#indiewebcamp 2014-09-04

2014-09-04 UTC
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KevinMarks_ hm, spelling variant: https://twitter.com/theboxfactory/status/507302085759492096
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@theboxfactory Nice piece on the #indyweb, posted here on my newly minted #indyweb presence. Link courtesy of @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/507302085759492096)
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rascul now it's indyweb? hrm
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pdurbin #indy500web
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rascul races on the web
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kylewm just a misspelling, not a variant :)
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KevinMarks_ #HoosierWeb
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rascul gets a new set of indieweb tires mounted
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gRegor` woo, Indiana!
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rascul #indieanaweb
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gRegor` Haha
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@kevinmarks #IndyWeb? We normally spell it #indieweb, Ian http://theboxfactoryhq.com/2014/nice-piece-on-the-indyweb-po ... https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/507321364991049728/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/507321364991049728)
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npdoty aaronpk, yeah, IRC login events don't always mean much any more
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gRegor` !tell snarfed Hm, another 401 Unauthorized to a public twitter account. I disabled and re-enabled publishing yesterday. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409796845&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA5LzAzLzEvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgIDkkQoM
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks @polotek the point of the indieweb irc channel is that there's usually someone there when you have an urgent question. (twitter.com/_/status/507360200223772672)
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snarfed @gRegor`: sorry for the 401(s)
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Loqi snarfed: gRegor` left you a message 47 minutes ago: Hm, another 401 Unauthorized to a public twitter account. I disabled and re-enabled publishing yesterday. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1409796845&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE0LzA5LzAzLzEvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgIDkkQoM
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snarfed gRegor`: twitter publish is working for other people, so i'm not sure what's going on. i'll keep looking
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gRegor` Ok. Let me know if you want me to run some tests / try something differently
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snarfed gRegor`: sure! the next more aggressive step is to de-auth bridgy inside twitter, on https://twitter.com/settings/applications , and then sign up again
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gRegor` My auto wm for twitter publishing earlier returned 400, could not find the twitter account for gregorlove.com
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gRegor` So then I logged in to try to publish via the form and got the 401.
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snarfed yeah i saw that too. odd.
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gRegor` Revoked from Twitter and signed in to bridgy again.
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snarfed gRegor`: thanks. disabled/reenabled publish too?
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gRegor` It still showed public capability, which I thought was odd. So I dis/re-enabled that before trying to post. No dice. :/
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gRegor` Can't find the twitter account for gregorlove.com
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snarfed grr
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gRegor` I should move those into <link rel>s
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Loqi yea
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gRegor` But haven't caused a problem yet
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snarfed gRegor`: sorry again for the trouble. i'll keep looking
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gRegor` Hm. Indieauth.com is also telling me my twitter link isn't found on my site.
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gRegor` Both are found when I re-scan, but after clicking the green twitter button: "https://twitter.com/gregorlove" was not found on the site "http://gregorlove.com". Try re-scanning after checking your rel=me links on your site.
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snarfed huh. looks like you did publish a tweet successfully via bridgy yesterday
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aaronpk gRegor`: might be a case sensitive thing
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aaronpk cause your site links to gRegorLove
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aaronpk that should be fixed on my site I think?
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gRegor` I'm going to try moving it to my <link rel>s and see if it matters.
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snarfed good guess. bridgy's domain lookup is case insensitive though
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snarfed (link preserves case but lookup ignores it)
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gRegor` That's weird. Can log in to indieauth if I change the twitter name to all lowercase
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aaronpk that is my fault
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gRegor` snarfed: Were you saying you determined it's not a case-sensitive issue for bridgy? Or should I try again now that I have it all lowercase?
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gRegor` Want me to file an issue, aaronpk?
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aaronpk sure!
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snarfed gRegor`: case sensitivy isn't the bridgy issue, but i *think* the "can't find gregorlove.com" failure is transient, so yeah, please try again
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gRegor` Hey, hey!
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snarfed woot!
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gRegor` It worked
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Loqi :D
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snarfed now the question is, what was the root cause, and what fixed it
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snarfed sigh
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gRegor` On my end, the twitter link was moved into a <link rel> and made lowercase
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snarfed thanks! bridgy actually doesn't care about rel-me links though, so probably not that
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snarfed pls do retry your original replies that failed. the in-reply-to could still be the cause
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gRegor` Oh
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gRegor` Already manually cross posted them, but I'll let you know when I do an in-reply-to
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snarfed thx
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snarfed and thanks for helping debug!
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gRegor` Welcome
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kylewm can anyone tell me if I should worry about Varnish or X-Sendfile with Flask/nginx?
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kylewm two separate, unrelated things I haven't taken enough time to understand, wondering if I should
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aaronpk if you have nginx i wouldn't bother with varnish
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kylewm aaronpk: ok cool, thank you. I think I do need X-sendfile (actually X-Accel-Redirect) so that photos and stuff don't have to pipe through python
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aaronpk yeah varnish is like one level removed from nginx. basically anything varnish can do nginx can also do
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KevinMarks_ how fucked up did oracle manage to make installing java?
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KevinMarks_ http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/webnotes/install/mac/mac-jdk.html is the mac install page
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KevinMarks_ it links to https://www.oracle.com/technology/software/index.html in the header on the downloads link, which 404s
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kylewm KevinMarks_: I always download from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html
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KevinMarks_ I'm just trying to get this rails+elasticsearch app running locally so I can hack on the templates and it is a major pain in the arse
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neuro` Good morning.
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aaronpk here's a fun one https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/14948326918/
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KevinMarks_ did Nate Goldman add an RTL marker after his name?
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benwerd IndiePub plugin for Known now (finally) accepts images, tested as working with OwnYourGram
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Loqi benwerd: gRegor` left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: I'm getting a no_link_found when I send a webmention to you. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/02/2/
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benwerd And that's next on my list.
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kylewm benwerd++ that's awesome!
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Loqi benwerd has 32 karma
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/note/2014/09/04/1/redwind-https-indiewebcamp-com-red linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Red_Wind (webmention)
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@kyle_wm counted lines of code in redwind out of curiosity: https://kylewm.com/note/2014/09/04/1/redwind-https-indiewebcamp-com-red (twitter.com/_/status/507398259896098816)
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acegiak_ GWG: thinking about adding the "favourite" kind.
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acegiak_ cause it's definitely a thing that is different to bookmarks and likes to me
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acegiak_ a favourite is more a statement of alliegance and identity?
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benwerd !tell gRegor` Getting an error when fetching your content for webmention. Headers already sent in your globalfunctions library. Happy to email full details.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@benwerd RT @kyle_wm: Hey @SandstormIO, it's already been nominated but I'm another vote for the incredible @withknown #indieweb platform http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/507406563879833600)
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@iankennedy Nice nod to the #indieweb by @mathewi http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/507410720971960320)
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Tantek_ Greetings from Heathrow!
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aaronpk greetings!
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benwerd Greetings! Good flight?
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Tantek_ Yes! Smooth flight. Plenty of time to review a long list of things I want to blog and/or code and/or design. Not necessarily in that order. ;)
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Tantek_ Benwerd did you have a chance to post that indie event & FB copy for HWC 2014-09-10?
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benwerd Good reminder
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benwerd I'm in the process of taking my webmention (and thus RSVP) handling to bits but will post before I shut down
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Tantek_ Maybe we can get some new folks from the gigaom article if we act quickly
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Tantek_ And take advantage of the tweet/meme momentum spike
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Tantek_ Ooh yes definitely post first!
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Tantek_ Maybe even post the next two? 09-10 and 09-24?
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Tantek_ Assume I can get MozSF for those - even if I haven't has the chance to update the wiki yet
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-september-10-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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benwerd !tell tantek event is up
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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benwerd !tell kylewm I fixed that epic webmention bug. Thanks for continuing to try to post to my site ;) It'll work now! Solved a duplicate posting bug in the same breath.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd That was an unexpectedly epic fix.
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benwerd Goodnight indiewebcamp!
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Loqi gute nacht!
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@mdvfunes @IndieWebCampUK details for attending online? Near Brighton and very interested but unable to attend for health reasons. (twitter.com/_/status/507425520469155840)
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tantek_ Thanks benwerd!
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Loqi tantek_: benwerd left you a message 9 minutes ago: event is up
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aaronpk new blog post written out of complete frustration at all existing docs I found online http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/09/03/1/custom-json-503-error-page-nginx-http-content-type-headers
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tantek aaronpk, I have often found that web server software docs are too complicated
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tantek whether apache or nginx
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tantek they all seem to assume you need to know ALL the nitty gritty details of every possible edge case
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tantek instead of providing a simple answer/example up front and then expanding
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aaronpk not even talking about docs, I was only looking at stackoverflow or blog answers
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aaronpk I just naturally assumed the docs would be too complicated :/
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aaronpk every example I found failed to address one of the three goals I was looking for
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aaronpk (http headers, content type, and json body)
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@sammachin @aaronpk ... http: error: SSLError: hostname 'http://t.co/ANWZOCvsWb' doesn't match either of 'mail . indieweb . org', 'indieweb . org’” (twitter.com/_/status/507434944306892800)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/04/3/bottom linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta#bottom (webmention)
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aaronpk sammachin: hey!
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sammachin lo
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sammachin so trying to implemet indieauth for my webrtc calling stuff
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aaronpk sweet
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sammachin I'm not quite clear on the format for posting the data to /auth to verify the code, is it form encoded?
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aaronpk yep
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sammachin example request http://requestb.in/14iy5771?inspect
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aaronpk should be pretty well documented here https://indieauth.com/developers
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sammachin also do the codes expire and if so how long?
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sammachin trying to do it step by step for now
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aaronpk the codes do expire, I believe after 30 or 60 seconds
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sammachin ah that could be why I'm failing then!
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sammachin gets new code
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aaronpk hm wait a sec, I always forget how I did this
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aaronpk yes, 60 seconds
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/blob/master/controllers/api.rb#L82
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sammachin also in the callback I get a me= param, I assume thats what the user entered as their domain but is unverified?
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aaronpk correct
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aaronpk it's so that you can (re)discover their auth endpoint if they delegated to one and verify at that auth server
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aaronpk (part of letting people delegate to auth servers of their choosing instead of everyone defaulting to indieauth.com)
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sammachin right
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sammachin working now :D
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sammachin right onto the hard bit of putting this together with the webrtc stuff
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sammachin hopefully with have something to demo on saturday
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aaronpk awesome!
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ShaneHudson Does anyone know why the fragmention script uses a fragmention attribute instead of adding it as a class?
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ShaneHudson Playing around with hovers similar to A List Apart for fragmentions, works quite well for explaining the highlight and could possibly be used to link to explaination of fragmention
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ShaneHudson (essentially psuedo element positioned in the left margin that shows on hover of the highlighted text)
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Loqi [mention] http://marcoraaphorst.nl/34652/indie-web-eigenaar-jouw-data/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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acegiak is there an issue with bridgy?
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acegiak im suddenly getting heaps of webmentions for my posse tweets
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@acegiak @schnarfed, so apparently bridgy is sending webmentions to a whole bunch of random posts - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/04/4669/ (twitter.com/_/status/507515304679702528)
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@glennjones Nice few hours hacking on geofence work for #indieweb checkins ideas for this weekends indiewebcamp in brighton (twitter.com/_/status/507522813755146240)
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GWG petermolnar: You around?
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petermolnar yep
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petermolnar GWG: I'm here
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GWG petermolnar: I'm still trying to figure out how to squeeze some more speed out of my Wordpress install
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GWG Or it could be my Nginx install
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GWG It seems like something is slowing it down presenting my page
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ben_thatmustbeme is it ttfb thats slow?
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GWG ttfb?
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ben_thatmustbeme time to first byte
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ben_thatmustbeme webpagetest.org can help you nail some of that down
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ben_thatmustbeme firebugs network console can help too, but i find that site helps a bit more
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petermolnar GWG: how far have you went in optimization? persistent object cache, mysql optimizations, etc?
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GWG Object cache, check. MySQL...I'm convinced I could do better there
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GWG Odd
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG url?
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GWG http://david.shanske.com
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GWG First view, 7426ms, repeat 849ms
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ben_thatmustbeme not that odd, everything is cached from there on out
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ben_thatmustbeme the page loads fast for me, but i'm probably hitting cached everything
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GWG But, when I first load it, the time till it presents the page seems long. Trying to troubleshoot
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, yeah first byte time isn't great, but most of the time taken to load in just your images
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, yeah, ssl is going to slow things down a little too, always will.
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petermolnar oh, I've been bitten by that as well
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petermolnar I mean WordPress, first time load for first connect
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petermolnar and it did not matter if it was cache or not
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GWG I was wondering about the SSL
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GWG Because I put that in for the Indieweb ranking
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petermolnar one that made things much faster for me was to put the mysql tmp dir into /dev/shm, but you need tonnes of RAM for that
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, SSL negotiation is only adding 1/4 of a second though
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GWG Yes, but the site caches the full page output for 15-30 minutes. I suppose I could up that.
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petermolnar nginx ssl cipher list for me, it might help: ssl_ciphers DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA:AES128-SHA:DES-CBC3-SHA:!LOW:!MEDIUM:!RC2:!SEED:!MD5:!aNULL:!EDH:!RC4:!eNULL:!EXP:!ADH;
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petermolnar also, enable SPDY, that might also help, since both FF & Chrome benefit from it
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ben_thatmustbeme i cache for about an hour any sql queries
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GWG petermolnar: SPDY is on
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GWG Or should be
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GWG Oh, wait...I turned SPDY off as it somehow broke CSS
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petermolnar stupid me, I moved from Chrome a week ago and was expecting the small green indicator I had there, it's small grey now :)
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GWG I still can't figure that out
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GWG I meant to research that
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ben_thatmustbeme http://spdycheck.org/#david.shanske.com
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GWG Anyone know why it would not load some of the CSS files when I turn it on?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I turned it back on
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GWG And the site renders strangely
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petermolnar could you please be a bit more specific on renders strangely? :)
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GWG The CSS isn't coming
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petermolnar it does for me
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kylewm good morning!
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GWG Morning, kylewm
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Loqi kylewm: benwerd left you a message 7 hours, 36 minutes ago: I fixed that epic webmention bug. Thanks for continuing to try to post to my site ;) It'll work now! Solved a duplicate posting bug in the same breath.
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kylewm !tell benwerd yay, my bad jokes thank you! is there something different about the way my site was sending wm's?
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snarfed acegiak: hey, saw your tweet. sorry for the trouble! https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/507515304679702528
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GWG petermolnar: Only when logged in, oddly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@acegiak @schnarfed, so apparently bridgy is sending webmentions to a whole bunch of random posts - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/04/4669/ (twitter.com/_/status/507515304679702528)
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petermolnar are you serving it from https as well, when you're logged in?
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snarfed acegiak: i'm not seeing the problem you describe on https://www.brid.gy/twitter/acegiak . is it from a different account? do you have an example link?
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acegiak snarfed: http://acegiak.net/?p=4676
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acegiak ive got fifteen. some on asides sone on pages
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snarfed acegiak: got it. looks like those are coming from your own site. is there something specific that makes you think they're coming from bridgy?
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snarfed acegiak: (i believe pfefferle's wm plugin does send self-mentions)
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acegiak oh right.
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acegiak hmm
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/507265495762878464/1738031 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions (webmention)
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acegiak snarfed: oh no i guess not
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acegiak its just that the last one i got from bridgy was weird : http://acegiak.net/?p=4677
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acegiak and then i got all those internal ones and got confused
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kylewm hey cool, http://theindieweb.com/ is still going strong
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snarfed acegiak: aha. yeah, bridgy now sends mentions for some responses when it thinks the original tweet wasn't a POSSE but e.g. someone else linking to your site
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acegiak ah ok cool
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snarfed details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/154
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acegiak that would be causei deleted the post dobbybot was responding to befkre
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acegiak before he responded
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acegiak so my javascript keeps crashing? my chrome window? window ju
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acegiak st goes blank along with contents of develdeveloper tools
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acegiak anyone know how to debug it?
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acegiak pretty sure it's to do with something im pulling in through my ajax request
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Loqi [mention] http://evilgeniuschronicles.org/2014/09/04/posse-test/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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tantek.com created /shrewdness (+24) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (-22) "/* Participants */ capacity 60, current count 27 - almost half full!" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu yo Loqi!
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ben_thatmustbeme yolo...qi
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: re: fragmention attribute. JonathanNeal's reasoning was that it better emulates how browsers might natively do it
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: if you
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KartikPrabhu s/if you/if you're using hover for showing fragmention link, how are you falling back on hover-less devices?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: ShaneHudson: if you're using hover for showing fragmention link, how are you falling back on hover-less devices?
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ShaneHudson Good point, currently I've not got a link.. it is just meant to be helpful. Maybe a focus or click handler might be needed.
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ShaneHudson Makes sense that browsers would natively use attributes
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh yeah, I was wondering about that myself. It does make sense as a browser natively shouldn't add a class, but an attribute, would make sense
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ben_thatmustbeme The more I have tried to mess with fragmentions in the format of From ... To to get a specific block of text, the more I see that its just not really reasonable
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@benwerd Some @withknown #indieweb tech changes that landed last night: better webmentions handling, and full micropub support for single-user sites. (twitter.com/_/status/507559847324172288)
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: do you disable responses to posts after a while?
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KartikPrabhu trying to send a webmention from here: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/shanehudson-real-life
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ShaneHudson KartikPrabhu: Odd, I only disable comments not webmentions. Normally it would go into moderation. But I'm very close to rolling out my new website anyway (just need to import comments into it)
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: aah sure. I got a "pings are disabled" 500 error. I'mm changing that to a reply anyway :)
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ShaneHudson By new, I mean same website but using craft instead of wordpress and built a little less slap-and-dash/hacky :)
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@jkphl Moved to another lovely part of #Brighton. Now for some "home office" & relaxing before @dconstruct & @IndieWebCampUK https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/507560791986675712/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/507560791986675712)
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: here is the modified reply to a fragmention :P https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/shanehudson-real-life feel free to let me know if/when you have your new site up and I can ping it
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ShaneHudson :D I look forward to it! I have a live version up at http://www.shanehudson.co.uk/shanehudson.new/ but not finished and obviously URLs will not stay there
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/article/2014/09/04/1/using-x-accel-redirect-to-improve-image-loading-in-red-wind linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/article/2014/09/04/1/using-x-accel-redirect-to-improve-image-loading-in-red-wind linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/sparkline (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/article/2014/09/04/1/using-x-accel-redirect-to-improve-image-loading-in-red-wind linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Shrewdness (webmention)
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@RDBinns Sadly missing UK @indiewebcamp camp this year. Many decentralised tools now at a usability tipping point. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (twitter.com/_/status/507566605719846913)
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/banter/2014/09/04/events2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club-indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club#RSVP (pingback)
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@Johannes_Ernst I RSVP'd for Homebrew Computer Club next Wednesday in SF. #indieweb http://t.co/pIGCKnfgsS... http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=526 (twitter.com/_/status/507568120496947201)
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@hadleybeeman Hello Brighton! Lovely to see you again. I'm looking forward to #dConstruct tomorrow and #indiewebcampUK this weekend. (twitter.com/_/status/507568309227618304)
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@danlyke @Johannes_Ernst still seeing location TBD on http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club but thinking I should go. Is that the RSVP place? (twitter.com/_/status/507568987584991233)
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@Johannes_Ernst @danlyke You are one ahead. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club is next week. (twitter.com/_/status/507569455610605568)
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@JosephRooks @dloehr Unless you're talking about relevance to the people building whatever replaces Twitter. (cc: #indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/507572030032846848)
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@dloehr RT @JosephRooks: @dloehr Unless you're talking about relevance to the people building whatever replaces Twitter. (cc: #indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/507572072181030912)
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@fth_nix RT @RDBinns: Sadly missing UK @indiewebcamp camp this year. Many decentralised tools now at a usability tipping point. http://t.co/VNCqcFDd… (twitter.com/_/status/507573914898153473)
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@aaronpk @danlyke Hey! Noticed you have a PGP key on your home page! Check out the setup instructions for using that with https://indieauth.com/gpg (twitter.com/_/status/507574535529320448)
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@icco RT @IndieWebCampUK: Have or want a personal site? RSVP for IndieWebCampUK 2014: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List Can also use: http://lanyrd.com/2014/indiewebcampuk/ (twitter.com/_/status/507582029622300673)
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icco The thing I still need to decide for this weekend is whether to get a hotel Saturday night in Brighton or just take the train back to London.
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benwerdweb aaronpk: just wanted to say, ownyourgram is ace. Didn't expect posting to be so fast!
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aaronpk oh nice!!
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aaronpk you hooked up your instagram account to ownyourgram?
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benwerdweb yes
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aaronpk hooray!
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benwerdweb and then ownyourgram to werd.io
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@thierrymarianne Let us decentralize the web (a bit) this evening at #MozillaParis #ownYourData http://doku.php (twitter.com/_/status/507583436715229184)
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aaronpk awesome, glad that worked!!
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ben_thatmustbeme attempting to posse to twitter for the first time....
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone know how long bridgy usually take to process a webmention for that?
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KevinMarks__ Site death or site murder? http://blog.twitpic.com/2014/09/twitpic-is-shutting-down/
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: it's immediate. check your user page to see what happened?
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snarfed looking: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/dissolve333#publishes
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snarfed sigh, another 401 similar to gRegor`'s. sorry for the trouble, ben_thatmustbeme. if you go to http://twitter.com/settings/applications , de-auth bridgy, then sign up for bridgy again and disable/re-enable publish, it should work
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gRegor` unless it doesn't. ;)
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Loqi gRegor`: benwerd left you a message 11 hours, 49 minutes ago: Getting an error when fetching your content for webmention. Headers already sent in your globalfunctions library. Happy to email full details.
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gRegor` D'oh
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, got the same issue again... interestingly from within twitter i see 'Permissions: read-only'
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: yeah, i saw. that's why i mentioned you need to disable/re-enable bridgy publish after revoking inside twitter. try that? it's on your bridgy user page: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/dissolve333
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snarfed apologies again for the trouble
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, i missed that step. sorry
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ben_thatmustbeme i revoked the auth from twitter, but didn't deisable/re-enable publishing
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ben_thatmustbeme yay!
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Loqi :D
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ben_thatmustbeme need a shorter URL though, heh :P
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snarfed yay!
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Loqi giggles
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: alternatively omit the link from your tweet entirely. bridgy includes the tweet url in its webmention response, so you can stick it in a u-syndication link on your site
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/about#omit-link
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, that would involve some hacking on MentionClient.php which i may get to
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ben_thatmustbeme to be clear. I'm using https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php. Doesn't have that in there, but I'm sure I could easily hack that bit in.
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aaronpk ah yeah, right now that only returns true/false as the result of sending a webmention
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/27301982/372303256256372/27301982 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/27301982/372303256256372/506306793 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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KevinMarks__ Can markdown fans explain this standard markdown thing for me?
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aaronpk seems like someone finally sitting down to write a proper spec for it
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aaronpk markdown was always kind of ad-hoc, and has had several variants over time
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@tedder42 @RachelShadoan there's always Amber Case's indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/507592082597240833)
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kylewm and @gruber takes issue with the implication that someone else is taking over markdown (Standard Markdown implies The One True Markdown a lot more than Github-Flavored Markdown or MultiMarkdown)
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@LongHandPixels Too bad #indieweb tools aren’t quite mainstream enough to offer a real alternative to twitter. This might be the moment to seize... (twitter.com/_/status/507592397912436736)
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@ubax Shutdown of services like #Twitpic should be a constant reminder for us to always own & host our content by ourselves. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507593527853727745)
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@ubax RT @LongHandPixels: Too bad #indieweb tools aren’t quite mainstream enough to offer a real alternative to twitter. This might be the moment… (twitter.com/_/status/507594311542644736)
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@benwerd Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507594936925974529)
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KartikPrabhu "These appear to be among Twitter’s priorities to make its service more relevant and easier to use, an issue that has plagued the company ever since its IPO last year." from http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/03/twitters-product-checklist-better-search-and-group-chats/
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@gRegorLove RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507595276840755201)
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KartikPrabhu didn;t know that Twitter had a ease of use problem
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@benwerd @LongHandPixels We're doing our best with @withknown. Publishing first, but then ... #watchthisspace #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507595341164597249)
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benwerd KartikPrabhu: there are literally one hundred and forty characters that you have to decide what to do with
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Loqi benwerd: kylewm left you a message 3 hours, 40 minutes ago: yay, my bad jokes thank you! is there something different about the way my site was sending wm's?
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aaronpk lol
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KartikPrabhu benwerd: I'm not a fan of 140 char limit but wasn't that supposed to be a feature
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KartikPrabhu I heard/read so many things that 140 char limit made it easier
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@LongHandPixels RT @benwerd: @LongHandPixels We're doing our best with @withknown. Publishing first, but then ... #watchthisspace #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507595806178684929)
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benwerd KartikPrabhu: but isn't selling access to your complete social graph _more_ of a feature ...?
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KartikPrabhu benwerd: doh! missed the sarcasm the first time around ;)
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benwerd KartikPrabhu: heh, apologies. With me, assume sarcasm first ;) It's a crutch ;)
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aaronpk benwerd++ for an excellent use of "literally"
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Loqi benwerd has 33 karma
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benwerd In all seriousness I think the problem is that Twitter is "only" worth ~$40bn and Facebook is $200bn
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benwerd They may see Facebook's co-opting of the graph as a way to capture more value
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KartikPrabhu <sigh>
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KartikPrabhu maybe next Twitter should launch little nano-bots in the air to "provide" free internet to Africa
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sparverius #quitpic on efnet for the archiveteam effort to save twitpic
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benwerd I'm still waiting for the nanobots that politely knock on my bedroom window to offer me coffee and a croissant each morning. Whoever cracks that nut is going to be rich
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aaronpk it looks like most of the cloudfront links for twitpic are already broken
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benwerd Here's a true Twitpic story:
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benwerd Erinjo's mother's cat just died
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benwerd Guess where all of the photos of her were?
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KartikPrabhu <shakes head>
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benwerd So literally the site coming down has removed all trace of the photos of her beloved pet
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@AnAxiom RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507596818255855617)
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KartikPrabhu did twitpic just die without warning?
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benwerd Her Twitter stream is now just a stream of empty boxes
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KartikPrabhu any link?
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benwerd It's a lawsuit from Twitter, because of the name (I think)
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@ShaneHudson RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507597048518955010)
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aaronpk it seems extreme to just shut it down so suddenly
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@timweston RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507597176399069186)
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sparverius wait, did they kill all the photos on purpose?
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sparverius since most but not all of the profile pics are down too
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ShaneHudson sparverius: I'm not seeing that
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@brennannovak @anildash @quinnnorton I will definitely stop using Twitter, except for POSSE'ing. Much of the #indieweb projects are ready enough! (twitter.com/_/status/507598870851756033)
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@JRDSkinner Twitter news has me thinking on a video, linked by @WarrenEllis, regarding "indieweb." A simple notion, mostly: https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/507598989386985473)
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@quinnnorton RT @brennannovak: @anildash @quinnnorton I will definitely stop using Twitter, except for POSSE'ing. Much of the #indieweb projects are rea… (twitter.com/_/status/507599274566090752)
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bnvk sup sup
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Loqi bnvk: aaronpk left you a message on 8/14 at 1:02pm: I got an error after downloading mailpile.dmg, says "no mountable filesystems" are in the image
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Loqi bnvk: gRegor` left you a message on 8/14 at 1:08pm: Just watched your ind.ie summit talk. Great job. http://vimeo.com/103353277
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gRegor` That confused me. I read it backwards and was like "I didn't give a talk..."
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gRegor` drinks more coffee
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bnvk sheesh have I not been here since Aug 14th, yikes
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bnvk gRegor`: thanks, glad ya liked my ind.ie talk :)
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gRegor` Welcome back
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bnvk hehe
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kylewm benwerd: hey super curious, was it this commit that affected my posts? https://github.com/idno/idno/commit/8a548fce41fd4d481d2e1ce56207a7d7c203e789
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benwerd kylewm: yep, that's the one.
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bnvk aaronpk: yah, we had a lot of bugs, thus our beta got pushed till Sept 13th... if you're still up for testing, grab one of our hourly builds https://www.mailpile.is/files/snapshots/
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benwerd We saved everything, but to the wrong object.
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bnvk also, that goes to anyone else in the room curious about Mailpile and wanna help beta test our Mac or Win installers, gemme em here https://www.mailpile.is/files/snapshots/ :)
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benwerd Nice!
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benwerd (While we're talking beta release dates: Known is September 11. Yes, really.)
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benwerd grabbing Mailpile installer now
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@georgekroner RT @benwerd: Farewell, #twitpic. Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507602878463098880)
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@ShaneHudson @entrepreneur Yeah we all have. I'm not a fan of them closing down services though, especially as a developer. See: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/507602941306339328)
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benwerd bnvk: Installed app opened a terminal window and then closed down. Any prerequisites I should know about?
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bnvk benwerd: yah, the terminal window is known about
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bnvk it's not ideal, but, Beta...
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bnvk what do you mean prerequisites?
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benwerd no, that's fine - but it didn't do anything after the terminal
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bnvk oh, it didn't launch a browser window?
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benwerd any technology platform stuff I should have installed?
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benwerd no
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bnvk mmm... that's not good
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bnvk Mac OS?
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bnvk which version?
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benwerd 10.9.4
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bnvk default browser is Chrome?
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ShaneHudson Same here
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bnvk do you see the Mailpile icon in your toolbar?
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ShaneHudson Nope, just terminal icon
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benwerd Default is Firefox for me
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ShaneHudson Chrome here
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bnvk an neither of you got browser windows
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bnvk can you paste me the CLI printout?
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bnvk in a gist or something?
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ShaneHudson It dissapears far too quickly, is there a way to stop that?
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bnvk the terminal?
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bnvk isn't it just minimized?
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ShaneHudson Yup. It opens, minimizing then dissapears. With the terminal app still running but empty shell
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bnvk ah ok
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bnvk I'm not sure of how to make it not disappear as it's bundeled into the package
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bnvk bundled, rather
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KevinMarks_ twitpic said the photos were exportable
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KevinMarks_ ah, or rather will be
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ShaneHudson Ah that's good then
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bnvk ShaneHudson: benwerd: thanks, I hadn't been testing the package myself as I've been in dev env- thanks for reporting, will fix :/
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KevinMarks_ hm, looks like shrewdness's elastic search instance went down
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bnvk benwerd: but, awesome to hear about Known, interesting release date... ;)
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benwerd bnvk: It's tied into Matter's demo day, which is that day - not *necessarily* the day I would have chosen.
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KevinMarks_ !tell barnabywalters looks's like shrewdness's elasticsearch instance died - getting port 9200 error
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gRegor` snarfed: Successfully published an in-reply-to tweet. Looks like everything is working properly again.
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ShaneHudson How come you wouldn't choose it? Of course I understand the significance of the date but it's not a national holiday is it? The only day I would avoid is April Fools!
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snarfed gRegor`: great! thanks again for the help. btw replying to private accounts probably works too; looks like the root cause was my twitter auth change instead
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gRegor` So the app had to refresh its permissions?
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bnvk ShaneHudson: mmm, I suppose I wouldn't choose it out of superstition or respect or dunno really. Maybe just because peoples minds are usually slightly on that topic on that day
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snarfed gRegor`: i changed the way i do twitter auth, which evidently invalidates write permissions for some older access tokens. :/ details: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/268#issuecomment-54530610
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ShaneHudson bnvk: Yeah that makes sense I suppose
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@n8fr8 "The closure also means that millions of older tweets with pictures will now break. " http://marketingland.com/twitpic-close-98740 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507610429204336640)
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bnvk ShaneHudson: I was 19 in NYC when it happened & was stranded there for a week, I have no problem flying on that day... flights are always cheaper!
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bnvk benwerd: cool, i'm going to be talking at a decentralized conf / camp in Berlin on the 17th / 18th, shall I do a demo of installing Known?
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@userslashone RT @EFF: Twitter's CFO says Facebook-style filtered feeds are coming. Here's why that's a bad idea: http://bit.ly/1rOMxfc #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507613760236711936)
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bnvk ooo http://standardmarkdown.com
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KartikPrabhu bnvk: yeah Gruber is apparently not pleased https://twitter.com/markdown
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/horse_markdown
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aaronpk I don't really understand the whole battle going on right now
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/507602125203849217
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@kevinmarks Another alternative name for the Markdown fork: "I can't believe it's not YAML" (twitter.com/_/status/507602125203849217)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/507592097692520449
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@kevinmarks Instead of "Standard Markdown" maybe @codinghorror et al should call it "Markdown for what?" (twitter.com/_/status/507592097692520449)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ : I'm confused. Is having a particular spec for markdown so that files compile uniformly bad?
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KartikPrabhu also note that one of the authors on the "Standard Markdown" page, John MacFarlane also wrote pandoc, which uses markdown to compile into a lot of different formats
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ShaneHudson It just annoys me Gruber has not been interested in standardisation at all.
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KartikPrabhu and he seems to dislike others doing it
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KevinMarks_ I'm having Atom flashbacks
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KartikPrabhu it is same situation RSS vs Atom, HTML vs XHTML situation
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bnvk oh noes
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KevinMarks_ I respect John, especially for http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/
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KevinMarks_ that's a nice empirical tool
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KartikPrabhu which might be waht prompted him to contribute to standardization
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@SavvyJackie Caution when using those free website hosts. You may not be able to take your site with you later. #wix http://www.wix.com/support/ugc/067577fd-a6f3-4706-a527-940540db2999/65d751fe-d7a5-4005-9a26-353f628ce501 #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/507617600990625792)
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KartikPrabhu there isn't any documentation of all the quirks of different markdown, even
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aaronpk it's getting to the point of wiki syntax
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KevinMarks_ hm, so this is trying to be a WHATWG for markdown?
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KartikPrabhu maybe
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KevinMarks_ personally I can never remember markdown syntax and would rather type HTML
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aaronpk I like * for lists and ## for headers
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aaronpk that's about all I use regularly
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ShaneHudson I use - for lists, maybe that only works in iA Writer
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ maybe you don't have to write and export to multiple formats
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@JosephRooks Love #indieweb's POSSE concept: Post on your own site, syndicate elsewhere. Makes sense— Need to make it easier to d… http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/507619163435982848)
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bnvk aaronpk: KevinMarks_: i'm the exact same way
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kylewm also any time Jeff Atwood is involved, there is a certain degree of just base level animosity toward him
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gRegor` MarkdownHorror
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@leonieke WordPress – IndieWebCamp | Link http://leonieke.eu/wordpress-indiewebcamp-link/32158?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=wordpress-indiewebcamp-link&utm_content=buffere1139&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #blogpost (twitter.com/_/status/507622918927314945)
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KartikPrabhu people should really get rid of the utm_crap while sharing links!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I think those always come from https://bufferapp.com/
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KartikPrabhu bleh
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KartikPrabhu more on standard markdown and motivations by @codinghorror: http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-flavored-markdown/
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gRegor` Buffer doesn't add those by default. You can set up GA if you want to be obnoxious, though. :)
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kylewm comment from davewiner http://discourse.codinghorror.com/t/standard-flavored-markdown/2382/19
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gRegor` So make YAMD?
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kylewm how about CorporateMarkdown
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aaronpk the BSD license makes this very clear
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aaronpk "Neither the name “Markdown” nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission."
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: does that include variants like "My Markdown" ?
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KartikPrabhu when Dave Winer says "we all use Markdown" which one does he mean?
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aaronpk presumably there can only be one thing called Markdown given that license
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aaronpk that's actually an interesting reason to use the BSD license for specs
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pdurbin hmm. Dave is probably right.
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KartikPrabhu pdurbin: about?
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pdurbin "come up with a new name" ... for jeff's markdown thing
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KartikPrabhu pdurbin: but they are standardizing markdown... is the suggestion that "use the same syntax as markdown but call it something else"?
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KartikPrabhu this whole mess stinks
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gRegor` use the same syntax but call it something new seems OK to me, if they're trying to make a standard.
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gRegor` And if they go the BSD license route like aaronpk said above... seems smart? :shrug:
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: that will not lead to any adoption what-so-ever
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gRegor` Why?
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KartikPrabhu "hey, you are using Markdown, here try this MarkSide thing we made"
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aaronpk i'm saying that the original markdown is BSD license, so technically nobody can call their variant Markdown
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gRegor` The syntax is appealing to people, not the name.
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KartikPrabhu <shrugs>
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gRegor` All it takes is people to build their own light saber with MarkX
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pdurbin I mean, I don't care if they stick with Standard Markdown as a name. But a new name might be nice.
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kylewm people use Maruku, kramdown, showdown
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KartikPrabhu but that is point this is trying to address
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KartikPrabhu there are a billion markdown forks
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KartikPrabhu no standard
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: oh i was addressing "that will not lead to any adoption what-so-ever"
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snarfed good (and short) post about standard markdown from greasemonkey's creator: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109132032588648589691/posts/6pCMzLZMu8i
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KartikPrabhu eh.. whatever. I was going to switch to Markdown-ish syntax for notes and other things (with pandoc for papers or something) but this has made me change my mind.
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gRegor` As long as whatever you pick works for you, shouldn't be a big problem, right? I mean, you're converting it to HTML, so consumers shouldn't care.
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: exactly! nice post
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: well what happens if I edit it in the future, will future parsers still work with my flavour of markdown?
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snarfed gRegor`: wholly contained usage like that is only one case. UGC sites like stack overflow, github, etc, are the one that matters more here
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++ also that
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 56 karma
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gRegor` Gotcha
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snarfed failed to relurk
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KartikPrabhu also converting to multiple formats like what Pandoc does. Markdown to HTML, Latex, PDF etc...
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KartikPrabhu no guarantee that any branch uses the same rules
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gRegor` Your lurk is showing
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@swatlibrary Heard of the #indieweb? An interesting post about Twitter, FB, and control of what you read and write: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ #ironictweet (twitter.com/_/status/507629773544124416)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: do you use HTML for notes now?
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pdurbin heh: Markdown on Twitter: “Standard Markdown” is neither. - https://twitter.com/markdown/status/507341395137658880
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@markdown “Standard Markdown” is neither. (twitter.com/_/status/507341395137658880)
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pdurbin snarfed: nice post. I'm listening to https://overcast.fm/podcasts/episode/344902019595#t=4527
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pdurbin John Gruber on Twitter: Me: It’s either going to peter out, or… I’m going to have to take a little more public and be like, “No, you cannot take the name Markdown.” - https://twitter.com/gruber/status/507591799884357632
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@gruber Me: It’s either going to peter out, or… I’m going to have to take a little more public and be like, “No, you cannot take the name Markdown.” (twitter.com/_/status/507591799884357632)
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KevinMarks Surprised winer didn't tell them to call it markdown 2.0
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aaronpk oo wordpress 4 is out http://codex.wordpress.org/Version_4.0
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kylewm pdurbin: lol at Glenn Beck offering to buy Markdown from Gruber
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aaronpk I believe this is the release that is supposed to have the new JSON API instead of the XMLRPC API
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snarfed aaronpk: so far that's been part of jetpack, not wp core
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snarfed you think they folded it into core in 4.0?
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aaronpk oh I think it's coming in 4.1 http://wptavern.com/json-rest-api-slated-for-wordpress-4-1-release
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snarfed ah thx
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aaronpk the apps are going to switch to it
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benatkin #markdowngate is the only gate so far where I have to choose between siding with Jeff Atwood or John Gruber
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benatkin it isn't fair. why do I have to pick a side?
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KevinMarks Reading the standard markdown site it looks like good empirical work
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KevinMarks The spec doubles as the test suite, which is nice
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benatkin agrees
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/Johannes_Ernst/507569455610605568/507570457470439424 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/Johannes_Ernst/507568120496947201/507568987584991233 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014 (webmention)
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rascul why do we need standard markdown? there's already a w3 group for markdown
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kylewm should we continue discussion of Markdown in #indiechat?
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kylewm ... he says, now that the conversation is basically over
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rascul oh
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KevinMarks_ I think markdown is relevant here
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KevinMarks_ a lot of us use it as part of posting
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kylewm ok!
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kylewm anyone curious about Sandstorm, I thought this interview was good ... http://www.centurylinklabs.com/interview-with-sandstorms-founder-about-the-personal-cloud-platform/
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kylewm I continue to be curious how they will maintain the ports of apps in parallel with the original app
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ShaneHudson I don't think I will ever get over how incredible the web apis are. Geolocation in practically a line of JS, really is incredible.
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benatkin I don't like how Gruber is claiming control, too ubiquitous for that IMO
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benatkin should just be proud he invented it
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ShaneHudson Yeah, he has had no interest in maintaing it
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benatkin just a bit less annoying than Textile in ways that mattered
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benatkin yeah
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benatkin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textile_(markup_language)
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ShaneHudson I just like how close markdown is to how I would format text on paper anyway, * for bold * etc
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ShaneHudson (I'm aware I could actually bold it with pen, but I never do!)
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@LifeHealthDiary RT @DutchRojas: Patients are looking for transparency. Are #physicians ready to be transparent? https://www.linkedin.com/slink?code=bJ75WE7 ^jg #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/507642097873485824)
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kylewm there is also tantek-flavored markdown: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/59905776/Markdown
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ShaneHudson Craft GeoFields plugin: https://github.com/ShaneHudson/GeoFields Not yet explicitly indieweb but that just requires adding the field to the content and putting microformats around the geo correctly. I may need to separate lat and lon, currently a single string
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ShaneHudson I had loads of lines trying to get it working, now just a few :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: right now my notes are plaintext. But I want some sort of way to insert things like images etc...
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Loqi gives KartikPrabhu some sort of way to insert things like images etc
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KartikPrabhu thanks Loq
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rascul i want pie
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ShaneHudson Loqi doesn't like you rascul
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rascul :(
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kylewm ShaneHudson: still enjoying working with Craft?
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ShaneHudson kylewm: Yeah! It is really nice. Reminds me of when Wordpress was small, you could easily chat to the lead devs (even Matt) and the community was really small but great. And everything felt like it was there for a reason.
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ShaneHudson Wordpress has grown into a CMS whereas Craft feels like it *is* a CMS, if that makes sense? I really am enjoying it
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kylewm neat, looking forward to seeing what you (continue to) do with it!
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ShaneHudson My biggest problem right now is figuring out how to import comments from Wordpress into Craft, keeping the relations to posts correct and separating out webmentions
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ShaneHudson Once I've done that, can more or less put it live properly :)
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snarfed ShaneHudson: i assume you're familiar with http://codex.wordpress.org/Tools_Export_Screen ? should include post id and commentmeta for comments
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ShaneHudson Yeah, it's just the way of storing them are quite different etc. Going to need to compare by slug instead of post id. Shouldn't be hard, just one of those tasks I've been putting further down the list lol
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ShaneHudson Basically, Craft doesn't have a built in comments system. So I've made an Interactions channel for comments and webmentions that is separate to posts. So now I need to relate the two together (one post to many interactions). Posts and Interactions are the top level content structures, with note/article and comment/webmention etc inheriting :)
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ShaneHudson Will add it all to the wiki once it is live
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gRegor` What is Craft?
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Loqi Craft is a commercial PHP/MySQL CMS, with hosted and self-hosted options http://indiewebcamp.com/Craft
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@kirilind Let's keep bringing up #indieweb in Paris #d14n meetups ;) @thierrymarianne @xtof_fr (twitter.com/_/status/507658606926630913)
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@JosephRooks Love #indieweb's POSSE concept: Post on your own site, syndicate elsewhere. Makes sense. Now needs to be easier. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/507658757741240321)
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bret hi again! got irc working again finally :p
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi giggles
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@kirilind another pro to change for #indieweb notes feed: upcomingTwitter death http://gigaom.com/2014/09/04/twitter-cfo-says-a-facebook-style-filtered-feed-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/ (twitter.com/_/status/507659629162422273)
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bret lol more peak silo
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gRegor` I called it a death knell earier, referring to that article
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bret benwerd, quick, pivot known to be an unfiltered twitter clone with POSSE and indieweb features and custom domains!
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GWG yawns
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+86) "/* URLs */ SF Indie event & FB POSSE copy" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* RSVP */ here too" (view diff)
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bret aaronpk are you able to host portland?
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aaronpk next week? yeah!
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bret eek it says mozpdx
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bret are we doing at there?
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bret or is that from a past event
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aaronpk check the history
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aaronpk I didn't think so?
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bret really wish there was a git blame view
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bret line by line name, commit :)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+20) "SF location confirmed for 09-24, update RSVP accordingly. MSP skipping this one, back in 2 weeks." (view diff)
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@thierrymarianne @kirilind @xtof_fr With great pleasure, we'll do! #indieweb #d14n (twitter.com/_/status/507666756622503936)
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bret anyone have experience using mailgun?
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aaronpk a little
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bret you like it? or prefere something else
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aaronpk it's fine, mostly neutral opinion
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@betalister The #14LCSfuture group is talking about taking back data. Reminds me of the rad #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ #14LCS (twitter.com/_/status/507670628426448896)
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@kmontenegro RT @betalister: The #14LCSfuture group is talking about taking back data. Reminds me of the rad #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ #14LCS (twitter.com/_/status/507673088931012608)
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@jgarber Hey, @adactio and everyone involved in @dconstruct tomorrow and @indiewebcamp this weekend: Hope it all goes well and wish I could be there! (twitter.com/_/status/507673422571118592)
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@tomasantonio100 RT @betalister: The #14LCSfuture group is talking about taking back data. Reminds me of the rad #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ #14LCS (twitter.com/_/status/507674294453678080)
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@theindieweb Just added "Click for Context" feature on the site. More updates in store. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507677888100204544)
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pdurbin kylewm: yeah that was unexpected