except 14400 bps modems
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petermolnar when I first experience the speed of the university network, directly after an 56k modem at home, ah, good ol' 90s :)
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petermolnar s/experience/experienced
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: when I first experienced the speed of the university network, directly after an 56k modem at home, ah, good ol' 90s :)
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tantek petermolnar: and I am more optimistic, based on the fact that this time, people are building search sooner - e.g. many indieweb sites now have native search, and Barnaby's shrewdness does excellent search/aggregation filtering across whatever feeds/streams it consumes.
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tantek someone will likely rebuild something like Technorati - realtime indie blog/post search
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tantek petermolnar: there's more on indie web search here: http://indiewebcamp.com/search
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tantek in particular, some interesting stuff here: http://indiewebcamp.com/search#Brainstorming
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neuro` tantek: I was wondering, do you fetch all the tweets you fav somewhere on your own web site?
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tantek neuro`: not yet no. :/
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neuro` That's something I plan doing with Publify after I implement bookmarks
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tantek I used to subscribe to the favorites atom feed in my friendfeed ages ago
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neuro` unless I switch to known
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neuro` I've been maintaining that soft for too long, lost the motivation.
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tantek I plan on implementing "Likes" on my own site with POSSEing as Favorites to Twitter per http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Favorites_of_Tweets
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tantek neuro`: that's a good reason to maintain primarily for your own use-cases
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tantek that way you stay motivated
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tantek rather than maintaining for other people
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neuro` I took over the project in 2006 to replace Wordpress I was tired with, and I've always done that (except the year I wanted to clone WP)
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sammachin is there such a thing as a 'sgn in with IndieAuth' button, I guess there's the green iA logo on the main page
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petermolnar I have a question on h-entry u-photo: should this be on an <img> directly?
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tommorris The u-photo should be. ;-)
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 2 days, 8 hours ago: could you add your awesome photo from IWCUK 2014 to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK similarly to how the photos are on http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 ?
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petermolnar thank you tommorris
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tantek nm tommorris - it's been taken care of :)
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tantek which reminds me - there were more photos
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Jihaisse hello neuro`
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@jjmajava RT @ChrisAldrich: Historians of social media will look back at @KevinMarks post about #IndieWeb as a seminal moment http://chrisaldrich.withknown.com/2014/historians-of-social-media-will-look-back-at-kevinmarks-post (twitter.com/_/status/510022563742093313)
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@RodneyDyer Interesting #indieweb take on ownership of online material from @withknown. Looking into this for teaching. (twitter.com/_/status/510024309742379008)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@timweston .@benwerd great interview with @erinjo and @kevinmarks on yesterday's TWiG. Really excited about self-hosted @withknown! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510059809417494528)
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@ademers Just discovered the Craft Webmention Client Plugin. https://github.com/jgarber623/craft-webmention-client #craftcms #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510059817424392192)
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ben_thatmustbeme need to work on getting my reply context
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ben_thatmustbeme after the call out i got yesterday
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GWG petermolnar: You about? I need a second opinion.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have to watch that
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petermolnar GWG hey, I'm missing contect
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ben_thatmustbeme hey
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petermolnar s/contect/context
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: GWG hey, I'm missing context
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ben_thatmustbeme http://twit.tv/show/this-week-in-google/266
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ben_thatmustbeme need to figure out what page to post that on the wiki
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@aprilthomas825 check this out IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ #technology #rt #ad (twitter.com/_/status/510074495940296704)
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@benjamiin_x1 IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074497555107840)
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@KesterTomiwa IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074500738588673)
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@AyoRahji IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074502244335617)
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@Je_suis_Dejai IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074503750111233)
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@Tee_Kesh IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074505155182594)
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@MichelleSunita IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074506841317377)
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@gigaom IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074557722402816)
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@GBDataStream IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074672596402176)
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@kevinmarks Talking #indieweb and @withknown on TWiG with @erinjo @benwerd @jeffjarvis and @leolaporte https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074723179307008)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: Talking #indieweb and @withknown on TWiG with @erinjo @benwerd @jeffjarvis and @leolaporte https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074779294904320)
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@Dailynewsworthy IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074786370711553)
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@Z_Interactive IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074828649660416)
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@millicentabbey IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510074848026972160)
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@kevinmarks Get your own #indieweb site on Known now: http://withknown.com (twitter.com/_/status/510074898899673088)
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kylewm.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+265) "/* 2014 */ added TWiG" (view diff)
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@erinjo RT @kevinmarks: Talking #indieweb and @withknown on TWiG with @erinjo @benwerd @jeffjarvis and @leolaporte https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510075136792215552)
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@heystartup IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content http://www.heystartup.com/site/contents/content/27370/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content (twitter.com/_/status/510075152923508736)
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@mathewi New: "IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510075155209416704)
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@TwibbleExample IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can b... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom #tech #startup #startups https://twitter.com/TwibbleExample/status/510075306506747904/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510075306506747904)
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@astralaeos RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510075445937590275)
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@GigaomCloud IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=gigaomcloud&utm_term=gigaomcloud (twitter.com/_/status/510075598446673920)
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@mkmeredith RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510076052702777344)
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@mathewi If you care about the open web, you'll be interested in this effort from @benwerd, with help from @kevinmarks: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510076098840104960)
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@manojpallai RT @mathewi: New: "IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510076134420389888)
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@withknown Great Known coverage by @mathewi in @gigaom this morning! https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510076780716126208)
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@benwerd Great @withknown article in @gigaom this morning! Including my "chicken" button. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510077100124934144)
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snarfed !tell KartikPrabhu just fyi, fixed https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/issues/22 . you can now @-reply with pictures
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@necrotante IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510077168823848960)
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@gurlylaura IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-bloggers-143631361.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/510077263589564417)
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KevinMarks Did you see known launched, everyone
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@dangillmor A look at Indie-web decentralizing service @withknown, by @mathewi https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ I'm testing it out, too; very promising. (twitter.com/_/status/510077428509990912)
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@thunderbluex76 IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content - https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ by Mathew Ingram (twitter.com/_/status/510077630360858624)
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tantek Known++ woot!
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@the_spinmd Huge proponent of #indieweb, but doesn't a required ToS go against what it's all about? (twitter.com/_/status/510077733939187712)
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@Jak03_ IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=FexRss&aid=&tid=958b2c50e4864a2485a4819b3ea9f7fe&url=https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/&c=ZIor4V4MUbJa7CEj68cmg573V11ARXNWSS0iCD1C2Q4&mkt=en-us&utm_source=web&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/510077855414251520)
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@mjohnq3 RT @dangillmor: A look at Indie-web decentralizing service @withknown, by @mathewi https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ I'm testing it out, too; very pr… (twitter.com/_/status/510078000411705344)
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@reclaimifytest IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510078147384328192)
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@Jane_Cakeee IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content - https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ by Mathew Ingram (twitter.com/_/status/510078154602721281)
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@pmlozeau RT @withknown: Great Known coverage by @mathewi in @gigaom this morning! https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510078191105753089)
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alanpear_ So many tweets :D
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@erinjo New post this morning in @gigaom from @mathewi on @withknown and the #indieweb https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_content=bufferc670c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/510078320096980992)
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@StartupPosts Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founder... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510078491522379776)
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@Zoo_View #IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ https://twitter.com/Zoo_View/status/510078582778241024/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/510078582778241024)
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@moomblr IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content ... http://ifttt.com/images/no_image_card.png (twitter.com/_/status/510078811535605760)
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@judell RT @benwerd: Great @withknown article in @gigaom this morning! Including my "chicken" button. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510079086841323521)
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tantek erinjo++ congrats!
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tantek benwerd++ congrats!
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tantek on the launch that is
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@Stukalsky IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #CloudComputing (twitter.com/_/status/510079713306345472)
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tantek IndieWeb has a POSSE.
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neuro` Wow, this article is a big thing for us
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neuro` And an even bigger for Ben / Erin
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@petermolnar RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510080207014076416)
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tantek super proud of them
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tantek so, who's next? (to launch an IndieWeb platform/solution)
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BaldFat_ I heard about known on This week in Google.. I was looking forward to an esay tutorial on installing Known on Digital Ocean. Can't see one yet.
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KevinMarks Erinjo++
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@gigaommedia IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=gigaommedia&utm_term=gigaomvideo (twitter.com/_/status/510080850218606592)
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kylewm BaldFat_: that's a great idea, DO accepts user-submitted tutorials right?
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KevinMarks Is this not helpful enough? http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/install/instructions.html
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kylewm I haven't done it, but I would guess that if you spun up a Ubuntu 14.04 LAMP droplet, you'd be 95% of the way there
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@selfascontext An #IndieWeb-ready open source blog platform that takes 5 seconds to set up? YES. I hope this is as awesome as it looks. (twitter.com/_/status/510081345502969858)
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@selfascontext An #IndieWeb-ready open source blog platform that takes 1 minute to set up? this could be so big for the small: http://withknown.com (twitter.com/_/status/510081884332625920)
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@schnarfed RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510081949021380608)
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@mediacademie RT @NiemanLabFuego: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content ... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510083010213859328)
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@akwyz #IESocial IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510083292214083584)
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@datskewll IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510083525920690176)
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@PrimeConcepts2K #googleplus IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content http://finance.yahoo.com/news/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-bloggers-143631361.html (twitter.com/_/status/510084213606219777)
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@primepromotion #googleplus IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content http://finance.yahoo.com/news/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-bloggers-143631361.html (twitter.com/_/status/510084214147260416)
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@Digidave "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510084233625600000)
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@PaulforPeople Congrats @benwerd on making news on @Gigaom in launch of Known - revolutionary tool for #bloggers https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom (twitter.com/_/status/510084333692919809)
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@coreyford RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510084337363337216)
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BaldFat_ Sorry yes Digital Oceans has GREAT tutorials here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials
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@judell I guess Elm City would now qualify as an IndieWeb/POSSE thing. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ @benwerd @withknown @gigaom @davewiner (twitter.com/_/status/510084917376868352)
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BaldFat_ If I wasn't neck deep in work I would do one. I believe they still pay for a tutorial that is high quality.
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ben_thatmustbeme my god, the chat is flooded with twitter mentions today
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neuro` ben_thatmustbeme: /ignore Loqi all
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Loqi is done
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neuro` helps a lot
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ben_thatmustbeme i like to see that updates
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ben_thatmustbeme just a lot of traffic today
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@pajamma RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510085380670889984)
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kylewm (I'm trying to set up a Droplet with Known... 95% was optimistic :P )
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ben_thatmustbeme eventually I want to make my site installable by all those cpanel plugin bits. Since its built on opencart and opencart is already on those, it should be pretty straight forward.
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i'm going to try to display the entire reply thread
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I've been thinking I'd like mine to work on heroku and sandstorm
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ben_thatmustbeme hopefully one day someone else will take up some of the work with me. I tried to keep my platform very clean
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@csessums Be social and control your content @withknown https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ Massive props to @benwerd & @erinjo (twitter.com/_/status/510088620284579840)
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@jboy .@claudiakincaid maybe this #indieweb stuff is the real alternative to twitter: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510088633945456641)
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@fdevillamil Congrats @benwerd and @erinjo this is an awesome achievement (and a great start). #indieweb https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510089343684599809)
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@Milvec22 IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The founders of Kno... http://www.topix.com/news/blogs/2014/09/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content?fromrss=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/510089819163095040)
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BaldFat_ kylewm: So how goes the last 5% on Digital Ocean?
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kylewm BaldFat_: good timing! http://avril.kylewm.com/
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kylewm I had to enable mod_rewrite, allow .htaccess, and create the mysql database and load its schema
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kylewm so, not as easy as I thought :)
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BaldFat_ kylewm: So anything surprising on geting it going?
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BaldFat_ kylewm: Well it seems like you saved me time :) Ill do it later tonight
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kylewm BaldFat_: maybe we could write that tutorial!
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kylewm I would need to spend significantly more time to "lock down" the installation, and do things correctly
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@laura_ritchie RT @benwerd: Great @withknown article in @gigaom this morning! Including my "chicken" button. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510090775921967104)
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voxpelli Would be so nice if tools started using mechanisms like the Heroku Button to automate setting up ones own instance: https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/8/7/heroku-button
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@erinjo RT @fdevillamil: Congrats @benwerd and @erinjo this is an awesome achievement (and a great start). #indieweb https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510090809136259073)
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BaldFat_ Well if I get everything done I am game later tongiht I'll jump on IRC to see if you are around
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kylewm sounds good!
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GWG kylewm: Looking at your site again
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GWG While I'm waiting to try to track down pfefferle on my wordpress webmention problem, I'm back to looking at designs for syndicated links.
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kylewm are you displaying them at all now, GWG?
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@lizasperling Well done on TWIG, @benwerd @kevinmarks. Knock em dead today, @withknown! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510095675111899136)
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GWG kylewm: When I did the update to the new theme, it broke the syndication links on the feed page. They are displayed on the individual post pages
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GWG I'm writing the new version now
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@SiliconFilter IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via: http://news.siliconfilter.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/510095932466405376)
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@ilparone "advocates of the so-called “indie web” are launching open-source blogging software" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ #indieweb #data #internet (twitter.com/_/status/510096492044902400)
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GWG It includes an options page.
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kylewm oh man, that Known firefox plugin is so nice ... wonder if we can make that work with any micropub client
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tommorris did anyone see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2014Sep/0022.html - apparently the IWC wiki is "well-maintained". ;-)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @dangillmor: A look at Indie-web decentralizing service @withknown, by @mathewi https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ I'm testing it out, too; very pr… (twitter.com/_/status/510099361259593728)
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@icco RT @fdevillamil: Congrats @benwerd and @erinjo this is an awesome achievement (and a great start). #indieweb https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510099838701424640)
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@LonnieRae Known, a new open source web publishing tool which enables syndication. #indieweb @kevinmarks @t https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510101038393614336)
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Loqi [mention] http://seth.withknown.com/bookmark/438f9c672f05f68863877710ddfe72ff/http-indiewebcampcom- linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://seth.withknown.com/bookmark/db417ebe39bdd3c5c8edcabfad6547f4/http-indiewebcampcom- linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@rocean IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510104471783739393)
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@NickReynolds Listening to TWiG discussion about indieweb and WithKnown (twitter.com/_/status/510106916236713984)
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@mathewi RT @dangillmor: A look at Indie-web decentralizing service @withknown, by @mathewi https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ I'm testing it out, too; very pr… (twitter.com/_/status/510107582938488832)
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@ManifestStefany IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content: The pla... https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjA0Mzc3OTE0MTg5MDlhMTY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNG7e-m_6D72z9hPc6cmFl_qDZKm-A&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed #OpenSource (twitter.com/_/status/510108565193773056)
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aaronpk oh wow look at the tweets go
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aaronpk benwerd++
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aaronpk erinjo++
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 9/10 at 7:39pm: your post http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/10/3/indieweb doesn't photo tag me, it merely mentions me.
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kbs just heard the twig podcast, was a fun listen - thanks kevin (and congrats to) benwerd and erinjo for getting withknown off the ground :-)
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ShaneHudson Another one bites the dust http://www.polarb.com/
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@chrismessina @USSJoin @jyri the dream lives on in @withknown https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510113658668462081)
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@superglaze Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece by @mathewi) (twitter.com/_/status/510114380298878977)
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@gRegorLove Check out @withknown if you'd like to try an easy way to own your content and still interact with social networks. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510114502210514944)
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gRegor` Cute "welcome robot" in the withknown setup.
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gRegor` "I'm Aleph, your very own welcome robot. Let's get started by adding a status update about what you did today. Just select the icon above."
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gRegor` With a link "Power down robots. I can take it from here."
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kylewm hey kbs! yeah, very exciting. their big Matter demo is today too, so very good timing
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kbs hey kylewm long time :) and very happy for them they've come so far, and hoping they're able to sustain the momentum
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snarfed kbs! welcome back! good to see you
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gRegor` Hiya, kbs!
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kbs hi snarfed and gRegor` :)
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neuro` Evening #indieweb people
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gRegor` http://avril.kylewm.com? Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? ♫
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@superglaze My first proper post on Known (posted here manually because I clicked the wrong button) http://meyer.withknown.com/2014/and-this-is-my-first-proper-post-on-known #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510120900562526208)
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kylewm gRegor`: lol, I moved to http://known.kylewm.com/?
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gRegor` kylewm: Can you check the wm logs for http://known.kylewm.com/2014/test-replying-from-a-browser-plugin and let me know what error message its getting with my post http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/11/3/ ?
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gRegor` benwerd was going to send me the error message he got on werd.io, but he's been rather busy, understandably.
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gRegor` Happened yesterday with leolaporte's Known, too.
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neuro` Quick question before I install known, can I tune the permalink format?
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@psygnisfive @kevinmarks watching this weeks TWiG. this indieweb stuff is really cool, having everything decentralized like that (twitter.com/_/status/510122398243250177)
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kylewm gRegor`: Known (known.kylewm.com): ERROR - No link from http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/11/3/ to http://known.kylewm.com/2014/test-replying-from-a-browser-plugin 4
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kylewm the #comments maybe?
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gRegor` Is there a detailed log of the HTML it received from my site? Ben said it was some PHP error, which oddly doesn't show up for me anywhere in browser, or when I test with curl
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to get context into my pages, but this is going to get really complex really fast
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ben_thatmustbeme when I add in a full history + i should be able to reply to multiple on my post
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ben_thatmustbeme oy
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kylewm gRegor`: that's all I see in /var/log/apache2/error.log, unless there is a secret log somewhere else
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kbs *waves* great to irc-see/say hello to the regulars again, and the amazing progress - just awesome :-)
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@mathewi RT @superglaze: Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece … (twitter.com/_/status/510123821723303936)
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ShaneHudson https://the-pastry-box-project.net/sorin-pintilie/2014-August-25 Fragmentions
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gRegor` Turning off PHP's display_errors makes the webmention work, but doesn't help me track down what PHP error Known is getting when it retrieves my pages. Hm.
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gRegor` I'll have to look into Known's code and see what it's doing so I can try to duplicate it. Really weird, though.
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gRegor` Only seems to happen with Known sites, too. Bridgy publish hasn't had trouble.
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@petrnew Will you try!? -> #IndieWeb advocates launch #Known so #bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510125011206938624)
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kylewm gRegor`: is display_errors something I can turn on to help diagnose?
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gRegor` I don't think so, but thanks.
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@RyanMachara https://t.co/QDt3YrCiA8... https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510125744442191872)
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gRegor` I need the raw response from the wm parsing, which wouldn't really be an error.
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gRegor` For now it's working, though. Successfully sent the one to you and Leo
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@GooglePlusTNews IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and ... http://zpzp.eu/?url=http://dlvr.it/6tGn3x (twitter.com/_/status/510126025389260801)
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snarfed ok everyone, new indieweb project idea: https://snarfed.org/indie-stats . feedback welcome!
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snarfed i doubt i'd actually do it any time soon; just an idea right now. up for grabs if anyone wants to tackle it!
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@CelesteCote RT @superglaze: Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece … (twitter.com/_/status/510127132891426818)
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kylewm re: that new bridgy feature to let you reply with a photo on twitter, I just realized I can't do that with my CMS!! :(
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snarfed kylewm: heh. good inspiration then!
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kylewm OK this works for now, https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/09/11/2/it-sssssssssss-showtime
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kylewm what a weird ass movie that was
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kylewm snarfed: indie-stats is a great idea. i would love to see the competing "action" vs. "indie-action" tag lines after IWCUK
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@jensonjjacob IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom #openweb (twitter.com/_/status/510129584965029888)
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ShaneHudson Indiewebify got stuck and sent me about 50 duplicates
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@tagineer RT @gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510132105129783296)
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kylewm repost in shrewdness looks kind of interesting https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/repost-in-shrewdness.png
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snarfed kylewm: hmm! if he scaled down ben's picture, it actually wouldn't be half bad
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kylewm that's how the markup is on my site, the picture is just float: righted
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@Johannes_Ernst “@kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: what we have not built in the indie world is products that people can buy” < but we will! (twitter.com/_/status/510137439692656640)
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aaronpk p.s. I just got a push notification to my phone of kevin's reply on his Known site that he didn't tweet. indieweb notifications ftw
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ben_thatmustbeme got my site pulling in the full context thread for my replies... now its just a matter of display
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aaronpk nice
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ben_thatmustbeme even accounts for splits in the thread, so 2 people reply to 1 post, and someone replys to both of those
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't duplicate any of it
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, scratch that, there are def still some issues... author name and image aren't populating
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aaronpk authorship is hard
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: You mean full context threads for bridgy replies, or all indieweb replies?
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't handle bridgy yet, indieweb thus far... actually i don't know have it working with bridgy yet
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ben_thatmustbeme i had to recheck that
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ben_thatmustbeme i only store the twitter URL so i don't actually have any URL to the bridgy post stored.
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ben_thatmustbeme there must be a lib for easy parsing already out there
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aaronpk parsing what?
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ben_thatmustbeme so currently i'm using php-comments to parse anything in the reply chain. obviously its not exactly what its intended for
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aaronpk maybe it should be
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ben_thatmustbeme it would be nice to have something that rolled in parsing a twitter post or facebook post too, so not just mf2 markup
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@kevinmarks @jonnojohnson @withknown I posted this from my phone yesterday http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/chatting-to-leolaporte-about-indieweb-and-posting-from-mobile it works fine (twitter.com/_/status/510143190700412928)
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aaronpk there is
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ben_thatmustbeme i figured there must be somewhere
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aaronpk https://github.com/search?q=user%3Aaaronpk+shim
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aaronpk is "Building the Web of the Future" too arrogant of a talk title for an indieweb talk?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm it does come off that way a little
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ben_thatmustbeme one day I'll just give a talk "web (N+1).0"
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aaronpk ha
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ShaneHudson I would go with "Back To The Web" or something :P It is less of the future and more of what it would have been without the rise of silos
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aaronpk nice
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ShaneHudson So many people have critised it saying "But isn't that just a website?" to which I reply "YES that's the entire point!" :)
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aaronpk it's a *little* more than a website now
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aaronpk just because of the interactions
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ShaneHudson Yeah it is but it is still websites, just with interaction between them
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk we don't need "social networks" we just need social websites :)
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ShaneHudson Oo I like that one, put it in your talk :)
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Loqi [mention] http://danslinux.withknown.com/2014/excellent-resource-im-using-known-to-save-and-publish-content linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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gRegor` Back to the Web, with some nice Back to the Future spoofed graphics. :)
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gRegor` Some "Great Scot!"s thrown in
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: I'm confused, you're pulling in reply chains across multiple indie sites? Like kyle replies to you, and I reply to kyle, and you show both in the chain? That's awesome.
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gRegor` Or is it only doing that if I put in-reply-to both of you?
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aaronpk gRegor`: lol!
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` both
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ben_thatmustbeme both of those cases
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: gRegor`: whoa, that's huge! i think you're the first. got an example post? or are you still working on it?
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ben_thatmustbeme still working on it. not sure how to display yet
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gRegor` Yeah, whoa.
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ben_thatmustbeme just importing in to my DB all that context now
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ben_thatmustbeme the only bit it doesn't do yet is if I reply to multiple people (as my code doesn't let me reply to more than 1 person yet)
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snarfed ben_thatmust_: cool. maybe just flat list of reply contexts, twitter style?
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gRegor` How intensive a process is that, and how far does it look?
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ben_thatmustbeme it will just keep going until it doesn't find anything. it assumes that 1 url = 1 context message, so the first thing it does is look to see if it processed it already. Thus it will eliminate any duplication of effort (also stops from going around in circles)
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ben_thatmustbeme that could potentially mean a lot of processing, (and this will be running as a cron job) but the first thing i do is flag a post as "processed" so that it won't ever start it again. If one fails oh well
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snarfed (related bridgy work and code, in case you're morbidly interested: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/217)
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gRegor` Hm
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@erichansander RT @kevinmarks: Get your own #indieweb site on Known now: http://withknown.com (twitter.com/_/status/510152824513384449)
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finchd you guys hear of this yet? WP Slider Revolution plugin exploit: http://blog.sucuri.net/2014/09/slider-revolution-plugin-critical-vulnerability-being-exploited.html
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gRegor` Oh wait, you're talking about reply-context, not reply-chain
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snarfed finchd: wp plugin exploits are pretty common :P
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aaronpk I don't even know what the WP Slider Revolution is
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finchd me either, but that particular plugin affects my alma mater, who just mentioned it
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gRegor` I thought WP was an exploit. http://instantrimshot.com
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i had thought about that too, but that starts to get really messy
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aaronpk also that's a pretty hilarious exploit too. /wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=revslider_show_image&img=../wp-config.php
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ben_thatmustbeme specifically I don't really have a way to definitely get replies to replies on my site
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gRegor` Sure, that's a very complex problem.
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gRegor` Wow, that's laughably bad, that exploit.
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finchd now thinks he'll skip WP/CMS entirely
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gRegor` Daaaaang, look at this list of themes with Slider Revolution: http://marketblog.envato.com/general/affected-themes/#unsecure
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@mshook RT @judell: I guess Elm City would now qualify as an IndieWeb/POSSE thing. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ @benwerd @withknown @gigaom @davewiner (twitter.com/_/status/510156535566053377)
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ben_thatmustbeme well that bit works, i'm getting it all in to the DB fine. just need to get https://github.com/dissolve/openblog/blob/master/scripts/process_context.php
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ben_thatmustbeme its not doing the reply chain back past the first twitter post
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ben_thatmustbeme i always end up leaving half complete senten...
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@OpenSourceTNews IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and ... http://zpzp.eu/?url=http://dlvr.it/6tKCRC (twitter.com/_/status/510160101877874688)
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ben_thatmustbeme Known is getting some good coverage
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gRegor` snarfed: bridgy publish has been working smoothly since I stopped re-starting. :)
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snarfed gRegor`: ahahahaha glad to hear it
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snarfed gRegor`: …and still great feedback, the UX can definitely improve
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gRegor` Did just get a 500 Deadline exceeded while waiting for HTTP response, but that's just API slowness
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@TheDavidJohnson Checking out #IndieWeb concepts. My personal blog blew up several months ago (WordPress hijack). May rebuild with @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/510162747942653952)
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snarfed gRegor`: yup. :( https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/280
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@withknown RT @chrismessina: @USSJoin @jyri the dream lives on in @withknown https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510162992952901632)
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snarfed easy to fix w/retries for reads, but not for writes, since twitter doesn't have an idempotent api
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snarfed ie i can't tell if a deadlined call posted the tweet or not
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dlyke snarfed: queue and retry asynchronously?
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snarfed dlyke: no, when a write API call deadlines, i can't retry at all because i don't know if the deadlined request actually succeeded
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snarfed since retrying then would create a duplicate
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dlyke Ugh.
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snarfed idempotence ftw
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snarfed odd. this guy http://kayoticthoughts.com/ is on known…but he's using bridgy publish to posse. https://www.brid.gy/facebook/623873711#publishes
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@rhoeffnagel IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content http://www.scoop.it/t/content-marketing-by-robbert-hoeffnagel/p/4027860727/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content (twitter.com/_/status/510164163709370368)
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dlyke But makes sense, I've dealt with some similar stuff. Hard to get itempotence when the link can disappear after success.
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kylewm I really like that you can get rss or json (activitystreams?) for any page on a Known site
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ben_thatmustbeme oh fun recursion.
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aaronpk speaking of which
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aaronpk we were talking about notifications yesterday at HWC
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ben_thatmustbeme oh?
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ben_thatmustbeme thats something i'd love to get working
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aaronpk thinking that it should be possible to "subscribe" to a post via PuSH in order to receive notifications of comments!
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aaronpk that's the last step of SWAT0
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aaronpk if you were tagged in a photo you could subscribe to the photo URL so that you get notifications of comments!
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ben_thatmustbeme SWAT0?
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aaronpk what is SWAT0?
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Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is an user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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@elliottucker #indyref and #indieweb. Indy or Indie? Basically Scotland has got it wrong. It is of course Indie. (twitter.com/_/status/510166218125213696)
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@rsanc IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content — Tech News and Analysis https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510166856603566080)
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@srcr Installed @withknown again on my local domain love the various #indieweb features. but still have some wishes though (twitter.com/_/status/510167467227099136)
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@JonathanDeamer POSSE: "Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere." http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/510167794877751298)
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ben_thatmustbeme i really need to throw away all this crap excess markup from all kinds of stuff an just code it up clean
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ben_thatmustbeme thats getting to be the biggest headache
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@doctorlaura Known allows bloggers to be social and still control their content on a fully open publishing platform (GigaOM) https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510170071554355200)
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elliottucker Just watched This Week in Google on Known. Leo's is such a star. Good balance between bigging up and playing devils advocate.
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@evankirstel IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510174218445946880)
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kylewm "Do people even create blog websites anymore?" Kevin: "Sure they do..." Leo: "People you know! Not real people"
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elliottucker kylewm: He's right though, real people don't. The big work for the indieweb will be to get normals using it. They are a very different people.
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ShaneHudson That's where I think Known is right for having a managed hosting option
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@SumerSloan RT @evankirstel: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510180531309252608)
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snarfed obligatory: http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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kylewm I think maybe that's what peopel are missing when they ask what's the difference between wordpress and known
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kylewm that Known is geared toward more frequent, informal writing
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@Titilay47006467 RT @t: Going to @xoxo to celebrate indie art & tech? Is your indie website ready? Make it tonight! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4Y31) (twitter.com/_/status/510182353051086850)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/509759463625355265/510182353051086850 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@lksugarman Hacker breaches https://www.healthcare.gov/ website http://bat.ly/ck5TQ Did you see this? #OwnYourData #PersonalHealthCloud (twitter.com/_/status/510182520042696704)
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@PersHealthCloud Hacker breaches https://www.healthcare.gov/ website http://bat.ly/GqaPc Did you see this? #OwnYourData #PersonalHealthCloud (twitter.com/_/status/510182524232810496)
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KevinMarks well, you could just post blogposts
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KevinMarks but it being more tumblery is part of it
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kylewm KevinMarks: just i think sometimes people look at it, as a programmer, and think yeah we did that in 2008 or whatever. and ignore the UX and what it does by default
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kylewm sorta like looking at Dropbox and saying, yeah we already have rsync
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kylewm not sure if that makes any sense
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rascul uses rsync
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Loqi rascul: gRegor` left you a message on 9/10 at 10:24pm: Think I've got that regex working for relative URLs. Lookaround fun. #(?<=href=("|')|href=)(?!http)[^"']+(?=("|'|>))#U
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rascul !tell gRegor` good you got it working, the lookaround stuff i have yet to learn
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks right there's no shortage of blogging systems - every framework builds one as a demo
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GWG Good afternoon
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snarfed hey GWG
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GWG Hi, snarfed.
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GWG How are things?
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GWG What's new in development land, as anything not development related would be in another chat room?
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snarfed to start, http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2014-09-10.html and http://stream.withknown.com/2014/great-known-coverage-by-mathewi-in-gigaom-this-morning-20140911indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content
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snarfed GWG: ooh also https://snarfed.org/indie-stats . feedback is welcome!
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GWG snarfed: The known thing inspired me to try and fix a problem
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snarfed great!
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GWG snarfed: Except I can't figure out why it won't work
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GWG I asked petermolnar, but he didn't know. I need to ask pfefferle
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GWG snarfed: Unless you want to try
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snarfed GWG: if it's wp-specific, probably not. i'm much more a wp user than developer :P
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GWG snarfed: It is trying to hook into one of the filters in the wordpress webmention plugin
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GWG He wrote the thing. If he can't tell me what I'm doing wrong...
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GWG But I know he's been busy lately.
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GWG snarfed: In the interim, back to a new...sort of project with Bridgy
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snarfed GWG: syndication urls?
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GWG snarfed: Been reading the IRC logs then?
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snarfed :P
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GWG I had syndication postmeta in with the Facepile code. The same plugin also had the webaction code
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GWG The webaction code is going to move to the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin because that will facilitate the reply functionality demonstrated at IWC UK
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GWG The syndication link code is going into its own plugin with the Bridgy Publish stuff I've had on the back burner
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GWG And the Facepile will stay by itself
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snarfed ok!
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GWG snarfed: Do people who program more regularly do this?
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snarfed break things up into modules?
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GWG Rearrange their project pieces?
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GWG snarfed: Okay, let's say modules
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snarfed yeah, within reason
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snarfed you want enough structure but not too much
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GWG I just think I made bad decisions the first time around
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GWG And since no one has adopted the Semantic Comments plugin that I know of.
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GWG acegiak is the only one using the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin other than me, and it is gaining, not losing...
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GWG And no one could have been using a new plugin that wasn't there before...
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GWG I'm only driving myself crazy
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snarfed :P
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snarfed often it's a lot easier to figure out the right structure and breakdown *after* you've implemented the functionality, not before
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snarfed don't try to predict the future too much
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GWG I think...or I hope this is the last time
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snarfed GWG: on an unrelated note, any thoughts on https://snarfed.org/indie-stats ?
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GWG snarfed: I was looking at that
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GWG What would you do with the data/
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snarfed exactly what i describe on that page
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snarfed use it to make design and priority decisions
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snarfed hopefully people like you could do the same
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GWG I'm wondering what decisions you are looking to make though. But I see your point about it
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snarfed understood. thanks!
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bret snarfed++ on indie stats! reminds me of babelmark
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bret really good idea
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aaronpk i really wanna make a crawler now
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snarfed do it aaronpk!!!
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snarfed (thanks bret!)
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aaronpk i've never done that before, sounds hard
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bret can you just call a parse function on all the links you find?
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bret :p
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aaronpk i mean I already havea lot of stuff on my server from all the posts I reply to and all the comments
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snarfed sure! i worry about selection bias, since it would way overweight replies and posts that motivate comments, but it'd be a good start
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aaronpk well yeah. i just mean i've already got a lot of the required code because i'm already doing that
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kylewm wasn't shrewdness going to be a crawler?
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kylewm checks https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/README.md
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GWG How about indie-sitemap?
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GWG Instead of crawl, self-participation?
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@lucas_gonze Met @Johannes_Ernst in person for the first time at @indiewebcamp meetup last night. Last meetup, same situation but @michaelverdi. Pattern. (twitter.com/_/status/510199998970359808)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @lucas_gonze: Met @Johannes_Ernst in person for the first time at @indiewebcamp meetup last night. Last meetup, same situation but @mich… (twitter.com/_/status/510200197478350848)
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snarfed GWG: interesting! i'd hate to sit on my hands and pray for adoption though, esp when crawling and parsing are straightforward
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GWG snarfed: I know. Just sounds more participatory.
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GWG Doesn't Indiestats sound like a participatory thing?
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GWG Maybe a indie.txt file?
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bret i think calling for the creation of new random text files is out of style
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bret eg humans.txt was a web faux pas
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snarfed heh, true
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snarfed wellknownurls--
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Loqi wellknownurls has -1 karma
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bret and anything that is going to take that approach should at least reside .well-known
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bret or is it .wellknown
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bret i forget
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snarfed also, most people in research and public policy would say self-reporting is the wrong way to do surveys like this
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kylewm bret++ haha
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snarfed you need standard methodology across everyone in the population you're studying
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kylewm snarfed: doesn't irc-people have the same selection bias?
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snarfed kylewm: yup! definitely. that's arguably the biggest flaw in the proposal
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bret publishing html onto the internet should be indication that you are willing to participate. otherwise specify in your robots header/robots.txt
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GWG I'm not saying anything other than community community community
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snarfed lol, GWG has a hammer! :P
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GWG How about snarfed sends a webmention....?
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GWG When he's crawling
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snarfed just as a heads up? sure, i can send webmentions far and wide
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snarfed kylewm: beyond IRC_People, i'd love to steal the list of all domains that ever attempted to log into indieauth from aaronpk
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snarfed also open to better ideas
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kylewm ah yes, that's where I went too... didn't know it was a secret list :)
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bret heh, I peeked at the list... sadly a few of those domains are going to be me mispelling my own domain ;)
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snarfed bret: should be fine, i'll obviously de-dupe
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bret one of the benefits of going to pdx hwc
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@techlifeweb Once you “get” webmentions and see federated comments, you start wish all sites had it. #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/social/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/510206504260337664)
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GWG snarfed: Far and wide sounds not so good
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GWG How about near and far?
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snarfed GWG: lol. sure!
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@skry RT @superglaze: Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece … (twitter.com/_/status/510209309347561472)
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@erinjo RT @superglaze: Very interesting new indieweb social/blogging platform called Known - might give this a try https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (piece … (twitter.com/_/status/510209393879965696)
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GWG I'm wondering, oddly, even though I have 4 projects in various states, what my site needs to be better
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bret happy for ben and erin. they made it to twig and gigaom! nice
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@withknown RT @Digidave: "Gigaom: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content" https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/510209726815404032)
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GWG bret: What about for the movement? It validates the dream too
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bret yeah its crazy! like in almost 1 year ben goes from posting chickens to his website to founding a new company
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bret its incredibly validating
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GWG To dream the impossible dream.
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GWG Now I'll have that stuck in my head.
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bret heh :)
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GWG Oddly enough, I have a cache of musical lyrics in my head
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@woodynash Checking out the Known indieweb blogging platform... (twitter.com/_/status/510211286659907584)
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GWG Anyway...I now have shorturls again
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GWG What do I do with them again?
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@tobobo Yay Known! The best blogging platform around - Gigaom https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @nuzzel by @mathewi thanks @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/510209879189909505)
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snarfed GWG: now that twitter wraps all links in t.co, it seems like the remaining use cases for short urls are more offline than online
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GWG snarfed: I felt the usual URL, which has my full name, can be a bit unwieldy.
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GWG di5.us seems shorter
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kylewm GWG: re "what my site needs to be better", post more and see what bugs you
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gRegor` kylewm++
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Loqi gRegor`: rascul left you a message 2 hours, 1 minute ago: good you got it working, the lookaround stuff i have yet to learn
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